Buying a Freelander
I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander can anyone
advise me on which is the best and most reliable model to buy, also
what faults should i be looking for?
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somersetviking
date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:05:43 +0100
author: somersetviking
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Re: Buying a Freelander
somersetviking wrote:
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander can anyone
> advise me on which is the best and most reliable model to buy, also
> what faults should i be looking for?
Blown head gaskets are a common affliction for 1.8-litre petrol-engined
Freelanders. It's a well known problem and is caused by allowing the coolant
level in the very small tank to get low. Check for water in the oil. The
other engines have proved to be very reliable.
Any damage to the suspension from off-roading will expensive to repair,
while the rear differential can fail with little warning. Manual gearboxes
can also become noisy and fail. Other failures are more likely to be
electrical, especially the rear door's window, which can drop unexpectedly.
TD4 seems OK, stay away from the earlier diesel (DI?) and get the most
modern - truly BAD when they came out and got better, better compared with
earlier versions but not up to class average
If I remember they come out bottom in the reliability stakes with all the
french and italian cars.
And actually If you after 4*4 "safety" I believe they only got a 3 star in
the NCAP results
date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:01:19 GMT
author: Tommy
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/index.php?url=/carbycar/index.htm
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:34:39 GMT
author: TTT
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/index.php?url=/carbycar/index.htm
Maybe, but how many other cars can you compare to after 8 years; most are
rust buckets or mechanically f....d
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:03:52 GMT
author: Hirsty's
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> Maybe, but how many other cars can you compare to after 8 years; most are
> rust buckets or mechanically f....d
>
>
Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
years old.
Depending what the OP wants to use it for, a Honda CR-V or petrol Nissan
X-Trail (Avoid the diesel X-trail) might be a better alternative.
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:36:56 GMT
author: TTT
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> >
> Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
> years old
I was reffering to real LR such as Defender, S1 S2 S3 which seem to have a
biased reveiw in the link you show
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:35:55 GMT
author: Hirsty's
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
Hirsty's wrote:
> > >
> > Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
> > years old
>
> I was reffering to real LR such as Defender, S1 S2 S3 which seem to have a
> biased reveiw in the link you show
You're talking crap, HTH.
Firstly the link does not take you to a review of Defender models, or
even the Freelander to be honest. So you *chose* to look at the Defender
link. There's no mention of S1/2/3 or Stage One V8 vehicles.
Secondly this thread was about Freelander vehicles, not the Defender.
And finally there's no bias in the review, it simply states the truth
that Defenders suffered from a number of problems. Hell it even gives
objective results such as Defender models being at the bottom of several
reviews of reliability since 1997.
date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 07:31:03 +0100
author: %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
"somersetviking" wrote in message
news:somersetviking.2p887t@autobanter.co.uk...
>
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander can anyone
> advise me on which is the best and most reliable model to buy, also
> what faults should i be looking for?
>
>
Faults and problems? Anything you can think of pretty much!
There are much much better SUV's about than the Freelander.
If you must though- probably the earlier L series TD, but one of the last
ones- 51 plate area.
Tim..
date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:13:44 +0100
author: Tim..
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
somersetviking wrote:
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander can anyone
> advise me on which is the best and most reliable model to buy, also
> what faults should i be looking for?
Blown head gaskets are a common affliction for 1.8-litre petrol-engined
Freelanders. It's a well known problem and is caused by allowing the coolant
level in the very small tank to get low. Check for water in the oil. The
other engines have proved to be very reliable.
Any damage to the suspension from off-roading will expensive to repair,
while the rear differential can fail with little warning. Manual gearboxes
can also become noisy and fail. Other failures are more likely to be
electrical, especially the rear door's window, which can drop unexpectedly.
TD4 seems OK, stay away from the earlier diesel (DI?) and get the most
modern - truly BAD when they came out and got better, better compared with
earlier versions but not up to class average
If I remember they come out bottom in the reliability stakes with all the
french and italian cars.
And actually If you after 4*4 "safety" I believe they only got a 3 star in
the NCAP results
date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:01:19 GMT
author: Tommy
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/index.php?url=/carbycar/index.htm
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:34:39 GMT
author: TTT
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/index.php?url=/carbycar/index.htm
Maybe, but how many other cars can you compare to after 8 years; most are
rust buckets or mechanically f....d
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:03:52 GMT
author: Hirsty's
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> Maybe, but how many other cars can you compare to after 8 years; most are
> rust buckets or mechanically f....d
>
>
Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
years old.
Depending what the OP wants to use it for, a Honda CR-V or petrol Nissan
X-Trail (Avoid the diesel X-trail) might be a better alternative.
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:36:56 GMT
author: TTT
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> >
> Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
> years old
I was reffering to real LR such as Defender, S1 S2 S3 which seem to have a
biased reveiw in the link you show
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:35:55 GMT
author: Hirsty's
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
Hirsty's wrote:
> > >
> > Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
> > years old
>
> I was reffering to real LR such as Defender, S1 S2 S3 which seem to have a
> biased reveiw in the link you show
You're talking crap, HTH.
Firstly the link does not take you to a review of Defender models, or
even the Freelander to be honest. So you *chose* to look at the Defender
link. There's no mention of S1/2/3 or Stage One V8 vehicles.
Secondly this thread was about Freelander vehicles, not the Defender.
And finally there's no bias in the review, it simply states the truth
that Defenders suffered from a number of problems. Hell it even gives
objective results such as Defender models being at the bottom of several
reviews of reliability since 1997.
date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 07:31:03 +0100
author: %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
"somersetviking" wrote in message
news:somersetviking.2p887t@autobanter.co.uk...
>
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander can anyone
> advise me on which is the best and most reliable model to buy, also
> what faults should i be looking for?
>
>
Faults and problems? Anything you can think of pretty much!
There are much much better SUV's about than the Freelander.
If you must though- probably the earlier L series TD, but one of the last
ones- 51 plate area.
Tim..
date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:13:44 +0100
author: Tim..
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
somersetviking wrote:
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander can anyone
> advise me on which is the best and most reliable model to buy, also
> what faults should i be looking for?
Blown head gaskets are a common affliction for 1.8-litre petrol-engined
Freelanders. It's a well known problem and is caused by allowing the coolant
level in the very small tank to get low. Check for water in the oil. The
other engines have proved to be very reliable.
Any damage to the suspension from off-roading will expensive to repair,
while the rear differential can fail with little warning. Manual gearboxes
can also become noisy and fail. Other failures are more likely to be
electrical, especially the rear door's window, which can drop unexpectedly.
TD4 seems OK, stay away from the earlier diesel (DI?) and get the most
modern - truly BAD when they came out and got better, better compared with
earlier versions but not up to class average
If I remember they come out bottom in the reliability stakes with all the
french and italian cars.
And actually If you after 4*4 "safety" I believe they only got a 3 star in
the NCAP results
date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:01:19 GMT
author: Tommy
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/index.php?url=/carbycar/index.htm
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:34:39 GMT
author: TTT
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/index.php?url=/carbycar/index.htm
Maybe, but how many other cars can you compare to after 8 years; most are
rust buckets or mechanically f....d
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:03:52 GMT
author: Hirsty's
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> Maybe, but how many other cars can you compare to after 8 years; most are
> rust buckets or mechanically f....d
>
>
Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
years old.
Depending what the OP wants to use it for, a Honda CR-V or petrol Nissan
X-Trail (Avoid the diesel X-trail) might be a better alternative.
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:36:56 GMT
author: TTT
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> >
> Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
> years old
I was reffering to real LR such as Defender, S1 S2 S3 which seem to have a
biased reveiw in the link you show
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:35:55 GMT
author: Hirsty's
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
Hirsty's wrote:
> > >
> > Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
> > years old
>
> I was reffering to real LR such as Defender, S1 S2 S3 which seem to have a
> biased reveiw in the link you show
You're talking crap, HTH.
Firstly the link does not take you to a review of Defender models, or
even the Freelander to be honest. So you *chose* to look at the Defender
link. There's no mention of S1/2/3 or Stage One V8 vehicles.
Secondly this thread was about Freelander vehicles, not the Defender.
And finally there's no bias in the review, it simply states the truth
that Defenders suffered from a number of problems. Hell it even gives
objective results such as Defender models being at the bottom of several
reviews of reliability since 1997.
date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 07:31:03 +0100
author: %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
"somersetviking" wrote in message
news:somersetviking.2p887t@autobanter.co.uk...
>
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander can anyone
> advise me on which is the best and most reliable model to buy, also
> what faults should i be looking for?
>
>
Faults and problems? Anything you can think of pretty much!
There are much much better SUV's about than the Freelander.
If you must though- probably the earlier L series TD, but one of the last
ones- 51 plate area.
Tim..
date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:13:44 +0100
author: Tim..
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
somersetviking wrote:
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander can anyone
> advise me on which is the best and most reliable model to buy, also
> what faults should i be looking for?
Blown head gaskets are a common affliction for 1.8-litre petrol-engined
Freelanders. It's a well known problem and is caused by allowing the coolant
level in the very small tank to get low. Check for water in the oil. The
other engines have proved to be very reliable.
Any damage to the suspension from off-roading will expensive to repair,
while the rear differential can fail with little warning. Manual gearboxes
can also become noisy and fail. Other failures are more likely to be
electrical, especially the rear door's window, which can drop unexpectedly.
TD4 seems OK, stay away from the earlier diesel (DI?) and get the most
modern - truly BAD when they came out and got better, better compared with
earlier versions but not up to class average
If I remember they come out bottom in the reliability stakes with all the
french and italian cars.
And actually If you after 4*4 "safety" I believe they only got a 3 star in
the NCAP results
date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:01:19 GMT
author: Tommy
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/index.php?url=/carbycar/index.htm
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:34:39 GMT
author: TTT
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/index.php?url=/carbycar/index.htm
Maybe, but how many other cars can you compare to after 8 years; most are
rust buckets or mechanically f....d
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:03:52 GMT
author: Hirsty's
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> Maybe, but how many other cars can you compare to after 8 years; most are
> rust buckets or mechanically f....d
>
>
Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
years old.
Depending what the OP wants to use it for, a Honda CR-V or petrol Nissan
X-Trail (Avoid the diesel X-trail) might be a better alternative.
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:36:56 GMT
author: TTT
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> >
> Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
> years old
I was reffering to real LR such as Defender, S1 S2 S3 which seem to have a
biased reveiw in the link you show
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:35:55 GMT
author: Hirsty's
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
Hirsty's wrote:
> > >
> > Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
> > years old
>
> I was reffering to real LR such as Defender, S1 S2 S3 which seem to have a
> biased reveiw in the link you show
You're talking crap, HTH.
Firstly the link does not take you to a review of Defender models, or
even the Freelander to be honest. So you *chose* to look at the Defender
link. There's no mention of S1/2/3 or Stage One V8 vehicles.
Secondly this thread was about Freelander vehicles, not the Defender.
And finally there's no bias in the review, it simply states the truth
that Defenders suffered from a number of problems. Hell it even gives
objective results such as Defender models being at the bottom of several
reviews of reliability since 1997.
date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 07:31:03 +0100
author: %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
"somersetviking" wrote in message
news:somersetviking.2p887t@autobanter.co.uk...
>
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander can anyone
> advise me on which is the best and most reliable model to buy, also
> what faults should i be looking for?
>
>
Faults and problems? Anything you can think of pretty much!
There are much much better SUV's about than the Freelander.
If you must though- probably the earlier L series TD, but one of the last
ones- 51 plate area.
Tim..
date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:13:44 +0100
author: Tim..
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
somersetviking wrote:
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander can anyone
> advise me on which is the best and most reliable model to buy, also
> what faults should i be looking for?
Blown head gaskets are a common affliction for 1.8-litre petrol-engined
Freelanders. It's a well known problem and is caused by allowing the coolant
level in the very small tank to get low. Check for water in the oil. The
other engines have proved to be very reliable.
Any damage to the suspension from off-roading will expensive to repair,
while the rear differential can fail with little warning. Manual gearboxes
can also become noisy and fail. Other failures are more likely to be
electrical, especially the rear door's window, which can drop unexpectedly.
TD4 seems OK, stay away from the earlier diesel (DI?) and get the most
modern - truly BAD when they came out and got better, better compared with
earlier versions but not up to class average
If I remember they come out bottom in the reliability stakes with all the
french and italian cars.
And actually If you after 4*4 "safety" I believe they only got a 3 star in
the NCAP results
date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:01:19 GMT
author: Tommy
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/index.php?url=/carbycar/index.htm
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:34:39 GMT
author: TTT
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/index.php?url=/carbycar/index.htm
Maybe, but how many other cars can you compare to after 8 years; most are
rust buckets or mechanically f....d
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:03:52 GMT
author: Hirsty's
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> Maybe, but how many other cars can you compare to after 8 years; most are
> rust buckets or mechanically f....d
>
>
Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
years old.
Depending what the OP wants to use it for, a Honda CR-V or petrol Nissan
X-Trail (Avoid the diesel X-trail) might be a better alternative.
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:36:56 GMT
author: TTT
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> >
> Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
> years old
I was reffering to real LR such as Defender, S1 S2 S3 which seem to have a
biased reveiw in the link you show
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:35:55 GMT
author: Hirsty's
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
Hirsty's wrote:
> > >
> > Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
> > years old
>
> I was reffering to real LR such as Defender, S1 S2 S3 which seem to have a
> biased reveiw in the link you show
You're talking crap, HTH.
Firstly the link does not take you to a review of Defender models, or
even the Freelander to be honest. So you *chose* to look at the Defender
link. There's no mention of S1/2/3 or Stage One V8 vehicles.
Secondly this thread was about Freelander vehicles, not the Defender.
And finally there's no bias in the review, it simply states the truth
that Defenders suffered from a number of problems. Hell it even gives
objective results such as Defender models being at the bottom of several
reviews of reliability since 1997.
date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 07:31:03 +0100
author: %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
"somersetviking" wrote in message
news:somersetviking.2p887t@autobanter.co.uk...
>
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander can anyone
> advise me on which is the best and most reliable model to buy, also
> what faults should i be looking for?
>
>
Faults and problems? Anything you can think of pretty much!
There are much much better SUV's about than the Freelander.
If you must though- probably the earlier L series TD, but one of the last
ones- 51 plate area.
Tim..
date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:13:44 +0100
author: Tim..
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
somersetviking wrote:
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander can anyone
> advise me on which is the best and most reliable model to buy, also
> what faults should i be looking for?
Blown head gaskets are a common affliction for 1.8-litre petrol-engined
Freelanders. It's a well known problem and is caused by allowing the coolant
level in the very small tank to get low. Check for water in the oil. The
other engines have proved to be very reliable.
Any damage to the suspension from off-roading will expensive to repair,
while the rear differential can fail with little warning. Manual gearboxes
can also become noisy and fail. Other failures are more likely to be
electrical, especially the rear door's window, which can drop unexpectedly.
TD4 seems OK, stay away from the earlier diesel (DI?) and get the most
modern - truly BAD when they came out and got better, better compared with
earlier versions but not up to class average
If I remember they come out bottom in the reliability stakes with all the
french and italian cars.
And actually If you after 4*4 "safety" I believe they only got a 3 star in
the NCAP results
date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:01:19 GMT
author: Tommy
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/index.php?url=/carbycar/index.htm
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:34:39 GMT
author: TTT
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/index.php?url=/carbycar/index.htm
Maybe, but how many other cars can you compare to after 8 years; most are
rust buckets or mechanically f....d
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:03:52 GMT
author: Hirsty's
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> Maybe, but how many other cars can you compare to after 8 years; most are
> rust buckets or mechanically f....d
>
>
Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
years old.
Depending what the OP wants to use it for, a Honda CR-V or petrol Nissan
X-Trail (Avoid the diesel X-trail) might be a better alternative.
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:36:56 GMT
author: TTT
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> >
> Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
> years old
I was reffering to real LR such as Defender, S1 S2 S3 which seem to have a
biased reveiw in the link you show
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:35:55 GMT
author: Hirsty's
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
Hirsty's wrote:
> > >
> > Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
> > years old
>
> I was reffering to real LR such as Defender, S1 S2 S3 which seem to have a
> biased reveiw in the link you show
You're talking crap, HTH.
Firstly the link does not take you to a review of Defender models, or
even the Freelander to be honest. So you *chose* to look at the Defender
link. There's no mention of S1/2/3 or Stage One V8 vehicles.
Secondly this thread was about Freelander vehicles, not the Defender.
And finally there's no bias in the review, it simply states the truth
that Defenders suffered from a number of problems. Hell it even gives
objective results such as Defender models being at the bottom of several
reviews of reliability since 1997.
date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 07:31:03 +0100
author: %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
"somersetviking" wrote in message
news:somersetviking.2p887t@autobanter.co.uk...
>
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander can anyone
> advise me on which is the best and most reliable model to buy, also
> what faults should i be looking for?
>
>
Faults and problems? Anything you can think of pretty much!
There are much much better SUV's about than the Freelander.
If you must though- probably the earlier L series TD, but one of the last
ones- 51 plate area.
Tim..
date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:13:44 +0100
author: Tim..
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
somersetviking wrote:
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander can anyone
> advise me on which is the best and most reliable model to buy, also
> what faults should i be looking for?
Blown head gaskets are a common affliction for 1.8-litre petrol-engined
Freelanders. It's a well known problem and is caused by allowing the coolant
level in the very small tank to get low. Check for water in the oil. The
other engines have proved to be very reliable.
Any damage to the suspension from off-roading will expensive to repair,
while the rear differential can fail with little warning. Manual gearboxes
can also become noisy and fail. Other failures are more likely to be
electrical, especially the rear door's window, which can drop unexpectedly.
TD4 seems OK, stay away from the earlier diesel (DI?) and get the most
modern - truly BAD when they came out and got better, better compared with
earlier versions but not up to class average
If I remember they come out bottom in the reliability stakes with all the
french and italian cars.
And actually If you after 4*4 "safety" I believe they only got a 3 star in
the NCAP results
date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:01:19 GMT
author: Tommy
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/index.php?url=/carbycar/index.htm
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:34:39 GMT
author: TTT
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/index.php?url=/carbycar/index.htm
Maybe, but how many other cars can you compare to after 8 years; most are
rust buckets or mechanically f....d
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:03:52 GMT
author: Hirsty's
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> Maybe, but how many other cars can you compare to after 8 years; most are
> rust buckets or mechanically f....d
>
>
Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
years old.
Depending what the OP wants to use it for, a Honda CR-V or petrol Nissan
X-Trail (Avoid the diesel X-trail) might be a better alternative.
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:36:56 GMT
author: TTT
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> >
> Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
> years old
I was reffering to real LR such as Defender, S1 S2 S3 which seem to have a
biased reveiw in the link you show
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:35:55 GMT
author: Hirsty's
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
Hirsty's wrote:
> > >
> > Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
> > years old
>
> I was reffering to real LR such as Defender, S1 S2 S3 which seem to have a
> biased reveiw in the link you show
You're talking crap, HTH.
Firstly the link does not take you to a review of Defender models, or
even the Freelander to be honest. So you *chose* to look at the Defender
link. There's no mention of S1/2/3 or Stage One V8 vehicles.
Secondly this thread was about Freelander vehicles, not the Defender.
And finally there's no bias in the review, it simply states the truth
that Defenders suffered from a number of problems. Hell it even gives
objective results such as Defender models being at the bottom of several
reviews of reliability since 1997.
date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 07:31:03 +0100
author: %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
"somersetviking" wrote in message
news:somersetviking.2p887t@autobanter.co.uk...
>
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander can anyone
> advise me on which is the best and most reliable model to buy, also
> what faults should i be looking for?
>
>
Faults and problems? Anything you can think of pretty much!
There are much much better SUV's about than the Freelander.
If you must though- probably the earlier L series TD, but one of the last
ones- 51 plate area.
Tim..
date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:13:44 +0100
author: Tim..
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
somersetviking wrote:
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander can anyone
> advise me on which is the best and most reliable model to buy, also
> what faults should i be looking for?
Blown head gaskets are a common affliction for 1.8-litre petrol-engined
Freelanders. It's a well known problem and is caused by allowing the coolant
level in the very small tank to get low. Check for water in the oil. The
other engines have proved to be very reliable.
Any damage to the suspension from off-roading will expensive to repair,
while the rear differential can fail with little warning. Manual gearboxes
can also become noisy and fail. Other failures are more likely to be
electrical, especially the rear door's window, which can drop unexpectedly.
TD4 seems OK, stay away from the earlier diesel (DI?) and get the most
modern - truly BAD when they came out and got better, better compared with
earlier versions but not up to class average
If I remember they come out bottom in the reliability stakes with all the
french and italian cars.
And actually If you after 4*4 "safety" I believe they only got a 3 star in
the NCAP results
date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:01:19 GMT
author: Tommy
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/index.php?url=/carbycar/index.htm
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:34:39 GMT
author: TTT
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/index.php?url=/carbycar/index.htm
Maybe, but how many other cars can you compare to after 8 years; most are
rust buckets or mechanically f....d
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:03:52 GMT
author: Hirsty's
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> Maybe, but how many other cars can you compare to after 8 years; most are
> rust buckets or mechanically f....d
>
>
Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
years old.
Depending what the OP wants to use it for, a Honda CR-V or petrol Nissan
X-Trail (Avoid the diesel X-trail) might be a better alternative.
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:36:56 GMT
author: TTT
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> >
> Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
> years old
I was reffering to real LR such as Defender, S1 S2 S3 which seem to have a
biased reveiw in the link you show
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:35:55 GMT
author: Hirsty's
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
Hirsty's wrote:
> > >
> > Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
> > years old
>
> I was reffering to real LR such as Defender, S1 S2 S3 which seem to have a
> biased reveiw in the link you show
You're talking crap, HTH.
Firstly the link does not take you to a review of Defender models, or
even the Freelander to be honest. So you *chose* to look at the Defender
link. There's no mention of S1/2/3 or Stage One V8 vehicles.
Secondly this thread was about Freelander vehicles, not the Defender.
And finally there's no bias in the review, it simply states the truth
that Defenders suffered from a number of problems. Hell it even gives
objective results such as Defender models being at the bottom of several
reviews of reliability since 1997.
date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 07:31:03 +0100
author: %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
"somersetviking" wrote in message
news:somersetviking.2p887t@autobanter.co.uk...
>
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander can anyone
> advise me on which is the best and most reliable model to buy, also
> what faults should i be looking for?
>
>
Faults and problems? Anything you can think of pretty much!
There are much much better SUV's about than the Freelander.
If you must though- probably the earlier L series TD, but one of the last
ones- 51 plate area.
Tim..
date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:13:44 +0100
author: Tim..
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
somersetviking wrote:
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander can anyone
> advise me on which is the best and most reliable model to buy, also
> what faults should i be looking for?
Blown head gaskets are a common affliction for 1.8-litre petrol-engined
Freelanders. It's a well known problem and is caused by allowing the coolant
level in the very small tank to get low. Check for water in the oil. The
other engines have proved to be very reliable.
Any damage to the suspension from off-roading will expensive to repair,
while the rear differential can fail with little warning. Manual gearboxes
can also become noisy and fail. Other failures are more likely to be
electrical, especially the rear door's window, which can drop unexpectedly.
TD4 seems OK, stay away from the earlier diesel (DI?) and get the most
modern - truly BAD when they came out and got better, better compared with
earlier versions but not up to class average
If I remember they come out bottom in the reliability stakes with all the
french and italian cars.
And actually If you after 4*4 "safety" I believe they only got a 3 star in
the NCAP results
date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:01:19 GMT
author: Tommy
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/index.php?url=/carbycar/index.htm
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:34:39 GMT
author: TTT
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/index.php?url=/carbycar/index.htm
Maybe, but how many other cars can you compare to after 8 years; most are
rust buckets or mechanically f....d
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:03:52 GMT
author: Hirsty's
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> Maybe, but how many other cars can you compare to after 8 years; most are
> rust buckets or mechanically f....d
>
>
Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
years old.
Depending what the OP wants to use it for, a Honda CR-V or petrol Nissan
X-Trail (Avoid the diesel X-trail) might be a better alternative.
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:36:56 GMT
author: TTT
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> >
> Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
> years old
I was reffering to real LR such as Defender, S1 S2 S3 which seem to have a
biased reveiw in the link you show
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:35:55 GMT
author: Hirsty's
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
Hirsty's wrote:
> > >
> > Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
> > years old
>
> I was reffering to real LR such as Defender, S1 S2 S3 which seem to have a
> biased reveiw in the link you show
You're talking crap, HTH.
Firstly the link does not take you to a review of Defender models, or
even the Freelander to be honest. So you *chose* to look at the Defender
link. There's no mention of S1/2/3 or Stage One V8 vehicles.
Secondly this thread was about Freelander vehicles, not the Defender.
And finally there's no bias in the review, it simply states the truth
that Defenders suffered from a number of problems. Hell it even gives
objective results such as Defender models being at the bottom of several
reviews of reliability since 1997.
date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 07:31:03 +0100
author: %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
"somersetviking" wrote in message
news:somersetviking.2p887t@autobanter.co.uk...
>
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander can anyone
> advise me on which is the best and most reliable model to buy, also
> what faults should i be looking for?
>
>
Faults and problems? Anything you can think of pretty much!
There are much much better SUV's about than the Freelander.
If you must though- probably the earlier L series TD, but one of the last
ones- 51 plate area.
Tim..
date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:13:44 +0100
author: Tim..
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
somersetviking wrote:
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander can anyone
> advise me on which is the best and most reliable model to buy, also
> what faults should i be looking for?
Blown head gaskets are a common affliction for 1.8-litre petrol-engined
Freelanders. It's a well known problem and is caused by allowing the coolant
level in the very small tank to get low. Check for water in the oil. The
other engines have proved to be very reliable.
Any damage to the suspension from off-roading will expensive to repair,
while the rear differential can fail with little warning. Manual gearboxes
can also become noisy and fail. Other failures are more likely to be
electrical, especially the rear door's window, which can drop unexpectedly.
TD4 seems OK, stay away from the earlier diesel (DI?) and get the most
modern - truly BAD when they came out and got better, better compared with
earlier versions but not up to class average
If I remember they come out bottom in the reliability stakes with all the
french and italian cars.
And actually If you after 4*4 "safety" I believe they only got a 3 star in
the NCAP results
date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:01:19 GMT
author: Tommy
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/index.php?url=/carbycar/index.htm
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:34:39 GMT
author: TTT
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/index.php?url=/carbycar/index.htm
Maybe, but how many other cars can you compare to after 8 years; most are
rust buckets or mechanically f....d
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:03:52 GMT
author: Hirsty's
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> Maybe, but how many other cars can you compare to after 8 years; most are
> rust buckets or mechanically f....d
>
>
Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
years old.
Depending what the OP wants to use it for, a Honda CR-V or petrol Nissan
X-Trail (Avoid the diesel X-trail) might be a better alternative.
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:36:56 GMT
author: TTT
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> >
> Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
> years old
I was reffering to real LR such as Defender, S1 S2 S3 which seem to have a
biased reveiw in the link you show
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:35:55 GMT
author: Hirsty's
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
Hirsty's wrote:
> > >
> > Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
> > years old
>
> I was reffering to real LR such as Defender, S1 S2 S3 which seem to have a
> biased reveiw in the link you show
You're talking crap, HTH.
Firstly the link does not take you to a review of Defender models, or
even the Freelander to be honest. So you *chose* to look at the Defender
link. There's no mention of S1/2/3 or Stage One V8 vehicles.
Secondly this thread was about Freelander vehicles, not the Defender.
And finally there's no bias in the review, it simply states the truth
that Defenders suffered from a number of problems. Hell it even gives
objective results such as Defender models being at the bottom of several
reviews of reliability since 1997.
date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 07:31:03 +0100
author: %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
"somersetviking" wrote in message
news:somersetviking.2p887t@autobanter.co.uk...
>
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander can anyone
> advise me on which is the best and most reliable model to buy, also
> what faults should i be looking for?
>
>
Faults and problems? Anything you can think of pretty much!
There are much much better SUV's about than the Freelander.
If you must though- probably the earlier L series TD, but one of the last
ones- 51 plate area.
Tim..
date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:13:44 +0100
author: Tim..
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
somersetviking wrote:
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander can anyone
> advise me on which is the best and most reliable model to buy, also
> what faults should i be looking for?
Blown head gaskets are a common affliction for 1.8-litre petrol-engined
Freelanders. It's a well known problem and is caused by allowing the coolant
level in the very small tank to get low. Check for water in the oil. The
other engines have proved to be very reliable.
Any damage to the suspension from off-roading will expensive to repair,
while the rear differential can fail with little warning. Manual gearboxes
can also become noisy and fail. Other failures are more likely to be
electrical, especially the rear door's window, which can drop unexpectedly.
TD4 seems OK, stay away from the earlier diesel (DI?) and get the most
modern - truly BAD when they came out and got better, better compared with
earlier versions but not up to class average
If I remember they come out bottom in the reliability stakes with all the
french and italian cars.
And actually If you after 4*4 "safety" I believe they only got a 3 star in
the NCAP results
date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:01:19 GMT
author: Tommy
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/index.php?url=/carbycar/index.htm
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:34:39 GMT
author: TTT
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/index.php?url=/carbycar/index.htm
Maybe, but how many other cars can you compare to after 8 years; most are
rust buckets or mechanically f....d
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:03:52 GMT
author: Hirsty's
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> Maybe, but how many other cars can you compare to after 8 years; most are
> rust buckets or mechanically f....d
>
>
Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
years old.
Depending what the OP wants to use it for, a Honda CR-V or petrol Nissan
X-Trail (Avoid the diesel X-trail) might be a better alternative.
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:36:56 GMT
author: TTT
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> >
> Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
> years old
I was reffering to real LR such as Defender, S1 S2 S3 which seem to have a
biased reveiw in the link you show
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:35:55 GMT
author: Hirsty's
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
Hirsty's wrote:
> > >
> > Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
> > years old
>
> I was reffering to real LR such as Defender, S1 S2 S3 which seem to have a
> biased reveiw in the link you show
You're talking crap, HTH.
Firstly the link does not take you to a review of Defender models, or
even the Freelander to be honest. So you *chose* to look at the Defender
link. There's no mention of S1/2/3 or Stage One V8 vehicles.
Secondly this thread was about Freelander vehicles, not the Defender.
And finally there's no bias in the review, it simply states the truth
that Defenders suffered from a number of problems. Hell it even gives
objective results such as Defender models being at the bottom of several
reviews of reliability since 1997.
date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 07:31:03 +0100
author: %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
"somersetviking" wrote in message
news:somersetviking.2p887t@autobanter.co.uk...
>
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander can anyone
> advise me on which is the best and most reliable model to buy, also
> what faults should i be looking for?
>
>
Faults and problems? Anything you can think of pretty much!
There are much much better SUV's about than the Freelander.
If you must though- probably the earlier L series TD, but one of the last
ones- 51 plate area.
Tim..
date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:13:44 +0100
author: Tim..
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
somersetviking wrote:
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander can anyone
> advise me on which is the best and most reliable model to buy, also
> what faults should i be looking for?
Blown head gaskets are a common affliction for 1.8-litre petrol-engined
Freelanders. It's a well known problem and is caused by allowing the coolant
level in the very small tank to get low. Check for water in the oil. The
other engines have proved to be very reliable.
Any damage to the suspension from off-roading will expensive to repair,
while the rear differential can fail with little warning. Manual gearboxes
can also become noisy and fail. Other failures are more likely to be
electrical, especially the rear door's window, which can drop unexpectedly.
TD4 seems OK, stay away from the earlier diesel (DI?) and get the most
modern - truly BAD when they came out and got better, better compared with
earlier versions but not up to class average
If I remember they come out bottom in the reliability stakes with all the
french and italian cars.
And actually If you after 4*4 "safety" I believe they only got a 3 star in
the NCAP results
date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:01:19 GMT
author: Tommy
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/index.php?url=/carbycar/index.htm
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:34:39 GMT
author: TTT
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/index.php?url=/carbycar/index.htm
Maybe, but how many other cars can you compare to after 8 years; most are
rust buckets or mechanically f....d
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:03:52 GMT
author: Hirsty's
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> Maybe, but how many other cars can you compare to after 8 years; most are
> rust buckets or mechanically f....d
>
>
Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
years old.
Depending what the OP wants to use it for, a Honda CR-V or petrol Nissan
X-Trail (Avoid the diesel X-trail) might be a better alternative.
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:36:56 GMT
author: TTT
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> >
> Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
> years old
I was reffering to real LR such as Defender, S1 S2 S3 which seem to have a
biased reveiw in the link you show
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:35:55 GMT
author: Hirsty's
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
Hirsty's wrote:
> > >
> > Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
> > years old
>
> I was reffering to real LR such as Defender, S1 S2 S3 which seem to have a
> biased reveiw in the link you show
You're talking crap, HTH.
Firstly the link does not take you to a review of Defender models, or
even the Freelander to be honest. So you *chose* to look at the Defender
link. There's no mention of S1/2/3 or Stage One V8 vehicles.
Secondly this thread was about Freelander vehicles, not the Defender.
And finally there's no bias in the review, it simply states the truth
that Defenders suffered from a number of problems. Hell it even gives
objective results such as Defender models being at the bottom of several
reviews of reliability since 1997.
date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 07:31:03 +0100
author: %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
"somersetviking" wrote in message
news:somersetviking.2p887t@autobanter.co.uk...
>
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander can anyone
> advise me on which is the best and most reliable model to buy, also
> what faults should i be looking for?
>
>
Faults and problems? Anything you can think of pretty much!
There are much much better SUV's about than the Freelander.
If you must though- probably the earlier L series TD, but one of the last
ones- 51 plate area.
Tim..
date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:13:44 +0100
author: Tim..
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
somersetviking wrote:
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander can anyone
> advise me on which is the best and most reliable model to buy, also
> what faults should i be looking for?
Blown head gaskets are a common affliction for 1.8-litre petrol-engined
Freelanders. It's a well known problem and is caused by allowing the coolant
level in the very small tank to get low. Check for water in the oil. The
other engines have proved to be very reliable.
Any damage to the suspension from off-roading will expensive to repair,
while the rear differential can fail with little warning. Manual gearboxes
can also become noisy and fail. Other failures are more likely to be
electrical, especially the rear door's window, which can drop unexpectedly.
TD4 seems OK, stay away from the earlier diesel (DI?) and get the most
modern - truly BAD when they came out and got better, better compared with
earlier versions but not up to class average
If I remember they come out bottom in the reliability stakes with all the
french and italian cars.
And actually If you after 4*4 "safety" I believe they only got a 3 star in
the NCAP results
date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:01:19 GMT
author: Tommy
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/index.php?url=/carbycar/index.htm
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:34:39 GMT
author: TTT
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/index.php?url=/carbycar/index.htm
Maybe, but how many other cars can you compare to after 8 years; most are
rust buckets or mechanically f....d
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:03:52 GMT
author: Hirsty's
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> Maybe, but how many other cars can you compare to after 8 years; most are
> rust buckets or mechanically f....d
>
>
Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
years old.
Depending what the OP wants to use it for, a Honda CR-V or petrol Nissan
X-Trail (Avoid the diesel X-trail) might be a better alternative.
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:36:56 GMT
author: TTT
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> >
> Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
> years old
I was reffering to real LR such as Defender, S1 S2 S3 which seem to have a
biased reveiw in the link you show
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:35:55 GMT
author: Hirsty's
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
Hirsty's wrote:
> > >
> > Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
> > years old
>
> I was reffering to real LR such as Defender, S1 S2 S3 which seem to have a
> biased reveiw in the link you show
You're talking crap, HTH.
Firstly the link does not take you to a review of Defender models, or
even the Freelander to be honest. So you *chose* to look at the Defender
link. There's no mention of S1/2/3 or Stage One V8 vehicles.
Secondly this thread was about Freelander vehicles, not the Defender.
And finally there's no bias in the review, it simply states the truth
that Defenders suffered from a number of problems. Hell it even gives
objective results such as Defender models being at the bottom of several
reviews of reliability since 1997.
date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 07:31:03 +0100
author: %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
"somersetviking" wrote in message
news:somersetviking.2p887t@autobanter.co.uk...
>
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander can anyone
> advise me on which is the best and most reliable model to buy, also
> what faults should i be looking for?
>
>
Faults and problems? Anything you can think of pretty much!
There are much much better SUV's about than the Freelander.
If you must though- probably the earlier L series TD, but one of the last
ones- 51 plate area.
Tim..
date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:13:44 +0100
author: Tim..
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
somersetviking wrote:
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander can anyone
> advise me on which is the best and most reliable model to buy, also
> what faults should i be looking for?
Blown head gaskets are a common affliction for 1.8-litre petrol-engined
Freelanders. It's a well known problem and is caused by allowing the coolant
level in the very small tank to get low. Check for water in the oil. The
other engines have proved to be very reliable.
Any damage to the suspension from off-roading will expensive to repair,
while the rear differential can fail with little warning. Manual gearboxes
can also become noisy and fail. Other failures are more likely to be
electrical, especially the rear door's window, which can drop unexpectedly.
TD4 seems OK, stay away from the earlier diesel (DI?) and get the most
modern - truly BAD when they came out and got better, better compared with
earlier versions but not up to class average
If I remember they come out bottom in the reliability stakes with all the
french and italian cars.
And actually If you after 4*4 "safety" I believe they only got a 3 star in
the NCAP results
date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:01:19 GMT
author: Tommy
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/index.php?url=/carbycar/index.htm
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:34:39 GMT
author: TTT
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/index.php?url=/carbycar/index.htm
Maybe, but how many other cars can you compare to after 8 years; most are
rust buckets or mechanically f....d
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:03:52 GMT
author: Hirsty's
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> Maybe, but how many other cars can you compare to after 8 years; most are
> rust buckets or mechanically f....d
>
>
Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
years old.
Depending what the OP wants to use it for, a Honda CR-V or petrol Nissan
X-Trail (Avoid the diesel X-trail) might be a better alternative.
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:36:56 GMT
author: TTT
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> >
> Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
> years old
I was reffering to real LR such as Defender, S1 S2 S3 which seem to have a
biased reveiw in the link you show
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:35:55 GMT
author: Hirsty's
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
Hirsty's wrote:
> > >
> > Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
> > years old
>
> I was reffering to real LR such as Defender, S1 S2 S3 which seem to have a
> biased reveiw in the link you show
You're talking crap, HTH.
Firstly the link does not take you to a review of Defender models, or
even the Freelander to be honest. So you *chose* to look at the Defender
link. There's no mention of S1/2/3 or Stage One V8 vehicles.
Secondly this thread was about Freelander vehicles, not the Defender.
And finally there's no bias in the review, it simply states the truth
that Defenders suffered from a number of problems. Hell it even gives
objective results such as Defender models being at the bottom of several
reviews of reliability since 1997.
date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 07:31:03 +0100
author: %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
"somersetviking" wrote in message
news:somersetviking.2p887t@autobanter.co.uk...
>
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander can anyone
> advise me on which is the best and most reliable model to buy, also
> what faults should i be looking for?
>
>
Faults and problems? Anything you can think of pretty much!
There are much much better SUV's about than the Freelander.
If you must though- probably the earlier L series TD, but one of the last
ones- 51 plate area.
Tim..
date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:13:44 +0100
author: Tim..
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
Tim.. wrote:
> "somersetviking" wrote in
> message news:somersetviking.2p887t@autobanter.co.uk...
>>
>> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander can anyone
>> advise me on which is the best and most reliable model to buy, also
>> what faults should i be looking for?
>>
>>
>
> Faults and problems? Anything you can think of pretty much!
>
> There are much much better SUV's about than the Freelander.
>
> If you must though- probably the earlier L series TD, but one of the
> last ones- 51 plate area.
>
> Tim..
I have been thinking of buying a 4 to 5 year old TD4 Auto. Research has not
left me with a good feeling about a Freelander.
I was at my local independent garage who have serviced my cars for over 10
years. The owner has a Freelander so I asked him if they where as much
trouble as reported. Yes was his reply. He then went on to say the petrol is
the worst. Transfer boxes are a problem but replacing them has come down to
about £900 ! Fuel pumps on the diesel work out at about £1800.
He went on to say that if you get a good one they are good fun to drive but
he could not recommend them.
Unfortunately Japanese 4x4s don't seem to have many problems. but I don't
think Xtrails come as Diesel Auto.
Honda looks a possibility.
--
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date: Wed, 2 May 2007 13:19:07 +0100
author: Brassed Off
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
Brassed Off wrote:
> Tim.. wrote:
>> "somersetviking" wrote in
>> message news:somersetviking.2p887t@autobanter.co.uk...
>>>
>>> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander can
>>> anyone advise me on which is the best and most reliable model to
>>> buy, also what faults should i be looking for?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Faults and problems? Anything you can think of pretty much!
>>
>> There are much much better SUV's about than the Freelander.
>>
>> If you must though- probably the earlier L series TD, but one of the
>> last ones- 51 plate area.
>>
>> Tim..
>
> I have been thinking of buying a 4 to 5 year old TD4 Auto. Research
> has not left me with a good feeling about a Freelander.
> I was at my local independent garage who have serviced my cars for
> over 10 years. The owner has a Freelander so I asked him if they
> where as much trouble as reported. Yes was his reply. He then went on
> to say the petrol is the worst. Transfer boxes are a problem but
> replacing them has come down to about £900 ! Fuel pumps on the
> diesel work out at about £1800. He went on to say that if you get a good
> one they are good fun to
> drive but he could not recommend them.
> Unfortunately Japanese 4x4s don't seem to have many problems. but I
"Unfortunately" as in why do Freelanders seem to be crap and any Jap is
just well ...... good >
> don't think Xtrails come as Diesel Auto.
> Honda looks a possibility.
--
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date: Wed, 2 May 2007 13:23:36 +0100
author: Brassed Off
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
somersetviking wrote:
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander can anyone
> advise me on which is the best and most reliable model to buy, also
> what faults should i be looking for?
Blown head gaskets are a common affliction for 1.8-litre petrol-engined
Freelanders. It's a well known problem and is caused by allowing the coolant
level in the very small tank to get low. Check for water in the oil. The
other engines have proved to be very reliable.
Any damage to the suspension from off-roading will expensive to repair,
while the rear differential can fail with little warning. Manual gearboxes
can also become noisy and fail. Other failures are more likely to be
electrical, especially the rear door's window, which can drop unexpectedly.
TD4 seems OK, stay away from the earlier diesel (DI?) and get the most
modern - truly BAD when they came out and got better, better compared with
earlier versions but not up to class average
If I remember they come out bottom in the reliability stakes with all the
french and italian cars.
And actually If you after 4*4 "safety" I believe they only got a 3 star in
the NCAP results
date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:01:19 GMT
author: Tommy
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/index.php?url=/carbycar/index.htm
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:34:39 GMT
author: TTT
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/index.php?url=/carbycar/index.htm
Maybe, but how many other cars can you compare to after 8 years; most are
rust buckets or mechanically f....d
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:03:52 GMT
author: Hirsty's
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> Maybe, but how many other cars can you compare to after 8 years; most are
> rust buckets or mechanically f....d
>
>
Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
years old.
Depending what the OP wants to use it for, a Honda CR-V or petrol Nissan
X-Trail (Avoid the diesel X-trail) might be a better alternative.
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:36:56 GMT
author: TTT
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> >
> Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
> years old
I was reffering to real LR such as Defender, S1 S2 S3 which seem to have a
biased reveiw in the link you show
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:35:55 GMT
author: Hirsty's
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
Hirsty's wrote:
> > >
> > Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
> > years old
>
> I was reffering to real LR such as Defender, S1 S2 S3 which seem to have a
> biased reveiw in the link you show
You're talking crap, HTH.
Firstly the link does not take you to a review of Defender models, or
even the Freelander to be honest. So you *chose* to look at the Defender
link. There's no mention of S1/2/3 or Stage One V8 vehicles.
Secondly this thread was about Freelander vehicles, not the Defender.
And finally there's no bias in the review, it simply states the truth
that Defenders suffered from a number of problems. Hell it even gives
objective results such as Defender models being at the bottom of several
reviews of reliability since 1997.
date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 07:31:03 +0100
author: %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
"somersetviking" wrote in message
news:somersetviking.2p887t@autobanter.co.uk...
>
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander can anyone
> advise me on which is the best and most reliable model to buy, also
> what faults should i be looking for?
>
>
Faults and problems? Anything you can think of pretty much!
There are much much better SUV's about than the Freelander.
If you must though- probably the earlier L series TD, but one of the last
ones- 51 plate area.
Tim..
date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:13:44 +0100
author: Tim..
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
Tim.. wrote:
> "somersetviking" wrote in
> message news:somersetviking.2p887t@autobanter.co.uk...
>>
>> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander can anyone
>> advise me on which is the best and most reliable model to buy, also
>> what faults should i be looking for?
>>
>>
>
> Faults and problems? Anything you can think of pretty much!
>
> There are much much better SUV's about than the Freelander.
>
> If you must though- probably the earlier L series TD, but one of the
> last ones- 51 plate area.
>
> Tim..
I have been thinking of buying a 4 to 5 year old TD4 Auto. Research has not
left me with a good feeling about a Freelander.
I was at my local independent garage who have serviced my cars for over 10
years. The owner has a Freelander so I asked him if they where as much
trouble as reported. Yes was his reply. He then went on to say the petrol is
the worst. Transfer boxes are a problem but replacing them has come down to
about £900 ! Fuel pumps on the diesel work out at about £1800.
He went on to say that if you get a good one they are good fun to drive but
he could not recommend them.
Unfortunately Japanese 4x4s don't seem to have many problems. but I don't
think Xtrails come as Diesel Auto.
Honda looks a possibility.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
date: Wed, 2 May 2007 13:19:07 +0100
author: Brassed Off
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
Brassed Off wrote:
> Tim.. wrote:
>> "somersetviking" wrote in
>> message news:somersetviking.2p887t@autobanter.co.uk...
>>>
>>> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander can
>>> anyone advise me on which is the best and most reliable model to
>>> buy, also what faults should i be looking for?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Faults and problems? Anything you can think of pretty much!
>>
>> There are much much better SUV's about than the Freelander.
>>
>> If you must though- probably the earlier L series TD, but one of the
>> last ones- 51 plate area.
>>
>> Tim..
>
> I have been thinking of buying a 4 to 5 year old TD4 Auto. Research
> has not left me with a good feeling about a Freelander.
> I was at my local independent garage who have serviced my cars for
> over 10 years. The owner has a Freelander so I asked him if they
> where as much trouble as reported. Yes was his reply. He then went on
> to say the petrol is the worst. Transfer boxes are a problem but
> replacing them has come down to about £900 ! Fuel pumps on the
> diesel work out at about £1800. He went on to say that if you get a good
> one they are good fun to
> drive but he could not recommend them.
> Unfortunately Japanese 4x4s don't seem to have many problems. but I
"Unfortunately" as in why do Freelanders seem to be crap and any Jap is
just well ...... good >
> don't think Xtrails come as Diesel Auto.
> Honda looks a possibility.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
date: Wed, 2 May 2007 13:23:36 +0100
author: Brassed Off
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/index.php?url=/carbycar/index.htm
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 09:34:39 GMT
author: TTT
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/index.php?url=/carbycar/index.htm
Maybe, but how many other cars can you compare to after 8 years; most are
rust buckets or mechanically f....d
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:03:52 GMT
author: Hirsty's
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> Maybe, but how many other cars can you compare to after 8 years; most are
> rust buckets or mechanically f....d
>
>
Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
years old.
Depending what the OP wants to use it for, a Honda CR-V or petrol Nissan
X-Trail (Avoid the diesel X-trail) might be a better alternative.
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:36:56 GMT
author: TTT
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> >
> Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
> years old
I was reffering to real LR such as Defender, S1 S2 S3 which seem to have a
biased reveiw in the link you show
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:35:55 GMT
author: Hirsty's
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
Hirsty's wrote:
> > >
> > Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
> > years old
>
> I was reffering to real LR such as Defender, S1 S2 S3 which seem to have a
> biased reveiw in the link you show
You're talking crap, HTH.
Firstly the link does not take you to a review of Defender models, or
even the Freelander to be honest. So you *chose* to look at the Defender
link. There's no mention of S1/2/3 or Stage One V8 vehicles.
Secondly this thread was about Freelander vehicles, not the Defender.
And finally there's no bias in the review, it simply states the truth
that Defenders suffered from a number of problems. Hell it even gives
objective results such as Defender models being at the bottom of several
reviews of reliability since 1997.
date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 07:31:03 +0100
author: %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
"somersetviking" wrote in message
news:somersetviking.2p887t@autobanter.co.uk...
>
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander can anyone
> advise me on which is the best and most reliable model to buy, also
> what faults should i be looking for?
>
>
Faults and problems? Anything you can think of pretty much!
There are much much better SUV's about than the Freelander.
If you must though- probably the earlier L series TD, but one of the last
ones- 51 plate area.
Tim..
date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:13:44 +0100
author: Tim..
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
Tim.. wrote:
> "somersetviking" wrote in
> message news:somersetviking.2p887t@autobanter.co.uk...
>>
>> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander can anyone
>> advise me on which is the best and most reliable model to buy, also
>> what faults should i be looking for?
>>
>>
>
> Faults and problems? Anything you can think of pretty much!
>
> There are much much better SUV's about than the Freelander.
>
> If you must though- probably the earlier L series TD, but one of the
> last ones- 51 plate area.
>
> Tim..
I have been thinking of buying a 4 to 5 year old TD4 Auto. Research has not
left me with a good feeling about a Freelander.
I was at my local independent garage who have serviced my cars for over 10
years. The owner has a Freelander so I asked him if they where as much
trouble as reported. Yes was his reply. He then went on to say the petrol is
the worst. Transfer boxes are a problem but replacing them has come down to
about £900 ! Fuel pumps on the diesel work out at about £1800.
He went on to say that if you get a good one they are good fun to drive but
he could not recommend them.
Unfortunately Japanese 4x4s don't seem to have many problems. but I don't
think Xtrails come as Diesel Auto.
Honda looks a possibility.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
date: Wed, 2 May 2007 13:19:07 +0100
author: Brassed Off
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
Brassed Off wrote:
> Tim.. wrote:
>> "somersetviking" wrote in
>> message news:somersetviking.2p887t@autobanter.co.uk...
>>>
>>> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander can
>>> anyone advise me on which is the best and most reliable model to
>>> buy, also what faults should i be looking for?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Faults and problems? Anything you can think of pretty much!
>>
>> There are much much better SUV's about than the Freelander.
>>
>> If you must though- probably the earlier L series TD, but one of the
>> last ones- 51 plate area.
>>
>> Tim..
>
> I have been thinking of buying a 4 to 5 year old TD4 Auto. Research
> has not left me with a good feeling about a Freelander.
> I was at my local independent garage who have serviced my cars for
> over 10 years. The owner has a Freelander so I asked him if they
> where as much trouble as reported. Yes was his reply. He then went on
> to say the petrol is the worst. Transfer boxes are a problem but
> replacing them has come down to about £900 ! Fuel pumps on the
> diesel work out at about £1800. He went on to say that if you get a good
> one they are good fun to
> drive but he could not recommend them.
> Unfortunately Japanese 4x4s don't seem to have many problems. but I
"Unfortunately" as in why do Freelanders seem to be crap and any Jap is
just well ...... good >
> don't think Xtrails come as Diesel Auto.
> Honda looks a possibility.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
date: Wed, 2 May 2007 13:23:36 +0100
author: Brassed Off
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
> >
> Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
> years old
I was reffering to real LR such as Defender, S1 S2 S3 which seem to have a
biased reveiw in the link you show
date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 23:35:55 GMT
author: Hirsty's
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
Hirsty's wrote:
> > >
> > Freelander owners were incurring huge bills long beofre the cars were 8
> > years old
>
> I was reffering to real LR such as Defender, S1 S2 S3 which seem to have a
> biased reveiw in the link you show
You're talking crap, HTH.
Firstly the link does not take you to a review of Defender models, or
even the Freelander to be honest. So you *chose* to look at the Defender
link. There's no mention of S1/2/3 or Stage One V8 vehicles.
Secondly this thread was about Freelander vehicles, not the Defender.
And finally there's no bias in the review, it simply states the truth
that Defenders suffered from a number of problems. Hell it even gives
objective results such as Defender models being at the bottom of several
reviews of reliability since 1997.
date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 07:31:03 +0100
author: %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
"somersetviking" wrote in message
news:somersetviking.2p887t@autobanter.co.uk...
>
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander can anyone
> advise me on which is the best and most reliable model to buy, also
> what faults should i be looking for?
>
>
Faults and problems? Anything you can think of pretty much!
There are much much better SUV's about than the Freelander.
If you must though- probably the earlier L series TD, but one of the last
ones- 51 plate area.
Tim..
date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:13:44 +0100
author: Tim..
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
Tim.. wrote:
> "somersetviking" wrote in
> message news:somersetviking.2p887t@autobanter.co.uk...
>>
>> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander can anyone
>> advise me on which is the best and most reliable model to buy, also
>> what faults should i be looking for?
>>
>>
>
> Faults and problems? Anything you can think of pretty much!
>
> There are much much better SUV's about than the Freelander.
>
> If you must though- probably the earlier L series TD, but one of the
> last ones- 51 plate area.
>
> Tim..
I have been thinking of buying a 4 to 5 year old TD4 Auto. Research has not
left me with a good feeling about a Freelander.
I was at my local independent garage who have serviced my cars for over 10
years. The owner has a Freelander so I asked him if they where as much
trouble as reported. Yes was his reply. He then went on to say the petrol is
the worst. Transfer boxes are a problem but replacing them has come down to
about £900 ! Fuel pumps on the diesel work out at about £1800.
He went on to say that if you get a good one they are good fun to drive but
he could not recommend them.
Unfortunately Japanese 4x4s don't seem to have many problems. but I don't
think Xtrails come as Diesel Auto.
Honda looks a possibility.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
date: Wed, 2 May 2007 13:19:07 +0100
author: Brassed Off
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
Brassed Off wrote:
> Tim.. wrote:
>> "somersetviking" wrote in
>> message news:somersetviking.2p887t@autobanter.co.uk...
>>>
>>> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander can
>>> anyone advise me on which is the best and most reliable model to
>>> buy, also what faults should i be looking for?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Faults and problems? Anything you can think of pretty much!
>>
>> There are much much better SUV's about than the Freelander.
>>
>> If you must though- probably the earlier L series TD, but one of the
>> last ones- 51 plate area.
>>
>> Tim..
>
> I have been thinking of buying a 4 to 5 year old TD4 Auto. Research
> has not left me with a good feeling about a Freelander.
> I was at my local independent garage who have serviced my cars for
> over 10 years. The owner has a Freelander so I asked him if they
> where as much trouble as reported. Yes was his reply. He then went on
> to say the petrol is the worst. Transfer boxes are a problem but
> replacing them has come down to about £900 ! Fuel pumps on the
> diesel work out at about £1800. He went on to say that if you get a good
> one they are good fun to
> drive but he could not recommend them.
> Unfortunately Japanese 4x4s don't seem to have many problems. but I
"Unfortunately" as in why do Freelanders seem to be crap and any Jap is
just well ...... good >
> don't think Xtrails come as Diesel Auto.
> Honda looks a possibility.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
date: Wed, 2 May 2007 13:23:36 +0100
author: Brassed Off
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
"somersetviking" wrote in message
news:somersetviking.2p887t@autobanter.co.uk...
>
> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander can anyone
> advise me on which is the best and most reliable model to buy, also
> what faults should i be looking for?
>
>
Faults and problems? Anything you can think of pretty much!
There are much much better SUV's about than the Freelander.
If you must though- probably the earlier L series TD, but one of the last
ones- 51 plate area.
Tim..
date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:13:44 +0100
author: Tim..
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
Tim.. wrote:
> "somersetviking" wrote in
> message news:somersetviking.2p887t@autobanter.co.uk...
>>
>> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander can anyone
>> advise me on which is the best and most reliable model to buy, also
>> what faults should i be looking for?
>>
>>
>
> Faults and problems? Anything you can think of pretty much!
>
> There are much much better SUV's about than the Freelander.
>
> If you must though- probably the earlier L series TD, but one of the
> last ones- 51 plate area.
>
> Tim..
I have been thinking of buying a 4 to 5 year old TD4 Auto. Research has not
left me with a good feeling about a Freelander.
I was at my local independent garage who have serviced my cars for over 10
years. The owner has a Freelander so I asked him if they where as much
trouble as reported. Yes was his reply. He then went on to say the petrol is
the worst. Transfer boxes are a problem but replacing them has come down to
about £900 ! Fuel pumps on the diesel work out at about £1800.
He went on to say that if you get a good one they are good fun to drive but
he could not recommend them.
Unfortunately Japanese 4x4s don't seem to have many problems. but I don't
think Xtrails come as Diesel Auto.
Honda looks a possibility.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
date: Wed, 2 May 2007 13:19:07 +0100
author: Brassed Off
|
Re: Buying a Freelander
Brassed Off wrote:
> Tim.. wrote:
>> "somersetviking" wrote in
>> message news:somersetviking.2p887t@autobanter.co.uk...
>>>
>>> I am thinking of buying a second hand Landrover Freelander can
>>> anyone advise me on which is the best and most reliable model to
>>> buy, also what faults should i be looking for?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Faults and problems? Anything you can think of pretty much!
>>
>> There are much much better SUV's about than the Freelander.
>>
>> If you must though- probably the earlier L series TD, but one of the
>> last ones- 51 plate area.
>>
>> Tim..
>
> I have been thinking of buying a 4 to 5 year old TD4 Auto. Research
> has not left me with a good feeling about a Freelander.
> I was at my local independent garage who have serviced my cars for
> over 10 years. The owner has a Freelander so I asked him if they
> where as much trouble as reported. Yes was his reply. He then went on
> to say the petrol is the worst. Transfer boxes are a problem but
> replacing them has come down to about £900 ! Fuel pumps on the
> diesel work out at about £1800. He went on to say that if you get a good
> one they are good fun to
> drive but he could not recommend them.
> Unfortunately Japanese 4x4s don't seem to have many problems. but I
"Unfortunately" as in why do Freelanders seem to be crap and any Jap is
just well ...... good >
> don't think Xtrails come as Diesel Auto.
> Honda looks a possibility.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
date: Wed, 2 May 2007 13:23:36 +0100
author: Brassed Off
|