I'm thinking it's time to change my setup. Go wireless.

Post Office HomePhone with Broadband Extra looks good.

Anyone got any experience of them? Are they reliable? Friendly? Helpful?

I've been with Demon for more than ten years. Pay them 24.95 a month - 
and Bt's line rental is extra. With the PO setup line rental is included 
and the monthly rate by Direct Debit is 24.95.

Advice and comments, please ..

hugs

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"francis cameron"  wrote in message 
news:dJWLygA7L1YIFwpQ@topdeck.demon.co.uk...
>
> I'm thinking it's time to change my setup. Go wireless.
>
> Post Office HomePhone with Broadband Extra looks good.
>
> Anyone got any experience of them? Are they reliable? Friendly? Helpful?
>
> I've been with Demon for more than ten years. Pay them 24.95 a month - and 
> Bt's line rental is extra. With the PO setup line rental is included and 
> the monthly rate by Direct Debit is 24.95.
>
> Advice and comments, please ..

Tiscali are pretty good. I know a few people who use them. Sadly I don't 
know anyone who uses the post office as an ISP.

Flower of romance wrote:
> "francis cameron"  wrote in message
> news:dJWLygA7L1YIFwpQ@topdeck.demon.co.uk...
>>
>> I'm thinking it's time to change my setup. Go wireless.
>>
>> Post Office HomePhone with Broadband Extra looks good.
>>
>> Anyone got any experience of them? Are they reliable? Friendly?
>> Helpful? I've been with Demon for more than ten years. Pay them 24.95 a 
>> month
>> - and Bt's line rental is extra. With the PO setup line rental is
>> included and the monthly rate by Direct Debit is 24.95.
>>
>> Advice and comments, please ..
>
> Tiscali are pretty good. I know a few people who use them. Sadly I
> don't know anyone who uses the post office as an ISP.

If the PO service is anything like it was a year ago then it's not worth 
looking at: There's a catch in their advertising but I can't remember what 
it was. Have you tried Wytches.net?

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In message , Dr.Hal0nf1r£$ 
<femail@nospam.kustomkomputa.co.uk.invalid> writes
>If the PO service is anything like it was a year ago then it's not worth
>looking at: There's a catch in their advertising but I can't remember what
>it was. Have you tried Wytches.net?

Thank you so much for this warning. I've just spent a little time with
www.broadbandgenie/blog

I am reminded of the horror stories abounding at the time when AOL 
opened their doors to a wider audience and when [forgotten which] mobile 
phone company did something similar.

Acres of messages of complaint and even when everything's up and running 
there are problems with emails and newsgroups.

So I'll stay with Demon for now and go wireless when I'm ready.


Hugs .. ..
-- 
Francis

Flower of romance wrote:
> francis cameron wrote

> > Post Office HomePhone with Broadband Extra looks good.
>
> > Anyone got any experience of them? Are they reliable? Friendly? Helpful?

No idea, soz.

> > I've been with Demon for more than ten years. Pay them 24.95 a month - and
> > Bt's line rental is extra. With the PO setup line rental is included and
> > the monthly rate by Direct Debit is 24.95.
>
> > Advice and comments, please ..

Is it just down to the money thing that you're thinking of changing?
If so, take into account how stable a connection you have (or haven't)
atm, because from the stuff I've heard, changing ISP can mean changing
from a stable connection, to one that drops more times than, well, I
used to. ;)

I'm serious. We've been with Pipex for blergh, probably about five
years now, and I refused point blank to upgrade (from the 1meg
connection) for ages because I didn't want to risk getting a dodgy
connection. In the end, we kept our upgrade to Pipex anyway, meaning
that we didn't have to worry about losing all of our nonGMail type
addies. On the down side, while we're paying about 50p less a month,
and we could - in theory - get 8meg, what we actually get is a really
dodgy connection if we go anything over 3meg. I don't find it a
problem though tbh. We all three of us managed on 1meg for years, and
so we've still gone up in the world, and for a little bit less too (as
well as 40meg more webspace, and 10 more (I think it is) 'base' email
addies, should we wish to use them.

> Tiscali are pretty good.

Tiscali are one of the biggest loads of wank out, or so I've gathered
on all of my research trips while I was trying to decide whether or
not to upgrade us. I was absolutely gutted when I found out that not
only had they taken over as my ISP by buying Pipex, but also that
they'd become my domain hosts too, since Pipex had already bought out
123-reg. Luckily, we switched to Pipex business in our upgrade, and
while it's still got Tiscali on the domain for our IP addy, we're
actually dealing with Pipex people, since it's the household side that
Tiscali've taken over the running of. *breathes sigh of relief*

Francis dear, if you're thinking about moving, I recommend you check
out the following few links first.

http://www.samknows.com/broadband/
http://www.thinkbroadband.com/
http://www.ispreview.co.uk/

--
trin
...extremely happy with Pipex atm 'cause *they* called *me* a day
after I'd put in an error report ('bout the dropping connection) to
see if it was any better yet - talk about service :D

trin wrote:
> Flower of romance wrote:
>> francis cameron wrote
>
>>> Post Office HomePhone with Broadband Extra looks good.
>>
>>> Anyone got any experience of them? Are they reliable? Friendly?
>>> Helpful?
>
> No idea, soz.
>
>>> I've been with Demon for more than ten years. Pay them 24.95 a
>>> month - and Bt's line rental is extra. With the PO setup line
>>> rental is included and the monthly rate by Direct Debit is 24.95.
>>
>>> Advice and comments, please ..
>
> Is it just down to the money thing that you're thinking of changing?
> If so, take into account how stable a connection you have (or haven't)
> atm, because from the stuff I've heard, changing ISP can mean changing
> from a stable connection, to one that drops more times than, well, I
> used to. ;)
>
> I'm serious. We've been with Pipex for blergh, probably about five
> years now, and I refused point blank to upgrade (from the 1meg
> connection) for ages because I didn't want to risk getting a dodgy
> connection. In the end, we kept our upgrade to Pipex anyway, meaning
> that we didn't have to worry about losing all of our nonGMail type
> addies. On the down side, while we're paying about 50p less a month,
> and we could - in theory - get 8meg, what we actually get is a really
> dodgy connection if we go anything over 3meg. I don't find it a
> problem though tbh. We all three of us managed on 1meg for years, and
> so we've still gone up in the world, and for a little bit less too (as
> well as 40meg more webspace, and 10 more (I think it is) 'base' email
> addies, should we wish to use them.

That could be caused by your modem or router. When I upgraded from 2 to 8 
meg my modem kept dropping the connection: Since I upgraded to a newer unit, 
a router, I get no problems whatsoever.

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Dr.Hal0nf1r£$ wrote:
> trin wrote:

> > what we actually get is a really dodgy connection if we go anything over
>> 3meg.
>
> That could be caused by your modem or router. When I upgraded from 2 to 8
> meg my modem kept dropping the connection: Since I upgraded to a newer unit,
> a router, I get no problems whatsoever.

We're running on a modem through a Linux server. :)

Speaking to the tech. bod on the 'phone the other day, he said the
newest line around here's 15 years old, so there's no guarantee about
the state of our incoming line from the exchange, plus we're ~2.5km
from said exchange. I'm not expecting miracles.

> <Polite snipticality>

Returned in kind. ;)

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"trin"  wrote in message 
news:64f9c196-cd2d-40ef-857e-7a5837dc28ee@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> Flower of romance wrote:

>> Tiscali are pretty good.
>
> Tiscali are one of the biggest loads of wank out, or so I've gathered
> on all of my research trips while I was trying to decide whether or
> not to upgrade us.

That's your opinion. I know about half a dozen people who use them and 
they've no complaints.

>I was absolutely gutted when I found out that not
> only had they taken over as my ISP by buying Pipex, but also that
> they'd become my domain hosts too, since Pipex had already bought out
> 123-reg. Luckily, we switched to Pipex business in our upgrade, and
> while it's still got Tiscali on the domain for our IP addy, we're
> actually dealing with Pipex people, since it's the household side that
> Tiscali've taken over the running of. *breathes sigh of relief*

Then you can imagine how I felt when Virgin bought out/ merged with or 
whatever with NTL. They were dodgy as NTL but they're down right neglegent 
as Virgin.
>
> Francis dear, if you're thinking about moving, I recommend you check
> out the following few links first.
>

It never hurts to shop around. :)

> http://www.samknows.com/broadband/
> http://www.thinkbroadband.com/
> http://www.ispreview.co.uk/
>

"trin"  wrote in message 
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Dr.Hal0nf1r£$ wrote:
> trin wrote:

> > what we actually get is a really dodgy connection if we go anything over
>> 3meg.
>
> That could be caused by your modem or router. When I upgraded from 2 to 8
> meg my modem kept dropping the connection: Since I upgraded to a newer 
> unit,
> a router, I get no problems whatsoever.

We're running on a modem through a Linux server. :)

Speaking to the tech. bod on the 'phone the other day, he said the
newest line around here's 15 years old, so there's no guarantee about
the state of our incoming line from the exchange, plus we're ~2.5km
from said exchange. I'm not expecting miracles.

It bloody well would be a miracle too. It's another example of pass the buck 
between the councils and the phone companies as to who'se responsibility it 
is to lay the fiber optics. Of course, the rest of europe and the states did 
it years ago. That's rip off Britain for you.


> <Polite snipticality>

Returned in kind. ;)

--
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In message 
, 
trin  writes
>
>Is it just down to the money thing that you're thinking of changing? If 
>so, take into account how stable a connection you have (or haven't) 
>atm, because from the stuff I've heard, changing ISP can mean changing 
>from a stable connection, to one that drops more times than, well, I 
>used to. ;)

Thank for all that, Trin.

I was attracted to the PO ISP by the inclusion of the line rental in the 
monthly charge. I would have paid the PO more or less the same each 
month as I pay now but I would no longer have paid BT a monthly line 
rental. That was the main attraction. Plus I could have gone wireless at 
the same time.

As against that there would have been all the dislocation of changing 
from a setup that suits me to something new that might or might not have 
been as satisfactory.

Then someone on LJ sent me a warning. About problems. I went on Google 
and read a great long list of troubles peoples had had. It reminded me 
of when AOL went public and was swamped by over subscriptions.

So I'm staying where I am. In due course maybe I'll go wireless. I like 
the idea of being able to log on when I'm travelling. But I may be 
misleading myself about that.

It aint broke. I baint gonna fix it.

-- 
francis cameron

On 6 Jul, 02:12, "Flower of romance"  wrote:
> "trin"  wrote in message
>
> news:64f9c196-cd2d-40ef-857e-7a5837dc28ee@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Flower of romance wrote:
> >> Tiscali are pretty good.
>
> > Tiscali are one of the biggest loads of wank out, or so I've gathered
> > on all of my research trips while I was trying to decide whether or
> > not to upgrade us.
>
> That's your opinion. I know about half a dozen people who use them and
> they've no complaints.
>
> >I was absolutely gutted when I found out that not
> > only had they taken over as my ISP by buying Pipex, but also that
> > they'd become my domain hosts too, since Pipex had already bought out
> > 123-reg. Luckily, we switched to Pipex business in our upgrade, and
> > while it's still got Tiscali on the domain for our IP addy, we're
> > actually dealing with Pipex people, since it's the household side that
> > Tiscali've taken over the running of. *breathes sigh of relief*
>
> Then you can imagine how I felt when Virgin bought out/ merged with or
> whatever with NTL. They were dodgy as NTL but they're down right neglegent
> as Virgin.
>
>
>
> > Francis dear, if you're thinking about moving, I recommend you check
> > out the following few links first.
>
> It never hurts to shop around. :)
>
> >http://www.samknows.com/broadband/
> >http://www.thinkbroadband.com/
> >http://www.ispreview.co.uk/

Flower of romance wrote:
> trin wrote
> > Flower of romance wrote:

> >> Tiscali are pretty good.
>
> > Tiscali are one of the biggest loads of wank out, or so I've gathered
> > on all of my research trips while I was trying to decide whether or
> > not to upgrade us.
>
> That's your opinion. I know about half a dozen people who use them and
> they've no complaints.

No, that's not *my* opinion, it's the opinion's of the many many
people whose posts I read while I spent ~a year and a half researching
into what ISPs are good/bad/indifferent because I was looking to
upgrade my broadband provider.

> >[my opinion on Tiscali's take over of Pipex]
>
> Then you can imagine how I felt when Virgin bought out/ merged with or
> whatever with NTL. They were dodgy as NTL but they're down right neglegent
> as Virgin.

Dunno, can't get cable around here.

> > Francis dear, if you're thinking about moving, I recommend you check
> > out the following few links first.
>
> It never hurts to shop around. :)

They're less shopping around, and more telling you who's complaining
about what, and what each is capable of delivering.

> >http://www.samknows.com/broadband/
> >http://www.thinkbroadband.com/
> >http://www.ispreview.co.uk/

--
trin

On 6 Jul, 02:19, "Flower of romance"  wrote:
> "trin"  wrote in message

> > Speaking to the tech. bod on the 'phone the other day, he said the
> > newest line around here's 15 years old, so there's no guarantee about
> > the state of our incoming line from the exchange, plus we're ~2.5km
> > from said exchange. I'm not expecting miracles.
>
> It bloody well would be a miracle too. It's another example of pass the buck
> between the councils and the phone companies as to who'se responsibility it
> is to lay the fiber optics. Of course, the rest of europe and the states did
> it years ago. That's rip off Britain for you.

1. Watch your attributions.
2. Surely if the telecoms want to sell their product, they need to
make the investment. Simple.
3. Britain's not a rip off. Many of the products being sold in Britain
are being sold at rip-off prices, but that doesn't make Britain a a
rip off.

--
trin
drinking and smoking :)

francis cameron wrote:
> trin  writes

> Thank for all that, Trin.

What'm I here for, if not to serve. ;)

> As against that there would have been all the dislocation of changing
> from a setup that suits me to something new that might or might not have
> been as satisfactory.

*nods* The thing that swung my choice was lack of having to do much
about it. <wry g>

> Then someone on LJ sent me a warning. About problems. I went on Google
> and read a great long list of troubles peoples had had. It reminded me
> of when AOL went public and was swamped by over subscriptions.

Wake me up when September ends.

> So I'm staying where I am. In due course maybe I'll go wireless. I like
> the idea of being able to log on when I'm travelling. But I may be
> misleading myself about that.

I'll leave it to the resident Geeks to suggest stuff on that score.
Me, I *like* being connected through cables. I can see where it's
going if I can see the cable. <g>

> It aint broke. I baint gonna fix it.

Sounds sensible to me. :)

--
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"trin"  wrote in message 
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> On 6 Jul, 02:19, "Flower of romance"  wrote:
>> "trin"  wrote in message
>
>> > Speaking to the tech. bod on the 'phone the other day, he said the
>> > newest line around here's 15 years old, so there's no guarantee about
>> > the state of our incoming line from the exchange, plus we're ~2.5km
>> > from said exchange. I'm not expecting miracles.
>>
>> It bloody well would be a miracle too. It's another example of pass the 
>> buck
>> between the councils and the phone companies as to who'se responsibility 
>> it
>> is to lay the fiber optics. Of course, the rest of europe and the states 
>> did
>> it years ago. That's rip off Britain for you.
>
> 1. Watch your attributions.

1. Why?

> 2. Surely if the telecoms want to sell their product, they need to
> make the investment. Simple.

That's far too senible, Trin. The big coorperations see only making as much 
money in the short term and spending as little as they can to get it. So 
they lie, cheat and rip off.

> 3. Britain's not a rip off. Many of the products being sold in Britain
> are being sold at rip-off prices, but that doesn't make Britain a a
> rip off.
Wrong! Britain deserves it's name as rip off britain as things are made 
cheaply and sold with extortionate markups, they write dodgy clauses into 
contracts so you have to pay for srvices they don't provide and that you can 
be guilty of breaking a contract by something occuring that is nowhere near 
your fault,  and the law does little to protect us from it This Continent is 
money driven with the exclusion of all else, plain ans simple.

"trin"  wrote in message 
news:c550dd94-47ba-4b65-af74-683fa3c05243@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On 6 Jul, 02:12, "Flower of romance"  wrote:
>> "trin"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:64f9c196-cd2d-40ef-857e-7a5837dc28ee@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > Flower of romance wrote:
>> >> Tiscali are pretty good.
>>
>> > Tiscali are one of the biggest loads of wank out, or so I've gathered
>> > on all of my research trips while I was trying to decide whether or
>> > not to upgrade us.
>>
>> That's your opinion. I know about half a dozen people who use them and
>> they've no complaints.
>>
>> >I was absolutely gutted when I found out that not
>> > only had they taken over as my ISP by buying Pipex, but also that
>> > they'd become my domain hosts too, since Pipex had already bought out
>> > 123-reg. Luckily, we switched to Pipex business in our upgrade, and
>> > while it's still got Tiscali on the domain for our IP addy, we're
>> > actually dealing with Pipex people, since it's the household side that
>> > Tiscali've taken over the running of. *breathes sigh of relief*
>>
>> Then you can imagine how I felt when Virgin bought out/ merged with or
>> whatever with NTL. They were dodgy as NTL but they're down right 
>> neglegent
>> as Virgin.
>>
>>
>>
>> > Francis dear, if you're thinking about moving, I recommend you check
>> > out the following few links first.
>>
>> It never hurts to shop around. :)
>>
>> >http://www.samknows.com/broadband/
>> >http://www.thinkbroadband.com/
>> >http://www.ispreview.co.uk/
>
> Flower of romance wrote:
>> trin wrote
>> > Flower of romance wrote:
>
>> >> Tiscali are pretty good.
>>
>> > Tiscali are one of the biggest loads of wank out, or so I've gathered
>> > on all of my research trips while I was trying to decide whether or
>> > not to upgrade us.
>>
>> That's your opinion. I know about half a dozen people who use them and
>> they've no complaints.
>
> No, that's not *my* opinion, it's the opinion's of the many many
> people whose posts I read while I spent ~a year and a half researching
> into what ISPs are good/bad/indifferent because I was looking to
> upgrade my broadband provider.

And yet I know half a dozen people who are happy with them. Everyone has 
their opinion and they are entitled to it.
>
>> >[my opinion on Tiscali's take over of Pipex]
>>
>> Then you can imagine how I felt when Virgin bought out/ merged with or
>> whatever with NTL. They were dodgy as NTL but they're down right 
>> neglegent
>> as Virgin.
>
> Dunno, can't get cable around here.

You're missing nothing.

>
>> > Francis dear, if you're thinking about moving, I recommend you check
>> > out the following few links first.
>>
>> It never hurts to shop around. :)
>
> They're less shopping around, and more telling you who's complaining
> about what, and what each is capable of delivering.

Can you think of a better way to shop around?

>
>> >http://www.samknows.com/broadband/
>> >http://www.thinkbroadband.com/
>> >http://www.ispreview.co.uk/

On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 12:04:22 +0100, "Flower of romance"
 wrote:

>This Continent is 
>money driven with the exclusion of all else, plain ans simple.

This Continent is not an entity free from influence. It contains
people. And many of us are far from 'money driven with the exclusion
of all else'. Many aren't.

You might want to think a bit beyond the generalisations.
-- 
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"I'm sorry I can't join in anymore, I've been let down too many times
before"

"Lady Nina"  wrote in message 
news:1f2574pgodtc8gsf4sovnqv95m6g6eifek@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 12:04:22 +0100, "Flower of romance"
>  wrote:
>
>>This Continent is
>>money driven with the exclusion of all else, plain ans simple.
>
> This Continent is not an entity free from influence. It contains
> people. And many of us are far from 'money driven with the exclusion
> of all else'. Many aren't.

Such people are in the public sector. The rest suffer with the strongest 
adiction I know of: Money..
>
> You might want to think a bit beyond the generalisations.

Like you did just there you mean? You generalised by inferring I only make 
generalisations.

> -- 
> Lady Nina
> "I'm sorry I can't join in anymore, I've been let down too many times
> before"

Flower of romance wrote:
> trin wrote

> > 1. Watch your attributions.
> 1. Why?

Because you made it look like you were saying what I had actually just
said, since you had no quote indicators at the starts of the lines.

> > 2. Surely if the telecoms want to sell their product, they need to
> > make the investment. Simple.
> That's far too senible, Trin. The big coorperations see only making as much
> money in the short term and spending as little as they can to get it.

Not really. Most companies know that if they want a user base, they
have to invest money to make it happen.

> > 3. Britain's not a rip off. Many of the products being sold in Britain
> > are being sold at rip-off prices, but that doesn't make Britain a a
> > rip off.
>
> Wrong!

No I'm not.

> Britain deserves it's name as rip off britain as things are made
> cheaply and sold with extortionate markups, they write dodgy clauses into
> contracts so you have to pay for srvices they don't provide and that you can
> be guilty of breaking a contract by something occuring that is nowhere near
> your fault,  and the law does little to protect us from it This Continent is
> money driven with the exclusion of all else, plain ans simple.

What a load of bollocks dear. Britain's no worse than the rest of the
world's heading atm.

--
trin

Flower of romance wrote:
> trin wrote

> >> >> Tiscali are pretty good.
> >> > Tiscali are one of the biggest loads of wank out
> >> That's your opinion.
> > No, that's not *my* opinion, it's the opinion's of the many many
> > people whose posts I read
> And yet I know half a dozen people who are happy with them. Everyone has
> their opinion and they are entitled to it.

I didn't say they didn't, or that they aren't. What I DID say was that
that was my conclusion based on research done, which is not
necessarily the same as my opinion.

> > Dunno, can't get cable around here.
> You're missing nothing.

I know exactly what I'm missing.

> >> >http://www.samknows.com/broadband/
> >> >http://www.thinkbroadband.com/
> >> >http://www.ispreview.co.uk/

--
trin

On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 17:32:03 -0700 (PDT), trin
 wrote:

>What a load of bollocks dear. Britain's no worse than the rest of the
>world's heading atm.

You seen this yet?

http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/
-- 
Lady Nina
"And no one discusses what they don't understand
And no one does anything to harm the brand"

"trin"  wrote in message 
news:b7ed58cc-59c2-42a1-b837-25407d127bcc@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> Flower of romance wrote:
>> trin wrote
>
>> > 1. Watch your attributions.
>> 1. Why?
>
> Because you made it look like you were saying what I had actually just
> said, since you had no quote indicators at the starts of the lines.
Oh right. People often do that to me. Annoying aint it?

>
>> > 2. Surely if the telecoms want to sell their product, they need to
>> > make the investment. Simple.
>> That's far too senible, Trin. The big coorperations see only making as 
>> much
>> money in the short term and spending as little as they can to get it.
>
> Not really. Most companies know that if they want a user base, they
> have to invest money to make it happen.

Again too sensible. Think about it Trin. Most broadband still user copper 
wire because neither they or the council will do the investment of laying 
fibre optics. It has to be true, it was on news 24. :)

>
>> > 3. Britain's not a rip off. Many of the products being sold in Britain
>> > are being sold at rip-off prices, but that doesn't make Britain a a
>> > rip off.
>>
>> Wrong!
>
> No I'm not.
You are. Britian in known as rip off britian. It's no longer Great Britian. 
Hell I'm amazed it's still called the United Kingdom.
>
>> Britain deserves it's name as rip off britain as things are made
>> cheaply and sold with extortionate markups, they write dodgy clauses into
>> contracts so you have to pay for srvices they don't provide and that you 
>> can
>> be guilty of breaking a contract by something occuring that is nowhere 
>> near
>> your fault,  and the law does little to protect us from it This Continent 
>> is
>> money driven with the exclusion of all else, plain ans simple.
>
> What a load of bollocks dear. Britain's no worse than the rest of the
> world's heading atm.

Totally shitemiestery, "dear". Britian is known the world over as the most 
expensive country to live in. Hell I don't like it any more than you do but 
there you are.

"trin"  wrote in message 
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> Flower of romance wrote:
>> trin wrote
>
>> > No, that's not *my* opinion, it's the opinion's of the many many
>> > people whose posts I read
>> And yet I know half a dozen people who are happy with them. Everyone has
>> their opinion and they are entitled to it.
>
> I didn't say they didn't, or that they aren't.

I didn't say you did.

>. What I DID say was that
> that was my conclusion based on research done, which is not
> necessarily the same as my opinion.

Fair enougn but people don't share your opinion. When Tiscali brought out 
Pipex, did they let the customers know they were doing this?
>
>> > Dunno, can't get cable around here.
>> You're missing nothing.
>
> I know exactly what I'm missing.

The arrogance, the poor customer service, the extortionate non-direct- debit 
charge. thiier hidden costs. You're better of with your current provider 
unless your current provider are the same.

Lady Nina wrote:

> You seen this yet?
>
> http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/

I'd seen the link before, but now I've just watched it.

Ta for the push. *shudders*

--
trin

Flower of romance wrote:

> Totally shitemiestery, "dear". Britian is known the world over as the most
> expensive country to live in.

You might wanna check your facts. A quick Google gives:
http://www.aneki.com/expensive.html

Most Expensive Countries to Live in
1	Japan
2	South Korea
3	Russia
4	Taiwan
5	Norway
6	Hong Kong
7	Switzerland
8	Denmark
9	Argentina
10	China
11	Finland
12	Cote d'Ivoire
13	United States
14	Sweden
15	Venezuela
16	United Kingdom
17	Singapore
18	Oman
19	Jordan
20	Kuwait

16th is nowhere near the most expensive country to live in.

> Hell I don't like it any more than you do but there you are.

But I do like it here. Wouldn't wanna go anywhere else.

--
trin

Flower of romance wrote:
> trin

[Tiscali]
> >> And yet I know half a dozen people who are happy with them. Everyone has
> >> their opinion and they are entitled to it.
> > I didn't say they didn't, or that they aren't.
> I didn't say you did.

Good.

> >. What I DID say was that that was my conclusion based on research done,
> > which is not necessarily the same as my opinion.
>
> Fair enougn but people don't share your opinion.

Which part of it NOT being my opinion are you having trouble with? I
haven't actually stated my 'opinion' only the conclusions that I drew
based on the in-depth research that I did.

> When Tiscali brought out Pipex, did they let the customers know they were
> doing this?

How is that relevant?

> >> > Dunno, can't get cable around here.
> >> You're missing nothing.
> > I know exactly what I'm missing.
> The arrogance, the poor customer service, the extortionate non-direct- debit
> charge. thiier hidden costs. You're better of with your current provider
> unless your current provider are the same.

That's your experience, not mine.

--
trin

"trin"  wrote in message 
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> Flower of romance wrote:
>
>> Totally shitemiestery, "dear". Britian is known the world over as the 
>> most
>> expensive country to live in.
>
> You might wanna check your facts. A quick Google gives:
> http://www.aneki.com/expensive.html
>
> Most Expensive Countries to Live in
> 1 Japan
> 2 South Korea
> 3 Russia
> 4 Taiwan
> 5 Norway
> 6 Hong Kong
> 7 Switzerland
> 8 Denmark
> 9 Argentina
> 10 China
> 11 Finland
> 12 Cote d'Ivoire
> 13 United States
> 14 Sweden
> 15 Venezuela
> 16 United Kingdom
> 17 Singapore
> 18 Oman
> 19 Jordan
> 20 Kuwait
>
Not according to news 24

I would rather trust them than a webpage. Particularly one that might be out 
of date.
plus no way is America more expensive to live in than Britain.


> 16th is nowhere near the most expensive country to live in.
>
>> Hell I don't like it any more than you do but there you are.
>
> But I do like it here. Wouldn't wanna go anywhere else.

I quite fancy thailand. :)

"trin"  wrote in message 
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> Flower of romance wrote:
>> trin
>
> [Tiscali]
>> >> And yet I know half a dozen people who are happy with them. Everyone 
>> >> has
>> >> their opinion and they are entitled to it.
>> > I didn't say they didn't, or that they aren't.
>> I didn't say you did.
>
> Good.

Very good.

>
>> >. What I DID say was that that was my conclusion based on research done,
>> > which is not necessarily the same as my opinion.
>>
>> Fair enougn but people don't share your opinion.
>
> Which part of it NOT being my opinion are you having trouble with? I
> haven't actually stated my 'opinion' only the conclusions that I drew
> based on the in-depth research that I did.

You seem to be arguing not your opinion pretty strongly.
>
>> When Tiscali brought out Pipex, did they let the customers know they were
>> doing this?
>
> How is that relevant?

I'm curious. Did they tell you?

>
>> >> > Dunno, can't get cable around here.
>> >> You're missing nothing.
>> > I know exactly what I'm missing.
>> The arrogance, the poor customer service, the extortionate non-direct- 
>> debit
>> charge. thiier hidden costs. You're better of with your current provider
>> unless your current provider are the same.
>
> That's your experience, not mine.

Mine and many others'

>
> --
> trin

Flower of romance wrote:
> trin wrote

> >> Totally shitemiestery, "dear". Britian is known the world over as the
> >> most expensive country to live in.
> > You might wanna check your facts. A quick Google gives:
> >http://www.aneki.com/expensive.html
...
> > 16 United Kingdom
...
> Not according to news 24

Bwahahahaaaaaa.

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?p=1869255
http://mediamythbusters.com/index.php?title=BBC
http://www.beebwatch.co.uk/
http://biasedbbc.proboards45.com/index.cgi?board=Rant&action=display&thread=130

Of course, this is me assuming that you're on about BBCNews24, as I
don't know of any other News24 channel.

> I would rather trust them than a webpage. Particularly one that might be out
> of date.

http://www.aneki.com/about.html
<quote>
Aneki.com is an independent, privately operated website based in
Montreal, Canada. We are dedicated to promoting wider knowledge of the
world's countries and regions. Our website serves as a comprehensive
source of continental and world rankings in an increasing number of
categories. The data for our compilations is derivedfrom numerous
sources including United Nations agencies and the United States'
Central Intelligence Agency's World Factbook.
</quote>

> plus no way is America more expensive to live in than Britain.

How'd you know? Have you ever lived there?

> I quite fancy thailand. :)

Yes, but I doubt Thailand fancies you. :p

--
trin

Flower of romance wrote:
> trin wrote

> >> >. What I DID say was that that was my conclusion based on research done,
> >> > which is not necessarily the same as my opinion.
> >> Fair enougn but people don't share your opinion.
> > Which part of it NOT being my opinion are you having trouble with?
> You seem to be arguing not your opinion pretty strongly.

No, I'm pointing out that its a conclusion based on research. My
personal opinion isn't always the same thing.

> >> When Tiscali brought out Pipex, did they let the customers know they were
> >> doing this?
> > How is that relevant?
> I'm curious. Did they tell you?

I honestly can't remember. I'm curious as to why you're curious.

> > That's your experience, not mine.
> Mine and many others'

Yet when I said the same thing up there, only leaving out the "mine"
part, you argued that a few of your mates are happy, and so I must've
been wrong. *rolls eyes*

--
trin

trin wrote:
> Flower of romance wrote:
>> trin wrote
> 
>>>> Totally shitemiestery, "dear". Britian is known the world over as the
>>>> most expensive country to live in.
>>> You might wanna check your facts. A quick Google gives:
>>> http://www.aneki.com/expensive.html
> ...
>>> 16 United Kingdom
> ...
>> Not according to news 24
> 
> Bwahahahaaaaaa.
> 
> http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?p=1869255
> http://mediamythbusters.com/index.php?title=BBC
> http://www.beebwatch.co.uk/
> http://biasedbbc.proboards45.com/index.cgi?board=Rant&action=display&thread=130
> 
> Of course, this is me assuming that you're on about BBCNews24, as I
> don't know of any other News24 channel.
> 
>> I would rather trust them than a webpage. Particularly one that might be out
>> of date.
> 
> http://www.aneki.com/about.html
> <quote>
> Aneki.com is an independent, privately operated website based in
> Montreal, Canada. We are dedicated to promoting wider knowledge of the
> world's countries and regions. Our website serves as a comprehensive
> source of continental and world rankings in an increasing number of
> categories. The data for our compilations is derivedfrom numerous
> sources including United Nations agencies and the United States'
> Central Intelligence Agency's World Factbook.
> </quote>
> 
>> plus no way is America more expensive to live in than Britain.
> 
> How'd you know? Have you ever lived there?

Been over there a few times, when the £ was at £1.60, and even then I 
found it incredibly cheap. Everything, from hotel rooms to houses, to 
cars to CDs to food...

Here's the equivalent of my crappy 3 bed terraced house in a slightly 
scummy area of Bedford.
http://tinyurl.com/5lu8ld

FFF
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
Remote Viewing classes in London

Dirk Bruere at NeoPax wrote:
> trin wrote:
> > Flower of romance wrote:

<trims Dirk's nice example of how not to quote>
> >> plus no way is America more expensive to live in than Britain.
> > How'd you know? Have you ever lived there?
> Been over there a few times, when the £ was at £1.60, and even then I
> found it incredibly cheap. Everything, from hotel rooms to houses, to
> cars to CDs to food...

I s'pose it has to be cheap really, given what they have to pay if
they need medical attention. :/

> Here's the equivalent of my crappy 3 bed terraced house in a slightly
> scummy area of Bedford.http://tinyurl.com/5lu8ld

Priddy. OTOH, they've got a lot more dirt out there to play with, and
so even the small homes're likely to look big from over here.

--
trin

"trin"  wrote in message 
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> Flower of romance wrote:
>> trin wrote
>
>> >> Totally shitemiestery, "dear". Britian is known the world over as the
>> >> most expensive country to live in.
>> > You might wanna check your facts. A quick Google gives:
>> >http://www.aneki.com/expensive.html
> ...
>> > 16 United Kingdom
> ...
>> Not according to news 24
>
> Bwahahahaaaaaa.
>
> http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?p=1869255
> http://mediamythbusters.com/index.php?title=BBC
> http://www.beebwatch.co.uk/
> http://biasedbbc.proboards45.com/index.cgi?board=Rant&action=display&thread=130
>
> Of course, this is me assuming that you're on about BBCNews24, as I
> don't know of any other News24 channel.

Well News 24. Local news, BBC and ITV. BBC Radio 1, Question time, misc 
current affairs programs, not to mention actually seeing the reality for my 
self but how do you post that on the internet??????

>
>> I would rather trust them than a webpage. Particularly one that might be 
>> out
>> of date.
>
> http://www.aneki.com/about.html
> <quote>
> Aneki.com is an independent, privately operated website based in
> Montreal, Canada. We are dedicated to promoting wider knowledge of the
> world's countries and regions. Our website serves as a comprehensive
> source of continental and world rankings in an increasing number of
> categories. The data for our compilations is derivedfrom numerous
> sources including United Nations agencies and the United States'
> Central Intelligence Agency's World Factbook.
> </quote>

It's on a webpage. It has to be true....... erm. Oh dear.

>
>> plus no way is America more expensive to live in than Britain.
>
> How'd you know? Have you ever lived there?
In America, they are complaining that their petrol has gone up to three 
dollars a gallon but that was a fortnight ago. How much is a gallon here 
again? I buy most of my books, cds and a lot of radio gear from America 
because it's so much cheaper than it is here and mow many times are you 
taxed for driving here? well there's road tax, congestion charges, income 
tax. Some of that is meant to cover the roads, tax on petrol at 66% (but 
that was last week), vat. They claim some of that is for roads too. Have I 
missed any? And I hear on one of the afoementioned programs that America 
have a nice little law that prevents a person being taxed more than once for 
any given thing. Oh my.
>
>> I quite fancy thailand. :)
>
> Yes, but I doubt Thailand fancies you. :p

I scrub up well. She might. :)

"trin"  wrote in message 
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> Flower of romance wrote:
>> trin wrote
>
>> >> >. What I DID say was that that was my conclusion based on research 
>> >> >done,
>> >> > which is not necessarily the same as my opinion.
>> >> Fair enougn but people don't share your opinion.
>> > Which part of it NOT being my opinion are you having trouble with?
>> You seem to be arguing not your opinion pretty strongly.
>
> No, I'm pointing out that its a conclusion based on research. My
> personal opinion isn't always the same thing.

Yes.
>
>> >> When Tiscali brought out Pipex, did they let the customers know they 
>> >> were
>> >> doing this?
>> > How is that relevant?
>> I'm curious. Did they tell you?
>
> I honestly can't remember. I'm curious as to why you're curious.

Beause NTL didn't and according to trading standards, they should have. I'm 
wondering if it's common practice for big companies to break the law or just 
the ones I deal with.
>
>> > That's your experience, not mine.
>> Mine and many others'
>
> Yet when I said the same thing up there, only leaving out the "mine"
> part, you argued that a few of your mates are happy, and so I must've
> been wrong. *rolls eyes*

Where did I say that you were wrong?????
*Sigh*