My 51 reg Ford focus didn't come equipped with a MPG meter, the position 
where it would normally be on the dashboard is blanked off, is this 
something which can be retrofitted [i.e. a vacant socket on the ecu which 
one can be plugged into] if so does anyone have an idea of what sort of cost 
I would be looking at?

TIA Ivan

"Ivan" <ivan'H'older@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message 
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> My 51 reg Ford focus didn't come equipped with a MPG meter, the position 
> where it would normally be on the dashboard is blanked off, is this 
> something which can be retrofitted [i.e. a vacant socket on the ecu which 
> one can be plugged into] if so does anyone have an idea of what sort of 
> cost I would be looking at?

This was dicussed at length some time ago on the ffoc website and i believe 
that it is possible- you will find the wiring plug taped to the loom in most 
cars- it must be a Zetec model or higher and the plug is tricky to find as 
its hard to get at the loom.

Secondly, you will need a friendly dealer to re-flash the ECU with software 
for a Fuel computer equiped car to enable it.

For the Low washer fluid and outside temp gauge to work you need those 
relevant parts also.

Tim..

Tim.. wrote:
|| "Ivan" <ivan'H'older@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
|| news:6d7090F154onU1@mid.individual.net...
||| My 51 reg Ford focus didn't come equipped with a MPG meter, the
||| position where it would normally be on the dashboard is blanked
||| off, is this something which can be retrofitted [i.e. a vacant
||| socket on the ecu which one can be plugged into] if so does anyone
||| have an idea of what sort of cost I would be looking at?
||
|| This was dicussed at length some time ago on the ffoc website and i
|| believe that it is possible- you will find the wiring plug taped to
|| the loom in most cars- it must be a Zetec model or higher and the
|| plug is tricky to find as its hard to get at the loom.
||
|| Secondly, you will need a friendly dealer to re-flash the ECU with
|| software for a Fuel computer equiped car to enable it.
||
|| For the Low washer fluid and outside temp gauge to work you need
|| those relevant parts also.
||
|| Tim..

Thanks Tim, the engine is a 1.8 endura DI turbo diesel, I had hoped that it 
may have been a relatively straightforward plug in option, which IMV would 
have been a very useful addition in light of the way things are now panning 
out on the fuel price front.
Perhaps it's feature that should be made a 'compulsory' fit on all new 
vehicles from now on.

"Ivan" <ivan'H'older@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:6d7iviF19qcuU1@mid.individual.net...
> Tim.. wrote:
> || "Ivan" <ivan'H'older@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> || news:6d7090F154onU1@mid.individual.net...
> ||| My 51 reg Ford focus didn't come equipped with a MPG meter, the
> ||| position where it would normally be on the dashboard is blanked
> ||| off, is this something which can be retrofitted [i.e. a vacant
> ||| socket on the ecu which one can be plugged into] if so does anyone
> ||| have an idea of what sort of cost I would be looking at?
> ||
> || This was dicussed at length some time ago on the ffoc website and i
> || believe that it is possible- you will find the wiring plug taped to
> || the loom in most cars- it must be a Zetec model or higher and the
> || plug is tricky to find as its hard to get at the loom.
> ||
> || Secondly, you will need a friendly dealer to re-flash the ECU with
> || software for a Fuel computer equiped car to enable it.
> ||
> || For the Low washer fluid and outside temp gauge to work you need
> || those relevant parts also.
> ||
> || Tim..
>
> Thanks Tim, the engine is a 1.8 endura DI turbo diesel, I had hoped that 
> it may have been a relatively straightforward plug in option, which IMV 
> would have been a very useful addition in light of the way things are now 
> panning out on the fuel price front.

You're off the mark here.  You don't need a trip computer to help you be 
economical as there are other ways; changing your driving over the medium 
term is an easier and more effective way than chasing a consumption gauge. 
Better yet - want to reduce your fuel consumption by 20%?  Commute to work 
on four days of the week and not five (as a very simple example)...

> Perhaps it's feature that should be made a 'compulsory' fit on all new 
> vehicles from now on.

I'd rather people don't have the extra distraction of watching a meter go up 
and down.


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DervMan wrote:
|| "Ivan" <ivan'H'older@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
|| news:6d7iviF19qcuU1@mid.individual.net...
||| Tim.. wrote:
||||| "Ivan" <ivan'H'older@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
||||| news:6d7090F154onU1@mid.individual.net...
|||||| My 51 reg Ford focus didn't come equipped with a MPG meter, the
|||||| position where it would normally be on the dashboard is blanked
|||||| off, is this something which can be retrofitted [i.e. a vacant
|||||| socket on the ecu which one can be plugged into] if so does
|||||| anyone have an idea of what sort of cost I would be looking at?
|||||
||||| This was dicussed at length some time ago on the ffoc website and
||||| i believe that it is possible- you will find the wiring plug
||||| taped to the loom in most cars- it must be a Zetec model or
||||| higher and the plug is tricky to find as its hard to get at the
||||| loom.
|||||
||||| Secondly, you will need a friendly dealer to re-flash the ECU with
||||| software for a Fuel computer equiped car to enable it.
|||||
||||| For the Low washer fluid and outside temp gauge to work you need
||||| those relevant parts also.
|||||
||||| Tim..
|||
||| Thanks Tim, the engine is a 1.8 endura DI turbo diesel, I had hoped
||| that it may have been a relatively straightforward plug in option,
||| which IMV would have been a very useful addition in light of the
||| way things are now panning out on the fuel price front.
||
|| You're off the mark here.  You don't need a trip computer to help
|| you be economical as there are other ways; changing your driving
|| over the medium term is an easier and more effective way than
|| chasing a consumption gauge. Better yet - want to reduce your fuel
|| consumption by 20%?  Commute to work on four days of the week and
|| not five (as a very simple example)...
||
||| Perhaps it's feature that should be made a 'compulsory' fit on all
||| new vehicles from now on.
||
|| I'd rather people don't have the extra distraction of watching a
|| meter go up and down.
||
||
|| --
|| The DervMan
|| www.dervman.com

You may have a valid point there, but in a similar vein for quite a while 
I've harboured this idea about an electronic device connected to ones gas 
and electricity meters which at a specific time of day would flash a brief 
message on to the main TV screen, it could say something along the lines of 
'Mr. Dervman today you have used £8.00 worth of electricity and £6.00 worth 
of gas, I can't honestly think a of better incentive that would most likely 
make you do some mental arithmetic concerning the price of your next fuel 
bills, and in all probability spurring you on to try and conserve your usage 
to see if you had achieved better when the following days message came up.

"Ivan" <ivan'H'older@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:6da55hF1jt92U1@mid.individual.net...
> DervMan wrote:
> || "Ivan" <ivan'H'older@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> || news:6d7iviF19qcuU1@mid.individual.net...
> ||| Tim.. wrote:
> ||||| "Ivan" <ivan'H'older@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> ||||| news:6d7090F154onU1@mid.individual.net...
> |||||| My 51 reg Ford focus didn't come equipped with a MPG meter, the
> |||||| position where it would normally be on the dashboard is blanked
> |||||| off, is this something which can be retrofitted [i.e. a vacant
> |||||| socket on the ecu which one can be plugged into] if so does
> |||||| anyone have an idea of what sort of cost I would be looking at?
> |||||
> ||||| This was dicussed at length some time ago on the ffoc website and
> ||||| i believe that it is possible- you will find the wiring plug
> ||||| taped to the loom in most cars- it must be a Zetec model or
> ||||| higher and the plug is tricky to find as its hard to get at the
> ||||| loom.
> |||||
> ||||| Secondly, you will need a friendly dealer to re-flash the ECU with
> ||||| software for a Fuel computer equiped car to enable it.
> |||||
> ||||| For the Low washer fluid and outside temp gauge to work you need
> ||||| those relevant parts also.
> |||||
> ||||| Tim..
> |||
> ||| Thanks Tim, the engine is a 1.8 endura DI turbo diesel, I had hoped
> ||| that it may have been a relatively straightforward plug in option,
> ||| which IMV would have been a very useful addition in light of the
> ||| way things are now panning out on the fuel price front.
> ||
> || You're off the mark here.  You don't need a trip computer to help
> || you be economical as there are other ways; changing your driving
> || over the medium term is an easier and more effective way than
> || chasing a consumption gauge. Better yet - want to reduce your fuel
> || consumption by 20%?  Commute to work on four days of the week and
> || not five (as a very simple example)...
> ||
> ||| Perhaps it's feature that should be made a 'compulsory' fit on all
> ||| new vehicles from now on.
> ||
> || I'd rather people don't have the extra distraction of watching a
> || meter go up and down.
> ||
> ||
> You may have a valid point there, but in a similar vein for quite a while 
> I've harboured this idea about an electronic device connected to ones gas 
> and electricity meters which at a specific time of day would flash a brief 
> message on to the main TV screen, it could say something along the lines 
> of 'Mr. Dervman today you have used £8.00 worth of electricity and £6.00 
> worth of gas, I can't honestly think a of better incentive that would most 
> likely make you do some mental arithmetic concerning the price of your 
> next fuel bills, and in all probability spurring you on to try and 
> conserve your usage to see if you had achieved better when the following 
> days message came up.


Good idea, maybe, except electric and gas bills are not the same (for many 
people) because we are billed monthly or quarterly; with petrol or diesel, 
we are billed when we buy the stuff before use.  I tend to fill the tank 
every five or six days, so I notice an increase of say £50 to £65 or so...

-- 
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www.dervman.com

DervMan wrote:
|| "Ivan" <ivan'H'older@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
|| news:6da55hF1jt92U1@mid.individual.net...
||| DervMan wrote:
||||| "Ivan" <ivan'H'older@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
||||| news:6d7iviF19qcuU1@mid.individual.net...
|||||| Tim.. wrote:
|||||||| "Ivan" <ivan'H'older@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
|||||||| news:6d7090F154onU1@mid.individual.net...
||||||||| My 51 reg Ford focus didn't come equipped with a MPG meter,
||||||||| the position where it would normally be on the dashboard is
||||||||| blanked off, is this something which can be retrofitted [i.e.
||||||||| a vacant socket on the ecu which one can be plugged into] if
||||||||| so does anyone have an idea of what sort of cost I would be
||||||||| looking at?
||||||||
|||||||| This was dicussed at length some time ago on the ffoc website
|||||||| and i believe that it is possible- you will find the wiring
|||||||| plug taped to the loom in most cars- it must be a Zetec model
|||||||| or higher and the plug is tricky to find as its hard to get at
|||||||| the loom.
||||||||
|||||||| Secondly, you will need a friendly dealer to re-flash the ECU
|||||||| with software for a Fuel computer equiped car to enable it.
||||||||
|||||||| For the Low washer fluid and outside temp gauge to work you
|||||||| need those relevant parts also.
||||||||
|||||||| Tim..
||||||
|||||| Thanks Tim, the engine is a 1.8 endura DI turbo diesel, I had
|||||| hoped that it may have been a relatively straightforward plug in
|||||| option, which IMV would have been a very useful addition in
|||||| light of the way things are now panning out on the fuel price
|||||| front.
|||||
||||| You're off the mark here.  You don't need a trip computer to help
||||| you be economical as there are other ways; changing your driving
||||| over the medium term is an easier and more effective way than
||||| chasing a consumption gauge. Better yet - want to reduce your fuel
||||| consumption by 20%?  Commute to work on four days of the week and
||||| not five (as a very simple example)...
|||||
|||||| Perhaps it's feature that should be made a 'compulsory' fit on
|||||| all new vehicles from now on.
|||||
||||| I'd rather people don't have the extra distraction of watching a
||||| meter go up and down.
|||||
|||||
||| You may have a valid point there, but in a similar vein for quite a
||| while I've harboured this idea about an electronic device connected
||| to ones gas and electricity meters which at a specific time of day
||| would flash a brief message on to the main TV screen, it could say
||| something along the lines of 'Mr. Dervman today you have used £8.00
||| worth of electricity and £6.00 worth of gas, I can't honestly think
||| a of better incentive that would most likely make you do some
||| mental arithmetic concerning the price of your next fuel bills, and
||| in all probability spurring you on to try and conserve your usage
||| to see if you had achieved better when the following days message
||| came up.
||
||
|| Good idea, maybe, except electric and gas bills are not the same
|| (for many people) because we are billed monthly or quarterly; with
|| petrol or diesel, we are billed when we buy the stuff before use.  I
|| tend to fill the tank every five or six days, so I notice an
|| increase of say £50 to £65 or so...
||


This may sound like I'm paranoid, but I'm now keeping my [diesel] fuel tank 
topped up to the brim, just in case I wake up one morning to find that some 
fuckwit or other has decided bomb Iran, in which case I would probably be 
able to eke out a few weeks of use for 'essential' journeys only without the 
risk of being shot whilst queuing up for fuel:o)





|| The DervMan
|| www.dervman.com

"Ivan" <ivan'H'older@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message 
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> DervMan wrote:
> || "Ivan" <ivan'H'older@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> || news:6da55hF1jt92U1@mid.individual.net...
> ||| DervMan wrote:
> ||||| "Ivan" <ivan'H'older@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> ||||| news:6d7iviF19qcuU1@mid.individual.net...
> |||||| Tim.. wrote:
> |||||||| "Ivan" <ivan'H'older@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> |||||||| news:6d7090F154onU1@mid.individual.net...
> ||||||||| My 51 reg Ford focus didn't come equipped with a MPG meter,
> ||||||||| the position where it would normally be on the dashboard is
> ||||||||| blanked off, is this something which can be retrofitted [i.e.
> ||||||||| a vacant socket on the ecu which one can be plugged into] if
> ||||||||| so does anyone have an idea of what sort of cost I would be
> ||||||||| looking at?
> ||||||||
> |||||||| This was dicussed at length some time ago on the ffoc website
> |||||||| and i believe that it is possible- you will find the wiring
> |||||||| plug taped to the loom in most cars- it must be a Zetec model
> |||||||| or higher and the plug is tricky to find as its hard to get at
> |||||||| the loom.
> ||||||||
> |||||||| Secondly, you will need a friendly dealer to re-flash the ECU
> |||||||| with software for a Fuel computer equiped car to enable it.
> ||||||||
> |||||||| For the Low washer fluid and outside temp gauge to work you
> |||||||| need those relevant parts also.
> ||||||||
> |||||||| Tim..
> ||||||
> |||||| Thanks Tim, the engine is a 1.8 endura DI turbo diesel, I had
> |||||| hoped that it may have been a relatively straightforward plug in
> |||||| option, which IMV would have been a very useful addition in
> |||||| light of the way things are now panning out on the fuel price
> |||||| front.
> |||||
> ||||| You're off the mark here.  You don't need a trip computer to help
> ||||| you be economical as there are other ways; changing your driving
> ||||| over the medium term is an easier and more effective way than
> ||||| chasing a consumption gauge. Better yet - want to reduce your fuel
> ||||| consumption by 20%?  Commute to work on four days of the week and
> ||||| not five (as a very simple example)...
> |||||
> |||||| Perhaps it's feature that should be made a 'compulsory' fit on
> |||||| all new vehicles from now on.
> |||||
> ||||| I'd rather people don't have the extra distraction of watching a
> ||||| meter go up and down.
> |||||
> |||||
> ||| You may have a valid point there, but in a similar vein for quite a
> ||| while I've harboured this idea about an electronic device connected
> ||| to ones gas and electricity meters which at a specific time of day
> ||| would flash a brief message on to the main TV screen, it could say
> ||| something along the lines of 'Mr. Dervman today you have used £8.00
> ||| worth of electricity and £6.00 worth of gas, I can't honestly think
> ||| a of better incentive that would most likely make you do some
> ||| mental arithmetic concerning the price of your next fuel bills, and
> ||| in all probability spurring you on to try and conserve your usage
> ||| to see if you had achieved better when the following days message
> ||| came up.
> ||
> ||
> || Good idea, maybe, except electric and gas bills are not the same
> || (for many people) because we are billed monthly or quarterly; with
> || petrol or diesel, we are billed when we buy the stuff before use.  I
> || tend to fill the tank every five or six days, so I notice an
> || increase of say £50 to £65 or so...
> ||
>
> This may sound like I'm paranoid, but I'm now keeping my [diesel] fuel 
> tank topped up to the brim, just in case I wake up one morning to find 
> that some fuckwit or other has decided bomb Iran, in which case I would 
> probably be able to eke out a few weeks of use for 'essential' journeys 
> only without the risk of being shot whilst queuing up for fuel:o)


Yes.  Paranoia.  If your diesel is able to run on vegetable oil, may I 
suggest stocking up on that too?

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On Jul 6, 7:48 am, "DervMan"  wrote:
> "Ivan" <ivan'H'ol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> news:6da9ltF1l26rU1@mid.individual.net...
> > DervMan wrote:
> > || "Ivan" <ivan'H'ol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> > ||news:6da55hF1jt92U1@mid.individual.net...
> > ||| DervMan wrote:
> > ||||| "Ivan" <ivan'H'ol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> > |||||news:6d7iviF19qcuU1@mid.individual.net...
> > |||||| Tim.. wrote:
> > |||||||| "Ivan" <ivan'H'ol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> > ||||||||news:6d7090F154onU1@mid.individual.net...
> > ||||||||| My 51 reg Ford focus didn't come equipped with a MPG meter,
> > ||||||||| the position where it would normally be on the dashboard is
> > ||||||||| blanked off, is this something which can be retrofitted [i.e.
> > ||||||||| a vacant socket on the ecu which one can be plugged into] if
> > ||||||||| so does anyone have an idea of what sort of cost I would be
> > ||||||||| looking at?
SNIP
> > ||||||||
> > |||||||| Tim..
> > ||||||
SNIP
> --
> The DervManwww.dervman.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

It seems strange that you want to move your eyes off the road to look
at a meter.
I calculate mpg at the diesel pump:
Last time for my 51 reg 1.9 Zetec:  635 miles, 9.75 gallons 65mpg.
Pete

"goodolpete"  wrote in message 
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On Jul 6, 7:48 am, "DervMan"  wrote:
> "Ivan" <ivan'H'ol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> news:6da9ltF1l26rU1@mid.individual.net...
> > DervMan wrote:
> > || "Ivan" <ivan'H'ol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> > ||news:6da55hF1jt92U1@mid.individual.net...
> > ||| DervMan wrote:
> > ||||| "Ivan" <ivan'H'ol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> > |||||news:6d7iviF19qcuU1@mid.individual.net...
> > |||||| Tim.. wrote:
> > |||||||| "Ivan" <ivan'H'ol...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> > ||||||||news:6d7090F154onU1@mid.individual.net...
> > ||||||||| My 51 reg Ford focus didn't come equipped with a MPG meter,
> > ||||||||| the position where it would normally be on the dashboard is
> > ||||||||| blanked off, is this something which can be retrofitted [i.e.
> > ||||||||| a vacant socket on the ecu which one can be plugged into] if
> > ||||||||| so does anyone have an idea of what sort of cost I would be
> > ||||||||| looking at?
SNIP
> > ||||||||
> > |||||||| Tim..
> > ||||||
SNIP
> --
> The DervManwww.dervman.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

It seems strange that you want to move your eyes off the road to look
at a meter.
I calculate mpg at the diesel pump:
Last time for my 51 reg 1.9 Zetec:  635 miles, 9.75 gallons 65mpg.
Pete

***

It's strange that there hasn't been a 1.9 Zetec...

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