There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
road users.

What happened?

Nowadays once luxury cars are becoming the home of gurning dickheads
in baseball caps with not two GCSE's to rub together pumping out
thumping basslines.

"PS"  wrote in message 
news:1176228508.139336.63180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
> Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
> road users.

You're going back twenty years or so.

>
> What happened?
>
> Nowadays once luxury cars are becoming the home of gurning dickheads
> in baseball caps with not two GCSE's to rub together pumping out
> thumping basslines.

Ask Thatcher.

"Brimstone"  wrote in message 
news:Pr-dnVU3kc7zSYbbRVnyiwA@bt.com...
>
> "PS"  wrote in message 
> news:1176228508.139336.63180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
>> Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
>> road users.
>
> You're going back twenty years or so.
>
>>
>> What happened?
>>
>> Nowadays once luxury cars are becoming the home of gurning dickheads
>> in baseball caps with not two GCSE's to rub together pumping out
>> thumping basslines.
>
> Ask Thatcher.

She no where to be seen :)

"Brimstone"  wrote in message 
news:Pr-dnVU3kc7zSYbbRVnyiwA@bt.com...
>
> "PS"  wrote in message 
> news:1176228508.139336.63180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
>> Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
>> road users.
>
> You're going back twenty years or so.

You need to go back further than that - 20 years ago these cars were being 
driven by that era's equivalent of the silly haircut and wraparound 
sunglasses combination.

>> What happened?
>>
>> Nowadays once luxury cars are becoming the home of gurning dickheads
>> in baseball caps with not two GCSE's to rub together pumping out
>> thumping basslines.
>
> Ask Thatcher.

Surely you mean 'Fatcha', to use the ghastly Estuary English vernacular of 
many of her detractors? Anyway, how can the behaviour of today's 
deliberately inconsiderate pikey criminal types be blamed on her?

"eNautilus" <GGNM@gd1934rsptcom> wrote:

> Surely you mean 'Fatcha', to use the ghastly Estuary English vernacular of
> many of her detractors?

I think you will find that ghastly Estuary English speakers formed the
main body of Thatcher's support.

eNautilus wrote:
> "Brimstone"  wrote in message 
> news:Pr-dnVU3kc7zSYbbRVnyiwA@bt.com...
> 
>>"PS"  wrote in message 
>>news:1176228508.139336.63180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
>>>Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
>>>road users.
>>
>>You're going back twenty years or so.
> 
> 
> You need to go back further than that - 20 years ago these cars were being 
> driven by that era's equivalent of the silly haircut and wraparound 
> sunglasses combination.
> 
> 
>>>What happened?
>>>
>>>Nowadays once luxury cars are becoming the home of gurning dickheads
>>>in baseball caps with not two GCSE's to rub together pumping out
>>>thumping basslines.
>>
>>Ask Thatcher.

> Surely you mean 'Fatcha', to use the ghastly Estuary English vernacular of 
> many of her detractors? Anyway, how can the behaviour of today's 
> deliberately inconsiderate pikey criminal types be blamed on her?

Easy.

She and her government turned the UK from an 
IMF-funded economic basket-case into a world where 
even (some of) the lower orders can afford BMWs (etc).

There are some who will never forgive her for 
unbundling the "working class" into two or more 
distinct categories, thus wrecking their natural 
constituency and forcing them to behave (what is 
for them) unnaturally. And at the same time, she 
"cheapened" the trappings of success which they 
would have preferred to see reserved for trade 
union leaders.

Let us leave aside the fact that driving a Merc or 
BMW, tasteless as some might regard it, is not a 
criminal action (yet).

On 12 Apr, 10:45, JNugent 
wrote:
> eNautilus wrote:
> > "Brimstone"  wrote in message
> >news:Pr-dnVU3kc7zSYbbRVnyiwA@bt.com...
>
> >>"PS"  wrote in message
> >>news:1176228508.139336.63180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>>There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
> >>>Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
> >>>road users.
>
> >>You're going back twenty years or so.
>
> > You need to go back further than that - 20 years ago these cars were being
> > driven by that era's equivalent of the silly haircut and wraparound
> > sunglasses combination.
>
> >>>What happened?
>
> >>>Nowadays once luxury cars are becoming the home of gurning dickheads
> >>>in baseball caps with not two GCSE's to rub together pumping out
> >>>thumping basslines.
>
> >>Ask Thatcher.
> > Surely you mean 'Fatcha', to use the ghastly Estuary English vernacular of
> > many of her detractors? Anyway, how can the behaviour of today's
> > deliberately inconsiderate pikey criminal types be blamed on her?
>
> Easy.
>
> She and her government turned the UK from an
> IMF-funded economic basket-case into a world where
> even (some of) the lower orders can afford BMWs (etc).
>
> There are some who will never forgive her for
> unbundling the "working class" into two or more
> distinct categories, thus wrecking their natural
> constituency and forcing them to behave (what is
> for them) unnaturally. And at the same time, she
> "cheapened" the trappings of success which they
> would have preferred to see reserved for trade
> union leaders.
>
> Let us leave aside the fact that driving a Merc or
> BMW, tasteless as some might regard it, is not a
> criminal action (yet).- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The groups that Thatcher created what are they? The undeservedly rich
and the undeservedly poor, and public service a dirty word? If this is
progress and improvement, then why does it all seem so repellent,
ugly, and generally awful? Surely we should be happier, and we don't
seem to be. Even Iran seems to be more staunch than we are. Nobody
here seems to make anything, and the only business to be in is estate
agency, selling ugly apartments to ugly rich alien crooks.
What will we do when we've sold it all? Where will we be?

Squashme wrote:
> On 12 Apr, 10:45, JNugent 
> wrote:
> 
>>eNautilus wrote:
>>
>>>"Brimstone"  wrote in message
>>>news:Pr-dnVU3kc7zSYbbRVnyiwA@bt.com...
>>
>>>>"PS"  wrote in message
>>>>news:1176228508.139336.63180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>>>There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
>>>>>Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
>>>>>road users.
>>
>>>>You're going back twenty years or so.
>>
>>>You need to go back further than that - 20 years ago these cars were being
>>>driven by that era's equivalent of the silly haircut and wraparound
>>>sunglasses combination.
>>
>>>>>What happened?
>>
>>>>>Nowadays once luxury cars are becoming the home of gurning dickheads
>>>>>in baseball caps with not two GCSE's to rub together pumping out
>>>>>thumping basslines.
>>
>>>>Ask Thatcher.
>>>
>>>Surely you mean 'Fatcha', to use the ghastly Estuary English vernacular of
>>>many of her detractors? Anyway, how can the behaviour of today's
>>>deliberately inconsiderate pikey criminal types be blamed on her?
>>
>>Easy.
>>
>>She and her government turned the UK from an
>>IMF-funded economic basket-case into a world where
>>even (some of) the lower orders can afford BMWs (etc).
>>
>>There are some who will never forgive her for
>>unbundling the "working class" into two or more
>>distinct categories, thus wrecking their natural
>>constituency and forcing them to behave (what is
>>for them) unnaturally. And at the same time, she
>>"cheapened" the trappings of success which they
>>would have preferred to see reserved for trade
>>union leaders.
>>
>>Let us leave aside the fact that driving a Merc or
>>BMW, tasteless as some might regard it, is not a
>>criminal action (yet).- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>- Show quoted text -
> 
> 
> The groups that Thatcher created what are they? The undeservedly rich
> and the undeservedly poor, and public service a dirty word? If this is
> progress and improvement, then why does it all seem so repellent,
> ugly, and generally awful? Surely we should be happier, and we don't
> seem to be. Even Iran seems to be more staunch than we are. Nobody
> here seems to make anything, and the only business to be in is estate
> agency, selling ugly apartments to ugly rich alien crooks.
> What will we do when we've sold it all? Where will we be?

Did you actually read what you responded to?

More to the point, did you understand it?

Squashme wrote:

> What will we do when we've sold it all? Where will we be?

Why, america, of course. Howdy partner! Mind the wretched refuse at the
door.

-- 
Comrade Otto Yamamoto
http://mryamamoto.50megs.com
Covering the Nation with Version!

On 12 Apr, 23:03, JNugent 
wrote:
> Squashmewrote:
> > On 12 Apr, 10:45, JNugent 
> > wrote:
>
> >>eNautilus wrote:
>
> >>>"Brimstone"  wrote in message
> >>>news:Pr-dnVU3kc7zSYbbRVnyiwA@bt.com...
>
> >>>>"PS"  wrote in message
> >>>>news:1176228508.139336.63180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>>>>There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
> >>>>>Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
> >>>>>road users.
>
> >>>>You're going back twenty years or so.
>
> >>>You need to go back further than that - 20 years ago these cars were being
> >>>driven by that era's equivalent of the silly haircut and wraparound
> >>>sunglasses combination.
>
> >>>>>What happened?
>
> >>>>>Nowadays once luxury cars are becoming the home of gurning dickheads
> >>>>>in baseball caps with not two GCSE's to rub together pumping out
> >>>>>thumping basslines.
>
> >>>>Ask Thatcher.
>
> >>>Surely you mean 'Fatcha', to use the ghastly Estuary English vernacular of
> >>>many of her detractors? Anyway, how can the behaviour of today's
> >>>deliberately inconsiderate pikey criminal types be blamed on her?
>
> >>Easy.
>
> >>She and her government turned the UK from an
> >>IMF-funded economic basket-case into a world where
> >>even (some of) the lower orders can afford BMWs (etc).
>
> >>There are some who will never forgive her for
> >>unbundling the "working class" into two or more
> >>distinct categories, thus wrecking their natural
> >>constituency and forcing them to behave (what is
> >>for them) unnaturally. And at the same time, she
> >>"cheapened" the trappings of success which they
> >>would have preferred to see reserved for trade
> >>union leaders.
>
> >>Let us leave aside the fact that driving a Merc or
> >>BMW, tasteless as some might regard it, is not a
> >>criminal action (yet).- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>- Show quoted text -
>
> > The groups that Thatcher created what are they? The undeservedly rich
> > and the undeservedly poor, and public service a dirty word? If this is
> > progress and improvement, then why does it all seem so repellent,
> > ugly, and generally awful? Surely we should be happier, and we don't
> > seem to be. Even Iran seems to be more staunch than we are. Nobody
> > here seems to make anything, and the only business to be in is estate
> > agency, selling ugly apartments to ugly rich alien crooks.
> > What will we do when we've sold it all? Where will we be?
>
> Did you actually read what you responded to?

I couldn't respond to it if I hadn't read it. Obviously.

>
> More to the point, did you understand it?

Again, I couldn't reply to it if I didn't understand it. You may wish
to differ.

On mature reflection, do you think that you managed to convey your
intended meaning adequately?

Hmmmm?

"PS"  wrote in message 
news:1176228508.139336.63180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
> Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
> road users.

You're going back twenty years or so.

>
> What happened?
>
> Nowadays once luxury cars are becoming the home of gurning dickheads
> in baseball caps with not two GCSE's to rub together pumping out
> thumping basslines.

Ask Thatcher.

"Brimstone"  wrote in message 
news:Pr-dnVU3kc7zSYbbRVnyiwA@bt.com...
>
> "PS"  wrote in message 
> news:1176228508.139336.63180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
>> Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
>> road users.
>
> You're going back twenty years or so.
>
>>
>> What happened?
>>
>> Nowadays once luxury cars are becoming the home of gurning dickheads
>> in baseball caps with not two GCSE's to rub together pumping out
>> thumping basslines.
>
> Ask Thatcher.

She no where to be seen :)

"Brimstone"  wrote in message 
news:Pr-dnVU3kc7zSYbbRVnyiwA@bt.com...
>
> "PS"  wrote in message 
> news:1176228508.139336.63180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
>> Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
>> road users.
>
> You're going back twenty years or so.

You need to go back further than that - 20 years ago these cars were being 
driven by that era's equivalent of the silly haircut and wraparound 
sunglasses combination.

>> What happened?
>>
>> Nowadays once luxury cars are becoming the home of gurning dickheads
>> in baseball caps with not two GCSE's to rub together pumping out
>> thumping basslines.
>
> Ask Thatcher.

Surely you mean 'Fatcha', to use the ghastly Estuary English vernacular of 
many of her detractors? Anyway, how can the behaviour of today's 
deliberately inconsiderate pikey criminal types be blamed on her?

"eNautilus" <GGNM@gd1934rsptcom> wrote:

> Surely you mean 'Fatcha', to use the ghastly Estuary English vernacular of
> many of her detractors?

I think you will find that ghastly Estuary English speakers formed the
main body of Thatcher's support.

eNautilus wrote:
> "Brimstone"  wrote in message 
> news:Pr-dnVU3kc7zSYbbRVnyiwA@bt.com...
> 
>>"PS"  wrote in message 
>>news:1176228508.139336.63180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
>>>Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
>>>road users.
>>
>>You're going back twenty years or so.
> 
> 
> You need to go back further than that - 20 years ago these cars were being 
> driven by that era's equivalent of the silly haircut and wraparound 
> sunglasses combination.
> 
> 
>>>What happened?
>>>
>>>Nowadays once luxury cars are becoming the home of gurning dickheads
>>>in baseball caps with not two GCSE's to rub together pumping out
>>>thumping basslines.
>>
>>Ask Thatcher.

> Surely you mean 'Fatcha', to use the ghastly Estuary English vernacular of 
> many of her detractors? Anyway, how can the behaviour of today's 
> deliberately inconsiderate pikey criminal types be blamed on her?

Easy.

She and her government turned the UK from an 
IMF-funded economic basket-case into a world where 
even (some of) the lower orders can afford BMWs (etc).

There are some who will never forgive her for 
unbundling the "working class" into two or more 
distinct categories, thus wrecking their natural 
constituency and forcing them to behave (what is 
for them) unnaturally. And at the same time, she 
"cheapened" the trappings of success which they 
would have preferred to see reserved for trade 
union leaders.

Let us leave aside the fact that driving a Merc or 
BMW, tasteless as some might regard it, is not a 
criminal action (yet).

On 12 Apr, 10:45, JNugent 
wrote:
> eNautilus wrote:
> > "Brimstone"  wrote in message
> >news:Pr-dnVU3kc7zSYbbRVnyiwA@bt.com...
>
> >>"PS"  wrote in message
> >>news:1176228508.139336.63180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>>There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
> >>>Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
> >>>road users.
>
> >>You're going back twenty years or so.
>
> > You need to go back further than that - 20 years ago these cars were being
> > driven by that era's equivalent of the silly haircut and wraparound
> > sunglasses combination.
>
> >>>What happened?
>
> >>>Nowadays once luxury cars are becoming the home of gurning dickheads
> >>>in baseball caps with not two GCSE's to rub together pumping out
> >>>thumping basslines.
>
> >>Ask Thatcher.
> > Surely you mean 'Fatcha', to use the ghastly Estuary English vernacular of
> > many of her detractors? Anyway, how can the behaviour of today's
> > deliberately inconsiderate pikey criminal types be blamed on her?
>
> Easy.
>
> She and her government turned the UK from an
> IMF-funded economic basket-case into a world where
> even (some of) the lower orders can afford BMWs (etc).
>
> There are some who will never forgive her for
> unbundling the "working class" into two or more
> distinct categories, thus wrecking their natural
> constituency and forcing them to behave (what is
> for them) unnaturally. And at the same time, she
> "cheapened" the trappings of success which they
> would have preferred to see reserved for trade
> union leaders.
>
> Let us leave aside the fact that driving a Merc or
> BMW, tasteless as some might regard it, is not a
> criminal action (yet).- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The groups that Thatcher created what are they? The undeservedly rich
and the undeservedly poor, and public service a dirty word? If this is
progress and improvement, then why does it all seem so repellent,
ugly, and generally awful? Surely we should be happier, and we don't
seem to be. Even Iran seems to be more staunch than we are. Nobody
here seems to make anything, and the only business to be in is estate
agency, selling ugly apartments to ugly rich alien crooks.
What will we do when we've sold it all? Where will we be?

Squashme wrote:
> On 12 Apr, 10:45, JNugent 
> wrote:
> 
>>eNautilus wrote:
>>
>>>"Brimstone"  wrote in message
>>>news:Pr-dnVU3kc7zSYbbRVnyiwA@bt.com...
>>
>>>>"PS"  wrote in message
>>>>news:1176228508.139336.63180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>>>There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
>>>>>Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
>>>>>road users.
>>
>>>>You're going back twenty years or so.
>>
>>>You need to go back further than that - 20 years ago these cars were being
>>>driven by that era's equivalent of the silly haircut and wraparound
>>>sunglasses combination.
>>
>>>>>What happened?
>>
>>>>>Nowadays once luxury cars are becoming the home of gurning dickheads
>>>>>in baseball caps with not two GCSE's to rub together pumping out
>>>>>thumping basslines.
>>
>>>>Ask Thatcher.
>>>
>>>Surely you mean 'Fatcha', to use the ghastly Estuary English vernacular of
>>>many of her detractors? Anyway, how can the behaviour of today's
>>>deliberately inconsiderate pikey criminal types be blamed on her?
>>
>>Easy.
>>
>>She and her government turned the UK from an
>>IMF-funded economic basket-case into a world where
>>even (some of) the lower orders can afford BMWs (etc).
>>
>>There are some who will never forgive her for
>>unbundling the "working class" into two or more
>>distinct categories, thus wrecking their natural
>>constituency and forcing them to behave (what is
>>for them) unnaturally. And at the same time, she
>>"cheapened" the trappings of success which they
>>would have preferred to see reserved for trade
>>union leaders.
>>
>>Let us leave aside the fact that driving a Merc or
>>BMW, tasteless as some might regard it, is not a
>>criminal action (yet).- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>- Show quoted text -
> 
> 
> The groups that Thatcher created what are they? The undeservedly rich
> and the undeservedly poor, and public service a dirty word? If this is
> progress and improvement, then why does it all seem so repellent,
> ugly, and generally awful? Surely we should be happier, and we don't
> seem to be. Even Iran seems to be more staunch than we are. Nobody
> here seems to make anything, and the only business to be in is estate
> agency, selling ugly apartments to ugly rich alien crooks.
> What will we do when we've sold it all? Where will we be?

Did you actually read what you responded to?

More to the point, did you understand it?

Squashme wrote:

> What will we do when we've sold it all? Where will we be?

Why, america, of course. Howdy partner! Mind the wretched refuse at the
door.

-- 
Comrade Otto Yamamoto
http://mryamamoto.50megs.com
Covering the Nation with Version!

On 12 Apr, 23:03, JNugent 
wrote:
> Squashmewrote:
> > On 12 Apr, 10:45, JNugent 
> > wrote:
>
> >>eNautilus wrote:
>
> >>>"Brimstone"  wrote in message
> >>>news:Pr-dnVU3kc7zSYbbRVnyiwA@bt.com...
>
> >>>>"PS"  wrote in message
> >>>>news:1176228508.139336.63180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>>>>There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
> >>>>>Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
> >>>>>road users.
>
> >>>>You're going back twenty years or so.
>
> >>>You need to go back further than that - 20 years ago these cars were being
> >>>driven by that era's equivalent of the silly haircut and wraparound
> >>>sunglasses combination.
>
> >>>>>What happened?
>
> >>>>>Nowadays once luxury cars are becoming the home of gurning dickheads
> >>>>>in baseball caps with not two GCSE's to rub together pumping out
> >>>>>thumping basslines.
>
> >>>>Ask Thatcher.
>
> >>>Surely you mean 'Fatcha', to use the ghastly Estuary English vernacular of
> >>>many of her detractors? Anyway, how can the behaviour of today's
> >>>deliberately inconsiderate pikey criminal types be blamed on her?
>
> >>Easy.
>
> >>She and her government turned the UK from an
> >>IMF-funded economic basket-case into a world where
> >>even (some of) the lower orders can afford BMWs (etc).
>
> >>There are some who will never forgive her for
> >>unbundling the "working class" into two or more
> >>distinct categories, thus wrecking their natural
> >>constituency and forcing them to behave (what is
> >>for them) unnaturally. And at the same time, she
> >>"cheapened" the trappings of success which they
> >>would have preferred to see reserved for trade
> >>union leaders.
>
> >>Let us leave aside the fact that driving a Merc or
> >>BMW, tasteless as some might regard it, is not a
> >>criminal action (yet).- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>- Show quoted text -
>
> > The groups that Thatcher created what are they? The undeservedly rich
> > and the undeservedly poor, and public service a dirty word? If this is
> > progress and improvement, then why does it all seem so repellent,
> > ugly, and generally awful? Surely we should be happier, and we don't
> > seem to be. Even Iran seems to be more staunch than we are. Nobody
> > here seems to make anything, and the only business to be in is estate
> > agency, selling ugly apartments to ugly rich alien crooks.
> > What will we do when we've sold it all? Where will we be?
>
> Did you actually read what you responded to?

I couldn't respond to it if I hadn't read it. Obviously.

>
> More to the point, did you understand it?

Again, I couldn't reply to it if I didn't understand it. You may wish
to differ.

On mature reflection, do you think that you managed to convey your
intended meaning adequately?

Hmmmm?

"PS"  wrote in message 
news:1176228508.139336.63180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
> Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
> road users.

You're going back twenty years or so.

>
> What happened?
>
> Nowadays once luxury cars are becoming the home of gurning dickheads
> in baseball caps with not two GCSE's to rub together pumping out
> thumping basslines.

Ask Thatcher.

"Brimstone"  wrote in message 
news:Pr-dnVU3kc7zSYbbRVnyiwA@bt.com...
>
> "PS"  wrote in message 
> news:1176228508.139336.63180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
>> Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
>> road users.
>
> You're going back twenty years or so.
>
>>
>> What happened?
>>
>> Nowadays once luxury cars are becoming the home of gurning dickheads
>> in baseball caps with not two GCSE's to rub together pumping out
>> thumping basslines.
>
> Ask Thatcher.

She no where to be seen :)

"Brimstone"  wrote in message 
news:Pr-dnVU3kc7zSYbbRVnyiwA@bt.com...
>
> "PS"  wrote in message 
> news:1176228508.139336.63180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
>> Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
>> road users.
>
> You're going back twenty years or so.

You need to go back further than that - 20 years ago these cars were being 
driven by that era's equivalent of the silly haircut and wraparound 
sunglasses combination.

>> What happened?
>>
>> Nowadays once luxury cars are becoming the home of gurning dickheads
>> in baseball caps with not two GCSE's to rub together pumping out
>> thumping basslines.
>
> Ask Thatcher.

Surely you mean 'Fatcha', to use the ghastly Estuary English vernacular of 
many of her detractors? Anyway, how can the behaviour of today's 
deliberately inconsiderate pikey criminal types be blamed on her?

"eNautilus" <GGNM@gd1934rsptcom> wrote:

> Surely you mean 'Fatcha', to use the ghastly Estuary English vernacular of
> many of her detractors?

I think you will find that ghastly Estuary English speakers formed the
main body of Thatcher's support.

eNautilus wrote:
> "Brimstone"  wrote in message 
> news:Pr-dnVU3kc7zSYbbRVnyiwA@bt.com...
> 
>>"PS"  wrote in message 
>>news:1176228508.139336.63180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
>>>Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
>>>road users.
>>
>>You're going back twenty years or so.
> 
> 
> You need to go back further than that - 20 years ago these cars were being 
> driven by that era's equivalent of the silly haircut and wraparound 
> sunglasses combination.
> 
> 
>>>What happened?
>>>
>>>Nowadays once luxury cars are becoming the home of gurning dickheads
>>>in baseball caps with not two GCSE's to rub together pumping out
>>>thumping basslines.
>>
>>Ask Thatcher.

> Surely you mean 'Fatcha', to use the ghastly Estuary English vernacular of 
> many of her detractors? Anyway, how can the behaviour of today's 
> deliberately inconsiderate pikey criminal types be blamed on her?

Easy.

She and her government turned the UK from an 
IMF-funded economic basket-case into a world where 
even (some of) the lower orders can afford BMWs (etc).

There are some who will never forgive her for 
unbundling the "working class" into two or more 
distinct categories, thus wrecking their natural 
constituency and forcing them to behave (what is 
for them) unnaturally. And at the same time, she 
"cheapened" the trappings of success which they 
would have preferred to see reserved for trade 
union leaders.

Let us leave aside the fact that driving a Merc or 
BMW, tasteless as some might regard it, is not a 
criminal action (yet).

On 12 Apr, 10:45, JNugent 
wrote:
> eNautilus wrote:
> > "Brimstone"  wrote in message
> >news:Pr-dnVU3kc7zSYbbRVnyiwA@bt.com...
>
> >>"PS"  wrote in message
> >>news:1176228508.139336.63180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>>There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
> >>>Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
> >>>road users.
>
> >>You're going back twenty years or so.
>
> > You need to go back further than that - 20 years ago these cars were being
> > driven by that era's equivalent of the silly haircut and wraparound
> > sunglasses combination.
>
> >>>What happened?
>
> >>>Nowadays once luxury cars are becoming the home of gurning dickheads
> >>>in baseball caps with not two GCSE's to rub together pumping out
> >>>thumping basslines.
>
> >>Ask Thatcher.
> > Surely you mean 'Fatcha', to use the ghastly Estuary English vernacular of
> > many of her detractors? Anyway, how can the behaviour of today's
> > deliberately inconsiderate pikey criminal types be blamed on her?
>
> Easy.
>
> She and her government turned the UK from an
> IMF-funded economic basket-case into a world where
> even (some of) the lower orders can afford BMWs (etc).
>
> There are some who will never forgive her for
> unbundling the "working class" into two or more
> distinct categories, thus wrecking their natural
> constituency and forcing them to behave (what is
> for them) unnaturally. And at the same time, she
> "cheapened" the trappings of success which they
> would have preferred to see reserved for trade
> union leaders.
>
> Let us leave aside the fact that driving a Merc or
> BMW, tasteless as some might regard it, is not a
> criminal action (yet).- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The groups that Thatcher created what are they? The undeservedly rich
and the undeservedly poor, and public service a dirty word? If this is
progress and improvement, then why does it all seem so repellent,
ugly, and generally awful? Surely we should be happier, and we don't
seem to be. Even Iran seems to be more staunch than we are. Nobody
here seems to make anything, and the only business to be in is estate
agency, selling ugly apartments to ugly rich alien crooks.
What will we do when we've sold it all? Where will we be?

Squashme wrote:
> On 12 Apr, 10:45, JNugent 
> wrote:
> 
>>eNautilus wrote:
>>
>>>"Brimstone"  wrote in message
>>>news:Pr-dnVU3kc7zSYbbRVnyiwA@bt.com...
>>
>>>>"PS"  wrote in message
>>>>news:1176228508.139336.63180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>>>There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
>>>>>Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
>>>>>road users.
>>
>>>>You're going back twenty years or so.
>>
>>>You need to go back further than that - 20 years ago these cars were being
>>>driven by that era's equivalent of the silly haircut and wraparound
>>>sunglasses combination.
>>
>>>>>What happened?
>>
>>>>>Nowadays once luxury cars are becoming the home of gurning dickheads
>>>>>in baseball caps with not two GCSE's to rub together pumping out
>>>>>thumping basslines.
>>
>>>>Ask Thatcher.
>>>
>>>Surely you mean 'Fatcha', to use the ghastly Estuary English vernacular of
>>>many of her detractors? Anyway, how can the behaviour of today's
>>>deliberately inconsiderate pikey criminal types be blamed on her?
>>
>>Easy.
>>
>>She and her government turned the UK from an
>>IMF-funded economic basket-case into a world where
>>even (some of) the lower orders can afford BMWs (etc).
>>
>>There are some who will never forgive her for
>>unbundling the "working class" into two or more
>>distinct categories, thus wrecking their natural
>>constituency and forcing them to behave (what is
>>for them) unnaturally. And at the same time, she
>>"cheapened" the trappings of success which they
>>would have preferred to see reserved for trade
>>union leaders.
>>
>>Let us leave aside the fact that driving a Merc or
>>BMW, tasteless as some might regard it, is not a
>>criminal action (yet).- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>- Show quoted text -
> 
> 
> The groups that Thatcher created what are they? The undeservedly rich
> and the undeservedly poor, and public service a dirty word? If this is
> progress and improvement, then why does it all seem so repellent,
> ugly, and generally awful? Surely we should be happier, and we don't
> seem to be. Even Iran seems to be more staunch than we are. Nobody
> here seems to make anything, and the only business to be in is estate
> agency, selling ugly apartments to ugly rich alien crooks.
> What will we do when we've sold it all? Where will we be?

Did you actually read what you responded to?

More to the point, did you understand it?

Squashme wrote:

> What will we do when we've sold it all? Where will we be?

Why, america, of course. Howdy partner! Mind the wretched refuse at the
door.

-- 
Comrade Otto Yamamoto
http://mryamamoto.50megs.com
Covering the Nation with Version!

On 12 Apr, 23:03, JNugent 
wrote:
> Squashmewrote:
> > On 12 Apr, 10:45, JNugent 
> > wrote:
>
> >>eNautilus wrote:
>
> >>>"Brimstone"  wrote in message
> >>>news:Pr-dnVU3kc7zSYbbRVnyiwA@bt.com...
>
> >>>>"PS"  wrote in message
> >>>>news:1176228508.139336.63180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>>>>There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
> >>>>>Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
> >>>>>road users.
>
> >>>>You're going back twenty years or so.
>
> >>>You need to go back further than that - 20 years ago these cars were being
> >>>driven by that era's equivalent of the silly haircut and wraparound
> >>>sunglasses combination.
>
> >>>>>What happened?
>
> >>>>>Nowadays once luxury cars are becoming the home of gurning dickheads
> >>>>>in baseball caps with not two GCSE's to rub together pumping out
> >>>>>thumping basslines.
>
> >>>>Ask Thatcher.
>
> >>>Surely you mean 'Fatcha', to use the ghastly Estuary English vernacular of
> >>>many of her detractors? Anyway, how can the behaviour of today's
> >>>deliberately inconsiderate pikey criminal types be blamed on her?
>
> >>Easy.
>
> >>She and her government turned the UK from an
> >>IMF-funded economic basket-case into a world where
> >>even (some of) the lower orders can afford BMWs (etc).
>
> >>There are some who will never forgive her for
> >>unbundling the "working class" into two or more
> >>distinct categories, thus wrecking their natural
> >>constituency and forcing them to behave (what is
> >>for them) unnaturally. And at the same time, she
> >>"cheapened" the trappings of success which they
> >>would have preferred to see reserved for trade
> >>union leaders.
>
> >>Let us leave aside the fact that driving a Merc or
> >>BMW, tasteless as some might regard it, is not a
> >>criminal action (yet).- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>- Show quoted text -
>
> > The groups that Thatcher created what are they? The undeservedly rich
> > and the undeservedly poor, and public service a dirty word? If this is
> > progress and improvement, then why does it all seem so repellent,
> > ugly, and generally awful? Surely we should be happier, and we don't
> > seem to be. Even Iran seems to be more staunch than we are. Nobody
> > here seems to make anything, and the only business to be in is estate
> > agency, selling ugly apartments to ugly rich alien crooks.
> > What will we do when we've sold it all? Where will we be?
>
> Did you actually read what you responded to?

I couldn't respond to it if I hadn't read it. Obviously.

>
> More to the point, did you understand it?

Again, I couldn't reply to it if I didn't understand it. You may wish
to differ.

On mature reflection, do you think that you managed to convey your
intended meaning adequately?

Hmmmm?

"PS"  wrote in message 
news:1176228508.139336.63180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
> Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
> road users.

You're going back twenty years or so.

>
> What happened?
>
> Nowadays once luxury cars are becoming the home of gurning dickheads
> in baseball caps with not two GCSE's to rub together pumping out
> thumping basslines.

Ask Thatcher.

"Brimstone"  wrote in message 
news:Pr-dnVU3kc7zSYbbRVnyiwA@bt.com...
>
> "PS"  wrote in message 
> news:1176228508.139336.63180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
>> Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
>> road users.
>
> You're going back twenty years or so.
>
>>
>> What happened?
>>
>> Nowadays once luxury cars are becoming the home of gurning dickheads
>> in baseball caps with not two GCSE's to rub together pumping out
>> thumping basslines.
>
> Ask Thatcher.

She no where to be seen :)

"Brimstone"  wrote in message 
news:Pr-dnVU3kc7zSYbbRVnyiwA@bt.com...
>
> "PS"  wrote in message 
> news:1176228508.139336.63180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
>> Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
>> road users.
>
> You're going back twenty years or so.

You need to go back further than that - 20 years ago these cars were being 
driven by that era's equivalent of the silly haircut and wraparound 
sunglasses combination.

>> What happened?
>>
>> Nowadays once luxury cars are becoming the home of gurning dickheads
>> in baseball caps with not two GCSE's to rub together pumping out
>> thumping basslines.
>
> Ask Thatcher.

Surely you mean 'Fatcha', to use the ghastly Estuary English vernacular of 
many of her detractors? Anyway, how can the behaviour of today's 
deliberately inconsiderate pikey criminal types be blamed on her?

"eNautilus" <GGNM@gd1934rsptcom> wrote:

> Surely you mean 'Fatcha', to use the ghastly Estuary English vernacular of
> many of her detractors?

I think you will find that ghastly Estuary English speakers formed the
main body of Thatcher's support.

eNautilus wrote:
> "Brimstone"  wrote in message 
> news:Pr-dnVU3kc7zSYbbRVnyiwA@bt.com...
> 
>>"PS"  wrote in message 
>>news:1176228508.139336.63180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
>>>Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
>>>road users.
>>
>>You're going back twenty years or so.
> 
> 
> You need to go back further than that - 20 years ago these cars were being 
> driven by that era's equivalent of the silly haircut and wraparound 
> sunglasses combination.
> 
> 
>>>What happened?
>>>
>>>Nowadays once luxury cars are becoming the home of gurning dickheads
>>>in baseball caps with not two GCSE's to rub together pumping out
>>>thumping basslines.
>>
>>Ask Thatcher.

> Surely you mean 'Fatcha', to use the ghastly Estuary English vernacular of 
> many of her detractors? Anyway, how can the behaviour of today's 
> deliberately inconsiderate pikey criminal types be blamed on her?

Easy.

She and her government turned the UK from an 
IMF-funded economic basket-case into a world where 
even (some of) the lower orders can afford BMWs (etc).

There are some who will never forgive her for 
unbundling the "working class" into two or more 
distinct categories, thus wrecking their natural 
constituency and forcing them to behave (what is 
for them) unnaturally. And at the same time, she 
"cheapened" the trappings of success which they 
would have preferred to see reserved for trade 
union leaders.

Let us leave aside the fact that driving a Merc or 
BMW, tasteless as some might regard it, is not a 
criminal action (yet).

On 12 Apr, 10:45, JNugent 
wrote:
> eNautilus wrote:
> > "Brimstone"  wrote in message
> >news:Pr-dnVU3kc7zSYbbRVnyiwA@bt.com...
>
> >>"PS"  wrote in message
> >>news:1176228508.139336.63180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>>There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
> >>>Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
> >>>road users.
>
> >>You're going back twenty years or so.
>
> > You need to go back further than that - 20 years ago these cars were being
> > driven by that era's equivalent of the silly haircut and wraparound
> > sunglasses combination.
>
> >>>What happened?
>
> >>>Nowadays once luxury cars are becoming the home of gurning dickheads
> >>>in baseball caps with not two GCSE's to rub together pumping out
> >>>thumping basslines.
>
> >>Ask Thatcher.
> > Surely you mean 'Fatcha', to use the ghastly Estuary English vernacular of
> > many of her detractors? Anyway, how can the behaviour of today's
> > deliberately inconsiderate pikey criminal types be blamed on her?
>
> Easy.
>
> She and her government turned the UK from an
> IMF-funded economic basket-case into a world where
> even (some of) the lower orders can afford BMWs (etc).
>
> There are some who will never forgive her for
> unbundling the "working class" into two or more
> distinct categories, thus wrecking their natural
> constituency and forcing them to behave (what is
> for them) unnaturally. And at the same time, she
> "cheapened" the trappings of success which they
> would have preferred to see reserved for trade
> union leaders.
>
> Let us leave aside the fact that driving a Merc or
> BMW, tasteless as some might regard it, is not a
> criminal action (yet).- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The groups that Thatcher created what are they? The undeservedly rich
and the undeservedly poor, and public service a dirty word? If this is
progress and improvement, then why does it all seem so repellent,
ugly, and generally awful? Surely we should be happier, and we don't
seem to be. Even Iran seems to be more staunch than we are. Nobody
here seems to make anything, and the only business to be in is estate
agency, selling ugly apartments to ugly rich alien crooks.
What will we do when we've sold it all? Where will we be?

Squashme wrote:
> On 12 Apr, 10:45, JNugent 
> wrote:
> 
>>eNautilus wrote:
>>
>>>"Brimstone"  wrote in message
>>>news:Pr-dnVU3kc7zSYbbRVnyiwA@bt.com...
>>
>>>>"PS"  wrote in message
>>>>news:1176228508.139336.63180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>>>There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
>>>>>Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
>>>>>road users.
>>
>>>>You're going back twenty years or so.
>>
>>>You need to go back further than that - 20 years ago these cars were being
>>>driven by that era's equivalent of the silly haircut and wraparound
>>>sunglasses combination.
>>
>>>>>What happened?
>>
>>>>>Nowadays once luxury cars are becoming the home of gurning dickheads
>>>>>in baseball caps with not two GCSE's to rub together pumping out
>>>>>thumping basslines.
>>
>>>>Ask Thatcher.
>>>
>>>Surely you mean 'Fatcha', to use the ghastly Estuary English vernacular of
>>>many of her detractors? Anyway, how can the behaviour of today's
>>>deliberately inconsiderate pikey criminal types be blamed on her?
>>
>>Easy.
>>
>>She and her government turned the UK from an
>>IMF-funded economic basket-case into a world where
>>even (some of) the lower orders can afford BMWs (etc).
>>
>>There are some who will never forgive her for
>>unbundling the "working class" into two or more
>>distinct categories, thus wrecking their natural
>>constituency and forcing them to behave (what is
>>for them) unnaturally. And at the same time, she
>>"cheapened" the trappings of success which they
>>would have preferred to see reserved for trade
>>union leaders.
>>
>>Let us leave aside the fact that driving a Merc or
>>BMW, tasteless as some might regard it, is not a
>>criminal action (yet).- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>- Show quoted text -
> 
> 
> The groups that Thatcher created what are they? The undeservedly rich
> and the undeservedly poor, and public service a dirty word? If this is
> progress and improvement, then why does it all seem so repellent,
> ugly, and generally awful? Surely we should be happier, and we don't
> seem to be. Even Iran seems to be more staunch than we are. Nobody
> here seems to make anything, and the only business to be in is estate
> agency, selling ugly apartments to ugly rich alien crooks.
> What will we do when we've sold it all? Where will we be?

Did you actually read what you responded to?

More to the point, did you understand it?

Squashme wrote:

> What will we do when we've sold it all? Where will we be?

Why, america, of course. Howdy partner! Mind the wretched refuse at the
door.

-- 
Comrade Otto Yamamoto
http://mryamamoto.50megs.com
Covering the Nation with Version!

On 12 Apr, 23:03, JNugent 
wrote:
> Squashmewrote:
> > On 12 Apr, 10:45, JNugent 
> > wrote:
>
> >>eNautilus wrote:
>
> >>>"Brimstone"  wrote in message
> >>>news:Pr-dnVU3kc7zSYbbRVnyiwA@bt.com...
>
> >>>>"PS"  wrote in message
> >>>>news:1176228508.139336.63180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>>>>There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
> >>>>>Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
> >>>>>road users.
>
> >>>>You're going back twenty years or so.
>
> >>>You need to go back further than that - 20 years ago these cars were being
> >>>driven by that era's equivalent of the silly haircut and wraparound
> >>>sunglasses combination.
>
> >>>>>What happened?
>
> >>>>>Nowadays once luxury cars are becoming the home of gurning dickheads
> >>>>>in baseball caps with not two GCSE's to rub together pumping out
> >>>>>thumping basslines.
>
> >>>>Ask Thatcher.
>
> >>>Surely you mean 'Fatcha', to use the ghastly Estuary English vernacular of
> >>>many of her detractors? Anyway, how can the behaviour of today's
> >>>deliberately inconsiderate pikey criminal types be blamed on her?
>
> >>Easy.
>
> >>She and her government turned the UK from an
> >>IMF-funded economic basket-case into a world where
> >>even (some of) the lower orders can afford BMWs (etc).
>
> >>There are some who will never forgive her for
> >>unbundling the "working class" into two or more
> >>distinct categories, thus wrecking their natural
> >>constituency and forcing them to behave (what is
> >>for them) unnaturally. And at the same time, she
> >>"cheapened" the trappings of success which they
> >>would have preferred to see reserved for trade
> >>union leaders.
>
> >>Let us leave aside the fact that driving a Merc or
> >>BMW, tasteless as some might regard it, is not a
> >>criminal action (yet).- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>- Show quoted text -
>
> > The groups that Thatcher created what are they? The undeservedly rich
> > and the undeservedly poor, and public service a dirty word? If this is
> > progress and improvement, then why does it all seem so repellent,
> > ugly, and generally awful? Surely we should be happier, and we don't
> > seem to be. Even Iran seems to be more staunch than we are. Nobody
> > here seems to make anything, and the only business to be in is estate
> > agency, selling ugly apartments to ugly rich alien crooks.
> > What will we do when we've sold it all? Where will we be?
>
> Did you actually read what you responded to?

I couldn't respond to it if I hadn't read it. Obviously.

>
> More to the point, did you understand it?

Again, I couldn't reply to it if I didn't understand it. You may wish
to differ.

On mature reflection, do you think that you managed to convey your
intended meaning adequately?

Hmmmm?

"PS"  wrote in message 
news:1176228508.139336.63180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
> Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
> road users.

You're going back twenty years or so.

>
> What happened?
>
> Nowadays once luxury cars are becoming the home of gurning dickheads
> in baseball caps with not two GCSE's to rub together pumping out
> thumping basslines.

Ask Thatcher.

"Brimstone"  wrote in message 
news:Pr-dnVU3kc7zSYbbRVnyiwA@bt.com...
>
> "PS"  wrote in message 
> news:1176228508.139336.63180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
>> Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
>> road users.
>
> You're going back twenty years or so.
>
>>
>> What happened?
>>
>> Nowadays once luxury cars are becoming the home of gurning dickheads
>> in baseball caps with not two GCSE's to rub together pumping out
>> thumping basslines.
>
> Ask Thatcher.

She no where to be seen :)

"Brimstone"  wrote in message 
news:Pr-dnVU3kc7zSYbbRVnyiwA@bt.com...
>
> "PS"  wrote in message 
> news:1176228508.139336.63180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
>> Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
>> road users.
>
> You're going back twenty years or so.

You need to go back further than that - 20 years ago these cars were being 
driven by that era's equivalent of the silly haircut and wraparound 
sunglasses combination.

>> What happened?
>>
>> Nowadays once luxury cars are becoming the home of gurning dickheads
>> in baseball caps with not two GCSE's to rub together pumping out
>> thumping basslines.
>
> Ask Thatcher.

Surely you mean 'Fatcha', to use the ghastly Estuary English vernacular of 
many of her detractors? Anyway, how can the behaviour of today's 
deliberately inconsiderate pikey criminal types be blamed on her?

"eNautilus" <GGNM@gd1934rsptcom> wrote:

> Surely you mean 'Fatcha', to use the ghastly Estuary English vernacular of
> many of her detractors?

I think you will find that ghastly Estuary English speakers formed the
main body of Thatcher's support.

eNautilus wrote:
> "Brimstone"  wrote in message 
> news:Pr-dnVU3kc7zSYbbRVnyiwA@bt.com...
> 
>>"PS"  wrote in message 
>>news:1176228508.139336.63180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
>>>Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
>>>road users.
>>
>>You're going back twenty years or so.
> 
> 
> You need to go back further than that - 20 years ago these cars were being 
> driven by that era's equivalent of the silly haircut and wraparound 
> sunglasses combination.
> 
> 
>>>What happened?
>>>
>>>Nowadays once luxury cars are becoming the home of gurning dickheads
>>>in baseball caps with not two GCSE's to rub together pumping out
>>>thumping basslines.
>>
>>Ask Thatcher.

> Surely you mean 'Fatcha', to use the ghastly Estuary English vernacular of 
> many of her detractors? Anyway, how can the behaviour of today's 
> deliberately inconsiderate pikey criminal types be blamed on her?

Easy.

She and her government turned the UK from an 
IMF-funded economic basket-case into a world where 
even (some of) the lower orders can afford BMWs (etc).

There are some who will never forgive her for 
unbundling the "working class" into two or more 
distinct categories, thus wrecking their natural 
constituency and forcing them to behave (what is 
for them) unnaturally. And at the same time, she 
"cheapened" the trappings of success which they 
would have preferred to see reserved for trade 
union leaders.

Let us leave aside the fact that driving a Merc or 
BMW, tasteless as some might regard it, is not a 
criminal action (yet).

On 12 Apr, 10:45, JNugent 
wrote:
> eNautilus wrote:
> > "Brimstone"  wrote in message
> >news:Pr-dnVU3kc7zSYbbRVnyiwA@bt.com...
>
> >>"PS"  wrote in message
> >>news:1176228508.139336.63180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>>There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
> >>>Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
> >>>road users.
>
> >>You're going back twenty years or so.
>
> > You need to go back further than that - 20 years ago these cars were being
> > driven by that era's equivalent of the silly haircut and wraparound
> > sunglasses combination.
>
> >>>What happened?
>
> >>>Nowadays once luxury cars are becoming the home of gurning dickheads
> >>>in baseball caps with not two GCSE's to rub together pumping out
> >>>thumping basslines.
>
> >>Ask Thatcher.
> > Surely you mean 'Fatcha', to use the ghastly Estuary English vernacular of
> > many of her detractors? Anyway, how can the behaviour of today's
> > deliberately inconsiderate pikey criminal types be blamed on her?
>
> Easy.
>
> She and her government turned the UK from an
> IMF-funded economic basket-case into a world where
> even (some of) the lower orders can afford BMWs (etc).
>
> There are some who will never forgive her for
> unbundling the "working class" into two or more
> distinct categories, thus wrecking their natural
> constituency and forcing them to behave (what is
> for them) unnaturally. And at the same time, she
> "cheapened" the trappings of success which they
> would have preferred to see reserved for trade
> union leaders.
>
> Let us leave aside the fact that driving a Merc or
> BMW, tasteless as some might regard it, is not a
> criminal action (yet).- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The groups that Thatcher created what are they? The undeservedly rich
and the undeservedly poor, and public service a dirty word? If this is
progress and improvement, then why does it all seem so repellent,
ugly, and generally awful? Surely we should be happier, and we don't
seem to be. Even Iran seems to be more staunch than we are. Nobody
here seems to make anything, and the only business to be in is estate
agency, selling ugly apartments to ugly rich alien crooks.
What will we do when we've sold it all? Where will we be?

Squashme wrote:
> On 12 Apr, 10:45, JNugent 
> wrote:
> 
>>eNautilus wrote:
>>
>>>"Brimstone"  wrote in message
>>>news:Pr-dnVU3kc7zSYbbRVnyiwA@bt.com...
>>
>>>>"PS"  wrote in message
>>>>news:1176228508.139336.63180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>>>There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
>>>>>Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
>>>>>road users.
>>
>>>>You're going back twenty years or so.
>>
>>>You need to go back further than that - 20 years ago these cars were being
>>>driven by that era's equivalent of the silly haircut and wraparound
>>>sunglasses combination.
>>
>>>>>What happened?
>>
>>>>>Nowadays once luxury cars are becoming the home of gurning dickheads
>>>>>in baseball caps with not two GCSE's to rub together pumping out
>>>>>thumping basslines.
>>
>>>>Ask Thatcher.
>>>
>>>Surely you mean 'Fatcha', to use the ghastly Estuary English vernacular of
>>>many of her detractors? Anyway, how can the behaviour of today's
>>>deliberately inconsiderate pikey criminal types be blamed on her?
>>
>>Easy.
>>
>>She and her government turned the UK from an
>>IMF-funded economic basket-case into a world where
>>even (some of) the lower orders can afford BMWs (etc).
>>
>>There are some who will never forgive her for
>>unbundling the "working class" into two or more
>>distinct categories, thus wrecking their natural
>>constituency and forcing them to behave (what is
>>for them) unnaturally. And at the same time, she
>>"cheapened" the trappings of success which they
>>would have preferred to see reserved for trade
>>union leaders.
>>
>>Let us leave aside the fact that driving a Merc or
>>BMW, tasteless as some might regard it, is not a
>>criminal action (yet).- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>- Show quoted text -
> 
> 
> The groups that Thatcher created what are they? The undeservedly rich
> and the undeservedly poor, and public service a dirty word? If this is
> progress and improvement, then why does it all seem so repellent,
> ugly, and generally awful? Surely we should be happier, and we don't
> seem to be. Even Iran seems to be more staunch than we are. Nobody
> here seems to make anything, and the only business to be in is estate
> agency, selling ugly apartments to ugly rich alien crooks.
> What will we do when we've sold it all? Where will we be?

Did you actually read what you responded to?

More to the point, did you understand it?

Squashme wrote:

> What will we do when we've sold it all? Where will we be?

Why, america, of course. Howdy partner! Mind the wretched refuse at the
door.

-- 
Comrade Otto Yamamoto
http://mryamamoto.50megs.com
Covering the Nation with Version!

On 12 Apr, 23:03, JNugent 
wrote:
> Squashmewrote:
> > On 12 Apr, 10:45, JNugent 
> > wrote:
>
> >>eNautilus wrote:
>
> >>>"Brimstone"  wrote in message
> >>>news:Pr-dnVU3kc7zSYbbRVnyiwA@bt.com...
>
> >>>>"PS"  wrote in message
> >>>>news:1176228508.139336.63180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>>>>There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
> >>>>>Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
> >>>>>road users.
>
> >>>>You're going back twenty years or so.
>
> >>>You need to go back further than that - 20 years ago these cars were being
> >>>driven by that era's equivalent of the silly haircut and wraparound
> >>>sunglasses combination.
>
> >>>>>What happened?
>
> >>>>>Nowadays once luxury cars are becoming the home of gurning dickheads
> >>>>>in baseball caps with not two GCSE's to rub together pumping out
> >>>>>thumping basslines.
>
> >>>>Ask Thatcher.
>
> >>>Surely you mean 'Fatcha', to use the ghastly Estuary English vernacular of
> >>>many of her detractors? Anyway, how can the behaviour of today's
> >>>deliberately inconsiderate pikey criminal types be blamed on her?
>
> >>Easy.
>
> >>She and her government turned the UK from an
> >>IMF-funded economic basket-case into a world where
> >>even (some of) the lower orders can afford BMWs (etc).
>
> >>There are some who will never forgive her for
> >>unbundling the "working class" into two or more
> >>distinct categories, thus wrecking their natural
> >>constituency and forcing them to behave (what is
> >>for them) unnaturally. And at the same time, she
> >>"cheapened" the trappings of success which they
> >>would have preferred to see reserved for trade
> >>union leaders.
>
> >>Let us leave aside the fact that driving a Merc or
> >>BMW, tasteless as some might regard it, is not a
> >>criminal action (yet).- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>- Show quoted text -
>
> > The groups that Thatcher created what are they? The undeservedly rich
> > and the undeservedly poor, and public service a dirty word? If this is
> > progress and improvement, then why does it all seem so repellent,
> > ugly, and generally awful? Surely we should be happier, and we don't
> > seem to be. Even Iran seems to be more staunch than we are. Nobody
> > here seems to make anything, and the only business to be in is estate
> > agency, selling ugly apartments to ugly rich alien crooks.
> > What will we do when we've sold it all? Where will we be?
>
> Did you actually read what you responded to?

I couldn't respond to it if I hadn't read it. Obviously.

>
> More to the point, did you understand it?

Again, I couldn't reply to it if I didn't understand it. You may wish
to differ.

On mature reflection, do you think that you managed to convey your
intended meaning adequately?

Hmmmm?

"PS"  wrote in message 
news:1176228508.139336.63180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
> Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
> road users.

You're going back twenty years or so.

>
> What happened?
>
> Nowadays once luxury cars are becoming the home of gurning dickheads
> in baseball caps with not two GCSE's to rub together pumping out
> thumping basslines.

Ask Thatcher.

"Brimstone"  wrote in message 
news:Pr-dnVU3kc7zSYbbRVnyiwA@bt.com...
>
> "PS"  wrote in message 
> news:1176228508.139336.63180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
>> Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
>> road users.
>
> You're going back twenty years or so.
>
>>
>> What happened?
>>
>> Nowadays once luxury cars are becoming the home of gurning dickheads
>> in baseball caps with not two GCSE's to rub together pumping out
>> thumping basslines.
>
> Ask Thatcher.

She no where to be seen :)

"Brimstone"  wrote in message 
news:Pr-dnVU3kc7zSYbbRVnyiwA@bt.com...
>
> "PS"  wrote in message 
> news:1176228508.139336.63180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
>> Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
>> road users.
>
> You're going back twenty years or so.

You need to go back further than that - 20 years ago these cars were being 
driven by that era's equivalent of the silly haircut and wraparound 
sunglasses combination.

>> What happened?
>>
>> Nowadays once luxury cars are becoming the home of gurning dickheads
>> in baseball caps with not two GCSE's to rub together pumping out
>> thumping basslines.
>
> Ask Thatcher.

Surely you mean 'Fatcha', to use the ghastly Estuary English vernacular of 
many of her detractors? Anyway, how can the behaviour of today's 
deliberately inconsiderate pikey criminal types be blamed on her?

"eNautilus" <GGNM@gd1934rsptcom> wrote:

> Surely you mean 'Fatcha', to use the ghastly Estuary English vernacular of
> many of her detractors?

I think you will find that ghastly Estuary English speakers formed the
main body of Thatcher's support.

eNautilus wrote:
> "Brimstone"  wrote in message 
> news:Pr-dnVU3kc7zSYbbRVnyiwA@bt.com...
> 
>>"PS"  wrote in message 
>>news:1176228508.139336.63180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
>>>Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
>>>road users.
>>
>>You're going back twenty years or so.
> 
> 
> You need to go back further than that - 20 years ago these cars were being 
> driven by that era's equivalent of the silly haircut and wraparound 
> sunglasses combination.
> 
> 
>>>What happened?
>>>
>>>Nowadays once luxury cars are becoming the home of gurning dickheads
>>>in baseball caps with not two GCSE's to rub together pumping out
>>>thumping basslines.
>>
>>Ask Thatcher.

> Surely you mean 'Fatcha', to use the ghastly Estuary English vernacular of 
> many of her detractors? Anyway, how can the behaviour of today's 
> deliberately inconsiderate pikey criminal types be blamed on her?

Easy.

She and her government turned the UK from an 
IMF-funded economic basket-case into a world where 
even (some of) the lower orders can afford BMWs (etc).

There are some who will never forgive her for 
unbundling the "working class" into two or more 
distinct categories, thus wrecking their natural 
constituency and forcing them to behave (what is 
for them) unnaturally. And at the same time, she 
"cheapened" the trappings of success which they 
would have preferred to see reserved for trade 
union leaders.

Let us leave aside the fact that driving a Merc or 
BMW, tasteless as some might regard it, is not a 
criminal action (yet).

On 12 Apr, 10:45, JNugent 
wrote:
> eNautilus wrote:
> > "Brimstone"  wrote in message
> >news:Pr-dnVU3kc7zSYbbRVnyiwA@bt.com...
>
> >>"PS"  wrote in message
> >>news:1176228508.139336.63180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>>There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
> >>>Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
> >>>road users.
>
> >>You're going back twenty years or so.
>
> > You need to go back further than that - 20 years ago these cars were being
> > driven by that era's equivalent of the silly haircut and wraparound
> > sunglasses combination.
>
> >>>What happened?
>
> >>>Nowadays once luxury cars are becoming the home of gurning dickheads
> >>>in baseball caps with not two GCSE's to rub together pumping out
> >>>thumping basslines.
>
> >>Ask Thatcher.
> > Surely you mean 'Fatcha', to use the ghastly Estuary English vernacular of
> > many of her detractors? Anyway, how can the behaviour of today's
> > deliberately inconsiderate pikey criminal types be blamed on her?
>
> Easy.
>
> She and her government turned the UK from an
> IMF-funded economic basket-case into a world where
> even (some of) the lower orders can afford BMWs (etc).
>
> There are some who will never forgive her for
> unbundling the "working class" into two or more
> distinct categories, thus wrecking their natural
> constituency and forcing them to behave (what is
> for them) unnaturally. And at the same time, she
> "cheapened" the trappings of success which they
> would have preferred to see reserved for trade
> union leaders.
>
> Let us leave aside the fact that driving a Merc or
> BMW, tasteless as some might regard it, is not a
> criminal action (yet).- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The groups that Thatcher created what are they? The undeservedly rich
and the undeservedly poor, and public service a dirty word? If this is
progress and improvement, then why does it all seem so repellent,
ugly, and generally awful? Surely we should be happier, and we don't
seem to be. Even Iran seems to be more staunch than we are. Nobody
here seems to make anything, and the only business to be in is estate
agency, selling ugly apartments to ugly rich alien crooks.
What will we do when we've sold it all? Where will we be?

Squashme wrote:
> On 12 Apr, 10:45, JNugent 
> wrote:
> 
>>eNautilus wrote:
>>
>>>"Brimstone"  wrote in message
>>>news:Pr-dnVU3kc7zSYbbRVnyiwA@bt.com...
>>
>>>>"PS"  wrote in message
>>>>news:1176228508.139336.63180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>>>There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
>>>>>Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
>>>>>road users.
>>
>>>>You're going back twenty years or so.
>>
>>>You need to go back further than that - 20 years ago these cars were being
>>>driven by that era's equivalent of the silly haircut and wraparound
>>>sunglasses combination.
>>
>>>>>What happened?
>>
>>>>>Nowadays once luxury cars are becoming the home of gurning dickheads
>>>>>in baseball caps with not two GCSE's to rub together pumping out
>>>>>thumping basslines.
>>
>>>>Ask Thatcher.
>>>
>>>Surely you mean 'Fatcha', to use the ghastly Estuary English vernacular of
>>>many of her detractors? Anyway, how can the behaviour of today's
>>>deliberately inconsiderate pikey criminal types be blamed on her?
>>
>>Easy.
>>
>>She and her government turned the UK from an
>>IMF-funded economic basket-case into a world where
>>even (some of) the lower orders can afford BMWs (etc).
>>
>>There are some who will never forgive her for
>>unbundling the "working class" into two or more
>>distinct categories, thus wrecking their natural
>>constituency and forcing them to behave (what is
>>for them) unnaturally. And at the same time, she
>>"cheapened" the trappings of success which they
>>would have preferred to see reserved for trade
>>union leaders.
>>
>>Let us leave aside the fact that driving a Merc or
>>BMW, tasteless as some might regard it, is not a
>>criminal action (yet).- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>- Show quoted text -
> 
> 
> The groups that Thatcher created what are they? The undeservedly rich
> and the undeservedly poor, and public service a dirty word? If this is
> progress and improvement, then why does it all seem so repellent,
> ugly, and generally awful? Surely we should be happier, and we don't
> seem to be. Even Iran seems to be more staunch than we are. Nobody
> here seems to make anything, and the only business to be in is estate
> agency, selling ugly apartments to ugly rich alien crooks.
> What will we do when we've sold it all? Where will we be?

Did you actually read what you responded to?

More to the point, did you understand it?

Squashme wrote:

> What will we do when we've sold it all? Where will we be?

Why, america, of course. Howdy partner! Mind the wretched refuse at the
door.

-- 
Comrade Otto Yamamoto
http://mryamamoto.50megs.com
Covering the Nation with Version!

On 12 Apr, 23:03, JNugent 
wrote:
> Squashmewrote:
> > On 12 Apr, 10:45, JNugent 
> > wrote:
>
> >>eNautilus wrote:
>
> >>>"Brimstone"  wrote in message
> >>>news:Pr-dnVU3kc7zSYbbRVnyiwA@bt.com...
>
> >>>>"PS"  wrote in message
> >>>>news:1176228508.139336.63180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>>>>There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
> >>>>>Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
> >>>>>road users.
>
> >>>>You're going back twenty years or so.
>
> >>>You need to go back further than that - 20 years ago these cars were being
> >>>driven by that era's equivalent of the silly haircut and wraparound
> >>>sunglasses combination.
>
> >>>>>What happened?
>
> >>>>>Nowadays once luxury cars are becoming the home of gurning dickheads
> >>>>>in baseball caps with not two GCSE's to rub together pumping out
> >>>>>thumping basslines.
>
> >>>>Ask Thatcher.
>
> >>>Surely you mean 'Fatcha', to use the ghastly Estuary English vernacular of
> >>>many of her detractors? Anyway, how can the behaviour of today's
> >>>deliberately inconsiderate pikey criminal types be blamed on her?
>
> >>Easy.
>
> >>She and her government turned the UK from an
> >>IMF-funded economic basket-case into a world where
> >>even (some of) the lower orders can afford BMWs (etc).
>
> >>There are some who will never forgive her for
> >>unbundling the "working class" into two or more
> >>distinct categories, thus wrecking their natural
> >>constituency and forcing them to behave (what is
> >>for them) unnaturally. And at the same time, she
> >>"cheapened" the trappings of success which they
> >>would have preferred to see reserved for trade
> >>union leaders.
>
> >>Let us leave aside the fact that driving a Merc or
> >>BMW, tasteless as some might regard it, is not a
> >>criminal action (yet).- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>- Show quoted text -
>
> > The groups that Thatcher created what are they? The undeservedly rich
> > and the undeservedly poor, and public service a dirty word? If this is
> > progress and improvement, then why does it all seem so repellent,
> > ugly, and generally awful? Surely we should be happier, and we don't
> > seem to be. Even Iran seems to be more staunch than we are. Nobody
> > here seems to make anything, and the only business to be in is estate
> > agency, selling ugly apartments to ugly rich alien crooks.
> > What will we do when we've sold it all? Where will we be?
>
> Did you actually read what you responded to?

I couldn't respond to it if I hadn't read it. Obviously.

>
> More to the point, did you understand it?

Again, I couldn't reply to it if I didn't understand it. You may wish
to differ.

On mature reflection, do you think that you managed to convey your
intended meaning adequately?

Hmmmm?

"PS"  wrote in message 
news:1176228508.139336.63180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
> Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
> road users.

You're going back twenty years or so.

>
> What happened?
>
> Nowadays once luxury cars are becoming the home of gurning dickheads
> in baseball caps with not two GCSE's to rub together pumping out
> thumping basslines.

Ask Thatcher.

"Brimstone"  wrote in message 
news:Pr-dnVU3kc7zSYbbRVnyiwA@bt.com...
>
> "PS"  wrote in message 
> news:1176228508.139336.63180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
>> Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
>> road users.
>
> You're going back twenty years or so.
>
>>
>> What happened?
>>
>> Nowadays once luxury cars are becoming the home of gurning dickheads
>> in baseball caps with not two GCSE's to rub together pumping out
>> thumping basslines.
>
> Ask Thatcher.

She no where to be seen :)

"Brimstone"  wrote in message 
news:Pr-dnVU3kc7zSYbbRVnyiwA@bt.com...
>
> "PS"  wrote in message 
> news:1176228508.139336.63180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
>> Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
>> road users.
>
> You're going back twenty years or so.

You need to go back further than that - 20 years ago these cars were being 
driven by that era's equivalent of the silly haircut and wraparound 
sunglasses combination.

>> What happened?
>>
>> Nowadays once luxury cars are becoming the home of gurning dickheads
>> in baseball caps with not two GCSE's to rub together pumping out
>> thumping basslines.
>
> Ask Thatcher.

Surely you mean 'Fatcha', to use the ghastly Estuary English vernacular of 
many of her detractors? Anyway, how can the behaviour of today's 
deliberately inconsiderate pikey criminal types be blamed on her?

"eNautilus" <GGNM@gd1934rsptcom> wrote:

> Surely you mean 'Fatcha', to use the ghastly Estuary English vernacular of
> many of her detractors?

I think you will find that ghastly Estuary English speakers formed the
main body of Thatcher's support.

eNautilus wrote:
> "Brimstone"  wrote in message 
> news:Pr-dnVU3kc7zSYbbRVnyiwA@bt.com...
> 
>>"PS"  wrote in message 
>>news:1176228508.139336.63180@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>There was once a time when you could drive next to a BMW, Porsche or
>>>Mercedes and expect it to contain a mature driver who respected other
>>>road users.
>>
>>You're going back twenty years or so.
> 
> 
> Y