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date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:51:44 +0000,    group: uk.rec.cars.classic        back       
Banger or classic? Acid test.   
My current daily driver developed a slight squeal a couple of days
ago. Probably the alternator belt, might just be something in the new
clutch. It's been raining or snowing, so I haven't got round to
looking. Shortly after I set off this morning, the noise stopped.

Now, what would your reaction have been?

"Oh good, it's cleared!"

or

"Oh fcuk, it's fallen off!"

-- 

Ian D
date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 16:51:44 +0000   author:   Ian Dalziel

Re: Banger or classic? Acid test.   
"Ian Dalziel"  wrote in message 
news:18j6q3pvboq963pu2o403cm3hsn8841e3u@4ax.com...
> My current daily driver developed a slight squeal a couple of days
> ago. Probably the alternator belt, might just be something in the new
> clutch. It's been raining or snowing, so I haven't got round to
> looking. Shortly after I set off this morning, the noise stopped.
>
> Now, what would your reaction have been?
>
> "Oh good, it's cleared!"

That one...

Mike P
date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 17:04:26 -0000   author:   Mike P

Re: Banger or classic? Acid test.   
HI All

On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 17:04:26 -0000, "Mike P" 
wrote:

>
>"Ian Dalziel"  wrote in message 
>news:18j6q3pvboq963pu2o403cm3hsn8841e3u@4ax.com...
>> My current daily driver developed a slight squeal a couple of days
>> ago. Probably the alternator belt, might just be something in the new
>> clutch. It's been raining or snowing, so I haven't got round to
>> looking. Shortly after I set off this morning, the noise stopped.
>>
>> Now, what would your reaction have been?
>>
>> "Oh good, it's cleared!"
>
>That one...
>
>Mike P 
>

Had to grin at this !

We've been having sporadic snow showers over here on the South-West
coast of Ireland. Shocked my '64 Morris Traveller so much that the
windscreen wipers stopped in mid-wipe !

Was fearing the worst when my dear wife said - You've just filled up
with petrol, so why's the fuel gauge on 'E' ?

Aha - fuse blown !
(There's only 2 in the Mog - this one does fuel gauge, horn,
indicators, wipers)

Turned out the fuse hadn't actually blown - but the fuse 'wire' had
parted company from one of the end-caps - very odd !

Luckily, the local car spares shop had a box-full of 1,25" glass fuses
- so all sorted now - about £1.50 including a few spares <g>.

But, it made me think - I wonder if it's worthwhile attempting
something a bit more 'modern' with the fusing arrangements - and
adding a couple more fuses to save 'everything' from going at the same
time. 
What would you do ??

Adrian - West Cork, Ireland
date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:16:18 +0000   author:   Adrian

Re: Banger or classic? Acid test.   
In article ,
   Adrian  wrote:
> But, it made me think - I wonder if it's worthwhile attempting something
> a bit more 'modern' with the fusing arrangements - and adding a couple
> more fuses to save 'everything' from going at the same time. What would
> you do ??

It would be a fairly major re-wire to add separate circuits for
everything, but yes it would be a good idea. I'd also 'fuse' the circuits
that currently aren't.

-- 
*Why isn't 11 pronounced onety one? *

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.
date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:41:06 +0000 (GMT)   author:   Dave Plowman (News)

Re: Banger or classic? Acid test.   
HI Dave

On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:41:06 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
 wrote:

>In article ,
>   Adrian  wrote:
>> But, it made me think - I wonder if it's worthwhile attempting something
>> a bit more 'modern' with the fusing arrangements - and adding a couple
>> more fuses to save 'everything' from going at the same time. What would
>> you do ??
>
>It would be a fairly major re-wire to add separate circuits for
>everything, but yes it would be a good idea. I'd also 'fuse' the circuits
>that currently aren't.

Thanks for the reply....

Actually, it might not be such a complicated thing - as the 35A fuse
currently has three separate wires coming into it from the wiring loom
- so there's a fighting chance that each wire feeds a distinct
'device' (like horn, lights etc).

I had an old Honda motorbike many years ago - which had just the one
fuse for 'everything'. Sadly, this meant that, when the headlamp
dip-switch shorted out (usually in the rain!) you lost 'everything -
and usually ended up in the hedge. Nasty !

On a warmer day I might have a look at where the loom goes -
the Mog has an alternator 'retro-fitted' - so the redundant voltage
regulator box could be removed - and the spare space be used for a
multi-fuse-box.

Best to go with a modern box from the scrappie, do you think ? - or do
you know anywhere that sells a fusebox that takes 'vintage' 1.25"
fuses ??

I wouldn't have minded about it so much - but I've got a weekend away
in Cork city at a show - and the weather doesn't look too kindly for
the weekend.....

Adrian
date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:10:55 +0000   author:   Adrian

Re: Banger or classic? Acid test.   
On 1 Feb, 17:16, Adrian  wrote:

> But, it made me think - I wonder if it's worthwhile attempting
> something a bit more 'modern' with the fusing arrangements - and
> adding a couple more fuses to save 'everything' from going at the same
> time.
> What would you do ??

Fuses are for wimps. 1/4" copper bar doesn't give the same problems,
and no British classic has wiring good enough to get hot enough to
burn,

My DS has RHD wiring, which means it has eight fuses in two boxes.
Unfortunately /nobody/ knows what they are supposed to do, officially,
as no RHD wiring diagrams are available.

Ian
date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 11:50:30 -0800 (PST)   author:   Ian

Re: Banger or classic? Acid test.   
HI Ian

On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 11:50:30 -0800 (PST), Ian
 wrote:

>On 1 Feb, 17:16, Adrian  wrote:
>
>> But, it made me think - I wonder if it's worthwhile attempting
>> something a bit more 'modern' with the fusing arrangements - and
>> adding a couple more fuses to save 'everything' from going at the same
>> time.
>> What would you do ??
>
>Fuses are for wimps. 1/4" copper bar doesn't give the same problems,
>and no British classic has wiring good enough to get hot enough to
>burn,

<g> - or at least, I hope you're joking.....
 

>
>My DS has RHD wiring, which means it has eight fuses in two boxes.
>Unfortunately /nobody/ knows what they are supposed to do, officially,
>as no RHD wiring diagrams are available.
>

Sorry - don't know what a DS is - enlighten me ?
True - it does help to know which fuse does what...

Adrian
date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:11:12 +0000   author:   Adrian

Re: Banger or classic? Acid test.   
On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:11:12 +0000, Adrian 
wrote:

>Sorry - don't know what a DS is - enlighten me ?

Heh. OK - that clears up which Adrian you are.
Although not which Ian we are...
http://www.citroen.mb.ca/citroenet/passenger-cars/michelin/ds/ds-index.html


-- 

Ian D
date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:27:29 +0000   author:   Ian Dalziel

Re: Banger or classic? Acid test.   
Adrian (Adrian ) gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying:

> Sorry - don't know what a DS is - enlighten me ?
>
> Adrian

He is not me. He is the anti-me.
date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 20:57:14 +0000 (UTC)   author:   Adrian

Re: Banger or classic? Acid test.   
Hi Ian

On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:27:29 +0000, Ian Dalziel
 wrote:

>On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 20:11:12 +0000, Adrian 
>wrote:
>
>>Sorry - don't know what a DS is - enlighten me ?
>
>Heh. OK - that clears up which Adrian you are.
>Although not which Ian we are...
>http://www.citroen.mb.ca/citroenet/passenger-cars/michelin/ds/ds-index.html

Ah right - now I understand <g>

Adrian
date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 21:00:16 +0000   author:   Adrian

Re: Banger or classic? Acid test.   
On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:10:55 +0000, Adrian 
wrote:

>HI Dave
>
>On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:41:06 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
> wrote:
>
>>In article ,
>>   Adrian  wrote:
>>> But, it made me think - I wonder if it's worthwhile attempting something
>>> a bit more 'modern' with the fusing arrangements - and adding a couple
>>> more fuses to save 'everything' from going at the same time. What would
>>> you do ??
>>
>>It would be a fairly major re-wire to add separate circuits for
>>everything, but yes it would be a good idea. I'd also 'fuse' the circuits
>>that currently aren't.
>
>Thanks for the reply....
>
>Actually, it might not be such a complicated thing - as the 35A fuse
>currently has three separate wires coming into it from the wiring loom
>- so there's a fighting chance that each wire feeds a distinct
>'device' (like horn, lights etc).
>
>I had an old Honda motorbike many years ago - which had just the one
>fuse for 'everything'. Sadly, this meant that, when the headlamp
>dip-switch shorted out (usually in the rain!) you lost 'everything -
>and usually ended up in the hedge. Nasty !
>
>On a warmer day I might have a look at where the loom goes -
>the Mog has an alternator 'retro-fitted' - so the redundant voltage
>regulator box could be removed - and the spare space be used for a
>multi-fuse-box.
>
>Best to go with a modern box from the scrappie, do you think ? - or do
>you know anywhere that sells a fusebox that takes 'vintage' 1.25"
>fuses ??
>
I'd go with a modern box that takes modern blade fuses - much more
reliable. Have a look at
http://www.vehicle-wiring-products.eu/VWP-onlinestore/fuses/holders1.php
- I fitted a pair of FBB8Ts in my VW to replace the nasty old fusebox
recently. My Minis will be getting similar treatment in the near future!
-- 
Regards,  Chris    (Please take out my car to reply by plain text email)     
------1967 Riley Elf------1978 Mini 1000------1971 Mini Clubman------
--1972 Mini Clubman estate--1979 Ford Capri--1984 VW Type 25 camper--
date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 21:49:41 GMT   author:   Chris Bolus

Re: Banger or classic? Acid test.   
HI Chris

On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 21:49:41 GMT, Chris Bolus
 wrote:

>On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:10:55 +0000, Adrian 
>wrote:
>
>>HI Dave
>>
>>On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 17:41:06 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
>> wrote:
>>
>>>In article ,
>>>   Adrian  wrote:
>>>> But, it made me think - I wonder if it's worthwhile attempting something
>>>> a bit more 'modern' with the fusing arrangements - and adding a couple
>>>> more fuses to save 'everything' from going at the same time. What would
>>>> you do ??
>>>
>>>It would be a fairly major re-wire to add separate circuits for
>>>everything, but yes it would be a good idea. I'd also 'fuse' the circuits
>>>that currently aren't.
>>
>>Thanks for the reply....
>>
>>Actually, it might not be such a complicated thing - as the 35A fuse
>>currently has three separate wires coming into it from the wiring loom
>>- so there's a fighting chance that each wire feeds a distinct
>>'device' (like horn, lights etc).
>>
>>I had an old Honda motorbike many years ago - which had just the one
>>fuse for 'everything'. Sadly, this meant that, when the headlamp
>>dip-switch shorted out (usually in the rain!) you lost 'everything -
>>and usually ended up in the hedge. Nasty !
>>
>>On a warmer day I might have a look at where the loom goes -
>>the Mog has an alternator 'retro-fitted' - so the redundant voltage
>>regulator box could be removed - and the spare space be used for a
>>multi-fuse-box.
>>
>>Best to go with a modern box from the scrappie, do you think ? - or do
>>you know anywhere that sells a fusebox that takes 'vintage' 1.25"
>>fuses ??
>>
>I'd go with a modern box that takes modern blade fuses - much more
>reliable. Have a look at
>http://www.vehicle-wiring-products.eu/VWP-onlinestore/fuses/holders1.php
>- I fitted a pair of FBB8Ts in my VW to replace the nasty old fusebox
>recently. My Minis will be getting similar treatment in the near future!

Ah - that looks interesting...... many thanks.....

One for the summer months, though - bit chilly under the carport
tonight !

Crazy thing about this particular 'dodgy-fuse' problems was that I had
a similar thing happen in the summer. Took the offending fuse out,
cleaned up the brass 'fingers' with some fine abrasive paper, put it
back in - and it ran perfectly until today...

I guess the 'blade' fuses seem to be made all in one piece -
so the end-caps can't come off ?

Thanks
Adrian
date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 22:05:51 +0000   author:   Adrian

Re: Banger or classic? Acid test.   
On 1 Feb, 21:00, Adrian  wrote:

> Ah right - now I understand <g>

Two hundred feet of hydraulic piping and a rats nest of ill tempered
French electrics designed (I presume) by a man whose wife had run off
with a mechanic.

Ian
date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 16:20:46 -0800 (PST)   author:   Ian

Re: Banger or classic? Acid test.   
"Adrian"  wrote in message 
news:cjk6q39spflbk6le4ft1e1nj226cb5si1e@4ax.com...
> HI All
>
> On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 17:04:26 -0000, "Mike P" 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Ian Dalziel"  wrote in message
>>news:18j6q3pvboq963pu2o403cm3hsn8841e3u@4ax.com...
>>> My current daily driver developed a slight squeal a couple of days
>>> ago. Probably the alternator belt, might just be something in the new
>>> clutch. It's been raining or snowing, so I haven't got round to
>>> looking. Shortly after I set off this morning, the noise stopped.
>>>
>>> Now, what would your reaction have been?
>>>
>>> "Oh good, it's cleared!"
>>
>>That one...
>>
>>Mike P
>>
>
> Had to grin at this !
>
> We've been having sporadic snow showers over here on the South-West
> coast of Ireland. Shocked my '64 Morris Traveller so much that the
> windscreen wipers stopped in mid-wipe !
>
> Was fearing the worst when my dear wife said - You've just filled up
> with petrol, so why's the fuel gauge on 'E' ?
>
> Aha - fuse blown !
> (There's only 2 in the Mog - this one does fuel gauge, horn,
> indicators, wipers)
>
> Turned out the fuse hadn't actually blown - but the fuse 'wire' had
> parted company from one of the end-caps - very odd !
>
> Luckily, the local car spares shop had a box-full of 1,25" glass fuses
> - so all sorted now - about £1.50 including a few spares <g>.
>

Never used to be a problem when milk bottles had metal tops....

Geoff MacK
date: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 09:51:09 -0000   author:   Geoff Mackenzie

Re: Banger or classic? Acid test.   
Geoff Mackenzie wrote:

> 
> "Adrian"  wrote in message 
> news:cjk6q39spflbk6le4ft1e1nj226cb5si1e@4ax.com...
> 
>> HI All
>>
>> On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 17:04:26 -0000, "Mike P" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Ian Dalziel"  wrote in message
>>> news:18j6q3pvboq963pu2o403cm3hsn8841e3u@4ax.com...
>>>
>>>> My current daily driver developed a slight squeal a couple of days
>>>> ago. Probably the alternator belt, might just be something in the new
>>>> clutch. It's been raining or snowing, so I haven't got round to
>>>> looking. Shortly after I set off this morning, the noise stopped.
>>>>
>>>> Now, what would your reaction have been?
>>>>
>>>> "Oh good, it's cleared!"
>>>
>>>
>>> That one...
>>>
>>> Mike P
>>>
>>
>> Had to grin at this !
>>
>> We've been having sporadic snow showers over here on the South-West
>> coast of Ireland. Shocked my '64 Morris Traveller so much that the
>> windscreen wipers stopped in mid-wipe !
>>
>> Was fearing the worst when my dear wife said - You've just filled up
>> with petrol, so why's the fuel gauge on 'E' ?
>>
>> Aha - fuse blown !
>> (There's only 2 in the Mog - this one does fuel gauge, horn,
>> indicators, wipers)
>>
>> Turned out the fuse hadn't actually blown - but the fuse 'wire' had
>> parted company from one of the end-caps - very odd !
>>
>> Luckily, the local car spares shop had a box-full of 1,25" glass fuses
>> - so all sorted now - about £1.50 including a few spares <g>.
>>
> 
> Never used to be a problem when milk bottles had metal tops....
> 
> Geoff MacK

But those cardboard disk top were a problem :)
date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 14:51:38 +1100   author:   Rob. .

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