Hi,

I'm looking for a spare wheel for a mini derived kit car. I can easily get a 
12" wheel with 145/70 tyre from Ebay etc.. - but I was hoping for somthing a 
little thinner to stash away.

Were any cars with mini-type hubs (4 studs, 4" pcd) ever equipped with a 
space-saver wheel? At the moment I carry one of those aerosol tins that is 
supposed to fix leaks - but would prefer something more certain.

I'm in the Stafford area if anyone has anything for sale localish to me.


Thanks for any help.

In article , FFP944-
a@yahoo.co.uk says...
> Hi,
> 
> I'm looking for a spare wheel for a mini derived kit car. I can easily get a 
> 12" wheel with 145/70 tyre from Ebay etc.. - but I was hoping for somthing a 
> little thinner to stash away.
> 
> Were any cars with mini-type hubs (4 studs, 4" pcd) ever equipped with a 
> space-saver wheel? At the moment I carry one of those aerosol tins that is 
> supposed to fix leaks - but would prefer something more certain.
> 
> I'm in the Stafford area if anyone has anything for sale localish to me.
> 
> 
> Thanks for any help. 

what brakes does the kit car have?  If you've got drums on the back, or 
7.5" or smaller disks, you could use a 10" wheel to save a little bit of 
weight (and wheel width).  Then, even if you couldn't fit that on the 
front of the car, if you had a front-wheel puncture you could fit the 
10" on the back, and move the good rear wheel to the front.  I'm not 
aware though that anyone does a narrower tyre than 145-10, or 145/70-12, 
currently, so you won't save any width doing that.  

To answer your question - I've certainly never heard of a mini or 
derivative with a space-saver spare.  Something tells me too that other 
cars that used a 4x4" hub (Imps, Spridgets, don't know what else) pre-
dated the fashion for space-saver spares.  Having said that, googling 
tells me that early Imps had 3.5x12" wheels (as far as I know, all 12" 
mini steel wheels are 4.5" wide), so maybe one of those, with a suitable 
tyre, would be suitable?


 
-- 
Tim Vincent(t.a.vincent@freewheeling.com)

Tim Vincent wrote:

> In article , FFP944-
> a@yahoo.co.uk says...
> 
>>Hi,
>>
>>I'm looking for a spare wheel for a mini derived kit car. I can easily get a 
>>12" wheel with 145/70 tyre from Ebay etc.. - but I was hoping for somthing a 
>>little thinner to stash away.
>>
>>Were any cars with mini-type hubs (4 studs, 4" pcd) ever equipped with a 
>>space-saver wheel? At the moment I carry one of those aerosol tins that is 
>>supposed to fix leaks - but would prefer something more certain.
>>
>>I'm in the Stafford area if anyone has anything for sale localish to me.
>>
>>
>>Thanks for any help. 
> 
> 
> what brakes does the kit car have?  If you've got drums on the back, or 
> 7.5" or smaller disks, you could use a 10" wheel to save a little bit of 
> weight (and wheel width).  Then, even if you couldn't fit that on the 
> front of the car, if you had a front-wheel puncture you could fit the 
> 10" on the back, and move the good rear wheel to the front.  I'm not 
> aware though that anyone does a narrower tyre than 145-10, or 145/70-12, 
> currently, so you won't save any width doing that.  
> 
> To answer your question - I've certainly never heard of a mini or 
> derivative with a space-saver spare.  Something tells me too that other 
> cars that used a 4x4" hub (Imps, Spridgets, don't know what else) pre-
> dated the fashion for space-saver spares.  Having said that, googling 
> tells me that early Imps had 3.5x12" wheels (as far as I know, all 12" 
> mini steel wheels are 4.5" wide), so maybe one of those, with a suitable 
> tyre, would be suitable?
> 
> 
>  

Or you may have to get one made.

Buy a space saver tyre and rim from a wrecker then have a new centre 
placed in it. Get something with the rolling circumference the same. 
Mini's had 13" wheels as well. Even morris Minor rims??

Rob wrote:
> Tim Vincent wrote:
> 
>> In article , FFP944-
>> a@yahoo.co.uk says...
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm looking for a spare wheel for a mini derived kit car. I can 
>>> easily get a 12" wheel with 145/70 tyre from Ebay etc.. - but I was 
>>> hoping for somthing a little thinner to stash away.
>>>
>>> Were any cars with mini-type hubs (4 studs, 4" pcd) ever equipped 
>>> with a space-saver wheel? At the moment I carry one of those aerosol 
>>> tins that is supposed to fix leaks - but would prefer something more 
>>> certain.
>>>
>>> I'm in the Stafford area if anyone has anything for sale localish to me.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for any help. 
>>
>>
>> what brakes does the kit car have?  If you've got drums on the back, 
>> or 7.5" or smaller disks, you could use a 10" wheel to save a little 
>> bit of weight (and wheel width).  Then, even if you couldn't fit that 
>> on the front of the car, if you had a front-wheel puncture you could 
>> fit the 10" on the back, and move the good rear wheel to the front.  
>> I'm not aware though that anyone does a narrower tyre than 145-10, or 
>> 145/70-12, currently, so you won't save any width doing that. 
>> To answer your question - I've certainly never heard of a mini or 
>> derivative with a space-saver spare.  Something tells me too that 
>> other cars that used a 4x4" hub (Imps, Spridgets, don't know what 
>> else) pre-
>> dated the fashion for space-saver spares.  Having said that, googling 
>> tells me that early Imps had 3.5x12" wheels (as far as I know, all 12" 
>> mini steel wheels are 4.5" wide), so maybe one of those, with a 
>> suitable tyre, would be suitable?
>>
>>
>>  
> 
> Or you may have to get one made.
> 
> Buy a space saver tyre and rim from a wrecker then have a new centre 
> placed in it. Get something with the rolling circumference the same. 
> Mini's had 13" wheels as well. Even morris Minor rims??
> 
> 
> 
Guys who have the same Mini based kitcar as me are also running Volvo & 
Vauxhall wheels, so maybe there's a source there. The new Bini's wheels 
will also fit, do they have a spacesaver?

Alan...

"Phaeton"  wrote in message 
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<snip most of the off topic crap>

> Guys who have the same Mini based kitcar as me are also running 
> Volvo & Vauxhall wheels, so maybe there's a source there. The new 
> Bini's wheels will also fit, do they have a spacesaver?
>

alt.autos.mini,
alt.autos.new-mini,
uk.rec.cars.kit-car and
uk.rec.cars.modifications

On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 23:03:23 +0100, ":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID>
wrote:

>
>"Phaeton"  wrote in message 
>news:5j3h7iF3pkf2iU1@mid.individual.net...
>
><snip most of the off topic crap>
>
>> Guys who have the same Mini based kitcar as me are also running 
>> Volvo & Vauxhall wheels, so maybe there's a source there. The new 
>> Bini's wheels will also fit, do they have a spacesaver?
>>
>
>alt.autos.mini,
Don't think this will be helpful. All knowledge re: classic Mini has
already been given here, and beyond that you'll be left to the mercy of
the pervs and spammers that frequent the group; you need a strong set of
idiot-filters to survive there!


>alt.autos.new-mini,
>uk.rec.cars.kit-car and
>uk.rec.cars.modifications 
>
Welcome to try!
-- 
Regards,  Chris    (Please take out my car to reply by plain text email)     
---1967 Riley Elf---1978 Mini 1000---1971 Mini Clubman---
----1972 Mini Clubman estate----------1979 Ford Capri----
-----1966 Triumph Herald Estate------1957 Standard 8-----

> To answer your question - I've certainly never heard of a mini or 
> derivative with a space-saver spare.  Something tells me too that other 
> cars that used a 4x4" hub (Imps, Spridgets, don't know what else)

Indespension trailer hubs usually accept Mini wheels, so it could be 
worth checking what trailer wheels and tyres are available.

"Willy Eckerslyke"  wrote in message 
news:5j55tiF3s49qgU1@mid.individual.net...
>
>> To answer your question - I've certainly never heard of a mini or 
>> derivative with a space-saver spare.  Something tells me too that 
>> other cars that used a 4x4" hub (Imps, Spridgets, don't know what 
>> else)
>
> Indespension trailer hubs usually accept Mini wheels, so it could be 
> worth checking what trailer wheels and tyres are available.

Pointless, trailer wheels are not constructed to with-stand the forces 
that can be applied to vehicle road wheels (due to a combination of 
road and suspension settings), especially at the front / steering 
hubs.

:Jerry: wrote:
> "Willy Eckerslyke"  wrote in message 
> news:5j55tiF3s49qgU1@mid.individual.net...

>> Indespension trailer hubs usually accept Mini wheels, so it could be 
>> worth checking what trailer wheels and tyres are available.
> 
> Pointless, trailer wheels are not constructed to with-stand the forces 
> that can be applied to vehicle road wheels (due to a combination of 
> road and suspension settings), especially at the front / steering 
> hubs. 

Good point, that's certainly something that would need checking. But I'd 
be surprised if they were less suitable for use as space saver wheel 
than some of the combinations you see.
Some relatives had a puncture recently on a hired Chrysler Voyager which 
came with a space saver wheel and tyre so narrow that I'd never have 
used it on a trailer carrying more than 300kg, but it was deemed 
suitable for fitting to a tank of a vehicle with up to 7 people on 
board, albeit at a maximum of 30mph for 30 miles.

Incidentally, it took the combined expertise of all the passengers and 3 
nearby farmers to figure out how to lower the spare wheel carrier. 
Later, reversing the procedure tested the patience of a tyre fitter 
almost to breaking point!

Willy Eckerslyke wrote:

> :Jerry: wrote:
> 
>> "Willy Eckerslyke"  wrote in message 
>> news:5j55tiF3s49qgU1@mid.individual.net...
> 
> 
>>> Indespension trailer hubs usually accept Mini wheels, so it could be 
>>> worth checking what trailer wheels and tyres are available.
>>
>>
>> Pointless, trailer wheels are not constructed to with-stand the forces 
>> that can be applied to vehicle road wheels (due to a combination of 
>> road and suspension settings), especially at the front / steering hubs. 
> 
> 
> 
> suitable for fitting to a tank of a vehicle with up to 7 people on 
> board, albeit at a maximum of 30mph for 30 miles.
> 

Yep was about to say that - not much force at 30mph  or it my even be 
lower than that on some cars - 40Kph.

Certainly not something you would want to drive on over a distance.

Thanks for all the replies - very helpful.

I hadn't considered that all 10" wheels may not fit due to the disks, or 
considered the possibility of making up a "composite" space-saver wheel. 
Since there is no proper space saver available, I am looking at  trailer 
wheels (to be used with great caution and only in the event my aerosol 
fails). I could always put the wheel to the back of my car where the weight 
is negligible. The thinner 8" & 10"wheels seem to come with 400 (4"?) wide 
crossply tyres, whereas the smallest radial seems to be 145, a fair bit 
fatter than the rims themselves.

"nona"  wrote in message 
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> Thanks for all the replies - very helpful.
>
> I hadn't considered that all 10" wheels may not fit due to the 
> disks, or considered the possibility of making up a "composite" 
> space-saver wheel. Since there is no proper space saver available, I 
> am looking at  trailer wheels (to be used with great caution and 
> only in the event my aerosol fails). I could always put the wheel to 
> the back of my car where the weight is negligible. The thinner 8" & 
> 10"wheels seem to come with 400 (4"?) wide crossply tyres, whereas 
> the smallest radial seems to be 145, a fair bit fatter than the rims 
> themselves.
>

I hope that your personal wealth is such that you can either settle 
any third party claim personally or don't have a home (and contents) 
to sell because no insurance company is going to entertain a claim 
involving the use of an 'unsuitable' road wheel, they will pay out to 
the third party but them take you to court for recovery of their 
loses...

You might be better off just buying a good roadside recovery package!

nona  wrote in message
news:zqOdnbUzbdARPFDbnZ2dneKdnZyinZ2d@pipex.net...
> Thanks for all the replies - very helpful.
>
> The thinner 8" & 10"wheels seem to come with 400 (4"?) wide
> crossply tyres, whereas the smallest radial seems to be 145, a fair bit
> fatter than the rims themselves.

It is a long time since I had a car with crossplys, but I think the 400
(which is 4 inches) is across the bead of the uninflated tyre.  The
sidewalls and tread might be a bit wider than that, though admittedly not as
much as a 145 radial.

But beware of using a crossply.  Whilst there might be concerns about the
wisdom of using space saver tyres, they are not illegal if fitted with a
compatible tyre.  But the law is clear that thou shalt not put a radial and
a crossply on the same axle.  If a sharp eyed copper spots you using a space
saving crossply in place of a radial, you run the risk of some points on
your licence - even if the car is only parked.

Jim