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date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:29:06 +0100,    group: uk.rec.cars.maintenance        back       
Installing power steering on 98 Fiesta   
Have a 1998 Ford Fiesta and wondered if anyone know if its a 
hard/long/exensive job to install power steering on it ?

appreciate any info
cheers
date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:29:06 +0100   author:   Newsdemon

Re: Installing power steering on 98 Fiesta   
"Newsdemon"  wrote in message 
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> Have a 1998 Ford Fiesta and wondered if anyone know if its a 
> hard/long/exensive job to install power steering on it ?

A fairly easy DIY job. Probably half a days work if you know what 
you are doing. I've done it on a Rover SD1 after being given all 
the parts, but is it really worth it unless you can find all the 
parts cheap at a breakers.
I'd guess it would cost over £300 if you fitted new parts. Rack, 
pump, hoses, pulleys, belts, brackets, etc. and maybe a modified 
or adapted steering column.
Probably cheaper to sell the car, and buy one that already has 
it.
Mike..
date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:57:47 +0100   author:   Mike G

Re: Installing power steering on 98 Fiesta   
"Mike G"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Newsdemon"  wrote in message 
> news:CGpDk.112141$RJ3.23194@newsfe10.ams2...
>> Have a 1998 Ford Fiesta and wondered if anyone know if its a 
>> hard/long/exensive job to install power steering on it ?
>
> A fairly easy DIY job. Probably half a days work if you know what you are 
> doing. I've done it on a Rover SD1 after being given all the parts, but is 
> it really worth it unless you can find all the parts cheap at a breakers.
> I'd guess it would cost over £300 if you fitted new parts. Rack, pump, 
> hoses, pulleys, belts, brackets, etc. and maybe a modified or adapted 
> steering column.
> Probably cheaper to sell the car, and buy one that already has it.
> Mike..
>
Cheers for the reply Mike, Fiesta only has 16,000 miles on it even though 
its 10 years old and only paid £750 for it so its a car we'd like to keep to 
be honest. Its the wifes car and shes getting on a bit now and getting this 
after having a power steering car.

I guess its a case of finding what parts id need,, i see power stearing 
racks and pumps on ebay pretty cheap either new or reconditioned. Will 
probably see what the local garage will charge for it as she'll be keeping 
the car for the next 5 years at least!
date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 15:16:12 +0100   author:   Newsdemon

Re: Installing power steering on 98 Fiesta   
"Newsdemon"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Mike G"  wrote in message 
> news:6k6ouhF6bqohU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> "Newsdemon"  wrote in message 
>> news:CGpDk.112141$RJ3.23194@newsfe10.ams2...
>>> Have a 1998 Ford Fiesta and wondered if anyone know if its a 
>>> hard/long/exensive job to install power steering on it ?
>>
>> A fairly easy DIY job. Probably half a days work if you know 
>> what you are doing. I've done it on a Rover SD1 after being 
>> given all the parts, but is it really worth it unless you can 
>> find all the parts cheap at a breakers.
>> I'd guess it would cost over £300 if you fitted new parts. 
>> Rack, pump, hoses, pulleys, belts, brackets, etc. and maybe a 
>> modified or adapted steering column.
>> Probably cheaper to sell the car, and buy one that already has 
>> it.
>> Mike..
>>
> Cheers for the reply Mike, Fiesta only has 16,000 miles on it 
> even though its 10 years old and only paid £750 for it so its a 
> car we'd like to keep to be honest. Its the wifes car and shes 
> getting on a bit now and getting this after having a power 
> steering car.
>
> I guess its a case of finding what parts id need,, i see power 
> stearing racks and pumps on ebay pretty cheap either new or 
> reconditioned.

Buying the bits one at a time would be right headache IMO.
There will be so many parts you'll need apart from the pump and 
rack.
Even if you buy a new or reconned pump and rack, and new hoses, 
which are the critical parts, your best bet is still to get all 
the rest you need from a donor car in a breakers.

Will
> probably see what the local garage will charge for it as she'll 
> be keeping the car for the next 5 years at least!

Probably an arm and a leg, compared to how much it would cost you 
to do it yourself. It's more tine consuming than difficult.
Mike.
date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 16:17:30 +0100   author:   Mike G

Re: Installing power steering on 98 Fiesta   
"Newsdemon"  gurgled happily, sounding much like they were
saying:

>>> Have a 1998 Ford Fiesta and wondered if anyone know if its a
>>> hard/long/exensive job to install power steering on it ?

>> A fairly easy DIY job. Probably half a days work if you know what you
>> are doing.

>> Probably cheaper to sell the car, and buy one that already has it.

> Cheers for the reply Mike, Fiesta only has 16,000 miles on it even
> though its 10 years old and only paid £750 for it so its a car we'd like
> to keep to be honest. Its the wifes car and shes getting on a bit now
> and getting this after having a power steering car.

Such a massively low mileage is utterly irrelevant. All it means is that 
the car's spent a LOT of time sat around doing sod all. One elderly 
owner, by any chance? Only used for shops & church? So it's spent all 
it's time being touch-parked at 5,000rpm with slipping clutch.

Seriously - flog this, and buy one with PAS.
date: 27 Sep 2008 18:51:18 GMT   author:   Adrian

Re: Installing power steering on 98 Fiesta   
Thus spake Adrian (toomany2cvs@gmail.com) unto the assembled multitudes:

>> Cheers for the reply Mike, Fiesta only has 16,000 miles on it even
>> though its 10 years old [...]

> Such a massively low mileage is utterly irrelevant. All it means is that 
> the car's spent a LOT of time sat around doing sod all. One elderly 
> owner, by any chance? Only used for shops & church? So it's spent all 
> it's time being touch-parked at 5,000rpm with slipping clutch.

And in that 16,000 miles and 10 years how often (if ever) did it get an oil
change?   Loads of short journeys, oil rarely gets hot, lots of moisture
forms in it to emulsify it and get into the bearings...  Don't wanna scare
you, mind...

-- 
                                 Andy Clews
                            University of Sussex
                 *** Remove DENTURES if replying by email ***
date: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 20:38:58 +0000 (UTC)   author:   unknown

Re: Installing power steering on 98 Fiesta   
A.Clews@DENTURESsussex.ac.uk wrote:
> Thus spake Adrian (toomany2cvs@gmail.com) unto the assembled multitudes:
> 
>>> Cheers for the reply Mike, Fiesta only has 16,000 miles on it even
>>> though its 10 years old [...]
> 
>> Such a massively low mileage is utterly irrelevant. All it means is that 
>> the car's spent a LOT of time sat around doing sod all. One elderly 
>> owner, by any chance? Only used for shops & church? So it's spent all 
>> it's time being touch-parked at 5,000rpm with slipping clutch.
> 
> And in that 16,000 miles and 10 years how often (if ever) did it get an oil
> change?   Loads of short journeys, oil rarely gets hot, lots of moisture
> forms in it to emulsify it and get into the bearings...  Don't wanna scare
> you, mind...
> 
That's my mate fucked then. He's got a Bentley Turbo R with 17,500 miles 
and an Interceptor 3 with a couple of hundred more on.

-- 
Pete M - OMF#9

BMW 325i SE Touring
Range Rover V8 Turbo
Renault 30 TX Auto

"Wait! We can't stop here, this is Bat Country"
date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 06:34:29 +0100   author:   Pete M

Re: Installing power steering on 98 Fiesta   
On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 06:34:29 +0100, Pete M
 wrote:

>A.Clews@DENTURESsussex.ac.uk wrote:
>> Thus spake Adrian (toomany2cvs@gmail.com) unto the assembled multitudes:
>> 
>>>> Cheers for the reply Mike, Fiesta only has 16,000 miles on it even
>>>> though its 10 years old [...]
>> 
>>> Such a massively low mileage is utterly irrelevant. All it means is that 
>>> the car's spent a LOT of time sat around doing sod all. One elderly 
>>> owner, by any chance? Only used for shops & church? So it's spent all 
>>> it's time being touch-parked at 5,000rpm with slipping clutch.
>> 
>> And in that 16,000 miles and 10 years how often (if ever) did it get an oil
>> change?   Loads of short journeys, oil rarely gets hot, lots of moisture
>> forms in it to emulsify it and get into the bearings...  Don't wanna scare
>> you, mind...
>> 
>That's my mate fucked then. He's got a Bentley Turbo R with 17,500 miles 
>and an Interceptor 3 with a couple of hundred more on.

Quite possibly. Has he done the oil change on time, like every 6 or 12
months so lots of oil changes or on distance, like only 3-4 times in
20 years? Lots of low milage users just don't read the book and wreck
the engine by using oil that has degraded by oxidising in the sump
while standing. Normal oil doesn't protect bores and head long term as
it drains away to sump and doesn't have a vapour phase.  With normal
oil the vehicle has to be used regularly (once a month) and brought up
to full working temperature to circulate the oil back to the bores and
head, so just doing oil changes on time will not protect an unused
engine.  Long term layup needs special oil with a vapour phase or very
high cling, a straight 20 preservative oil was put in the AFS Green
Goddeses, this lost it's preservative qualities if vehicle used for 20
miles. These are the sorts of oil that should be used for long term
non use.
http://www.corrosioncontrol.ca/Mil-Spec_Lubricants.htm
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date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 09:57:28 +0100   author:   Peter Hill

Re: Installing power steering on 98 Fiesta   
Peter Hill wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 06:34:29 +0100, Pete M
>  wrote:
> 
>> A.Clews@DENTURESsussex.ac.uk wrote:
>>> Thus spake Adrian (toomany2cvs@gmail.com) unto the assembled multitudes:
>>>
>>>>> Cheers for the reply Mike, Fiesta only has 16,000 miles on it even
>>>>> though its 10 years old [...]
>>>> Such a massively low mileage is utterly irrelevant. All it means is that 
>>>> the car's spent a LOT of time sat around doing sod all. One elderly 
>>>> owner, by any chance? Only used for shops & church? So it's spent all 
>>>> it's time being touch-parked at 5,000rpm with slipping clutch.
>>> And in that 16,000 miles and 10 years how often (if ever) did it get an oil
>>> change?   Loads of short journeys, oil rarely gets hot, lots of moisture
>>> forms in it to emulsify it and get into the bearings...  Don't wanna scare
>>> you, mind...
>>>
>> That's my mate fucked then. He's got a Bentley Turbo R with 17,500 miles 
>> and an Interceptor 3 with a couple of hundred more on.
> 
> Quite possibly. Has he done the oil change on time, like every 6 or 12
> months so lots of oil changes or on distance, like only 3-4 times in
> 20 years? Lots of low milage users just don't read the book and wreck
> the engine by using oil that has degraded by oxidising in the sump
> while standing. Normal oil doesn't protect bores and head long term as
> it drains away to sump and doesn't have a vapour phase.  With normal
> oil the vehicle has to be used regularly (once a month) and brought up
> to full working temperature to circulate the oil back to the bores and
> head, so just doing oil changes on time will not protect an unused
> engine.  Long term layup needs special oil with a vapour phase or very
> high cling, a straight 20 preservative oil was put in the AFS Green
> Goddeses, this lost it's preservative qualities if vehicle used for 20
> miles. These are the sorts of oil that should be used for long term
> non use.
> http://www.corrosioncontrol.ca/Mil-Spec_Lubricants.htm

The oil gets changed a couple of times a year. The Bentley goes for a 
full service about once a year, and minor service maybe every 6 months..



-- 
Pete M - OMF#9

BMW 325i SE Touring
Range Rover V8 Turbo
Renault 30 TX Auto

"Wait! We can't stop here, this is Bat Country"
date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:29:19 +0100   author:   Pete M

Re: Installing power steering on 98 Fiesta   
Pete M wrote:

[...]
> 
> The oil gets changed a couple of times a year. The Bentley goes for a
> full service about once a year, and minor service maybe every 6 months..
> 

Be interesting to know what the running cost per mile is :-)

Chris

-- 
Remove prejudice to reply.
date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 12:53:32 +0100   author:   Chris Whelan

Re: Installing power steering on 98 Fiesta   
Chris Whelan  wrote:

> Pete M wrote:
> 
> [...]
> > 
> > The oil gets changed a couple of times a year. The Bentley goes for a
> > full service about once a year, and minor service maybe every 6 months..
> > 
> 
> Be interesting to know what the running cost per mile is :-)

Probably much more favourable than that of a new diesel repmobile -
neither will be losing anything to depreciation, and may even be
appreciating.

-- 
SteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
www.italiancar.co.uk - Alfa 156 TSpark Sportwagon Veloce Selespeed
Alfa 156 TSpark Lusso - Alfa 75 TSpark Lusso - Ducati 750SS
date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 13:27:27 +0100   author:   (SteveH)

Re: Installing power steering on 98 Fiesta   
wrote in message 
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> Thus spake Adrian (toomany2cvs@gmail.com) unto the assembled multitudes:
>
>>> Cheers for the reply Mike, Fiesta only has 16,000 miles on it even
>>> though its 10 years old [...]
>
>> Such a massively low mileage is utterly irrelevant. All it means is that
>> the car's spent a LOT of time sat around doing sod all. One elderly
>> owner, by any chance? Only used for shops & church? So it's spent all
>> it's time being touch-parked at 5,000rpm with slipping clutch.
>
> And in that 16,000 miles and 10 years how often (if ever) did it get an 
> oil
> change?   Loads of short journeys, oil rarely gets hot, lots of moisture
> forms in it to emulsify it and get into the bearings...  Don't wanna scare
> you, mind...
>
> -- 
>                                 Andy Clews
>                            University of Sussex
>                 *** Remove DENTURES if replying by email ***

14,500 of those miles have been done in the last 18 months. Just looked at 
the service book and it had an oil change and service at 3,000 miles in May 
2007,  oil change and service at 8,100 in Dec 2007 and a full service at 
13,000 this August by Ford main dealer.

Its been in an old guys garage in Sussex, his Daughter put 14,500 on it in 
the last 18 months, were happy with it thats all that matters to be honest 
and thanks but you didnt scare me at all :)
date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 13:52:24 +0100   author:   Newsdemon

Re: Installing power steering on 98 Fiesta   
"Newsdemon"  wrote in message 
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>
>  wrote in message 
> news:gbm5l1$i8f$3@south.jnrs.ja.net...
>> Thus spake Adrian (toomany2cvs@gmail.com) unto the assembled multitudes:
>>
>>>> Cheers for the reply Mike, Fiesta only has 16,000 miles on it even
>>>> though its 10 years old [...]
>>
>>> Such a massively low mileage is utterly irrelevant. All it means is that
>>> the car's spent a LOT of time sat around doing sod all. One elderly
>>> owner, by any chance? Only used for shops & church? So it's spent all
>>> it's time being touch-parked at 5,000rpm with slipping clutch.
>>
>> And in that 16,000 miles and 10 years how often (if ever) did it get an 
>> oil
>> change?   Loads of short journeys, oil rarely gets hot, lots of moisture
>> forms in it to emulsify it and get into the bearings...  Don't wanna 
>> scare
>> you, mind...
>>
>> -- 
>>                                 Andy Clews
>>                            University of Sussex
>>                 *** Remove DENTURES if replying by email ***
>
> 14,500 of those miles have been done in the last 18 months. Just looked at 
> the service book and it had an oil change and service at 3,000 miles in 
> May 2007,  oil change and service at 8,100 in Dec 2007 and a full service 
> at 13,000 this August by Ford main dealer.
>
> Its been in an old guys garage in Sussex, his Daughter put 14,500 on it in 
> the last 18 months, were happy with it thats all that matters to be honest 
> and thanks but you didnt scare me at all :)
>
sorry the latter milage should have said 15,000
date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 13:53:34 +0100   author:   Newsdemon

Re: Installing power steering on 98 Fiesta   
steve@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
were saying:

>> > The oil gets changed a couple of times a year. The Bentley goes for a
>> > full service about once a year, and minor service maybe every 6
>> > months..

>> Be interesting to know what the running cost per mile is :-)

> Probably much more favourable than that of a new diesel repmobile -
> neither will be losing anything to depreciation, and may even be
> appreciating.

I seem to recall Pete mentioning maintenance costs on the Jensen... IIRC, 
they were heading for a hundred quid a mile...
date: 28 Sep 2008 18:50:10 GMT   author:   Adrian

Re: Installing power steering on 98 Fiesta   
Adrian wrote:
> steve@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) gurgled happily, sounding much like they
> were saying:
> 
>>>> The oil gets changed a couple of times a year. The Bentley goes for a
>>>> full service about once a year, and minor service maybe every 6
>>>> months..
> 
>>> Be interesting to know what the running cost per mile is :-)
> 
>> Probably much more favourable than that of a new diesel repmobile -
>> neither will be losing anything to depreciation, and may even be
>> appreciating.
> 
> I seem to recall Pete mentioning maintenance costs on the Jensen... IIRC, 
> they were heading for a hundred quid a mile...

Yesss. That was definately the case early on with it.

Nowadays it's actually useable, well, it will be when it returns from 
the bodyshop next week.

-- 
Pete M - OMF#9

BMW 325i SE Touring
Range Rover V8 Turbo
Renault 30 TX Auto

"Wait! We can't stop here, this is Bat Country"
date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 20:13:23 +0100   author:   Pete M

Re: Installing power steering on 98 Fiesta   
Pete M  gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying:

>>>>> The oil gets changed a couple of times a year. The Bentley goes for
>>>>> a full service about once a year, and minor service maybe every 6
>>>>> months..

>>>> Be interesting to know what the running cost per mile is :-)

>>> Probably much more favourable than that of a new diesel repmobile -
>>> neither will be losing anything to depreciation, and may even be
>>> appreciating.

>> I seem to recall Pete mentioning maintenance costs on the Jensen...
>> IIRC, they were heading for a hundred quid a mile...

> Yesss. That was definately the case early on with it.
> 
> Nowadays it's actually useable, well, it will be when it returns from
> the bodyshop next week.

At which point, the costs will be HOW much...? Going to be a LOT of miles 
before that's down to "merely astronomical"...
date: 28 Sep 2008 19:17:04 GMT   author:   Adrian

Re: Installing power steering on 98 Fiesta   
Chris Whelan wrote:
> Pete M wrote:
> 
> [...]
>> The oil gets changed a couple of times a year. The Bentley goes for a
>> full service about once a year, and minor service maybe every 6 months..
>>
> 
> Be interesting to know what the running cost per mile is :-)

Worked out a while ago that the Bentley is a lot cheaper than a new 
diesel repmobile to run provided the mileage is kept low. £250 a year 
fully comp insurance, "B" service is around £150, "A" service around 
£450. Does between 12-18 mpg and hasn't depreciated at all in 2 years. 
Bought for £21k with 12,400 miles on the clock, now on 17,400 miles and 
still likely to fetch £21k as it's still perfect and still very low mileage.

Even the best diesel repmobile will lose around 35% of its value in the 
first couple of years.

-- 
Pete M - OMF#9

BMW 325i SE Touring
Range Rover V8 Turbo
Renault 30 TX Auto

"Wait! We can't stop here, this is Bat Country"
date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 20:20:17 +0100   author:   Pete M

Re: Installing power steering on 98 Fiesta   
Adrian wrote:
> Pete M  gurgled happily, sounding
> much like they were saying:
> 
>>>>>> The oil gets changed a couple of times a year. The Bentley goes for
>>>>>> a full service about once a year, and minor service maybe every 6
>>>>>> months..
> 
>>>>> Be interesting to know what the running cost per mile is :-)
> 
>>>> Probably much more favourable than that of a new diesel repmobile -
>>>> neither will be losing anything to depreciation, and may even be
>>>> appreciating.
> 
>>> I seem to recall Pete mentioning maintenance costs on the Jensen...
>>> IIRC, they were heading for a hundred quid a mile...
> 
>> Yesss. That was definately the case early on with it.
>>
>> Nowadays it's actually useable, well, it will be when it returns from
>> the bodyshop next week.
> 
> At which point, the costs will be HOW much...? Going to be a LOT of miles 
> before that's down to "merely astronomical"...

It does nearly 12 mpg now. That's bloody good for an Interceptor.

-- 
Pete M - OMF#9

BMW 325i SE Touring
Range Rover V8 Turbo
Renault 30 TX Auto

"Wait! We can't stop here, this is Bat Country"
date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 20:23:47 +0100   author:   Pete M

Re: Installing power steering on 98 Fiesta   
Pete M  gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying:

>>>> I seem to recall Pete mentioning maintenance costs on the Jensen...
>>>> IIRC, they were heading for a hundred quid a mile...

>>> Yesss. That was definately the case early on with it.
>>>
>>> Nowadays it's actually useable, well, it will be when it returns from
>>> the bodyshop next week.

>> At which point, the costs will be HOW much...? Going to be a LOT of
>> miles before that's down to "merely astronomical"...

> It does nearly 12 mpg now. That's bloody good for an Interceptor.

MMmm.. And how long will it do 12mpg for, before something else demands 
substantial cash injections...?
date: 28 Sep 2008 19:28:58 GMT   author:   Adrian

Re: Installing power steering on 98 Fiesta   
Adrian wrote:
> Pete M  gurgled happily, sounding
> much like they were saying:
> 
>>>>> I seem to recall Pete mentioning maintenance costs on the Jensen...
>>>>> IIRC, they were heading for a hundred quid a mile...
> 
>>>> Yesss. That was definately the case early on with it.
>>>>
>>>> Nowadays it's actually useable, well, it will be when it returns from
>>>> the bodyshop next week.
> 
>>> At which point, the costs will be HOW much...? Going to be a LOT of
>>> miles before that's down to "merely astronomical"...
> 
>> It does nearly 12 mpg now. That's bloody good for an Interceptor.
> 
> MMmm.. And how long will it do 12mpg for, before something else demands 
> substantial cash injections...?

It's happily managed to run for a whole hour before breaking down. I've 
managed a 15 mile run in it with no issues...

Then again, there isn't much left which is likely to cause any issues. 
It's had a new starter, alternator, discs, pads, shocks, gearbox, carb, 
battery, coil, plugs, leads, dizzy cap, rotor arm...

-- 
Pete M - OMF#9

BMW 325i SE Touring
Range Rover V8 Turbo
Renault 30 TX Auto

"Wait! We can't stop here, this is Bat Country"
date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 20:36:14 +0100   author:   Pete M

Re: Installing power steering on 98 Fiesta   
Pete M  gurgled happily, sounding
much like they were saying:

>>>> At which point, the costs will be HOW much...? Going to be a LOT of
>>>> miles before that's down to "merely astronomical"...

>>> It does nearly 12 mpg now. That's bloody good for an Interceptor.

>> MMmm.. And how long will it do 12mpg for, before something else demands
>> substantial cash injections...?

> It's happily managed to run for a whole hour before breaking down. I've
> managed a 15 mile run in it with no issues...
> 
> Then again, there isn't much left which is likely to cause any issues.
> It's had a new starter, alternator, discs, pads, shocks, gearbox, carb,
> battery, coil, plugs, leads, dizzy cap, rotor arm...

So just the rest of the running gear, bodywork, electrics...
date: 28 Sep 2008 19:55:54 GMT   author:   Adrian

Re: Installing power steering on 98 Fiesta   
Pete M  wrote:

> Chris Whelan wrote:
> > Pete M wrote:
> > 
> > [...]
> >> The oil gets changed a couple of times a year. The Bentley goes for a
> >> full service about once a year, and minor service maybe every 6 months..
> >>
> > 
> > Be interesting to know what the running cost per mile is :-)
> 
> Worked out a while ago that the Bentley is a lot cheaper than a new 
> diesel repmobile to run provided the mileage is kept low. £250 a year
> fully comp insurance, "B" service is around £150, "A" service around 
> £450. Does between 12-18 mpg and hasn't depreciated at all in 2 years.
> Bought for £21k with 12,400 miles on the clock, now on 17,400 miles and
> still likely to fetch £21k as it's still perfect and still very low mileage.
> 
> Even the best diesel repmobile will lose around 35% of its value in the
> first couple of years.

Supposedly a cast-iron investment in rep-mobile terms.... my Passat was
offered to me by the lease company for £6.9k.

That's around 34% retained value, in 3 years. Trade price is a good
grand and a half under what they offered it to me for, too.

Needless to say, I declined their 'generous' offer.
-- 
SteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
www.italiancar.co.uk - Alfa 156 TSpark Sportwagon Veloce Selespeed
Alfa 156 TSpark Lusso - Alfa 75 TSpark Lusso - Ducati 750SS
date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 21:03:09 +0100   author:   (SteveH)

Re: Installing power steering on 98 Fiesta   
SteveH wrote:
> Pete M  wrote:
> 
>> Chris Whelan wrote:
>>> Pete M wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>> The oil gets changed a couple of times a year. The Bentley goes for a
>>>> full service about once a year, and minor service maybe every 6 months..
>>>>
>>> Be interesting to know what the running cost per mile is :-)
>> Worked out a while ago that the Bentley is a lot cheaper than a new 
>> diesel repmobile to run provided the mileage is kept low. £250 a year
>> fully comp insurance, "B" service is around £150, "A" service around 
>> £450. Does between 12-18 mpg and hasn't depreciated at all in 2 years.
>> Bought for £21k with 12,400 miles on the clock, now on 17,400 miles and
>> still likely to fetch £21k as it's still perfect and still very low mileage.
>>
>> Even the best diesel repmobile will lose around 35% of its value in the
>> first couple of years.
> 
> Supposedly a cast-iron investment in rep-mobile terms.... my Passat was
> offered to me by the lease company for £6.9k.
> 
> That's around 34% retained value, in 3 years. Trade price is a good
> grand and a half under what they offered it to me for, too.

Zackly. Yours wasn't a bad colour either. 100k miles or so, first of a 
new shape and a 'prestige brand'. Yet £5500 is what they'll be all over 
the place for soon enough. £18k new?
> 
> Needless to say, I declined their 'generous' offer.

Bloke with the Bentley and Jensen knocks about town in disposable motors 
that tend to cost £300-400 quid. Runs them for a year or and flogs the 
remains for £300-400 quid when something more interesting comes along. 
His girlfriend uses his Clio diesel or his MX5 for her daily wheels. 
Having driven the Clio I have to agree with his description of it "Cost 
me a couple of grand a year ago with 120k miles up it (It's a 54 plate 
sporty looking but dCi job), has averaged 57 mpg ever since, but what a 
disaster to drive".

Happily, the Jensen has gone up in value by approximately the amount 
he's spent on it in the last 4 years and after the incident in the MOT 
station in July will be back from the bodyshop next Friday with a load 
of new bodywork and paintwork done at the expense of the muppet with the 
dodgy Megane and his insurance company...


-- 
Pete M - OMF#9

BMW 325i SE Touring
Range Rover V8 Turbo
Renault 30 TX Auto

"Wait! We can't stop here, this is Bat Country"
date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 01:04:56 +0100   author:   Pete M

Re: Installing power steering on 98 Fiesta   
On Sun, 28 Sep 2008 20:55:54 +0100, Adrian  wrote:

> Pete M  gurgled happily, sounding
> much like they were saying:
>
>>>>> At which point, the costs will be HOW much...? Going to be a LOT of
>>>>> miles before that's down to "merely astronomical"...
>
>>>> It does nearly 12 mpg now. That's bloody good for an Interceptor.
>
>>> MMmm.. And how long will it do 12mpg for, before something else demands
>>> substantial cash injections...?
>
>> It's happily managed to run for a whole hour before breaking down. I've
>> managed a 15 mile run in it with no issues...
>>
>> Then again, there isn't much left which is likely to cause any issues.
>> It's had a new starter, alternator, discs, pads, shocks, gearbox, carb,
>> battery, coil, plugs, leads, dizzy cap, rotor arm...
>
> So just the rest of the running gear, bodywork, electrics...


"When it;s back from the bodyshop"
date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 07:43:06 +0100   author:   Duncan Wood

Re: Installing power steering on 98 Fiesta   
"Duncan Wood"  gurgled happily, sounding much like
they were saying:

>> So just the rest of the running gear, bodywork, electrics...

> "When it;s back from the bodyshop"

A little light panelwork and paint doesn't stop structural crustiness, 
y'know...
date: 29 Sep 2008 07:48:36 GMT   author:   Adrian

Re: Installing power steering on 98 Fiesta   
Adrian wrote:
> "Duncan Wood"  gurgled happily, sounding much like
> they were saying:
> 
>>> So just the rest of the running gear, bodywork, electrics...
> 
>> "When it;s back from the bodyshop"
> 
> A little light panelwork and paint doesn't stop structural crustiness, 
> y'know...

It's structurally sound, which is a bonus...

-- 
Pete M - OMF#9

BMW 325i SE Touring
Range Rover V8 Turbo
Renault 30 TX Auto

"Wait! We can't stop here, this is Bat Country"
date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:01:48 +0100   author:   Pete M

Re: Installing power steering on 98 Fiesta   
Thus spake Newsdemon (SS@hotmail.com) unto the assembled multitudes:
>>>
>>> And in that 16,000 miles and 10 years how often (if ever) did it get an 
>>> oil
>>> change?   

>> 14,500 of those miles have been done in the last 18 months. Just looked at 
>> the service book and it had an oil change and service at 3,000 miles in 
>> May 2007,  oil change and service at 8,100 in Dec 2007 and a full service 
>> at 13,000 this August by Ford main dealer.
>>
>> Its been in an old guys garage in Sussex, his Daughter put 14,500 on it in 
>> the last 18 months, were happy with it thats all that matters to be honest 
>> and thanks but you didnt scare me at all :)
>>
> sorry the latter milage should have said 15,000 

Crikey, so the original owner did 1,500 miles in the car in 8.5 years?
It must have wondered what had hit it when his daughter took over ;-)


-- 
                                 Andy Clews
                            University of Sussex
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date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:04:58 +0000 (UTC)   author:   unknown

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