On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 23:54:46 +0100, Conor 
wrote:

>In article <g5st3j$731$1@news.datemas.de>, Dave Baker says...
>> 
>> but I'm damn sure that overall we've been going 
>> backwards not forwards for 20 years.
>> 
>Considering my Capri averages 37 MPG which is more than I got out of a 
>2L Mk1 Mondeo, I'd have to agree.

Can anyone remember what a 1300 MKII Escort used to get mpg wise
please?

All the best ..

T i m

In article , T i m says...
> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 23:54:46 +0100, Conor 
> wrote:
> 
> >In article <g5st3j$731$1@news.datemas.de>, Dave Baker says...
> >> 
> >> but I'm damn sure that overall we've been going 
> >> backwards not forwards for 20 years.
> >> 
> >Considering my Capri averages 37 MPG which is more than I got out of a 
> >2L Mk1 Mondeo, I'd have to agree.
> 
> Can anyone remember what a 1300 MKII Escort used to get mpg wise
> please?
> 
Mid 30's. There's one guy running a tuned one on bike carbs that claims 
to get no lower than high 20's thraping it and high 30's normal 
driving.



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"Conor"  wrote in message 
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> Mid 30's. There's one guy running a tuned one on bike carbs that claims
> to get no lower than high 20's thraping it and high 30's normal
> driving.

When I switched my 1.6 xflow to CBR600 carbs (from a single DGV weber), my 
MPG went from low 20's to mid-20's.
Not what I was expecting from 4 carbs and loads more power..

-- 

Tony Bond / UncleFista

www.bradford7.co.uk

Love is like a snowmobile, speeding across the frozen tundra.
Which suddenly flips, pinning you underneath.
At night the ice-weasels come...

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:24:50 +0100, Conor 
wrote:

>In article , T i m says...
>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 23:54:46 +0100, Conor 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >In article <g5st3j$731$1@news.datemas.de>, Dave Baker says...
>> >> 
>> >> but I'm damn sure that overall we've been going 
>> >> backwards not forwards for 20 years.
>> >> 
>> >Considering my Capri averages 37 MPG which is more than I got out of a 
>> >2L Mk1 Mondeo, I'd have to agree.
>> 
>> Can anyone remember what a 1300 MKII Escort used to get mpg wise
>> please?
>> 
>Mid 30's.

Ok thanks. I'm trying to judge just how f*d this 1300 in the kitcar
is. It has had Luminition in there for most of the 18 years it's been
in this form so the timing should be ok but I'm pretty sure the rocker
faces are well worn so the valve timing goes out fairly quickly. I'll
have to do some compression tests with the existing lump and the one I
picked up recently (eBay and where the gearbox came from) and go from
there.

> There's one guy running a tuned one on bike carbs that claims 
>to get no lower than high 20's thraping it and high 30's normal 
>driving.

Hmm.

Well I'm sure the lack_of aerodynamics can't help nor the extra weight
but it's pretty low geared and I've been trying to go easy on the
right foot.

I think I'll just carry on with the basic stuff I'm doing (like
brakes, wheels / tyres, seats, paint etc) with the thought of an
electric conversion later on.

All the best ..

T i m

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:59:02 +0100, "Tony \(UncleFista\)"
 wrote:

>
>"Conor"  wrote in message 
>news:6egi3qF7265pU2@mid.individual.net...
>> Mid 30's. There's one guy running a tuned one on bike carbs that claims
>> to get no lower than high 20's thraping it and high 30's normal
>> driving.
>
>When I switched my 1.6 xflow to CBR600 carbs (from a single DGV weber), my 
>MPG went from low 20's to mid-20's.
>Not what I was expecting from 4 carbs and loads more power..

No, indeed. I think I've got a basic single choke carb on there atm
(that might appreciate a service?) and I noticed the eBay lump had a
twin choke Weber (is it?). I wonder what would happen if I put an SU
on there? ;-)

Years ago a mate 'worked on' his 1300S MK 1 Fiesta. 5 speed XR2 box,
blueprinted, gas-flowed, stage 2 cam  etc etc. Driven hard it would
drink the juice but pottering about I remember him getting quite an
increase in mpg.

All the best ..

T i m

"T i m"  wrote in message 
news:2ac684d083n26g5gh7i8fdhs4arnht7g7k@4ax.com...

 I'll
> have to do some compression tests with the existing lump and the one I
> picked up recently (eBay and where the gearbox came from) and go from
> there.

IIRC about 70,000 miles was about (give or take) the time that the Kents 
started to breathe heavily from the oil filler. Lip dodger rings or a 
re-bore being the order of the day! The bottom end usually out did the top 
end I think.

Julian.

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 14:02:40 +0100, "Julian"  wrote:

>
>"T i m"  wrote in message 
>news:2ac684d083n26g5gh7i8fdhs4arnht7g7k@4ax.com...
>
> I'll
>> have to do some compression tests with the existing lump and the one I
>> picked up recently (eBay and where the gearbox came from) and go from
>> there.
>
>IIRC about 70,000 miles was about (give or take) the time that the Kents 
>started to breathe heavily from the oil filler.

Ah <blush> the 1300 MkII we used as the donor had 88k on it I think?
However, I have no idea if that was the original engine or not etc.

> Lip dodger rings or a 
>re-bore being the order of the day!

Is that like the cord rings (was it?) that I fitted to the Fiat 850 I
bought seized for a fiver when I was 15! ;-)

>The bottom end usually out did the top 
>end I think.

Ok and thanks Julian.

The engine in the kitcar has been in there from when we (the wife and
I) built it 18 years ago and about the only thing we have done to it
was pop the top off and grind the valves in (well, I let her do that
actually and she loved it!?).

But also it hasn't done *loads* of miles since we have had it as it
has always been our second car and typically used for carting the dogs
up the park or running stuff about (the back seats fold down easily
and make it into a little van and it has a Land Rover style built-on
roof rack that will easily take 3 sheets of 8x4 3/4" MDF (probably
unofficially))? ;-)

I have a 1600 Kent that would pop in there easily and even the 2L
Pinto out of my Sierra Estate (not quite so easy but one of the
accepted lumps) but I'm holding off with either because of higher
insurance and road tax costs for possibly it being just parked up much
of the time. The final though is that our daughter is nearly 18 and
after taking her bike test at the end of the month may want to take
her car test and use the 1.1 H reg Festa she's probably been given (if
we can afford to ensure it), then once she's comfortable driving in
general would like to take on the kitcar.[1]

All the best ..

T i m

[1] She's trying to get into Tree Surgery via an apprenticeship and
eventually be a climber, so I thought the Jeep style kitcar (it looks
just like a hard top SJ410) + my 6'6" 1/2 tonne goods trailer [2] with
cage sides / top added might make a good starting setup for her (for
the smaller jobs anyway).

[2] That I also made nearly 30 years ago and is also still going
strong! ;-)

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:34:08 GMT, PCPaul  wrote:

>On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:16:18 +0100, T i m wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 23:54:46 +0100, Conor 
>
>>>Considering my Capri averages 37 MPG which is more than I got out of a
>>>2L Mk1 Mondeo, I'd have to agree.
>> 
>> Can anyone remember what a 1300 MKII Escort used to get mpg wise please?
>
>A damn sight more than my 1100 MKII Escort used to get - mid 20's.

Damn.
>
>And that was with the 'economy carburettor' option too. Pah. You had to 
>thrash it just to keep up with the traffic...

Well that's the thing with small or low powered engines running with
more powerful stuff. If we all took 30 seconds to get to 60 things
might be different ?
>
>I took it for a 'speed run' with three of us in it on a long flat 
>straight road. It wouldn't even do 70mph.

Even the Ranger will do 70 and that's built like a shed!
>
>Did oi larf...

I bet you did Paul. We were doing similar ones in a mates 850 Mini. We
did hit the 70 down a hill only to (then) discover the drum brakes
weren't up to the job either. We coasted out onto a fairly fast
junction still doing about 30 mph .. it wasn't just burnt brake
linings you could smell!

One of our junior Engineers had one of the MK3 Escorts that had the
'economy lights' on the dash. I'm not sure you could actually
accelerate without bringing the amber light on and the red would come
on in a decent headwind? :-(

Somewhere I've got a picture of the gearbox laying next to the remains
of the car after he ran it into a lamp post. :-(

All the best ..

T i m