Hi All,

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1959-Aston-Martin-DB4-For-Sale_W0QQitemZ160144006589QQihZ006QQcategoryZ122142QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I emailed the seller checking if he really did mean 4.5k. The reply I
got was:


I am selling this car for £ 4,500.00 including delivery anywhere in
UK.I set at a "very, very low" price to guarantee a sale. The only
reason is that I  need cash for a family emergency. I have to tell you
that I'm currently out of town with some major problems so pick up/
view  isn't an option. If you want to buy this vehicle email me back
with your full name and address to start the official procedure trough
eBay. They will send you a notification with ALL the info regarding
delivery, purchase protection and refund policy so please provide your
details before more questions. You will find 90% of answers in that
notification from eBay!

Although the idea of a restored DB4 for less than 5 grand is
appealing, this doesn't feel right to me. Or am I just being a wuss?

Tim

On 13 Aug, 12:47, Morgan...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1959-Aston-Martin-DB4-For-Sale_W0QQitemZ1601440...
>
> I emailed the seller checking if he really did mean 4.5k.

Interestingly, since I replied to the seller saying "Sorry mate, this
smells like a scam to me", the item has now been withdrawn. It claimed
to be a 1959 DB4 which had been professionally restoed in 2000 and was
claimed to be in concours condition. Looks like I was right, then.

On 13 Aug, 12:47, Morgan...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1959-Aston-Martin-DB4-For-Sale_W0QQitemZ1601440...
>
> I emailed the seller checking if he really did mean 4.5k.

Interestingly, since I replied to the seller saying "Sorry mate, this
smells like a scam to me", the item has now been withdrawn. It claimed
to be a 1959 DB4 which had been professionally restoed in 2000 and was
claimed to be in concours condition. Looks like I was right, then.

On 13 Aug, 12:47, Morgan...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1959-Aston-Martin-DB4-For-Sale_W0QQitemZ1601440...
>
> I emailed the seller checking if he really did mean 4.5k.

Interestingly, since I replied to the seller saying "Sorry mate, this
smells like a scam to me", the item has now been withdrawn. It claimed
to be a 1959 DB4 which had been professionally restoed in 2000 and was
claimed to be in concours condition. Looks like I was right, then.

wrote
>On 13 Aug, 12:47, Morgan...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1959-Aston-Martin-DB4-For-Sale_W0QQitemZ1601440...
>>
>> I emailed the seller checking if he really did mean 4.5k.
>
>Interestingly, since I replied to the seller saying "Sorry mate, this
>smells like a scam to me", the item has now been withdrawn. It claimed
>to be a 1959 DB4 which had been professionally restoed in 2000 and was
>claimed to be in concours condition. Looks like I was right, then.
>
Perhaps it was a 1959 Dinky model of a DB4
Do you have the original page still in your browser cache? I'd be ever
so interested to have a read of it.
-- 
Roger Hunt

"Roger Hunt"  wrote in message
news:aHGDkJAh$HwGFwxN@nospam.demon.co.uk...
> wrote
> >On 13 Aug, 12:47, Morgan...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >>
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1959-Aston-Martin-DB4-For-Sale_W0QQitemZ1601440...
> >>
> >> I emailed the seller checking if he really did mean 4.5k.
> >
> >Interestingly, since I replied to the seller saying "Sorry mate, this
> >smells like a scam to me", the item has now been withdrawn. It claimed
> >to be a 1959 DB4 which had been professionally restoed in 2000 and was
> >claimed to be in concours condition. Looks like I was right, then.
> >
> Perhaps it was a 1959 Dinky model of a DB4
> Do you have the original page still in your browser cache? I'd be ever
> so interested to have a read of it.

As a matter of interest, was this item being sold from one of the Scottish
Isles?
There's been a scammer using ebay recently under various usernames (all
apparently "generated names", nothing close to a real persons name or
nick-name) and he's listed various obscure highly-sought after items - from
american muscle cars to very rare rover v8 derived overhead cam F1 engines!
He never replies to any emails asking if collection is possible and the ads
always get pulled by ebay!
Badger.

On 13 Aug, 12:47, Morgan...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1959-Aston-Martin-DB4-For-Sale_W0QQitemZ1601440...
>
> I emailed the seller checking if he really did mean 4.5k.

Interestingly, since I replied to the seller saying "Sorry mate, this
smells like a scam to me", the item has now been withdrawn. It claimed
to be a 1959 DB4 which had been professionally restoed in 2000 and was
claimed to be in concours condition. Looks like I was right, then.

wrote
>On 13 Aug, 12:47, Morgan...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1959-Aston-Martin-DB4-For-Sale_W0QQitemZ1601440...
>>
>> I emailed the seller checking if he really did mean 4.5k.
>
>Interestingly, since I replied to the seller saying "Sorry mate, this
>smells like a scam to me", the item has now been withdrawn. It claimed
>to be a 1959 DB4 which had been professionally restoed in 2000 and was
>claimed to be in concours condition. Looks like I was right, then.
>
Perhaps it was a 1959 Dinky model of a DB4
Do you have the original page still in your browser cache? I'd be ever
so interested to have a read of it.
-- 
Roger Hunt

"Roger Hunt"  wrote in message
news:aHGDkJAh$HwGFwxN@nospam.demon.co.uk...
> wrote
> >On 13 Aug, 12:47, Morgan...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >>
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1959-Aston-Martin-DB4-For-Sale_W0QQitemZ1601440...
> >>
> >> I emailed the seller checking if he really did mean 4.5k.
> >
> >Interestingly, since I replied to the seller saying "Sorry mate, this
> >smells like a scam to me", the item has now been withdrawn. It claimed
> >to be a 1959 DB4 which had been professionally restoed in 2000 and was
> >claimed to be in concours condition. Looks like I was right, then.
> >
> Perhaps it was a 1959 Dinky model of a DB4
> Do you have the original page still in your browser cache? I'd be ever
> so interested to have a read of it.

As a matter of interest, was this item being sold from one of the Scottish
Isles?
There's been a scammer using ebay recently under various usernames (all
apparently "generated names", nothing close to a real persons name or
nick-name) and he's listed various obscure highly-sought after items - from
american muscle cars to very rare rover v8 derived overhead cam F1 engines!
He never replies to any emails asking if collection is possible and the ads
always get pulled by ebay!
Badger.

Morganaut@gmail.com realised it was Mon, 13 Aug 2007 04:47:33 -0700 and
decided it was time to write:

>Although the idea of a restored DB4 for less than 5 grand is
>appealing, this doesn't feel right to me.

It's a scam, no question about it. If something looks to good to be
true, it probably is. The scammer being conveniently out of town (so no
viewing possible) should be a clue.

See also http://www.prewarcar.com/read_article.asp?id=2616

-- 
Y.

'All parts falling off of this car are of
the highest quality British manufacture'

In article ,
    wrote:
> Hi All,

> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1959-Aston-Martin-DB4-For-Sale_W0QQitemZ160144006589QQihZ006QQcategoryZ122142QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

> I emailed the seller checking if he really did mean 4.5k. The reply I
> got was:


> I am selling this car for £ 4,500.00 including delivery anywhere in
> UK.I set at a "very, very low" price to guarantee a sale. The only
> reason is that I  need cash for a family emergency. I have to tell you
> that I'm currently out of town with some major problems so pick up/
> view  isn't an option. If you want to buy this vehicle email me back
> with your full name and address to start the official procedure trough
> eBay. They will send you a notification with ALL the info regarding
> delivery, purchase protection and refund policy so please provide your
> details before more questions. You will find 90% of answers in that
> notification from eBay!

That notification from 'Ebay' would likely be a forgery. I've had just
that on a 'second chance' offer which stank to high heaven.

> Although the idea of a restored DB4 for less than 5 grand is
> appealing, this doesn't feel right to me. Or am I just being a wuss?

If it quacks like a duck it's usually a duck.

PC gives the value of a DB4 FHC as 38, 25, 15K for condition 1 2 and 3 -
more for a convertible - so pretty well any dealer in the land would pay a
lot more than 4.5k on the spot for such a car - without the delay of an
Ebay transaction.

-- 
*My dog can lick anyone

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 13 Aug, 12:47, Morgan...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1959-Aston-Martin-DB4-For-Sale_W0QQitemZ1601440...
>
> I emailed the seller checking if he really did mean 4.5k.

Interestingly, since I replied to the seller saying "Sorry mate, this
smells like a scam to me", the item has now been withdrawn. It claimed
to be a 1959 DB4 which had been professionally restoed in 2000 and was
claimed to be in concours condition. Looks like I was right, then.

wrote
>On 13 Aug, 12:47, Morgan...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1959-Aston-Martin-DB4-For-Sale_W0QQitemZ1601440...
>>
>> I emailed the seller checking if he really did mean 4.5k.
>
>Interestingly, since I replied to the seller saying "Sorry mate, this
>smells like a scam to me", the item has now been withdrawn. It claimed
>to be a 1959 DB4 which had been professionally restoed in 2000 and was
>claimed to be in concours condition. Looks like I was right, then.
>
Perhaps it was a 1959 Dinky model of a DB4
Do you have the original page still in your browser cache? I'd be ever
so interested to have a read of it.
-- 
Roger Hunt

"Roger Hunt"  wrote in message
news:aHGDkJAh$HwGFwxN@nospam.demon.co.uk...
> wrote
> >On 13 Aug, 12:47, Morgan...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >>
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1959-Aston-Martin-DB4-For-Sale_W0QQitemZ1601440...
> >>
> >> I emailed the seller checking if he really did mean 4.5k.
> >
> >Interestingly, since I replied to the seller saying "Sorry mate, this
> >smells like a scam to me", the item has now been withdrawn. It claimed
> >to be a 1959 DB4 which had been professionally restoed in 2000 and was
> >claimed to be in concours condition. Looks like I was right, then.
> >
> Perhaps it was a 1959 Dinky model of a DB4
> Do you have the original page still in your browser cache? I'd be ever
> so interested to have a read of it.

As a matter of interest, was this item being sold from one of the Scottish
Isles?
There's been a scammer using ebay recently under various usernames (all
apparently "generated names", nothing close to a real persons name or
nick-name) and he's listed various obscure highly-sought after items - from
american muscle cars to very rare rover v8 derived overhead cam F1 engines!
He never replies to any emails asking if collection is possible and the ads
always get pulled by ebay!
Badger.

Morganaut@gmail.com realised it was Mon, 13 Aug 2007 04:47:33 -0700 and
decided it was time to write:

>Although the idea of a restored DB4 for less than 5 grand is
>appealing, this doesn't feel right to me.

It's a scam, no question about it. If something looks to good to be
true, it probably is. The scammer being conveniently out of town (so no
viewing possible) should be a clue.

See also http://www.prewarcar.com/read_article.asp?id=2616

-- 
Y.

'All parts falling off of this car are of
the highest quality British manufacture'

In article ,
    wrote:
> Hi All,

> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1959-Aston-Martin-DB4-For-Sale_W0QQitemZ160144006589QQihZ006QQcategoryZ122142QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

> I emailed the seller checking if he really did mean 4.5k. The reply I
> got was:


> I am selling this car for £ 4,500.00 including delivery anywhere in
> UK.I set at a "very, very low" price to guarantee a sale. The only
> reason is that I  need cash for a family emergency. I have to tell you
> that I'm currently out of town with some major problems so pick up/
> view  isn't an option. If you want to buy this vehicle email me back
> with your full name and address to start the official procedure trough
> eBay. They will send you a notification with ALL the info regarding
> delivery, purchase protection and refund policy so please provide your
> details before more questions. You will find 90% of answers in that
> notification from eBay!

That notification from 'Ebay' would likely be a forgery. I've had just
that on a 'second chance' offer which stank to high heaven.

> Although the idea of a restored DB4 for less than 5 grand is
> appealing, this doesn't feel right to me. Or am I just being a wuss?

If it quacks like a duck it's usually a duck.

PC gives the value of a DB4 FHC as 38, 25, 15K for condition 1 2 and 3 -
more for a convertible - so pretty well any dealer in the land would pay a
lot more than 4.5k on the spot for such a car - without the delay of an
Ebay transaction.

-- 
*My dog can lick anyone

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 13 Aug, 12:47, Morgan...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1959-Aston-Martin-DB4-For-Sale_W0QQitemZ1601440...
>
> I emailed the seller checking if he really did mean 4.5k.

Interestingly, since I replied to the seller saying "Sorry mate, this
smells like a scam to me", the item has now been withdrawn. It claimed
to be a 1959 DB4 which had been professionally restoed in 2000 and was
claimed to be in concours condition. Looks like I was right, then.

wrote
>On 13 Aug, 12:47, Morgan...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1959-Aston-Martin-DB4-For-Sale_W0QQitemZ1601440...
>>
>> I emailed the seller checking if he really did mean 4.5k.
>
>Interestingly, since I replied to the seller saying "Sorry mate, this
>smells like a scam to me", the item has now been withdrawn. It claimed
>to be a 1959 DB4 which had been professionally restoed in 2000 and was
>claimed to be in concours condition. Looks like I was right, then.
>
Perhaps it was a 1959 Dinky model of a DB4
Do you have the original page still in your browser cache? I'd be ever
so interested to have a read of it.
-- 
Roger Hunt

"Roger Hunt"  wrote in message
news:aHGDkJAh$HwGFwxN@nospam.demon.co.uk...
> wrote
> >On 13 Aug, 12:47, Morgan...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >>
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1959-Aston-Martin-DB4-For-Sale_W0QQitemZ1601440...
> >>
> >> I emailed the seller checking if he really did mean 4.5k.
> >
> >Interestingly, since I replied to the seller saying "Sorry mate, this
> >smells like a scam to me", the item has now been withdrawn. It claimed
> >to be a 1959 DB4 which had been professionally restoed in 2000 and was
> >claimed to be in concours condition. Looks like I was right, then.
> >
> Perhaps it was a 1959 Dinky model of a DB4
> Do you have the original page still in your browser cache? I'd be ever
> so interested to have a read of it.

As a matter of interest, was this item being sold from one of the Scottish
Isles?
There's been a scammer using ebay recently under various usernames (all
apparently "generated names", nothing close to a real persons name or
nick-name) and he's listed various obscure highly-sought after items - from
american muscle cars to very rare rover v8 derived overhead cam F1 engines!
He never replies to any emails asking if collection is possible and the ads
always get pulled by ebay!
Badger.

Morganaut@gmail.com realised it was Mon, 13 Aug 2007 04:47:33 -0700 and
decided it was time to write:

>Although the idea of a restored DB4 for less than 5 grand is
>appealing, this doesn't feel right to me.

It's a scam, no question about it. If something looks to good to be
true, it probably is. The scammer being conveniently out of town (so no
viewing possible) should be a clue.

See also http://www.prewarcar.com/read_article.asp?id=2616

-- 
Y.

'All parts falling off of this car are of
the highest quality British manufacture'

In article ,
    wrote:
> Hi All,

> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1959-Aston-Martin-DB4-For-Sale_W0QQitemZ160144006589QQihZ006QQcategoryZ122142QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

> I emailed the seller checking if he really did mean 4.5k. The reply I
> got was:


> I am selling this car for £ 4,500.00 including delivery anywhere in
> UK.I set at a "very, very low" price to guarantee a sale. The only
> reason is that I  need cash for a family emergency. I have to tell you
> that I'm currently out of town with some major problems so pick up/
> view  isn't an option. If you want to buy this vehicle email me back
> with your full name and address to start the official procedure trough
> eBay. They will send you a notification with ALL the info regarding
> delivery, purchase protection and refund policy so please provide your
> details before more questions. You will find 90% of answers in that
> notification from eBay!

That notification from 'Ebay' would likely be a forgery. I've had just
that on a 'second chance' offer which stank to high heaven.

> Although the idea of a restored DB4 for less than 5 grand is
> appealing, this doesn't feel right to me. Or am I just being a wuss?

If it quacks like a duck it's usually a duck.

PC gives the value of a DB4 FHC as 38, 25, 15K for condition 1 2 and 3 -
more for a convertible - so pretty well any dealer in the land would pay a
lot more than 4.5k on the spot for such a car - without the delay of an
Ebay transaction.

-- 
*My dog can lick anyone

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 13 Aug, 12:47, Morgan...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1959-Aston-Martin-DB4-For-Sale_W0QQitemZ1601440...
>
> I emailed the seller checking if he really did mean 4.5k.

Interestingly, since I replied to the seller saying "Sorry mate, this
smells like a scam to me", the item has now been withdrawn. It claimed
to be a 1959 DB4 which had been professionally restoed in 2000 and was
claimed to be in concours condition. Looks like I was right, then.

wrote
>On 13 Aug, 12:47, Morgan...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1959-Aston-Martin-DB4-For-Sale_W0QQitemZ1601440...
>>
>> I emailed the seller checking if he really did mean 4.5k.
>
>Interestingly, since I replied to the seller saying "Sorry mate, this
>smells like a scam to me", the item has now been withdrawn. It claimed
>to be a 1959 DB4 which had been professionally restoed in 2000 and was
>claimed to be in concours condition. Looks like I was right, then.
>
Perhaps it was a 1959 Dinky model of a DB4
Do you have the original page still in your browser cache? I'd be ever
so interested to have a read of it.
-- 
Roger Hunt

"Roger Hunt"  wrote in message
news:aHGDkJAh$HwGFwxN@nospam.demon.co.uk...
> wrote
> >On 13 Aug, 12:47, Morgan...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >>
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1959-Aston-Martin-DB4-For-Sale_W0QQitemZ1601440...
> >>
> >> I emailed the seller checking if he really did mean 4.5k.
> >
> >Interestingly, since I replied to the seller saying "Sorry mate, this
> >smells like a scam to me", the item has now been withdrawn. It claimed
> >to be a 1959 DB4 which had been professionally restoed in 2000 and was
> >claimed to be in concours condition. Looks like I was right, then.
> >
> Perhaps it was a 1959 Dinky model of a DB4
> Do you have the original page still in your browser cache? I'd be ever
> so interested to have a read of it.

As a matter of interest, was this item being sold from one of the Scottish
Isles?
There's been a scammer using ebay recently under various usernames (all
apparently "generated names", nothing close to a real persons name or
nick-name) and he's listed various obscure highly-sought after items - from
american muscle cars to very rare rover v8 derived overhead cam F1 engines!
He never replies to any emails asking if collection is possible and the ads
always get pulled by ebay!
Badger.

Morganaut@gmail.com realised it was Mon, 13 Aug 2007 04:47:33 -0700 and
decided it was time to write:

>Although the idea of a restored DB4 for less than 5 grand is
>appealing, this doesn't feel right to me.

It's a scam, no question about it. If something looks to good to be
true, it probably is. The scammer being conveniently out of town (so no
viewing possible) should be a clue.

See also http://www.prewarcar.com/read_article.asp?id=2616

-- 
Y.

'All parts falling off of this car are of
the highest quality British manufacture'

In article ,
    wrote:
> Hi All,

> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1959-Aston-Martin-DB4-For-Sale_W0QQitemZ160144006589QQihZ006QQcategoryZ122142QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

> I emailed the seller checking if he really did mean 4.5k. The reply I
> got was:


> I am selling this car for £ 4,500.00 including delivery anywhere in
> UK.I set at a "very, very low" price to guarantee a sale. The only
> reason is that I  need cash for a family emergency. I have to tell you
> that I'm currently out of town with some major problems so pick up/
> view  isn't an option. If you want to buy this vehicle email me back
> with your full name and address to start the official procedure trough
> eBay. They will send you a notification with ALL the info regarding
> delivery, purchase protection and refund policy so please provide your
> details before more questions. You will find 90% of answers in that
> notification from eBay!

That notification from 'Ebay' would likely be a forgery. I've had just
that on a 'second chance' offer which stank to high heaven.

> Although the idea of a restored DB4 for less than 5 grand is
> appealing, this doesn't feel right to me. Or am I just being a wuss?

If it quacks like a duck it's usually a duck.

PC gives the value of a DB4 FHC as 38, 25, 15K for condition 1 2 and 3 -
more for a convertible - so pretty well any dealer in the land would pay a
lot more than 4.5k on the spot for such a car - without the delay of an
Ebay transaction.

-- 
*My dog can lick anyone

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 13 Aug, 12:47, Morgan...@gmail.com wrote:

> Although the idea of a restored DB4 for less than 5 grand is
> appealing, this doesn't feel right to me. Or am I just being a wuss?

There's a whole series of scam cars, often classic, appearing on eBay
at the moment. Indicators are ...

Always from a zero rated business seller
Place name repeats: "Location London, London, UK"
Starting price is often £1900

The photographs and words are very convincing - because they have
simply been copied from a past eBay auction. In at least one case they
have tried to sell a car which is still up for (real) auction.

Item number 160142084909 is an example.

Ian

Morganaut@gmail.com writes:

> Hi All,
>
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1959-Aston-Martin-DB4-For-Sale_W0QQitemZ160144006589QQihZ006QQcategoryZ122142QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
> I emailed the seller checking if he really did mean 4.5k. The reply I
> got was:
>
>
> I am selling this car for £ 4,500.00 including delivery anywhere in
> UK.I set at a "very, very low" price to guarantee a sale. The only
> reason is that I  need cash for a family emergency. I have to tell you
> that I'm currently out of town with some major problems so pick up/
> view  isn't an option. If you want to buy this vehicle email me back
> with your full name and address to start the official procedure trough
> eBay. They will send you a notification with ALL the info regarding
> delivery, purchase protection and refund policy so please provide your
> details before more questions. You will find 90% of answers in that
> notification from eBay!
>
> Although the idea of a restored DB4 for less than 5 grand is
> appealing, this doesn't feel right to me. Or am I just being a wuss?

It's a scam - several people I know and myself have had very similar
emails (and they all included the 'out of town' bit). The other parts of
the scam is that they're all zero rated sellers, usually business
sellers, and they registered the day the auction started (surprise
there). Often you find that the auction including the pictures has been
borrowed from someone who's just sold or at least advertised such a
vehicle.

It's also interesting that they keep sending you back the same email
over and over again if you start asking specific questions.

Ian wrote:

> The photographs and words are very convincing - because they have
> simply been copied from a past eBay auction. In at least one case they
> have tried to sell a car which is still up for (real) auction.
> 
> Item number 160142084909 is an example.

That same scammer is also trying to sell a boat in Chester while the 
original listing still appears under completed items. I've reported it.

Ian  wrote:

> There's a whole series of scam cars, often classic, appearing on eBay
> at the moment. Indicators are ...
> 
> Always from a zero rated business seller

That last isn't always true. A couple of years ago I spotted a series of
scams from sellers with very good feedback. The giveaway was the
instruction not to use ebay messaging but to call a number or use email.
I used messaging to ask one seller if he really had the item for sale
and got a "damn my account has been hacked" reply. I tried a few more
(different sellers) and got the same response.

Notified ebay and got a reply telling me that if I did that again they
would terminate my account for "interfering in auctions". It seems like
ebay want to protect the scammers income.

On 14 Aug, 09:27, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:

> That last isn't always true. A couple of years ago I spotted a series of
> scams from sellers with very good feedback.

I believe the traditional method is to have two scammers each buy
fifty things from each other at a 50p buy-it-now price and give good
feedback. Bingo: +50 each for a few quid in fees.

Ian

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:47:26 -0700, Ian 
wrote:

>On 14 Aug, 09:27, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
>
>> That last isn't always true. A couple of years ago I spotted a series of
>> scams from sellers with very good feedback.
>
>I believe the traditional method is to have two scammers each buy
>fifty things from each other at a 50p buy-it-now price and give good
>feedback. Bingo: +50 each for a few quid in fees.
>
Wouldn't work. Feedback is only incremented from different sellers. My
feedback is 337 but I have 383 individual positive comments (and no
negs, before anyone says something!)
-- 
Regards,  Chris    (Please take out my car to reply by plain text email)     
---1967 Riley Elf---1978 Mini 1000---1971 Mini Clubman---
----1972 Mini Clubman estate----------1979 Ford Capri----
-----1966 Triumph Herald Estate------1957 Standard 8-----

On 13 Aug, 12:47, Morgan...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1959-Aston-Martin-DB4-For-Sale_W0QQitemZ1601440...
>
> I emailed the seller checking if he really did mean 4.5k.

Interestingly, since I replied to the seller saying "Sorry mate, this
smells like a scam to me", the item has now been withdrawn. It claimed
to be a 1959 DB4 which had been professionally restoed in 2000 and was
claimed to be in concours condition. Looks like I was right, then.

wrote
>On 13 Aug, 12:47, Morgan...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1959-Aston-Martin-DB4-For-Sale_W0QQitemZ1601440...
>>
>> I emailed the seller checking if he really did mean 4.5k.
>
>Interestingly, since I replied to the seller saying "Sorry mate, this
>smells like a scam to me", the item has now been withdrawn. It claimed
>to be a 1959 DB4 which had been professionally restoed in 2000 and was
>claimed to be in concours condition. Looks like I was right, then.
>
Perhaps it was a 1959 Dinky model of a DB4
Do you have the original page still in your browser cache? I'd be ever
so interested to have a read of it.
-- 
Roger Hunt

"Roger Hunt"  wrote in message
news:aHGDkJAh$HwGFwxN@nospam.demon.co.uk...
> wrote
> >On 13 Aug, 12:47, Morgan...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >>
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1959-Aston-Martin-DB4-For-Sale_W0QQitemZ1601440...
> >>
> >> I emailed the seller checking if he really did mean 4.5k.
> >
> >Interestingly, since I replied to the seller saying "Sorry mate, this
> >smells like a scam to me", the item has now been withdrawn. It claimed
> >to be a 1959 DB4 which had been professionally restoed in 2000 and was
> >claimed to be in concours condition. Looks like I was right, then.
> >
> Perhaps it was a 1959 Dinky model of a DB4
> Do you have the original page still in your browser cache? I'd be ever
> so interested to have a read of it.

As a matter of interest, was this item being sold from one of the Scottish
Isles?
There's been a scammer using ebay recently under various usernames (all
apparently "generated names", nothing close to a real persons name or
nick-name) and he's listed various obscure highly-sought after items - from
american muscle cars to very rare rover v8 derived overhead cam F1 engines!
He never replies to any emails asking if collection is possible and the ads
always get pulled by ebay!
Badger.

Morganaut@gmail.com realised it was Mon, 13 Aug 2007 04:47:33 -0700 and
decided it was time to write:

>Although the idea of a restored DB4 for less than 5 grand is
>appealing, this doesn't feel right to me.

It's a scam, no question about it. If something looks to good to be
true, it probably is. The scammer being conveniently out of town (so no
viewing possible) should be a clue.

See also http://www.prewarcar.com/read_article.asp?id=2616

-- 
Y.

'All parts falling off of this car are of
the highest quality British manufacture'

In article ,
    wrote:
> Hi All,

> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1959-Aston-Martin-DB4-For-Sale_W0QQitemZ160144006589QQihZ006QQcategoryZ122142QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

> I emailed the seller checking if he really did mean 4.5k. The reply I
> got was:


> I am selling this car for £ 4,500.00 including delivery anywhere in
> UK.I set at a "very, very low" price to guarantee a sale. The only
> reason is that I  need cash for a family emergency. I have to tell you
> that I'm currently out of town with some major problems so pick up/
> view  isn't an option. If you want to buy this vehicle email me back
> with your full name and address to start the official procedure trough
> eBay. They will send you a notification with ALL the info regarding
> delivery, purchase protection and refund policy so please provide your
> details before more questions. You will find 90% of answers in that
> notification from eBay!

That notification from 'Ebay' would likely be a forgery. I've had just
that on a 'second chance' offer which stank to high heaven.

> Although the idea of a restored DB4 for less than 5 grand is
> appealing, this doesn't feel right to me. Or am I just being a wuss?

If it quacks like a duck it's usually a duck.

PC gives the value of a DB4 FHC as 38, 25, 15K for condition 1 2 and 3 -
more for a convertible - so pretty well any dealer in the land would pay a
lot more than 4.5k on the spot for such a car - without the delay of an
Ebay transaction.

-- 
*My dog can lick anyone

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 13 Aug, 12:47, Morgan...@gmail.com wrote:

> Although the idea of a restored DB4 for less than 5 grand is
> appealing, this doesn't feel right to me. Or am I just being a wuss?

There's a whole series of scam cars, often classic, appearing on eBay
at the moment. Indicators are ...

Always from a zero rated business seller
Place name repeats: "Location London, London, UK"
Starting price is often £1900

The photographs and words are very convincing - because they have
simply been copied from a past eBay auction. In at least one case they
have tried to sell a car which is still up for (real) auction.

Item number 160142084909 is an example.

Ian

Morganaut@gmail.com writes:

> Hi All,
>
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1959-Aston-Martin-DB4-For-Sale_W0QQitemZ160144006589QQihZ006QQcategoryZ122142QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
> I emailed the seller checking if he really did mean 4.5k. The reply I
> got was:
>
>
> I am selling this car for £ 4,500.00 including delivery anywhere in
> UK.I set at a "very, very low" price to guarantee a sale. The only
> reason is that I  need cash for a family emergency. I have to tell you
> that I'm currently out of town with some major problems so pick up/
> view  isn't an option. If you want to buy this vehicle email me back
> with your full name and address to start the official procedure trough
> eBay. They will send you a notification with ALL the info regarding
> delivery, purchase protection and refund policy so please provide your
> details before more questions. You will find 90% of answers in that
> notification from eBay!
>
> Although the idea of a restored DB4 for less than 5 grand is
> appealing, this doesn't feel right to me. Or am I just being a wuss?

It's a scam - several people I know and myself have had very similar
emails (and they all included the 'out of town' bit). The other parts of
the scam is that they're all zero rated sellers, usually business
sellers, and they registered the day the auction started (surprise
there). Often you find that the auction including the pictures has been
borrowed from someone who's just sold or at least advertised such a
vehicle.

It's also interesting that they keep sending you back the same email
over and over again if you start asking specific questions.

Ian wrote:

> The photographs and words are very convincing - because they have
> simply been copied from a past eBay auction. In at least one case they
> have tried to sell a car which is still up for (real) auction.
> 
> Item number 160142084909 is an example.

That same scammer is also trying to sell a boat in Chester while the 
original listing still appears under completed items. I've reported it.

Ian  wrote:

> There's a whole series of scam cars, often classic, appearing on eBay
> at the moment. Indicators are ...
> 
> Always from a zero rated business seller

That last isn't always true. A couple of years ago I spotted a series of
scams from sellers with very good feedback. The giveaway was the
instruction not to use ebay messaging but to call a number or use email.
I used messaging to ask one seller if he really had the item for sale
and got a "damn my account has been hacked" reply. I tried a few more
(different sellers) and got the same response.

Notified ebay and got a reply telling me that if I did that again they
would terminate my account for "interfering in auctions". It seems like
ebay want to protect the scammers income.

On 14 Aug, 09:27, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:

> That last isn't always true. A couple of years ago I spotted a series of
> scams from sellers with very good feedback.

I believe the traditional method is to have two scammers each buy
fifty things from each other at a 50p buy-it-now price and give good
feedback. Bingo: +50 each for a few quid in fees.

Ian

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:47:26 -0700, Ian 
wrote:

>On 14 Aug, 09:27, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
>
>> That last isn't always true. A couple of years ago I spotted a series of
>> scams from sellers with very good feedback.
>
>I believe the traditional method is to have two scammers each buy
>fifty things from each other at a 50p buy-it-now price and give good
>feedback. Bingo: +50 each for a few quid in fees.
>
Wouldn't work. Feedback is only incremented from different sellers. My
feedback is 337 but I have 383 individual positive comments (and no
negs, before anyone says something!)
-- 
Regards,  Chris    (Please take out my car to reply by plain text email)     
---1967 Riley Elf---1978 Mini 1000---1971 Mini Clubman---
----1972 Mini Clubman estate----------1979 Ford Capri----
-----1966 Triumph Herald Estate------1957 Standard 8-----

Ian wrote
>On 14 Aug, 09:27, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
>
>> That last isn't always true. A couple of years ago I spotted a series of
>> scams from sellers with very good feedback.
>
>I believe the traditional method is to have two scammers each buy
>fifty things from each other at a 50p buy-it-now price and give good
>feedback. Bingo: +50 each for a few quid in fees.
>
(moving sideways slightly ..)
If a low feedback score, always worth checking is how long the
individual has used ebay - mine is low, I have been signed up for, ooh,
er, years, but only occasionally buy anything. 
-- 
Roger Hunt

"Chris Bolus"  wrote in message 
news:eh23c3hqvoudo758fkpbnfobofrrc030a0@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:47:26 -0700, Ian 
> wrote:
>
>>On 14 Aug, 09:27, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
>>
>>> That last isn't always true. A couple of years ago I spotted a 
>>> series of
>>> scams from sellers with very good feedback.
>>
>>I believe the traditional method is to have two scammers each buy
>>fifty things from each other at a 50p buy-it-now price and give good
>>feedback. Bingo: +50 each for a few quid in fees.
>>
> Wouldn't work. Feedback is only incremented from different sellers. 
> My
> feedback is 337 but I have 383 individual positive comments (and no
> negs, before anyone says something!)

But that would be registered identities, that is not the same as 
different people.

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:08:51 +0100, ":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID>
wrote:

>
>"Chris Bolus"  wrote in message 
>news:eh23c3hqvoudo758fkpbnfobofrrc030a0@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:47:26 -0700, Ian 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 14 Aug, 09:27, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
>>>
>>>> That last isn't always true. A couple of years ago I spotted a 
>>>> series of
>>>> scams from sellers with very good feedback.
>>>
>>>I believe the traditional method is to have two scammers each buy
>>>fifty things from each other at a 50p buy-it-now price and give good
>>>feedback. Bingo: +50 each for a few quid in fees.
>>>
>> Wouldn't work. Feedback is only incremented from different sellers. 
>> My
>> feedback is 337 but I have 383 individual positive comments (and no
>> negs, before anyone says something!)
>
>But that would be registered identities, that is not the same as 
>different people. 
>
True, but how many scammers can keep an account open for long enough to
bother having 50 different identities just to build feedback on an
account they know will get closed as soon as Ebay get tipped off?

In any case, I suspect many scammers aren't all that bright - even
though they rely on attracting punters who also are not that bright!
-- 
Regards,  Chris    (Please take out my car to reply by plain text email)     
---1967 Riley Elf---1978 Mini 1000---1971 Mini Clubman---
----1972 Mini Clubman estate----------1979 Ford Capri----
-----1966 Triumph Herald Estate------1957 Standard 8-----

"Chris Bolus"  wrote in message 
news:6l43c3l4gl2j69jh5i1spraii9p16t1cl5@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:08:51 +0100, ":Jerry:" 
> <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID>
> wrote:
>
<snip>
>>
>>But that would be registered identities, that is not the same as
>>different people.
>>
> True, but how many scammers can keep an account open for long enough 
> to
> bother having 50 different identities just to build feedback on an
> account they know will get closed as soon as Ebay get tipped off?

If that is there aim, very easily, remember that to get that feed back 
they don't need to do any scamming - that comes later.

Ian  wrote:

> On 14 Aug, 09:27, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
> 
> > That last isn't always true. A couple of years ago I spotted a series of
> > scams from sellers with very good feedback.
> 
> I believe the traditional method is to have two scammers each buy
> fifty things from each other at a 50p buy-it-now price and give good
> feedback. Bingo: +50 each for a few quid in fees.

The ones I spotted were definitely hijacked accounts, sometimes the
positive feedback was in the 1000s. The one common factor was that the
accounts had been inactive for several months before the scammer used
them.

Roger Hunt  wrote:

> If a low feedback score, always worth checking is how long the
> individual has used ebay - mine is low, I have been signed up for, ooh,
> er, years, but only occasionally buy anything. 

Same here, I'm not driven to buy every bit of tat on eBay.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YKtlK7sn0JQ

Steve Firth wrote:

> The ones I spotted were definitely hijacked accounts, sometimes the
> positive feedback was in the 1000s. The one common factor was that the
> accounts had been inactive for several months before the scammer used
> them.

A common factor here seems to be the "Other Classic Cars" category, zero 
feedback and "Classified Ads" like the one that started this thread.

130141009401
200137013470
170138836040
200138764362
(It'd be entertaining to watch a meeting between the scammer and the 
former owner of that last one!)

On 13 Aug, 12:47, Morgan...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1959-Aston-Martin-DB4-For-Sale_W0QQitemZ1601440...
>
> I emailed the seller checking if he really did mean 4.5k.

Interestingly, since I replied to the seller saying "Sorry mate, this
smells like a scam to me", the item has now been withdrawn. It claimed
to be a 1959 DB4 which had been professionally restoed in 2000 and was
claimed to be in concours condition. Looks like I was right, then.

wrote
>On 13 Aug, 12:47, Morgan...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1959-Aston-Martin-DB4-For-Sale_W0QQitemZ1601440...
>>
>> I emailed the seller checking if he really did mean 4.5k.
>
>Interestingly, since I replied to the seller saying "Sorry mate, this
>smells like a scam to me", the item has now been withdrawn. It claimed
>to be a 1959 DB4 which had been professionally restoed in 2000 and was
>claimed to be in concours condition. Looks like I was right, then.
>
Perhaps it was a 1959 Dinky model of a DB4
Do you have the original page still in your browser cache? I'd be ever
so interested to have a read of it.
-- 
Roger Hunt

"Roger Hunt"  wrote in message
news:aHGDkJAh$HwGFwxN@nospam.demon.co.uk...
> wrote
> >On 13 Aug, 12:47, Morgan...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >>
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1959-Aston-Martin-DB4-For-Sale_W0QQitemZ1601440...
> >>
> >> I emailed the seller checking if he really did mean 4.5k.
> >
> >Interestingly, since I replied to the seller saying "Sorry mate, this
> >smells like a scam to me", the item has now been withdrawn. It claimed
> >to be a 1959 DB4 which had been professionally restoed in 2000 and was
> >claimed to be in concours condition. Looks like I was right, then.
> >
> Perhaps it was a 1959 Dinky model of a DB4
> Do you have the original page still in your browser cache? I'd be ever
> so interested to have a read of it.

As a matter of interest, was this item being sold from one of the Scottish
Isles?
There's been a scammer using ebay recently under various usernames (all
apparently "generated names", nothing close to a real persons name or
nick-name) and he's listed various obscure highly-sought after items - from
american muscle cars to very rare rover v8 derived overhead cam F1 engines!
He never replies to any emails asking if collection is possible and the ads
always get pulled by ebay!
Badger.

Morganaut@gmail.com realised it was Mon, 13 Aug 2007 04:47:33 -0700 and
decided it was time to write:

>Although the idea of a restored DB4 for less than 5 grand is
>appealing, this doesn't feel right to me.

It's a scam, no question about it. If something looks to good to be
true, it probably is. The scammer being conveniently out of town (so no
viewing possible) should be a clue.

See also http://www.prewarcar.com/read_article.asp?id=2616

-- 
Y.

'All parts falling off of this car are of
the highest quality British manufacture'

In article ,
    wrote:
> Hi All,

> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1959-Aston-Martin-DB4-For-Sale_W0QQitemZ160144006589QQihZ006QQcategoryZ122142QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

> I emailed the seller checking if he really did mean 4.5k. The reply I
> got was:


> I am selling this car for £ 4,500.00 including delivery anywhere in
> UK.I set at a "very, very low" price to guarantee a sale. The only
> reason is that I  need cash for a family emergency. I have to tell you
> that I'm currently out of town with some major problems so pick up/
> view  isn't an option. If you want to buy this vehicle email me back
> with your full name and address to start the official procedure trough
> eBay. They will send you a notification with ALL the info regarding
> delivery, purchase protection and refund policy so please provide your
> details before more questions. You will find 90% of answers in that
> notification from eBay!

That notification from 'Ebay' would likely be a forgery. I've had just
that on a 'second chance' offer which stank to high heaven.

> Although the idea of a restored DB4 for less than 5 grand is
> appealing, this doesn't feel right to me. Or am I just being a wuss?

If it quacks like a duck it's usually a duck.

PC gives the value of a DB4 FHC as 38, 25, 15K for condition 1 2 and 3 -
more for a convertible - so pretty well any dealer in the land would pay a
lot more than 4.5k on the spot for such a car - without the delay of an
Ebay transaction.

-- 
*My dog can lick anyone

    Dave Plowman        dave@davenoise.co.uk           London SW
                  To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 13 Aug, 12:47, Morgan...@gmail.com wrote:

> Although the idea of a restored DB4 for less than 5 grand is
> appealing, this doesn't feel right to me. Or am I just being a wuss?

There's a whole series of scam cars, often classic, appearing on eBay
at the moment. Indicators are ...

Always from a zero rated business seller
Place name repeats: "Location London, London, UK"
Starting price is often £1900

The photographs and words are very convincing - because they have
simply been copied from a past eBay auction. In at least one case they
have tried to sell a car which is still up for (real) auction.

Item number 160142084909 is an example.

Ian

Morganaut@gmail.com writes:

> Hi All,
>
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1959-Aston-Martin-DB4-For-Sale_W0QQitemZ160144006589QQihZ006QQcategoryZ122142QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
>
> I emailed the seller checking if he really did mean 4.5k. The reply I
> got was:
>
>
> I am selling this car for £ 4,500.00 including delivery anywhere in
> UK.I set at a "very, very low" price to guarantee a sale. The only
> reason is that I  need cash for a family emergency. I have to tell you
> that I'm currently out of town with some major problems so pick up/
> view  isn't an option. If you want to buy this vehicle email me back
> with your full name and address to start the official procedure trough
> eBay. They will send you a notification with ALL the info regarding
> delivery, purchase protection and refund policy so please provide your
> details before more questions. You will find 90% of answers in that
> notification from eBay!
>
> Although the idea of a restored DB4 for less than 5 grand is
> appealing, this doesn't feel right to me. Or am I just being a wuss?

It's a scam - several people I know and myself have had very similar
emails (and they all included the 'out of town' bit). The other parts of
the scam is that they're all zero rated sellers, usually business
sellers, and they registered the day the auction started (surprise
there). Often you find that the auction including the pictures has been
borrowed from someone who's just sold or at least advertised such a
vehicle.

It's also interesting that they keep sending you back the same email
over and over again if you start asking specific questions.

Ian wrote:

> The photographs and words are very convincing - because they have
> simply been copied from a past eBay auction. In at least one case they
> have tried to sell a car which is still up for (real) auction.
> 
> Item number 160142084909 is an example.

That same scammer is also trying to sell a boat in Chester while the 
original listing still appears under completed items. I've reported it.

Ian  wrote:

> There's a whole series of scam cars, often classic, appearing on eBay
> at the moment. Indicators are ...
> 
> Always from a zero rated business seller

That last isn't always true. A couple of years ago I spotted a series of
scams from sellers with very good feedback. The giveaway was the
instruction not to use ebay messaging but to call a number or use email.
I used messaging to ask one seller if he really had the item for sale
and got a "damn my account has been hacked" reply. I tried a few more
(different sellers) and got the same response.

Notified ebay and got a reply telling me that if I did that again they
would terminate my account for "interfering in auctions". It seems like
ebay want to protect the scammers income.

On 14 Aug, 09:27, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:

> That last isn't always true. A couple of years ago I spotted a series of
> scams from sellers with very good feedback.

I believe the traditional method is to have two scammers each buy
fifty things from each other at a 50p buy-it-now price and give good
feedback. Bingo: +50 each for a few quid in fees.

Ian

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:47:26 -0700, Ian 
wrote:

>On 14 Aug, 09:27, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
>
>> That last isn't always true. A couple of years ago I spotted a series of
>> scams from sellers with very good feedback.
>
>I believe the traditional method is to have two scammers each buy
>fifty things from each other at a 50p buy-it-now price and give good
>feedback. Bingo: +50 each for a few quid in fees.
>
Wouldn't work. Feedback is only incremented from different sellers. My
feedback is 337 but I have 383 individual positive comments (and no
negs, before anyone says something!)
-- 
Regards,  Chris    (Please take out my car to reply by plain text email)     
---1967 Riley Elf---1978 Mini 1000---1971 Mini Clubman---
----1972 Mini Clubman estate----------1979 Ford Capri----
-----1966 Triumph Herald Estate------1957 Standard 8-----

Ian wrote
>On 14 Aug, 09:27, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
>
>> That last isn't always true. A couple of years ago I spotted a series of
>> scams from sellers with very good feedback.
>
>I believe the traditional method is to have two scammers each buy
>fifty things from each other at a 50p buy-it-now price and give good
>feedback. Bingo: +50 each for a few quid in fees.
>
(moving sideways slightly ..)
If a low feedback score, always worth checking is how long the
individual has used ebay - mine is low, I have been signed up for, ooh,
er, years, but only occasionally buy anything. 
-- 
Roger Hunt

"Chris Bolus"  wrote in message 
news:eh23c3hqvoudo758fkpbnfobofrrc030a0@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:47:26 -0700, Ian 
> wrote:
>
>>On 14 Aug, 09:27, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
>>
>>> That last isn't always true. A couple of years ago I spotted a 
>>> series of
>>> scams from sellers with very good feedback.
>>
>>I believe the traditional method is to have two scammers each buy
>>fifty things from each other at a 50p buy-it-now price and give good
>>feedback. Bingo: +50 each for a few quid in fees.
>>
> Wouldn't work. Feedback is only incremented from different sellers. 
> My
> feedback is 337 but I have 383 individual positive comments (and no
> negs, before anyone says something!)

But that would be registered identities, that is not the same as 
different people.

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:08:51 +0100, ":Jerry:" <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID>
wrote:

>
>"Chris Bolus"  wrote in message 
>news:eh23c3hqvoudo758fkpbnfobofrrc030a0@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:47:26 -0700, Ian 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 14 Aug, 09:27, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
>>>
>>>> That last isn't always true. A couple of years ago I spotted a 
>>>> series of
>>>> scams from sellers with very good feedback.
>>>
>>>I believe the traditional method is to have two scammers each buy
>>>fifty things from each other at a 50p buy-it-now price and give good
>>>feedback. Bingo: +50 each for a few quid in fees.
>>>
>> Wouldn't work. Feedback is only incremented from different sellers. 
>> My
>> feedback is 337 but I have 383 individual positive comments (and no
>> negs, before anyone says something!)
>
>But that would be registered identities, that is not the same as 
>different people. 
>
True, but how many scammers can keep an account open for long enough to
bother having 50 different identities just to build feedback on an
account they know will get closed as soon as Ebay get tipped off?

In any case, I suspect many scammers aren't all that bright - even
though they rely on attracting punters who also are not that bright!
-- 
Regards,  Chris    (Please take out my car to reply by plain text email)     
---1967 Riley Elf---1978 Mini 1000---1971 Mini Clubman---
----1972 Mini Clubman estate----------1979 Ford Capri----
-----1966 Triumph Herald Estate------1957 Standard 8-----

"Chris Bolus"  wrote in message 
news:6l43c3l4gl2j69jh5i1spraii9p16t1cl5@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 12:08:51 +0100, ":Jerry:" 
> <INVALID@INVALID.INVALID>
> wrote:
>
<snip>
>>
>>But that would be registered identities, that is not the same as
>>different people.
>>
> True, but how many scammers can keep an account open for long enough 
> to
> bother having 50 different identities just to build feedback on an
> account they know will get closed as soon as Ebay get tipped off?

If that is there aim, very easily, remember that to get that feed back 
they don't need to do any scamming - that comes later.

Ian  wrote:

> On 14 Aug, 09:27, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
> 
> > That last isn't always true. A couple of years ago I spotted a series of
> > scams from sellers with very good feedback.
> 
> I believe the traditional method is to have two scammers each buy
> fifty things from each other at a 50p buy-it-now price and give good
> feedback. Bingo: +50 each for a few quid in fees.

The ones I spotted were definitely hijacked accounts, sometimes the
positive feedback was in the 1000s. The one common factor was that the
accounts had been inactive for several months before the scammer used
them.

Roger Hunt  wrote:

> If a low feedback score, always worth checking is how long the
> individual has used ebay - mine is low, I have been signed up for, ooh,
> er, years, but only occasionally buy anything. 

Same here, I'm not driven to buy every bit of tat on eBay.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YKtlK7sn0JQ

Steve Firth wrote:

> The ones I spotted were definitely hijacked accounts, sometimes the
> positive feedback was in the 1000s. The one common factor was that the
> accounts had been inactive for several months before the scammer used
> them.

A common factor here seems to be the "Other Classic Cars" category, zero 
feedback and "Classified Ads" like the one that started this thread.

130141009401
200137013470
170138836040
200138764362
(It'd be entertaining to watch a meeting between the scammer and the 
former owner of that last one!)

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:33:40 GMT, Chris Bolus 
wrote:

>True, but how many scammers can keep an account open for long enough to
>bother having 50 different identities just to build feedback on an
>account they know will get closed as soon as Ebay get tipped off?

5 minutes web searching will find you a script that does just that. It
even does it through proxies so as to give each id a different IP.

Ian wrote:

> On 14 Aug, 09:27, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
> 
> 
>>That last isn't always true. A couple of years ago I spotted a series of
>>scams from sellers with very good feedback.
> 
> 
> I believe the traditional method is to have two scammers each buy
> fifty things from each other at a 50p buy-it-now price and give good
> feedback. Bingo: +50 each for a few quid in fees.
> 
> Ian
> 

mate was stung for buying some vouchers $850,  the seller had about 35 
transactions for small amounts. (most likely to build up creditability)

An envelope arrived via registered post, which contained NO vouchers, 
the seller maintained they were stolen from the post. It was noted when 
the registered item was collected the envelope had been tampered with.

BTW These vouchers could have been cancelled and reissued to resolve the 
matter. They were not.

The item was paid by direct deposit into the sellers bank account.

the emails  stopped so ebay sent the sellers particulars.

C XXXXX
suburb
phone number 0912 345670.

the number ran in consecutive numbers and did not match the area code of 
the suburb.

All false information.

The only saving grace was from the banking information, he now has the 
full particulars of that person.

Case is still being investigated by ebay :) its been 3 weeks since the 
end of the auction.

I would say both ebay (sellers details) and the seller are liable for 
the fraud.

I'm waiting to see what happens.

r

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:33:40 GMT, Chris Bolus 
wrote:

>True, but how many scammers can keep an account open for long enough to
>bother having 50 different identities just to build feedback on an
>account they know will get closed as soon as Ebay get tipped off?

5 minutes web searching will find you a script that does just that. It
even does it through proxies so as to give each id a different IP.

Ian wrote:

> On 14 Aug, 09:27, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
> 
> 
>>That last isn't always true. A couple of years ago I spotted a series of
>>scams from sellers with very good feedback.
> 
> 
> I believe the traditional method is to have two scammers each buy
> fifty things from each other at a 50p buy-it-now price and give good
> feedback. Bingo: +50 each for a few quid in fees.
> 
> Ian
> 

mate was stung for buying some vouchers $850,  the seller had about 35 
transactions for small amounts. (most likely to build up creditability)

An envelope arrived via registered post, which contained NO vouchers, 
the seller maintained they were stolen from the post. It was noted when 
the registered item was collected the envelope had been tampered with.

BTW These vouchers could have been cancelled and reissued to resolve the 
matter. They were not.

The item was paid by direct deposit into the sellers bank account.

the emails  stopped so ebay sent the sellers particulars.

C XXXXX
suburb
phone number 0912 345670.

the number ran in consecutive numbers and did not match the area code of 
the suburb.

All false information.

The only saving grace was from the banking information, he now has the 
full particulars of that person.

Case is still being investigated by ebay :) its been 3 weeks since the 
end of the auction.

I would say both ebay (sellers details) and the seller are liable for 
the fraud.

I'm waiting to see what happens.

r

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:33:40 GMT, Chris Bolus 
wrote:

>True, but how many scammers can keep an account open for long enough to
>bother having 50 different identities just to build feedback on an
>account they know will get closed as soon as Ebay get tipped off?

5 minutes web searching will find you a script that does just that. It
even does it through proxies so as to give each id a different IP.

Ian wrote:

> On 14 Aug, 09:27, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
> 
> 
>>That last isn't always true. A couple of years ago I spotted a series of
>>scams from sellers with very good feedback.
> 
> 
> I believe the traditional method is to have two scammers each buy
> fifty things from each other at a 50p buy-it-now price and give good
> feedback. Bingo: +50 each for a few quid in fees.
> 
> Ian
> 

mate was stung for buying some vouchers $850,  the seller had about 35 
transactions for small amounts. (most likely to build up creditability)

An envelope arrived via registered post, which contained NO vouchers, 
the seller maintained they were stolen from the post. It was noted when 
the registered item was collected the envelope had been tampered with.

BTW These vouchers could have been cancelled and reissued to resolve the 
matter. They were not.

The item was paid by direct deposit into the sellers bank account.

the emails  stopped so ebay sent the sellers particulars.

C XXXXX
suburb
phone number 0912 345670.

the number ran in consecutive numbers and did not match the area code of 
the suburb.

All false information.

The only saving grace was from the banking information, he now has the 
full particulars of that person.

Case is still being investigated by ebay :) its been 3 weeks since the 
end of the auction.

I would say both ebay (sellers details) and the seller are liable for 
the fraud.

I'm waiting to see what happens.

r

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:33:40 GMT, Chris Bolus 
wrote:

>True, but how many scammers can keep an account open for long enough to
>bother having 50 different identities just to build feedback on an
>account they know will get closed as soon as Ebay get tipped off?

5 minutes web searching will find you a script that does just that. It
even does it through proxies so as to give each id a different IP.

Ian wrote:

> On 14 Aug, 09:27, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
> 
> 
>>That last isn't always true. A couple of years ago I spotted a series of
>>scams from sellers with very good feedback.
> 
> 
> I believe the traditional method is to have two scammers each buy
> fifty things from each other at a 50p buy-it-now price and give good
> feedback. Bingo: +50 each for a few quid in fees.
> 
> Ian
> 

mate was stung for buying some vouchers $850,  the seller had about 35 
transactions for small amounts. (most likely to build up creditability)

An envelope arrived via registered post, which contained NO vouchers, 
the seller maintained they were stolen from the post. It was noted when 
the registered item was collected the envelope had been tampered with.

BTW These vouchers could have been cancelled and reissued to resolve the 
matter. They were not.

The item was paid by direct deposit into the sellers bank account.

the emails  stopped so ebay sent the sellers particulars.

C XXXXX
suburb
phone number 0912 345670.

the number ran in consecutive numbers and did not match the area code of 
the suburb.

All false information.

The only saving grace was from the banking information, he now has the 
full particulars of that person.

Case is still being investigated by ebay :) its been 3 weeks since the 
end of the auction.

I would say both ebay (sellers details) and the seller are liable for 
the fraud.

I'm waiting to see what happens.

r

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:33:40 GMT, Chris Bolus 
wrote:

>True, but how many scammers can keep an account open for long enough to
>bother having 50 different identities just to build feedback on an
>account they know will get closed as soon as Ebay get tipped off?

5 minutes web searching will find you a script that does just that. It
even does it through proxies so as to give each id a different IP.

Ian wrote:

> On 14 Aug, 09:27, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
> 
> 
>>That last isn't always true. A couple of years ago I spotted a series of
>>scams from sellers with very good feedback.
> 
> 
> I believe the traditional method is to have two scammers each buy
> fifty things from each other at a 50p buy-it-now price and give good
> feedback. Bingo: +50 each for a few quid in fees.
> 
> Ian
> 

mate was stung for buying some vouchers $850,  the seller had about 35 
transactions for small amounts. (most likely to build up creditability)

An envelope arrived via registered post, which contained NO vouchers, 
the seller maintained they were stolen from the post. It was noted when 
the registered item was collected the envelope had been tampered with.

BTW These vouchers could have been cancelled and reissued to resolve the 
matter. They were not.

The item was paid by direct deposit into the sellers bank account.

the emails  stopped so ebay sent the sellers particulars.

C XXXXX
suburb
phone number 0912 345670.

the number ran in consecutive numbers and did not match the area code of 
the suburb.

All false information.

The only saving grace was from the banking information, he now has the 
full particulars of that person.

Case is still being investigated by ebay :) its been 3 weeks since the 
end of the auction.

I would say both ebay (sellers details) and the seller are liable for 
the fraud.

I'm waiting to see what happens.

r

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:33:40 GMT, Chris Bolus 
wrote:

>True, but how many scammers can keep an account open for long enough to
>bother having 50 different identities just to build feedback on an
>account they know will get closed as soon as Ebay get tipped off?

5 minutes web searching will find you a script that does just that. It
even does it through proxies so as to give each id a different IP.

Ian wrote:

> On 14 Aug, 09:27, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
> 
> 
>>That last isn't always true. A couple of years ago I spotted a series of
>>scams from sellers with very good feedback.
> 
> 
> I believe the traditional method is to have two scammers each buy
> fifty things from each other at a 50p buy-it-now price and give good
> feedback. Bingo: +50 each for a few quid in fees.
> 
> Ian
> 

mate was stung for buying some vouchers $850,  the seller had about 35 
transactions for small amounts. (most likely to build up creditability)

An envelope arrived via registered post, which contained NO vouchers, 
the seller maintained they were stolen from the post. It was noted when 
the registered item was collected the envelope had been tampered with.

BTW These vouchers could have been cancelled and reissued to resolve the 
matter. They were not.

The item was paid by direct deposit into the sellers bank account.

the emails  stopped so ebay sent the sellers particulars.

C XXXXX
suburb
phone number 0912 345670.

the number ran in consecutive numbers and did not match the area code of 
the suburb.

All false information.

The only saving grace was from the banking information, he now has the 
full particulars of that person.

Case is still being investigated by ebay :) its been 3 weeks since the 
end of the auction.

I would say both ebay (sellers details) and the seller are liable for 
the fraud.

I'm waiting to see what happens.

r

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:33:40 GMT, Chris Bolus 
wrote:

>True, but how many scammers can keep an account open for long enough to
>bother having 50 different identities just to build feedback on an
>account they know will get closed as soon as Ebay get tipped off?

5 minutes web searching will find you a script that does just that. It
even does it through proxies so as to give each id a different IP.

Ian wrote:

> On 14 Aug, 09:27, %ste...@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) wrote:
> 
> 
>>That last isn't always true. A couple of years ago I spotted a series of
>>scams from sellers with very good feedback.
> 
> 
> I believe the traditional method is to have two scammers each buy
> fifty things from each other at a 50p buy-it-now price and give good
> feedback. Bingo: +50 each for a few quid in fees.
> 
> Ian
> 

mate was stung