Have been given 24 wobbly web wheels with tyres.
What are they worth - need refurb.

"ncs"  wrote in message 
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> Have been given 24 wobbly web wheels with tyres.
> What are they worth - need refurb.
>
>

What someone is prepared to pay! The fact that you say they need 
refurbishing means your question is akin to the "How long is this bit 
of string I'm holding?"question...

"ncs"  wrote in message 
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> Have been given 24 wobbly web wheels with tyres.
> What are they worth - need refurb.
>
>

What someone is prepared to pay! The fact that you say they need 
refurbishing means your question is akin to the "How long is this bit 
of string I'm holding?"question...

"ncs"  wrote in message 
news:13c19npabgu4q92@corp.supernews.com...
> Have been given 24 wobbly web wheels with tyres.
> What are they worth - need refurb.
>
>

What someone is prepared to pay! The fact that you say they need 
refurbishing means your question is akin to the "How long is this bit 
of string I'm holding?"question...

"ncs"  wrote in message 
news:13c19npabgu4q92@corp.supernews.com...
> Have been given 24 wobbly web wheels with tyres.
> What are they worth - need refurb.
>
>

What someone is prepared to pay! The fact that you say they need 
refurbishing means your question is akin to the "How long is this bit 
of string I'm holding?"question...

"ncs"  wrote in message 
news:13c19npabgu4q92@corp.supernews.com...
> Have been given 24 wobbly web wheels with tyres.
> What are they worth - need refurb.
>
>

What someone is prepared to pay! The fact that you say they need 
refurbishing means your question is akin to the "How long is this bit 
of string I'm holding?"question...

"ncs"  wrote in message 
news:13c19npabgu4q92@corp.supernews.com...
> Have been given 24 wobbly web wheels with tyres.
> What are they worth - need refurb.
>
>

What someone is prepared to pay! The fact that you say they need 
refurbishing means your question is akin to the "How long is this bit 
of string I'm holding?"question...

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:46:15 +0100, "ncs" 
wrote:

>Have been given 24 wobbly web wheels with tyres.
>What are they worth - need refurb.

Sadly not much.  They're made of a somewhat temperamental alloy (there's
magnesium in it) and are quite unlikely to still be fit for use. It was
a big issue in classic race scrutineering some years back (effectively a
blanket ban on them) and it won't get better over time.

:Jerry: <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote:

> > Yes, you could. OK, it's a few years since I had a set of alloys 
> > refurbed,
> > but they were less than that - and that was in the SE. As Doki said,
> > given
> > that there's a large stack of 'em, you'd easily get a bulk/trade 
> > discount.
> 
> You couldn't buy the paint for that - unless you use Dulux! Also the 
> blaster needs to take a bit of care when blasting, otherwise you'll 
> end up spending even longer attempting to get half decent finish at 
> the paint stage, this is all going to cost real money as there are 
> easier ways of making money out of blasting cast iron or steel 
> plate-work etc.

You're talking shit, Jerry.

Blasting takes next to no time at all, and they don't paint the wheels,
they're powder-coated, which means a decent finish can be applied in
seconds.

A full set of 4 wheels can be done in well under an hour.
-- 
SteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark
Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE - COSOC KOTL
BOTAFOT #87 - BOTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #

Andy Dingley wrote:

> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:46:15 +0100, "ncs" 
> wrote:
> 
> 
>>Have been given 24 wobbly web wheels with tyres.
>>What are they worth - need refurb.
> 
> 
> Sadly not much.  They're made of a somewhat temperamental alloy (there's
> magnesium in it) and are quite unlikely to still be fit for use. It was
> a big issue in classic race scrutineering some years back (effectively a
> blanket ban on them) and it won't get better over time.
> 

Called  - Inter granular corrosion.

r

":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message 
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>
> "Doki"  wrote in message 
> news:46c1ed01$0$13940$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk...
>>
>> "ncs"  wrote in message 
>> news:13c19npabgu4q92@corp.supernews.com...
>>> Have been given 24 wobbly web wheels with tyres.
>>> What are they worth - need refurb.
>>
>> Google gives new repro ones weighing in at £350 each. Refurb should cost 
>> 25-30 quid each for that sort of numbers (ie, trade price).
>
> Is that per refurbished wheel or what to expect to sell a wheel that needs 
> refurbishing, if the former it will cost more than that to refurbish!

To refurbish a wheel. No crack testing included.

"SteveH"  wrote in message 
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> :Jerry: <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote:
>
>> > Yes, you could. OK, it's a few years since I had a set of alloys
>> > refurbed,
>> > but they were less than that - and that was in the SE. As Doki 
>> > said,
>> > given
>> > that there's a large stack of 'em, you'd easily get a bulk/trade
>> > discount.
>>
>> You couldn't buy the paint for that - unless you use Dulux! Also 
>> the
>> blaster needs to take a bit of care when blasting, otherwise you'll
>> end up spending even longer attempting to get half decent finish at
>> the paint stage, this is all going to cost real money as there are
>> easier ways of making money out of blasting cast iron or steel
>> plate-work etc.
>
> You're talking shit, Jerry.

Yeh right, so that's why my mates company has been involved in 
painting such parts for the last 25 odd years - and I might add, for 
some very high profile companies, unfortunately NDC's apply do I can't 
name them.

>
> Blasting takes next to no time at all, and they don't paint the 
> wheels,

Yes, to do badly, I've seen alloy wheels that have been blasted so 
badly (aka quickly) that they have been reduced to nothing but scrap 
metal...

> they're powder-coated, which means a decent finish can be applied in
> seconds.

Only if you want a crap finish, sure the powder-coating gives a tough 
finish but you only get the finish looking as good as the base metal, 
unlike with paint.

>
> A full set of 4 wheels can be done in well under an hour.

Total frecking bullshit, unless you want a totally crap finish...

"Doki"  wrote in message 
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>
> ":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message 
> news:46c207cf$0$97217$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
>>
>> "Doki"  wrote in message 
>> news:46c1ed01$0$13940$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk...
>>>
>>> "ncs"  wrote in message 
>>> news:13c19npabgu4q92@corp.supernews.com...
>>>> Have been given 24 wobbly web wheels with tyres.
>>>> What are they worth - need refurb.
>>>
>>> Google gives new repro ones weighing in at £350 each. Refurb 
>>> should cost 25-30 quid each for that sort of numbers (ie, trade 
>>> price).
>>
>> Is that per refurbished wheel or what to expect to sell a wheel 
>> that needs refurbishing, if the former it will cost more than that 
>> to refurbish!
>
> To refurbish a wheel. No crack testing included.

Whooosssshhhh....

Hells-bells, a pig has just flown over the roof tops!

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:46:15 +0100, "ncs" 
wrote:

>Have been given 24 wobbly web wheels with tyres.
>What are they worth - need refurb.

Sadly not much.  They're made of a somewhat temperamental alloy (there's
magnesium in it) and are quite unlikely to still be fit for use. It was
a big issue in classic race scrutineering some years back (effectively a
blanket ban on them) and it won't get better over time.

:Jerry: <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote:

> > Yes, you could. OK, it's a few years since I had a set of alloys 
> > refurbed,
> > but they were less than that - and that was in the SE. As Doki said,
> > given
> > that there's a large stack of 'em, you'd easily get a bulk/trade 
> > discount.
> 
> You couldn't buy the paint for that - unless you use Dulux! Also the 
> blaster needs to take a bit of care when blasting, otherwise you'll 
> end up spending even longer attempting to get half decent finish at 
> the paint stage, this is all going to cost real money as there are 
> easier ways of making money out of blasting cast iron or steel 
> plate-work etc.

You're talking shit, Jerry.

Blasting takes next to no time at all, and they don't paint the wheels,
they're powder-coated, which means a decent finish can be applied in
seconds.

A full set of 4 wheels can be done in well under an hour.
-- 
SteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark
Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE - COSOC KOTL
BOTAFOT #87 - BOTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #

Andy Dingley wrote:

> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:46:15 +0100, "ncs" 
> wrote:
> 
> 
>>Have been given 24 wobbly web wheels with tyres.
>>What are they worth - need refurb.
> 
> 
> Sadly not much.  They're made of a somewhat temperamental alloy (there's
> magnesium in it) and are quite unlikely to still be fit for use. It was
> a big issue in classic race scrutineering some years back (effectively a
> blanket ban on them) and it won't get better over time.
> 

Called  - Inter granular corrosion.

r

":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message 
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>
> "Doki"  wrote in message 
> news:46c1ed01$0$13940$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk...
>>
>> "ncs"  wrote in message 
>> news:13c19npabgu4q92@corp.supernews.com...
>>> Have been given 24 wobbly web wheels with tyres.
>>> What are they worth - need refurb.
>>
>> Google gives new repro ones weighing in at £350 each. Refurb should cost 
>> 25-30 quid each for that sort of numbers (ie, trade price).
>
> Is that per refurbished wheel or what to expect to sell a wheel that needs 
> refurbishing, if the former it will cost more than that to refurbish!

To refurbish a wheel. No crack testing included.

"SteveH"  wrote in message 
news:1i2uzmf.7jackp9wzu4gN%steve@italiancar.co.uk...
> :Jerry: <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote:
>
>> > Yes, you could. OK, it's a few years since I had a set of alloys
>> > refurbed,
>> > but they were less than that - and that was in the SE. As Doki 
>> > said,
>> > given
>> > that there's a large stack of 'em, you'd easily get a bulk/trade
>> > discount.
>>
>> You couldn't buy the paint for that - unless you use Dulux! Also 
>> the
>> blaster needs to take a bit of care when blasting, otherwise you'll
>> end up spending even longer attempting to get half decent finish at
>> the paint stage, this is all going to cost real money as there are
>> easier ways of making money out of blasting cast iron or steel
>> plate-work etc.
>
> You're talking shit, Jerry.

Yeh right, so that's why my mates company has been involved in 
painting such parts for the last 25 odd years - and I might add, for 
some very high profile companies, unfortunately NDC's apply do I can't 
name them.

>
> Blasting takes next to no time at all, and they don't paint the 
> wheels,

Yes, to do badly, I've seen alloy wheels that have been blasted so 
badly (aka quickly) that they have been reduced to nothing but scrap 
metal...

> they're powder-coated, which means a decent finish can be applied in
> seconds.

Only if you want a crap finish, sure the powder-coating gives a tough 
finish but you only get the finish looking as good as the base metal, 
unlike with paint.

>
> A full set of 4 wheels can be done in well under an hour.

Total frecking bullshit, unless you want a totally crap finish...

"Doki"  wrote in message 
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>
> ":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message 
> news:46c207cf$0$97217$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
>>
>> "Doki"  wrote in message 
>> news:46c1ed01$0$13940$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk...
>>>
>>> "ncs"  wrote in message 
>>> news:13c19npabgu4q92@corp.supernews.com...
>>>> Have been given 24 wobbly web wheels with tyres.
>>>> What are they worth - need refurb.
>>>
>>> Google gives new repro ones weighing in at £350 each. Refurb 
>>> should cost 25-30 quid each for that sort of numbers (ie, trade 
>>> price).
>>
>> Is that per refurbished wheel or what to expect to sell a wheel 
>> that needs refurbishing, if the former it will cost more than that 
>> to refurbish!
>
> To refurbish a wheel. No crack testing included.

Whooosssshhhh....

Hells-bells, a pig has just flown over the roof tops!

Andy Dingley (dingbat@codesmiths.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like 
they were saying :

>>Have been given 24 wobbly web wheels with tyres.
>>What are they worth - need refurb.

> Sadly not much.  They're made of a somewhat temperamental alloy (there's
> magnesium in it) and are quite unlikely to still be fit for use. It was
> a big issue in classic race scrutineering some years back (effectively a
> blanket ban on them) and it won't get better over time.

Ah,

In that case, NCS... How much for one to hang on the garage wall?

On 15 Aug, 00:13, Rob  wrote:
> Called  - Inter granular corrosion.

Be careful with the descriptions - it's intergranular corrosion
because that's just the preferred location for it -- eventually they'd
do it through the grains themselves. If you surface coat and store
such alloys correctly, you might avoid this long-term.

What it's _not_ is intergranular _precipitation_, the problem you get
with the early diecast zinc alloys, owing to iron _impurities_ in the
alloy. There's nothing you can do about that, short of using a purer
alloy.

On 15 Aug, 09:08, Adrian  wrote:
> In that case, NCS... How much for one to hang on the garage wall?


Oh, probably a fortune 8-) They're cute, retro and recognisable.
Polish and paint them nicely beforehand (bright yellow, naturally),
get yourself an eBay shop and punt them out as wall-hangers for 200
quid a piece.

On 14 Aug, 23:24, st...@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) wrote:

> Blasting takes next to no time at all, and they don't paint the wheels,
> they're powder-coated, which means a decent finish can be applied in
> seconds.

That's not a decent finish though - if there's magnesium in the alloy
then you _must_ prime it between  those steps, and with something like
a zinc chromate primer (or this week's non-carcinogenic replacement).

The idea of a bare magnesium-alloy suspension component with
powdercoat over it is frightening. If you're lucky, it would look like
an inflated balloon. If you're unlucky the thing has turned to muesli
and you can't even see it.

Andy Dingley (dingbat@codesmiths.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like 
they were saying :

>> In that case, NCS... How much for one to hang on the garage wall?

> Oh, probably a fortune 8-) They're cute, retro and recognisable.
> Polish and paint them nicely beforehand (bright yellow, naturally),
> get yourself an eBay shop and punt them out as wall-hangers for 200
> quid a piece.

<mutters>

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:46:15 +0100, "ncs" 
wrote:

>Have been given 24 wobbly web wheels with tyres.
>What are they worth - need refurb.

Sadly not much.  They're made of a somewhat temperamental alloy (there's
magnesium in it) and are quite unlikely to still be fit for use. It was
a big issue in classic race scrutineering some years back (effectively a
blanket ban on them) and it won't get better over time.

:Jerry: <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote:

> > Yes, you could. OK, it's a few years since I had a set of alloys 
> > refurbed,
> > but they were less than that - and that was in the SE. As Doki said,
> > given
> > that there's a large stack of 'em, you'd easily get a bulk/trade 
> > discount.
> 
> You couldn't buy the paint for that - unless you use Dulux! Also the 
> blaster needs to take a bit of care when blasting, otherwise you'll 
> end up spending even longer attempting to get half decent finish at 
> the paint stage, this is all going to cost real money as there are 
> easier ways of making money out of blasting cast iron or steel 
> plate-work etc.

You're talking shit, Jerry.

Blasting takes next to no time at all, and they don't paint the wheels,
they're powder-coated, which means a decent finish can be applied in
seconds.

A full set of 4 wheels can be done in well under an hour.
-- 
SteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark
Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE - COSOC KOTL
BOTAFOT #87 - BOTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #

Andy Dingley wrote:

> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:46:15 +0100, "ncs" 
> wrote:
> 
> 
>>Have been given 24 wobbly web wheels with tyres.
>>What are they worth - need refurb.
> 
> 
> Sadly not much.  They're made of a somewhat temperamental alloy (there's
> magnesium in it) and are quite unlikely to still be fit for use. It was
> a big issue in classic race scrutineering some years back (effectively a
> blanket ban on them) and it won't get better over time.
> 

Called  - Inter granular corrosion.

r

":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message 
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>
> "Doki"  wrote in message 
> news:46c1ed01$0$13940$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk...
>>
>> "ncs"  wrote in message 
>> news:13c19npabgu4q92@corp.supernews.com...
>>> Have been given 24 wobbly web wheels with tyres.
>>> What are they worth - need refurb.
>>
>> Google gives new repro ones weighing in at £350 each. Refurb should cost 
>> 25-30 quid each for that sort of numbers (ie, trade price).
>
> Is that per refurbished wheel or what to expect to sell a wheel that needs 
> refurbishing, if the former it will cost more than that to refurbish!

To refurbish a wheel. No crack testing included.

"SteveH"  wrote in message 
news:1i2uzmf.7jackp9wzu4gN%steve@italiancar.co.uk...
> :Jerry: <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote:
>
>> > Yes, you could. OK, it's a few years since I had a set of alloys
>> > refurbed,
>> > but they were less than that - and that was in the SE. As Doki 
>> > said,
>> > given
>> > that there's a large stack of 'em, you'd easily get a bulk/trade
>> > discount.
>>
>> You couldn't buy the paint for that - unless you use Dulux! Also 
>> the
>> blaster needs to take a bit of care when blasting, otherwise you'll
>> end up spending even longer attempting to get half decent finish at
>> the paint stage, this is all going to cost real money as there are
>> easier ways of making money out of blasting cast iron or steel
>> plate-work etc.
>
> You're talking shit, Jerry.

Yeh right, so that's why my mates company has been involved in 
painting such parts for the last 25 odd years - and I might add, for 
some very high profile companies, unfortunately NDC's apply do I can't 
name them.

>
> Blasting takes next to no time at all, and they don't paint the 
> wheels,

Yes, to do badly, I've seen alloy wheels that have been blasted so 
badly (aka quickly) that they have been reduced to nothing but scrap 
metal...

> they're powder-coated, which means a decent finish can be applied in
> seconds.

Only if you want a crap finish, sure the powder-coating gives a tough 
finish but you only get the finish looking as good as the base metal, 
unlike with paint.

>
> A full set of 4 wheels can be done in well under an hour.

Total frecking bullshit, unless you want a totally crap finish...

"Doki"  wrote in message 
news:46c23e53$0$21091$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk...
>
> ":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message 
> news:46c207cf$0$97217$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
>>
>> "Doki"  wrote in message 
>> news:46c1ed01$0$13940$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk...
>>>
>>> "ncs"  wrote in message 
>>> news:13c19npabgu4q92@corp.supernews.com...
>>>> Have been given 24 wobbly web wheels with tyres.
>>>> What are they worth - need refurb.
>>>
>>> Google gives new repro ones weighing in at £350 each. Refurb 
>>> should cost 25-30 quid each for that sort of numbers (ie, trade 
>>> price).
>>
>> Is that per refurbished wheel or what to expect to sell a wheel 
>> that needs refurbishing, if the former it will cost more than that 
>> to refurbish!
>
> To refurbish a wheel. No crack testing included.

Whooosssshhhh....

Hells-bells, a pig has just flown over the roof tops!

Andy Dingley (dingbat@codesmiths.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like 
they were saying :

>>Have been given 24 wobbly web wheels with tyres.
>>What are they worth - need refurb.

> Sadly not much.  They're made of a somewhat temperamental alloy (there's
> magnesium in it) and are quite unlikely to still be fit for use. It was
> a big issue in classic race scrutineering some years back (effectively a
> blanket ban on them) and it won't get better over time.

Ah,

In that case, NCS... How much for one to hang on the garage wall?

On 15 Aug, 00:13, Rob  wrote:
> Called  - Inter granular corrosion.

Be careful with the descriptions - it's intergranular corrosion
because that's just the preferred location for it -- eventually they'd
do it through the grains themselves. If you surface coat and store
such alloys correctly, you might avoid this long-term.

What it's _not_ is intergranular _precipitation_, the problem you get
with the early diecast zinc alloys, owing to iron _impurities_ in the
alloy. There's nothing you can do about that, short of using a purer
alloy.

On 15 Aug, 09:08, Adrian  wrote:
> In that case, NCS... How much for one to hang on the garage wall?


Oh, probably a fortune 8-) They're cute, retro and recognisable.
Polish and paint them nicely beforehand (bright yellow, naturally),
get yourself an eBay shop and punt them out as wall-hangers for 200
quid a piece.

On 14 Aug, 23:24, st...@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) wrote:

> Blasting takes next to no time at all, and they don't paint the wheels,
> they're powder-coated, which means a decent finish can be applied in
> seconds.

That's not a decent finish though - if there's magnesium in the alloy
then you _must_ prime it between  those steps, and with something like
a zinc chromate primer (or this week's non-carcinogenic replacement).

The idea of a bare magnesium-alloy suspension component with
powdercoat over it is frightening. If you're lucky, it would look like
an inflated balloon. If you're unlucky the thing has turned to muesli
and you can't even see it.

Andy Dingley (dingbat@codesmiths.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like 
they were saying :

>> In that case, NCS... How much for one to hang on the garage wall?

> Oh, probably a fortune 8-) They're cute, retro and recognisable.
> Polish and paint them nicely beforehand (bright yellow, naturally),
> get yourself an eBay shop and punt them out as wall-hangers for 200
> quid a piece.

<mutters>

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:46:15 +0100, "ncs" 
wrote:

>Have been given 24 wobbly web wheels with tyres.
>What are they worth - need refurb.

Sadly not much.  They're made of a somewhat temperamental alloy (there's
magnesium in it) and are quite unlikely to still be fit for use. It was
a big issue in classic race scrutineering some years back (effectively a
blanket ban on them) and it won't get better over time.

:Jerry: <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote:

> > Yes, you could. OK, it's a few years since I had a set of alloys 
> > refurbed,
> > but they were less than that - and that was in the SE. As Doki said,
> > given
> > that there's a large stack of 'em, you'd easily get a bulk/trade 
> > discount.
> 
> You couldn't buy the paint for that - unless you use Dulux! Also the 
> blaster needs to take a bit of care when blasting, otherwise you'll 
> end up spending even longer attempting to get half decent finish at 
> the paint stage, this is all going to cost real money as there are 
> easier ways of making money out of blasting cast iron or steel 
> plate-work etc.

You're talking shit, Jerry.

Blasting takes next to no time at all, and they don't paint the wheels,
they're powder-coated, which means a decent finish can be applied in
seconds.

A full set of 4 wheels can be done in well under an hour.
-- 
SteveH 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo'
www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - Hongdou GY200 - Alfa 75 TSpark
Alfa 156 TSpark - B6 Passat 2.0TDI SE - COSOC KOTL
BOTAFOT #87 - BOTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC #

Andy Dingley wrote:

> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:46:15 +0100, "ncs" 
> wrote:
> 
> 
>>Have been given 24 wobbly web wheels with tyres.
>>What are they worth - need refurb.
> 
> 
> Sadly not much.  They're made of a somewhat temperamental alloy (there's
> magnesium in it) and are quite unlikely to still be fit for use. It was
> a big issue in classic race scrutineering some years back (effectively a
> blanket ban on them) and it won't get better over time.
> 

Called  - Inter granular corrosion.

r

":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message 
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>
> "Doki"  wrote in message 
> news:46c1ed01$0$13940$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk...
>>
>> "ncs"  wrote in message 
>> news:13c19npabgu4q92@corp.supernews.com...
>>> Have been given 24 wobbly web wheels with tyres.
>>> What are they worth - need refurb.
>>
>> Google gives new repro ones weighing in at £350 each. Refurb should cost 
>> 25-30 quid each for that sort of numbers (ie, trade price).
>
> Is that per refurbished wheel or what to expect to sell a wheel that needs 
> refurbishing, if the former it will cost more than that to refurbish!

To refurbish a wheel. No crack testing included.

"SteveH"  wrote in message 
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> :Jerry: <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote:
>
>> > Yes, you could. OK, it's a few years since I had a set of alloys
>> > refurbed,
>> > but they were less than that - and that was in the SE. As Doki 
>> > said,
>> > given
>> > that there's a large stack of 'em, you'd easily get a bulk/trade
>> > discount.
>>
>> You couldn't buy the paint for that - unless you use Dulux! Also 
>> the
>> blaster needs to take a bit of care when blasting, otherwise you'll
>> end up spending even longer attempting to get half decent finish at
>> the paint stage, this is all going to cost real money as there are
>> easier ways of making money out of blasting cast iron or steel
>> plate-work etc.
>
> You're talking shit, Jerry.

Yeh right, so that's why my mates company has been involved in 
painting such parts for the last 25 odd years - and I might add, for 
some very high profile companies, unfortunately NDC's apply do I can't 
name them.

>
> Blasting takes next to no time at all, and they don't paint the 
> wheels,

Yes, to do badly, I've seen alloy wheels that have been blasted so 
badly (aka quickly) that they have been reduced to nothing but scrap 
metal...

> they're powder-coated, which means a decent finish can be applied in
> seconds.

Only if you want a crap finish, sure the powder-coating gives a tough 
finish but you only get the finish looking as good as the base metal, 
unlike with paint.

>
> A full set of 4 wheels can be done in well under an hour.

Total frecking bullshit, unless you want a totally crap finish...

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>
> ":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message 
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>>
>> "Doki"  wrote in message 
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>>>
>>> "ncs"  wrote in message 
>>> news:13c19npabgu4q92@corp.supernews.com...
>>>> Have been given 24 wobbly web wheels with tyres.
>>>> What are they worth - need refurb.
>>>
>>> Google gives new repro ones weighing in at £350 each. Refurb 
>>> should cost 25-30 quid each for that sort of numbers (ie, trade 
>>> price).
>>
>> Is that per refurbished wheel or what to expect to sell a wheel 
>> that needs refurbishing, if the former it will cost more than that 
>> to refurbish!
>
> To refurbish a wheel. No crack testing included.

Whooosssshhhh....

Hells-bells, a pig has just flown over the roof tops!

Andy Dingley (dingbat@codesmiths.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like 
they were saying :

>>Have been given 24 wobbly web wheels with tyres.
>>What are they worth - need refurb.

> Sadly not much.  They're made of a somewhat temperamental alloy (there's
> magnesium in it) and are quite unlikely to still be fit for use. It was
> a big issue in classic race scrutineering some years back (effectively a
> blanket ban on them) and it won't get better over time.

Ah,

In that case, NCS... How much for one to hang on the garage wall?

On 15 Aug, 00:13, Rob  wrote:
> Called  - Inter granular corrosion.

Be careful with the descriptions - it's intergranular corrosion
because that's just the preferred location for it -- eventually they'd
do it through the grains themselves. If you surface coat and store
such alloys correctly, you might avoid this long-term.

What it's _not_ is intergranular _precipitation_, the problem you get
with the early diecast zinc alloys, owing to iron _impurities_ in the
alloy. There's nothing you can do about that, short of using a purer
alloy.

On 15 Aug, 09:08, Adrian  wrote:
> In that case, NCS... How much for one to hang on the garage wall?


Oh, probably a fortune 8-) They're cute, retro and recognisable.
Polish and paint them nicely beforehand (bright yellow, naturally),
get yourself an eBay shop and punt them out as wall-hangers for 200
quid a piece.

On 14 Aug, 23:24, st...@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) wrote:

> Blasting takes next to no time at all, and they don't paint the wheels,
> they're powder-coated, which means a decent finish can be applied in
> seconds.

That's not a decent finish though - if there's magnesium in the alloy
then you _must_ prime it between  those steps, and with something like
a zinc chromate primer (or this week's non-carcinogenic replacement).

The idea of a bare magnesium-alloy suspension component with
powdercoat over it is frightening. If you're lucky, it would look like
an inflated balloon. If you're unlucky the thing has turned to muesli
and you can't even see it.

Andy Dingley (dingbat@codesmiths.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like 
they were saying :

>> In that case, NCS... How much for one to hang on the garage wall?

> Oh, probably a fortune 8-) They're cute, retro and recognisable.
> Polish and paint them nicely beforehand (bright yellow, naturally),
> get yourself an eBay shop and punt them out as wall-hangers for 200
> quid a piece.

<mutters>

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>>> "Doki"  wrote in message 
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>>>>
>>>> "ncs"  wrote in message 
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>>>>> Have been given 24 wobbly web wheels with tyres.
>>>>> What are they worth - need refurb.
>>>>
>>>> Google gives new repro ones weighing in at £350 each. Refurb should 
>>>> cost 25-30 quid each for that sort of numbers (ie, trade price).
>>>
>>> Is that per refurbished wheel or what to expect to sell a wheel that 
>>> needs refurbishing, if the former it will cost more than that to 
>>> refurbish!
>>
>> To refurbish a wheel. No crack testing included.
>
> Whooosssshhhh....
>
> Hells-bells, a pig has just flown over the roof tops!

Just because you don't know where to get it done at that price doesn't mean 
it's not possible. Have a google for BJV engineering, who are well known for 
being a) cheap and b) doing a good job.

But then, as you seem to think people paint alloy wheels, you're obviously 
not up on these matters. I have all the gear to paint, and I'd not even 
bother trying to paint my wheels - it's simply impossible to get even 
coverage.

"Doki"  wrote in message 
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>>
>> "Doki"  wrote in message 
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>>>>
>>>> "Doki"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>
>>>>> "ncs"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:13c19npabgu4q92@corp.supernews.com...
>>>>>> Have been given 24 wobbly web wheels with tyres.
>>>>>> What are they worth - need refurb.
>>>>>
>>>>> Google gives new repro ones weighing in at £350 each. Refurb 
>>>>> should cost 25-30 quid each for that sort of numbers (ie, trade 
>>>>> price).
>>>>
>>>> Is that per refurbished wheel or what to expect to sell a wheel 
>>>> that needs refurbishing, if the former it will cost more than 
>>>> that to refurbish!
>>>
>>> To refurbish a wheel. No crack testing included.
>>
>> Whooosssshhhh....
>>
>> Hells-bells, a pig has just flown over the roof tops!
>
> Just because you don't know where to get it done at that price 
> doesn't mean it's not possible. Have a google for BJV engineering, 
> who are well known for being a) cheap and b) doing a good job.

Ok, I'll say this s_l_o_w_l_y in case you missed it elsewhere in the 
thread - They could not buy the (correct) paint for that much.

>
> But then, as you seem to think people paint alloy wheels, you're 
> obviously not up on these matters. I have all the gear to paint, and 
> I'd not even bother trying to paint my wheels - it's simply 
> impossible to get even coverage.

Bollocks, as I've said (elsewhere in the thread), my mates company has 
been doing just this (amongst other high class paintwork) for 25 odd 
years - just because you are clueless or can't source the correct 
paints don't assume all painters are like you!

Cheers for all your comments

Have found a buyer who is willing to refurb and sell on


"Adrian"  wrote in message 
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> Andy Dingley (dingbat@codesmiths.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like
> they were saying :
>
>>> In that case, NCS... How much for one to hang on the garage wall?
>
>> Oh, probably a fortune 8-) They're cute, retro and recognisable.
>> Polish and paint them nicely beforehand (bright yellow, naturally),
>> get yourself an eBay shop and punt them out as wall-hangers for 200
>> quid a piece.
>
> <mutters>

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>>>>>
>>>>> "Doki"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> "ncs"  wrote in message 
>>>>>> news:13c19npabgu4q92@corp.supernews.com...
>>>>>>> Have been given 24 wobbly web wheels with tyres.
>>>>>>> What are they worth - need refurb.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Google gives new repro ones weighing in at £350 each. Refurb should 
>>>>>> cost 25-30 quid each for that sort of numbers (ie, trade price).
>>>>>
>>>>> Is that per refurbished wheel or what to expect to sell a wheel that 
>>>>> needs refurbishing, if the former it will cost more than that to 
>>>>> refurbish!
>>>>
>>>> To refurbish a wheel. No crack testing included.
>>>
>>> Whooosssshhhh....
>>>
>>> Hells-bells, a pig has just flown over the roof tops!
>>
>> Just because you don't know where to get it done at that price doesn't 
>> mean it's not possible. Have a google for BJV engineering, who are well 
>> known for being a) cheap and b) doing a good job.
>
> Ok, I'll say this s_l_o_w_l_y in case you missed it elsewhere in the 
> thread - They could not buy the (correct) paint for that much.

I was trying to give you a bit of a clue below. Most wheels aren't painted. 
They're powder coated. For a start, you don't lose 60-70% of the material 
between the gun and the item being painted as the unused material can be 
recycled.

Anyway, I can quite happily wander into a paint factors and get quality 
paint for £15 a litre + hardeners, thinners and VAT. Maybe your mate isn't 
as sharp as he thinks he is if he can't source paint at a decent price, if 
you're starting with ad hominem bollocks. Even the absolute top stuff is 
only £50-£60 a litre.

>> But then, as you seem to think people paint alloy wheels, you're 
>> obviously not up on these matters. I have all the gear to paint, and I'd 
>> not even bother trying to paint my wheels - it's simply impossible to get 
>> even coverage.
>
> Bollocks, as I've said (elsewhere in the thread), my mates company has 
> been doing just this (amongst other high class paintwork) for 25 odd 
> years - just because you are clueless or can't source the correct paints 
> don't assume all painters are like you!

Woo. High class. If he thinks he can get even coverage on the wheels I've 
got, he's deluding himself, there simply isn't a gun or a hand small enough 
for the job. They're 1980s / early 90s BBS wheels with a hell of a lot of 
spokes. You can get even coverage on the faces but certainly not on the 
edges of the spokes.

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>
> "SteveH"  wrote in message 
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>
>> Blasting takes next to no time at all, and they don't paint the wheels,
>
> Yes, to do badly, I've seen alloy wheels that have been blasted so badly 
> (aka quickly) that they have been reduced to nothing but scrap metal...

That would depend on what you blast it with...

"ncs"  wrote in message 
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> Cheers for all your comments
>
> Have found a buyer who is willing to refurb and sell on
>
>


That's fine.  As long as you and the buyer both understand that old 
magnesium wheels can be lethal and lawyers can be expensive.

The genuine Lotus wobbly web wheel was made from Elektron which is a very 
different thing from modern alloys used for road wheels.  Whereas a layer of 
oxide will more or less stop the latter corroding, it won't with Elektron 
and once it has started it will carry on corroding inside and no amount of 
polishing or painting the outside will stop it.  Which is why, as has been 
pointed out, they are strictly time-limited by scrutineers.

Ron Robinson.

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:46:15 +0100, "ncs" 
wrote:

>Have been given 24 wobbly web wheels with tyres.
>What are they worth - need refurb.

Sadly not much.  They're made of a somewhat temperamental alloy (there's
magnesium in it) and are quite unlikely to still be fit for use. It was
a big issue in classic race scrutineering some years back (effectively a
blanket ban on them) and it won't get better over time.

:Jerry: <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote:

> > Yes, you could. OK, it's a few years since I had a set of alloys 
> > refurbed,
> > but they were less than that - and that was in the SE. As Doki said,
> > given
> > that there's a large stack of 'em, you'd easily get a bulk/trade 
> > discount.
> 
> You couldn't buy the paint for that - unless you use Dulux! Also the 
> blaster needs to take a bit of care when blasting, otherwise you'll 
> end up spending even longer attempting to get half decent finish at 
> the paint stage, this is all going to cost real money as there are 
> easier ways of making money out of blasting cast iron or steel 
> plate-work etc.

You're talking shit, Jerry.

Blasting takes next to no time at all, and they don't paint the wheels,
they're powder-coated, which means a decent finish can be applied in
seconds.

A full set of 4 wheels can be done in well under an hour.
-- 
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Andy Dingley wrote:

> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:46:15 +0100, "ncs" 
> wrote:
> 
> 
>>Have been given 24 wobbly web wheels with tyres.
>>What are they worth - need refurb.
> 
> 
> Sadly not much.  They're made of a somewhat temperamental alloy (there's
> magnesium in it) and are quite unlikely to still be fit for use. It was
> a big issue in classic race scrutineering some years back (effectively a
> blanket ban on them) and it won't get better over time.
> 

Called  - Inter granular corrosion.

r

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> "Doki"  wrote in message 
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>>
>> "ncs"  wrote in message 
>> news:13c19npabgu4q92@corp.supernews.com...
>>> Have been given 24 wobbly web wheels with tyres.
>>> What are they worth - need refurb.
>>
>> Google gives new repro ones weighing in at £350 each. Refurb should cost 
>> 25-30 quid each for that sort of numbers (ie, trade price).
>
> Is that per refurbished wheel or what to expect to sell a wheel that needs 
> refurbishing, if the former it will cost more than that to refurbish!

To refurbish a wheel. No crack testing included.

"SteveH"  wrote in message 
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> :Jerry: <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote:
>
>> > Yes, you could. OK, it's a few years since I had a set of alloys
>> > refurbed,
>> > but they were less than that - and that was in the SE. As Doki 
>> > said,
>> > given
>> > that there's a large stack of 'em, you'd easily get a bulk/trade
>> > discount.
>>
>> You couldn't buy the paint for that - unless you use Dulux! Also 
>> the
>> blaster needs to take a bit of care when blasting, otherwise you'll
>> end up spending even longer attempting to get half decent finish at
>> the paint stage, this is all going to cost real money as there are
>> easier ways of making money out of blasting cast iron or steel
>> plate-work etc.
>
> You're talking shit, Jerry.

Yeh right, so that's why my mates company has been involved in 
painting such parts for the last 25 odd years - and I might add, for 
some very high profile companies, unfortunately NDC's apply do I can't 
name them.

>
> Blasting takes next to no time at all, and they don't paint the 
> wheels,

Yes, to do badly, I've seen alloy wheels that have been blasted so 
badly (aka quickly) that they have been reduced to nothing but scrap 
metal...

> they're powder-coated, which means a decent finish can be applied in
> seconds.

Only if you want a crap finish, sure the powder-coating gives a tough 
finish but you only get the finish looking as good as the base metal, 
unlike with paint.

>
> A full set of 4 wheels can be done in well under an hour.

Total frecking bullshit, unless you want a totally crap finish...

"Doki"  wrote in message 
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>
> ":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message 
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>>
>> "Doki"  wrote in message 
>> news:46c1ed01$0$13940$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk...
>>>
>>> "ncs"  wrote in message 
>>> news:13c19npabgu4q92@corp.supernews.com...
>>>> Have been given 24 wobbly web wheels with tyres.
>>>> What are they worth - need refurb.
>>>
>>> Google gives new repro ones weighing in at £350 each. Refurb 
>>> should cost 25-30 quid each for that sort of numbers (ie, trade 
>>> price).
>>
>> Is that per refurbished wheel or what to expect to sell a wheel 
>> that needs refurbishing, if the former it will cost more than that 
>> to refurbish!
>
> To refurbish a wheel. No crack testing included.

Whooosssshhhh....

Hells-bells, a pig has just flown over the roof tops!

Andy Dingley (dingbat@codesmiths.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like 
they were saying :

>>Have been given 24 wobbly web wheels with tyres.
>>What are they worth - need refurb.

> Sadly not much.  They're made of a somewhat temperamental alloy (there's
> magnesium in it) and are quite unlikely to still be fit for use. It was
> a big issue in classic race scrutineering some years back (effectively a
> blanket ban on them) and it won't get better over time.

Ah,

In that case, NCS... How much for one to hang on the garage wall?

On 15 Aug, 00:13, Rob  wrote:
> Called  - Inter granular corrosion.

Be careful with the descriptions - it's intergranular corrosion
because that's just the preferred location for it -- eventually they'd
do it through the grains themselves. If you surface coat and store
such alloys correctly, you might avoid this long-term.

What it's _not_ is intergranular _precipitation_, the problem you get
with the early diecast zinc alloys, owing to iron _impurities_ in the
alloy. There's nothing you can do about that, short of using a purer
alloy.

On 15 Aug, 09:08, Adrian  wrote:
> In that case, NCS... How much for one to hang on the garage wall?


Oh, probably a fortune 8-) They're cute, retro and recognisable.
Polish and paint them nicely beforehand (bright yellow, naturally),
get yourself an eBay shop and punt them out as wall-hangers for 200
quid a piece.

On 14 Aug, 23:24, st...@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) wrote:

> Blasting takes next to no time at all, and they don't paint the wheels,
> they're powder-coated, which means a decent finish can be applied in
> seconds.

That's not a decent finish though - if there's magnesium in the alloy
then you _must_ prime it between  those steps, and with something like
a zinc chromate primer (or this week's non-carcinogenic replacement).

The idea of a bare magnesium-alloy suspension component with
powdercoat over it is frightening. If you're lucky, it would look like
an inflated balloon. If you're unlucky the thing has turned to muesli
and you can't even see it.

Andy Dingley (dingbat@codesmiths.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like 
they were saying :

>> In that case, NCS... How much for one to hang on the garage wall?

> Oh, probably a fortune 8-) They're cute, retro and recognisable.
> Polish and paint them nicely beforehand (bright yellow, naturally),
> get yourself an eBay shop and punt them out as wall-hangers for 200
> quid a piece.

<mutters>

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>>>
>>> "Doki"  wrote in message 
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>>>>
>>>> "ncs"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:13c19npabgu4q92@corp.supernews.com...
>>>>> Have been given 24 wobbly web wheels with tyres.
>>>>> What are they worth - need refurb.
>>>>
>>>> Google gives new repro ones weighing in at £350 each. Refurb should 
>>>> cost 25-30 quid each for that sort of numbers (ie, trade price).
>>>
>>> Is that per refurbished wheel or what to expect to sell a wheel that 
>>> needs refurbishing, if the former it will cost more than that to 
>>> refurbish!
>>
>> To refurbish a wheel. No crack testing included.
>
> Whooosssshhhh....
>
> Hells-bells, a pig has just flown over the roof tops!

Just because you don't know where to get it done at that price doesn't mean 
it's not possible. Have a google for BJV engineering, who are well known for 
being a) cheap and b) doing a good job.

But then, as you seem to think people paint alloy wheels, you're obviously 
not up on these matters. I have all the gear to paint, and I'd not even 
bother trying to paint my wheels - it's simply impossible to get even 
coverage.

"Doki"  wrote in message 
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>
> ":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message 
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>>
>> "Doki"  wrote in message 
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>>>>
>>>> "Doki"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>
>>>>> "ncs"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:13c19npabgu4q92@corp.supernews.com...
>>>>>> Have been given 24 wobbly web wheels with tyres.
>>>>>> What are they worth - need refurb.
>>>>>
>>>>> Google gives new repro ones weighing in at £350 each. Refurb 
>>>>> should cost 25-30 quid each for that sort of numbers (ie, trade 
>>>>> price).
>>>>
>>>> Is that per refurbished wheel or what to expect to sell a wheel 
>>>> that needs refurbishing, if the former it will cost more than 
>>>> that to refurbish!
>>>
>>> To refurbish a wheel. No crack testing included.
>>
>> Whooosssshhhh....
>>
>> Hells-bells, a pig has just flown over the roof tops!
>
> Just because you don't know where to get it done at that price 
> doesn't mean it's not possible. Have a google for BJV engineering, 
> who are well known for being a) cheap and b) doing a good job.

Ok, I'll say this s_l_o_w_l_y in case you missed it elsewhere in the 
thread - They could not buy the (correct) paint for that much.

>
> But then, as you seem to think people paint alloy wheels, you're 
> obviously not up on these matters. I have all the gear to paint, and 
> I'd not even bother trying to paint my wheels - it's simply 
> impossible to get even coverage.

Bollocks, as I've said (elsewhere in the thread), my mates company has 
been doing just this (amongst other high class paintwork) for 25 odd 
years - just because you are clueless or can't source the correct 
paints don't assume all painters are like you!

Cheers for all your comments

Have found a buyer who is willing to refurb and sell on


"Adrian"  wrote in message 
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> Andy Dingley (dingbat@codesmiths.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like
> they were saying :
>
>>> In that case, NCS... How much for one to hang on the garage wall?
>
>> Oh, probably a fortune 8-) They're cute, retro and recognisable.
>> Polish and paint them nicely beforehand (bright yellow, naturally),
>> get yourself an eBay shop and punt them out as wall-hangers for 200
>> quid a piece.
>
> <mutters>

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>>>>>> "ncs"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>>> Have been given 24 wobbly web wheels with tyres.
>>>>>>> What are they worth - need refurb.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Google gives new repro ones weighing in at £350 each. Refurb should 
>>>>>> cost 25-30 quid each for that sort of numbers (ie, trade price).
>>>>>
>>>>> Is that per refurbished wheel or what to expect to sell a wheel that 
>>>>> needs refurbishing, if the former it will cost more than that to 
>>>>> refurbish!
>>>>
>>>> To refurbish a wheel. No crack testing included.
>>>
>>> Whooosssshhhh....
>>>
>>> Hells-bells, a pig has just flown over the roof tops!
>>
>> Just because you don't know where to get it done at that price doesn't 
>> mean it's not possible. Have a google for BJV engineering, who are well 
>> known for being a) cheap and b) doing a good job.
>
> Ok, I'll say this s_l_o_w_l_y in case you missed it elsewhere in the 
> thread - They could not buy the (correct) paint for that much.

I was trying to give you a bit of a clue below. Most wheels aren't painted. 
They're powder coated. For a start, you don't lose 60-70% of the material 
between the gun and the item being painted as the unused material can be 
recycled.

Anyway, I can quite happily wander into a paint factors and get quality 
paint for £15 a litre + hardeners, thinners and VAT. Maybe your mate isn't 
as sharp as he thinks he is if he can't source paint at a decent price, if 
you're starting with ad hominem bollocks. Even the absolute top stuff is 
only £50-£60 a litre.

>> But then, as you seem to think people paint alloy wheels, you're 
>> obviously not up on these matters. I have all the gear to paint, and I'd 
>> not even bother trying to paint my wheels - it's simply impossible to get 
>> even coverage.
>
> Bollocks, as I've said (elsewhere in the thread), my mates company has 
> been doing just this (amongst other high class paintwork) for 25 odd 
> years - just because you are clueless or can't source the correct paints 
> don't assume all painters are like you!

Woo. High class. If he thinks he can get even coverage on the wheels I've 
got, he's deluding himself, there simply isn't a gun or a hand small enough 
for the job. They're 1980s / early 90s BBS wheels with a hell of a lot of 
spokes. You can get even coverage on the faces but certainly not on the 
edges of the spokes.

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> "SteveH"  wrote in message 
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>> Blasting takes next to no time at all, and they don't paint the wheels,
>
> Yes, to do badly, I've seen alloy wheels that have been blasted so badly 
> (aka quickly) that they have been reduced to nothing but scrap metal...

That would depend on what you blast it with...

"ncs"  wrote in message 
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> Cheers for all your comments
>
> Have found a buyer who is willing to refurb and sell on
>
>


That's fine.  As long as you and the buyer both understand that old 
magnesium wheels can be lethal and lawyers can be expensive.

The genuine Lotus wobbly web wheel was made from Elektron which is a very 
different thing from modern alloys used for road wheels.  Whereas a layer of 
oxide will more or less stop the latter corroding, it won't with Elektron 
and once it has started it will carry on corroding inside and no amount of 
polishing or painting the outside will stop it.  Which is why, as has been 
pointed out, they are strictly time-limited by scrutineers.

Ron Robinson.

On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:46:15 +0100, "ncs" 
wrote:

>Have been given 24 wobbly web wheels with tyres.
>What are they worth - need refurb.

Sadly not much.  They're made of a somewhat temperamental alloy (there's
magnesium in it) and are quite unlikely to still be fit for use. It was
a big issue in classic race scrutineering some years back (effectively a
blanket ban on them) and it won't get better over time.

:Jerry: <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote:

> > Yes, you could. OK, it's a few years since I had a set of alloys 
> > refurbed,
> > but they were less than that - and that was in the SE. As Doki said,
> > given
> > that there's a large stack of 'em, you'd easily get a bulk/trade 
> > discount.
> 
> You couldn't buy the paint for that - unless you use Dulux! Also the 
> blaster needs to take a bit of care when blasting, otherwise you'll 
> end up spending even longer attempting to get half decent finish at 
> the paint stage, this is all going to cost real money as there are 
> easier ways of making money out of blasting cast iron or steel 
> plate-work etc.

You're talking shit, Jerry.

Blasting takes next to no time at all, and they don't paint the wheels,
they're powder-coated, which means a decent finish can be applied in
seconds.

A full set of 4 wheels can be done in well under an hour.
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Andy Dingley wrote:

> On Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:46:15 +0100, "ncs" 
> wrote:
> 
> 
>>Have been given 24 wobbly web wheels with tyres.
>>What are they worth - need refurb.
> 
> 
> Sadly not much.  They're made of a somewhat temperamental alloy (there's
> magnesium in it) and are quite unlikely to still be fit for use. It was
> a big issue in classic race scrutineering some years back (effectively a
> blanket ban on them) and it won't get better over time.
> 

Called  - Inter granular corrosion.

r

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> "Doki"  wrote in message 
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>> "ncs"  wrote in message 
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>>> Have been given 24 wobbly web wheels with tyres.
>>> What are they worth - need refurb.
>>
>> Google gives new repro ones weighing in at £350 each. Refurb should cost 
>> 25-30 quid each for that sort of numbers (ie, trade price).
>
> Is that per refurbished wheel or what to expect to sell a wheel that needs 
> refurbishing, if the former it will cost more than that to refurbish!

To refurbish a wheel. No crack testing included.

"SteveH"  wrote in message 
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> :Jerry: <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote:
>
>> > Yes, you could. OK, it's a few years since I had a set of alloys
>> > refurbed,
>> > but they were less than that - and that was in the SE. As Doki 
>> > said,
>> > given
>> > that there's a large stack of 'em, you'd easily get a bulk/trade
>> > discount.
>>
>> You couldn't buy the paint for that - unless you use Dulux! Also 
>> the
>> blaster needs to take a bit of care when blasting, otherwise you'll
>> end up spending even longer attempting to get half decent finish at
>> the paint stage, this is all going to cost real money as there are
>> easier ways of making money out of blasting cast iron or steel
>> plate-work etc.
>
> You're talking shit, Jerry.

Yeh right, so that's why my mates company has been involved in 
painting such parts for the last 25 odd years - and I might add, for 
some very high profile companies, unfortunately NDC's apply do I can't 
name them.

>
> Blasting takes next to no time at all, and they don't paint the 
> wheels,

Yes, to do badly, I've seen alloy wheels that have been blasted so 
badly (aka quickly) that they have been reduced to nothing but scrap 
metal...

> they're powder-coated, which means a decent finish can be applied in
> seconds.

Only if you want a crap finish, sure the powder-coating gives a tough 
finish but you only get the finish looking as good as the base metal, 
unlike with paint.

>
> A full set of 4 wheels can be done in well under an hour.

Total frecking bullshit, unless you want a totally crap finish...

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>> "Doki"  wrote in message 
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>>> "ncs"  wrote in message 
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>>>> Have been given 24 wobbly web wheels with tyres.
>>>> What are they worth - need refurb.
>>>
>>> Google gives new repro ones weighing in at £350 each. Refurb 
>>> should cost 25-30 quid each for that sort of numbers (ie, trade 
>>> price).
>>
>> Is that per refurbished wheel or what to expect to sell a wheel 
>> that needs refurbishing, if the former it will cost more than that 
>> to refurbish!
>
> To refurbish a wheel. No crack testing included.

Whooosssshhhh....

Hells-bells, a pig has just flown over the roof tops!

Andy Dingley (dingbat@codesmiths.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like 
they were saying :

>>Have been given 24 wobbly web wheels with tyres.
>>What are they worth - need refurb.

> Sadly not much.  They're made of a somewhat temperamental alloy (there's
> magnesium in it) and are quite unlikely to still be fit for use. It was
> a big issue in classic race scrutineering some years back (effectively a
> blanket ban on them) and it won't get better over time.

Ah,

In that case, NCS... How much for one to hang on the garage wall?

On 15 Aug, 00:13, Rob  wrote:
> Called  - Inter granular corrosion.

Be careful with the descriptions - it's intergranular corrosion
because that's just the preferred location for it -- eventually they'd
do it through the grains themselves. If you surface coat and store
such alloys correctly, you might avoid this long-term.

What it's _not_ is intergranular _precipitation_, the problem you get
with the early diecast zinc alloys, owing to iron _impurities_ in the
alloy. There's nothing you can do about that, short of using a purer
alloy.

On 15 Aug, 09:08, Adrian  wrote:
> In that case, NCS... How much for one to hang on the garage wall?


Oh, probably a fortune 8-) They're cute, retro and recognisable.
Polish and paint them nicely beforehand (bright yellow, naturally),
get yourself an eBay shop and punt them out as wall-hangers for 200
quid a piece.

On 14 Aug, 23:24, st...@italiancar.co.uk (SteveH) wrote:

> Blasting takes next to no time at all, and they don't paint the wheels,
> they're powder-coated, which means a decent finish can be applied in
> seconds.

That's not a decent finish though - if there's magnesium in the alloy
then you _must_ prime it between  those steps, and with something like
a zinc chromate primer (or this week's non-carcinogenic replacement).

The idea of a bare magnesium-alloy suspension component with
powdercoat over it is frightening. If you're lucky, it would look like
an inflated balloon. If you're unlucky the thing has turned to muesli
and you can't even see it.

Andy Dingley (dingbat@codesmiths.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like 
they were saying :

>> In that case, NCS... How much for one to hang on the garage wall?

> Oh, probably a fortune 8-) They're cute, retro and recognisable.
> Polish and paint them nicely beforehand (bright yellow, naturally),
> get yourself an eBay shop and punt them out as wall-hangers for 200
> quid a piece.

<mutters>

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>>>> "ncs"  wrote in message 
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>>>>> Have been given 24 wobbly web wheels with tyres.
>>>>> What are they worth - need refurb.
>>>>
>>>> Google gives new repro ones weighing in at £350 each. Refurb should 
>>>> cost 25-30 quid each for that sort of numbers (ie, trade price).
>>>
>>> Is that per refurbished wheel or what to expect to sell a wheel that 
>>> needs refurbishing, if the former it will cost more than that to 
>>> refurbish!
>>
>> To refurbish a wheel. No crack testing included.
>
> Whooosssshhhh....
>
> Hells-bells, a pig has just flown over the roof tops!

Just because you don't know where to get it done at that price doesn't mean 
it's not possible. Have a google for BJV engineering, who are well known for 
being a) cheap and b) doing a good job.

But then, as you seem to think people paint alloy wheels, you're obviously 
not up on these matters. I have all the gear to paint, and I'd not even 
bother trying to paint my wheels - it's simply impossible to get even 
coverage.

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> ":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID> wrote in message 
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>> "Doki"  wrote in message 
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>>>> "Doki"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>
>>>>> "ncs"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>> Have been given 24 wobbly web wheels with tyres.
>>>>>> What are they worth - need refurb.
>>>>>
>>>>> Google gives new repro ones weighing in at £350 each. Refurb 
>>>>> should cost 25-30 quid each for that sort of numbers (ie, trade 
>>>>> price).
>>>>
>>>> Is that per refurbished wheel or what to expect to sell a wheel 
>>>> that needs refurbishing, if the former it will cost more than 
>>>> that to refurbish!
>>>
>>> To refurbish a wheel. No crack testing included.
>>
>> Whooosssshhhh....
>>
>> Hells-bells, a pig has just flown over the roof tops!
>
> Just because you don't know where to get it done at that price 
> doesn't mean it's not possible. Have a google for BJV engineering, 
> who are well known for being a) cheap and b) doing a good job.

Ok, I'll say this s_l_o_w_l_y in case you missed it elsewhere in the 
thread - They could not buy the (correct) paint for that much.

>
> But then, as you seem to think people paint alloy wheels, you're 
> obviously not up on these matters. I have all the gear to paint, and 
> I'd not even bother trying to paint my wheels - it's simply 
> impossible to get even coverage.

Bollocks, as I've said (elsewhere in the thread), my mates company has 
been doing just this (amongst other high class paintwork) for 25 odd 
years - just because you are clueless or can't source the correct 
paints don't assume all painters are like you!

Cheers for all your comments

Have found a buyer who is willing to refurb and sell on


"Adrian"  wrote in message 
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> Andy Dingley (dingbat@codesmiths.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like
> they were saying :
>
>>> In that case, NCS... How much for one to hang on the garage wall?
>
>> Oh, probably a fortune 8-) They're cute, retro and recognisable.
>> Polish and