I was watching that Dispatches prog about the cost of food, and the
bit about how City folk can speculate on food prices has prompted me
to come up with this proposal: Humans are too stupid to live. 

Thoughts?


-- 
I’m new wave, but I’m old school and my inner child is outward bound. 
I’m a hot-wired, heat seeking, warm-hearted cool customer, voice 
activated and bio-degradable.

"Halla"  wrote in message 
news:lkm564p12a3b6qr08alrp3nl1e9rc9ag2c@4ax.com...
>I was watching that Dispatches prog about the cost of food, and the
> bit about how City folk can speculate on food prices has prompted me
> to come up with this proposal: Humans are too stupid to live.
>
> Thoughts?

I'm amazed we lasted as long as we have. :) I don't think it's stupidity 
though. I think people are afraid of the truth.

On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:35:55 +0100, "Flower of romance"
 blethered:

>
>"Halla"  wrote in message 
>news:lkm564p12a3b6qr08alrp3nl1e9rc9ag2c@4ax.com...
>>I was watching that Dispatches prog about the cost of food, and the
>> bit about how City folk can speculate on food prices has prompted me
>> to come up with this proposal: Humans are too stupid to live.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>
>I'm amazed we lasted as long as we have. :) I don't think it's stupidity 
>though. I think people are afraid of the truth.
>

?

Which is...?


-- 
I’m new wave, but I’m old school and my inner child is outward bound. 
I’m a hot-wired, heat seeking, warm-hearted cool customer, voice 
activated and bio-degradable.

"Halla"  wrote in message 
news:6m4764pchmlvt814qnvo6501b4c95m71f7@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:35:55 +0100, "Flower of romance"
>  blethered:
>
>>
>>"Halla"  wrote in message
>>news:lkm564p12a3b6qr08alrp3nl1e9rc9ag2c@4ax.com...
>>>I was watching that Dispatches prog about the cost of food, and the
>>> bit about how City folk can speculate on food prices has prompted me
>>> to come up with this proposal: Humans are too stupid to live.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>
>>I'm amazed we lasted as long as we have. :) I don't think it's stupidity
>>though. I think people are afraid of the truth.
>>
>
> ?
>
> Which is...?

I should have said "truths" rather than "the truth".
>
>
> -- 
> I'm new wave, but I'm old school and my inner child is outward bound.
> I'm a hot-wired, heat seeking, warm-hearted cool customer, voice
> activated and bio-degradable.

On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:27:10 +0100, "Flower of romance"
 blethered:

>
>"Halla"  wrote in message 
>news:6m4764pchmlvt814qnvo6501b4c95m71f7@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:35:55 +0100, "Flower of romance"
>>  blethered:
>>
>>>
>>>"Halla"  wrote in message
>>>news:lkm564p12a3b6qr08alrp3nl1e9rc9ag2c@4ax.com...
>>>>I was watching that Dispatches prog about the cost of food, and the
>>>> bit about how City folk can speculate on food prices has prompted me
>>>> to come up with this proposal: Humans are too stupid to live.
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>>I'm amazed we lasted as long as we have. :) I don't think it's stupidity
>>>though. I think people are afraid of the truth.
>>>
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Which is...?
>
>I should have said "truths" rather than "the truth".

OK. What are the truths?


-- 
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A high-concept, low-profile, medium-range ballistic missionary.

Halla wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:27:10 +0100, "Flower of romance"
>  blethered:
> 
>> "Halla"  wrote in message 
>> news:6m4764pchmlvt814qnvo6501b4c95m71f7@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:35:55 +0100, "Flower of romance"
>>>  blethered:
>>>
>>>> "Halla"  wrote in message
>>>> news:lkm564p12a3b6qr08alrp3nl1e9rc9ag2c@4ax.com...
>>>>> I was watching that Dispatches prog about the cost of food, and the
>>>>> bit about how City folk can speculate on food prices has prompted me
>>>>> to come up with this proposal: Humans are too stupid to live.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>> I'm amazed we lasted as long as we have. :) I don't think it's stupidity
>>>> though. I think people are afraid of the truth.
>>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Which is...?
>> I should have said "truths" rather than "the truth".
> 
> OK. What are the truths?

Statements that correspond with reality.
One way or another Humans will be on the way out within 50 years. What 
comes next is being decided now.

FFF
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
Remote Viewing classes in London

"Halla"  wrote in message
news:lkm564p12a3b6qr08alrp3nl1e9rc9ag2c@4ax.com...
> I was watching that Dispatches prog about the cost of food, and the
> bit about how City folk can speculate on food prices has prompted me
> to come up with this proposal: Humans are too stupid to live.
>
> Thoughts?
>
We're also too dumb to die as well.  Bit of a conundrum really.
--
Rhiannon_s
I am me, this is now, we are here!

"Halla"  wrote in message 
news:bk8864ha6i76m47ca6rlg3jek4hdcmkn4s@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:27:10 +0100, "Flower of romance"
>  blethered:
>
>>
>>"Halla"  wrote in message
>>news:6m4764pchmlvt814qnvo6501b4c95m71f7@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:35:55 +0100, "Flower of romance"
>>>  blethered:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Halla"  wrote in message
>>>>news:lkm564p12a3b6qr08alrp3nl1e9rc9ag2c@4ax.com...
>>>>>I was watching that Dispatches prog about the cost of food, and the
>>>>> bit about how City folk can speculate on food prices has prompted me
>>>>> to come up with this proposal: Humans are too stupid to live.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>>I'm amazed we lasted as long as we have. :) I don't think it's stupidity
>>>>though. I think people are afraid of the truth.
>>>>
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Which is...?
>>
>>I should have said "truths" rather than "the truth".
>
> OK. What are the truths?
Depends on the context but to ensure we're not at cross purposes and  I've 
not  misunderstood you What makes you think that people are too stupid to 
live?

>
>
> -- 
> I'm in-the-moment, on-the-edge, over-the-top and under-the-radar.
> A high-concept, low-profile, medium-range ballistic missionary.

"Dirk Bruere at NeoPax"  wrote in message 
news:6civhdF3e0eboU1@mid.individual.net...
> Halla wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:27:10 +0100, "Flower of romance"
>>  blethered:
>>
>>> "Halla"  wrote in message 
>>> news:6m4764pchmlvt814qnvo6501b4c95m71f7@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:35:55 +0100, "Flower of romance"
>>>>  blethered:
>>>>
>>>>> "Halla"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:lkm564p12a3b6qr08alrp3nl1e9rc9ag2c@4ax.com...
>>>>>> I was watching that Dispatches prog about the cost of food, and the
>>>>>> bit about how City folk can speculate on food prices has prompted me
>>>>>> to come up with this proposal: Humans are too stupid to live.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>> I'm amazed we lasted as long as we have. :) I don't think it's 
>>>>> stupidity
>>>>> though. I think people are afraid of the truth.
>>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>> Which is...?
>>> I should have said "truths" rather than "the truth".
>>
>> OK. What are the truths?
>
> Statements that correspond with reality.
> One way or another Humans will be on the way out within 50 years. What 
> comes next is being decided now.

It's a sobering thought isn't it?

>
> FFF
> Dirk
>
> http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
> Remote Viewing classes in London

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:19:45 +0100, "rhiannon s"
 blethered:

>
>
>"Halla"  wrote in message
>news:lkm564p12a3b6qr08alrp3nl1e9rc9ag2c@4ax.com...
>> I was watching that Dispatches prog about the cost of food, and the
>> bit about how City folk can speculate on food prices has prompted me
>> to come up with this proposal: Humans are too stupid to live.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>We're also too dumb to die as well.  Bit of a conundrum really.

Yeah. *sighs* 


-- 
I’m in-the-moment, on-the-edge, over-the-top and under-the-radar. 
A high-concept, low-profile, medium-range ballistic missionary.

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:52:45 +0100, "Flower of romance"
 blethered:

>
>"Halla"  wrote in message 
>news:bk8864ha6i76m47ca6rlg3jek4hdcmkn4s@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:27:10 +0100, "Flower of romance"
>>  blethered:
>>
>>>
>>>"Halla"  wrote in message
>>>news:6m4764pchmlvt814qnvo6501b4c95m71f7@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:35:55 +0100, "Flower of romance"
>>>>  blethered:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Halla"  wrote in message
>>>>>news:lkm564p12a3b6qr08alrp3nl1e9rc9ag2c@4ax.com...
>>>>>>I was watching that Dispatches prog about the cost of food, and the
>>>>>> bit about how City folk can speculate on food prices has prompted me
>>>>>> to come up with this proposal: Humans are too stupid to live.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm amazed we lasted as long as we have. :) I don't think it's stupidity
>>>>>though. I think people are afraid of the truth.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>> Which is...?
>>>
>>>I should have said "truths" rather than "the truth".
>>
>> OK. What are the truths?
>Depends on the context but to ensure we're not at cross purposes and  I've 
>not  misunderstood you What makes you think that people are too stupid to 
>live?

We bet on the price of our food. *Food*. Some folk are more concerned
with pushing the gold around than with ensuring there is food. And
most of the rest of the world lets them get on with it, or even buys
(ha!) into the idea that this is a good way to behave. What a
thoroughly stupid species. We invent all these marvellous means of
transport, we can communicate across an entire planet, and the best we
manage to do collaboratively is the stock market. Wow.

</rantette>

So did you misunderstand me? What are the truths?


-- 
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A high-concept, low-profile, medium-range ballistic missionary.

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:53:29 +0100, "Flower of romance"
 blethered:

>
>"Dirk Bruere at NeoPax"  wrote in message 
>news:6civhdF3e0eboU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Halla wrote:
>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:27:10 +0100, "Flower of romance"
>>>  blethered:
>>>
>>>> "Halla"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:6m4764pchmlvt814qnvo6501b4c95m71f7@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:35:55 +0100, "Flower of romance"
>>>>>  blethered:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Halla"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:lkm564p12a3b6qr08alrp3nl1e9rc9ag2c@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> I was watching that Dispatches prog about the cost of food, and the
>>>>>>> bit about how City folk can speculate on food prices has prompted me
>>>>>>> to come up with this proposal: Humans are too stupid to live.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>> I'm amazed we lasted as long as we have. :) I don't think it's 
>>>>>> stupidity
>>>>>> though. I think people are afraid of the truth.
>>>>>>
>>>>> ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Which is...?
>>>> I should have said "truths" rather than "the truth".
>>>
>>> OK. What are the truths?
>>
>> Statements that correspond with reality.
>> One way or another Humans will be on the way out within 50 years. What 
>> comes next is being decided now.
>
>It's a sobering thought isn't it?

Nope. 


-- 
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A high-concept, low-profile, medium-range ballistic missionary.

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 02:53:49 +0100, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
 blethered:

>Halla wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:27:10 +0100, "Flower of romance"
>>  blethered:
>> 
>>> "Halla"  wrote in message 
>>> news:6m4764pchmlvt814qnvo6501b4c95m71f7@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:35:55 +0100, "Flower of romance"
>>>>  blethered:
>>>>
>>>>> "Halla"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:lkm564p12a3b6qr08alrp3nl1e9rc9ag2c@4ax.com...
>>>>>> I was watching that Dispatches prog about the cost of food, and the
>>>>>> bit about how City folk can speculate on food prices has prompted me
>>>>>> to come up with this proposal: Humans are too stupid to live.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>> I'm amazed we lasted as long as we have. :) I don't think it's stupidity
>>>>> though. I think people are afraid of the truth.
>>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>> Which is...?
>>> I should have said "truths" rather than "the truth".
>> 
>> OK. What are the truths?
>
>Statements that correspond with reality.

And those statements are?

>One way or another Humans will be on the way out within 50 years. What 
>comes next is being decided now.

By whom?


-- 
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A high-concept, low-profile, medium-range ballistic missionary.

Halla wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 02:53:49 +0100, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
>  blethered:
> 
>> Halla wrote:
>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:27:10 +0100, "Flower of romance"
>>>  blethered:
>>>
>>>> "Halla"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:6m4764pchmlvt814qnvo6501b4c95m71f7@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:35:55 +0100, "Flower of romance"
>>>>>  blethered:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Halla"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:lkm564p12a3b6qr08alrp3nl1e9rc9ag2c@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> I was watching that Dispatches prog about the cost of food, and the
>>>>>>> bit about how City folk can speculate on food prices has prompted me
>>>>>>> to come up with this proposal: Humans are too stupid to live.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>> I'm amazed we lasted as long as we have. :) I don't think it's stupidity
>>>>>> though. I think people are afraid of the truth.
>>>>>>
>>>>> ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Which is...?
>>>> I should have said "truths" rather than "the truth".
>>> OK. What are the truths?
>> Statements that correspond with reality.
> 
> And those statements are?

I was speaking generally.

>> One way or another Humans will be on the way out within 50 years. What 
>> comes next is being decided now.
> 
> By whom?

Engineers and scientists, for now.
By the time politicians become involved it will be a done deal.
The exit routes are named "genetic engineering" and "artificial 
intelligence". Right now full neural simulations of the visual cortex 
are being run on supercomputers - that's 10% of the processing power of 
the Human brain. The aim is for a total realtime simulation by 2015.

FFF
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
Remote Viewing classes in London

"Halla"  wrote in message 
news:qqc9645si05vv9l4t1h4ol7f55cfkhq20f@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:53:29 +0100, "Flower of romance"
>  blethered:
>
>>
>>"Dirk Bruere at NeoPax"  wrote in message
>>news:6civhdF3e0eboU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> Halla wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:27:10 +0100, "Flower of romance"
>>>>  blethered:
>>>>
>>>>> "Halla"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:6m4764pchmlvt814qnvo6501b4c95m71f7@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:35:55 +0100, "Flower of romance"
>>>>>>  blethered:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Halla"  wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:lkm564p12a3b6qr08alrp3nl1e9rc9ag2c@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> I was watching that Dispatches prog about the cost of food, and the
>>>>>>>> bit about how City folk can speculate on food prices has prompted 
>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>> to come up with this proposal: Humans are too stupid to live.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>> I'm amazed we lasted as long as we have. :) I don't think it's
>>>>>>> stupidity
>>>>>>> though. I think people are afraid of the truth.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which is...?
>>>>> I should have said "truths" rather than "the truth".
>>>>
>>>> OK. What are the truths?
>>>
>>> Statements that correspond with reality.
>>> One way or another Humans will be on the way out within 50 years. What
>>> comes next is being decided now.
>>
>>It's a sobering thought isn't it?
>
> Nope.

Just for me then.
>
>
> -- 
> I'm in-the-moment, on-the-edge, over-the-top and under-the-radar.
> A high-concept, low-profile, medium-range ballistic missionary.

"Halla"  wrote in message 
news:klc9641hq99sjjc7h2urc9qtestpo6jg4u@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:52:45 +0100, "Flower of romance"
>  blethered:
>
>>
>>"Halla"  wrote in message
>>news:bk8864ha6i76m47ca6rlg3jek4hdcmkn4s@4ax.com...
>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:27:10 +0100, "Flower of romance"
>>>  blethered:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Halla"  wrote in message
>>>>news:6m4764pchmlvt814qnvo6501b4c95m71f7@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:35:55 +0100, "Flower of romance"
>>>>>  blethered:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Halla"  wrote in message
>>>>>>news:lkm564p12a3b6qr08alrp3nl1e9rc9ag2c@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>I was watching that Dispatches prog about the cost of food, and the
>>>>>>> bit about how City folk can speculate on food prices has prompted me
>>>>>>> to come up with this proposal: Humans are too stupid to live.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm amazed we lasted as long as we have. :) I don't think it's 
>>>>>>stupidity
>>>>>>though. I think people are afraid of the truth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Which is...?
>>>>
>>>>I should have said "truths" rather than "the truth".
>>>
>>> OK. What are the truths?
>>Depends on the context but to ensure we're not at cross purposes and  I've
>>not  misunderstood you What makes you think that people are too stupid to
>>live?
>
> We bet on the price of our food. *Food*. Some folk are more concerned
> with pushing the gold around than with ensuring there is food. And
> most of the rest of the world lets them get on with it, or even buys
> (ha!) into the idea that this is a good way to behave. What a
> thoroughly stupid species. We invent all these marvellous means of
> transport, we can communicate across an entire planet, and the best we
> manage to do collaboratively is the stock market. Wow.
>
> </rantette>

Very articulet
>
> So did you misunderstand me? What are the truths?

No. I didn't misunderstand you. The truth in this concept is that people 
live in a comfort zone and would rather live in a comfort zone where  there 
is a corrupt system rather than daring to fix it and that goes al the way to 
the top. Like you said, people buy into this and why? Not because they are 
stupid but because they don't want to know that  this system of ours is a 
toilet of corruption. where greed and shittingon your fellow man financially 
is actively encouraged and where people are lebelled a success because they 
have a lot of money and despite the fact that they've probably raped mother 
earth and thier kindred humankind to get it. Damn, man it's a fucking 
sickness..

>
>
> -- 
> I'm in-the-moment, on-the-edge, over-the-top and under-the-radar.
> A high-concept, low-profile, medium-range ballistic missionary.

"Halla"  wrote in message
news:1lc964dsfjk896dlo6t5gdjq9905ige88c@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:19:45 +0100, "rhiannon s"
>  blethered:
>
> >
> >
> >"Halla"  wrote in message
> >news:lkm564p12a3b6qr08alrp3nl1e9rc9ag2c@4ax.com...
> >> I was watching that Dispatches prog about the cost of food, and the
> >> bit about how City folk can speculate on food prices has prompted me
> >> to come up with this proposal: Humans are too stupid to live.
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >>
> >We're also too dumb to die as well.  Bit of a conundrum really.
>
> Yeah. *sighs*

I have dreams - evil dreams. I sometimes ruminate on the possibility of
culling chunks of society.
And before anyone gets hoity toity about "who are you to decide who gets the
chop" its only a blimmin daydream. And besides I vote the chavs get eaten
first, although they probably taste nasty.

On a more reasonable note - I have at least started growing some of my own
fud - first raspberry yesterday. Only one tho, so maybe this
self-sufficiency lark is not gonna happen overnight... with one tiny yard...
and a couple fo raspberry bushes in pots..... but there are lots and lots of
overfed chavs in my street :-D

Jo

>
>
> -- 
> I'm in-the-moment, on-the-edge, over-the-top and under-the-radar.
> A high-concept, low-profile, medium-range ballistic missionary.

Jo B... wrote:
> "Halla"  wrote in message
> news:1lc964dsfjk896dlo6t5gdjq9905ige88c@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:19:45 +0100, "rhiannon s"
>>  blethered:
>>
>>>
>>> "Halla"  wrote in message
>>> news:lkm564p12a3b6qr08alrp3nl1e9rc9ag2c@4ax.com...
>>>> I was watching that Dispatches prog about the cost of food, and the
>>>> bit about how City folk can speculate on food prices has prompted me
>>>> to come up with this proposal: Humans are too stupid to live.
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>
>>> We're also too dumb to die as well.  Bit of a conundrum really.
>> Yeah. *sighs*
> 
> I have dreams - evil dreams. I sometimes ruminate on the possibility of
> culling chunks of society.
> And before anyone gets hoity toity about "who are you to decide who gets the
> chop" its only a blimmin daydream. And besides I vote the chavs get eaten
> first, although they probably taste nasty.
> 
> On a more reasonable note - I have at least started growing some of my own
> fud - first raspberry yesterday. Only one tho, so maybe this
> self-sufficiency lark is not gonna happen overnight... with one tiny yard...
> and a couple fo raspberry bushes in pots..... but there are lots and lots of
> overfed chavs in my street :-D

Move to the Outer Hebrides.
Loads of wind power, cheap land.
No people (or rather, very low pop density)

FFF
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
Remote Viewing classes in London

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:30:29 +0100, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
 blethered:

>Jo B... wrote:
<snip>
>> On a more reasonable note - I have at least started growing some of my own
>> fud - first raspberry yesterday. Only one tho, so maybe this
>> self-sufficiency lark is not gonna happen overnight... with one tiny yard...
>> and a couple fo raspberry bushes in pots..... but there are lots and lots of
>> overfed chavs in my street :-D
>
>Move to the Outer Hebrides.
>Loads of wind power, cheap land.
>No people (or rather, very low pop density)

But also a severe lack of water lately, due to low rainfall.


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A high-concept, low-profile, medium-range ballistic missionary.

Halla wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:30:29 +0100, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
>  blethered:
> 
>> Jo B... wrote:
> <snip>
>>> On a more reasonable note - I have at least started growing some of my own
>>> fud - first raspberry yesterday. Only one tho, so maybe this
>>> self-sufficiency lark is not gonna happen overnight... with one tiny yard...
>>> and a couple fo raspberry bushes in pots..... but there are lots and lots of
>>> overfed chavs in my street :-D
>> Move to the Outer Hebrides.
>> Loads of wind power, cheap land.
>> No people (or rather, very low pop density)
> 
> But also a severe lack of water lately, due to low rainfall.

Not that bad.
Annual rainfall is around 1m per year.
Catch it from 100 sq m of roof and you have 2 tonnes a week to play with.

FFF
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
Remote Viewing classes in London

"Dirk Bruere at NeoPax"  wrote in message 
news:6cn90fF3hnohnU1@mid.individual.net...
> Halla wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:30:29 +0100, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
>>  blethered:
>>
>>> Jo B... wrote:
>> <snip>
>>>> On a more reasonable note - I have at least started growing some of my 
>>>> own
>>>> fud - first raspberry yesterday. Only one tho, so maybe this
>>>> self-sufficiency lark is not gonna happen overnight... with one tiny 
>>>> yard...
>>>> and a couple fo raspberry bushes in pots..... but there are lots and 
>>>> lots of
>>>> overfed chavs in my street :-D
>>> Move to the Outer Hebrides.
>>> Loads of wind power, cheap land.
>>> No people (or rather, very low pop density)
>>
>> But also a severe lack of water lately, due to low rainfall.
>
> Not that bad.
> Annual rainfall is around 1m per year.
> Catch it from 100 sq m of roof and you have 2 tonnes a week to play with.

You could always process your own urine if you run out of water and if you 
fancty a foam moustache you can only remove with turps. ;)
>
> FFF
> Dirk
>
> http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
> Remote Viewing classes in London

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 18:00:03 +0100, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
 blethered:

>Halla wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:30:29 +0100, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
>>  blethered:
>> 
>>> Jo B... wrote:
>> <snip>
>>>> On a more reasonable note - I have at least started growing some of my own
>>>> fud - first raspberry yesterday. Only one tho, so maybe this
>>>> self-sufficiency lark is not gonna happen overnight... with one tiny yard...
>>>> and a couple fo raspberry bushes in pots..... but there are lots and lots of
>>>> overfed chavs in my street :-D
>>> Move to the Outer Hebrides.
>>> Loads of wind power, cheap land.
>>> No people (or rather, very low pop density)
>> 
>> But also a severe lack of water lately, due to low rainfall.
>
>Not that bad.
>Annual rainfall is around 1m per year.
>Catch it from 100 sq m of roof and you have 2 tonnes a week to play with.

There's been a slight hitch in that plan on St. Kilda.

http://www.kilda.org.uk/frameblog.htm


-- 
I’m in-the-moment, on-the-edge, over-the-top and under-the-radar. 
A high-concept, low-profile, medium-range ballistic missionary.

Halla wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 18:00:03 +0100, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
>  blethered:
> 
>> Halla wrote:
>>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:30:29 +0100, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
>>>  blethered:
>>>
>>>> Jo B... wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>>> On a more reasonable note - I have at least started growing some of my own
>>>>> fud - first raspberry yesterday. Only one tho, so maybe this
>>>>> self-sufficiency lark is not gonna happen overnight... with one tiny yard...
>>>>> and a couple fo raspberry bushes in pots..... but there are lots and lots of
>>>>> overfed chavs in my street :-D
>>>> Move to the Outer Hebrides.
>>>> Loads of wind power, cheap land.
>>>> No people (or rather, very low pop density)
>>> But also a severe lack of water lately, due to low rainfall.
>> Not that bad.
>> Annual rainfall is around 1m per year.
>> Catch it from 100 sq m of roof and you have 2 tonnes a week to play with.
> 
> There's been a slight hitch in that plan on St. Kilda.
> 
> http://www.kilda.org.uk/frameblog.htm

That's lo-tech living for you.
They should try the alternative, with plenty of energy and custom 
catchment ponds.

FFF
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
Remote Viewing classes in London

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:35:58 +0100, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
 blethered:

>Halla wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 02:53:49 +0100, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
>>  blethered:
>> 
>>> Halla wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:27:10 +0100, "Flower of romance"
>>>>  blethered:
>>>>
>>>>> "Halla"  wrote in message 
>>>>> news:6m4764pchmlvt814qnvo6501b4c95m71f7@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:35:55 +0100, "Flower of romance"
>>>>>>  blethered:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Halla"  wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:lkm564p12a3b6qr08alrp3nl1e9rc9ag2c@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> I was watching that Dispatches prog about the cost of food, and the
>>>>>>>> bit about how City folk can speculate on food prices has prompted me
>>>>>>>> to come up with this proposal: Humans are too stupid to live.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>> I'm amazed we lasted as long as we have. :) I don't think it's stupidity
>>>>>>> though. I think people are afraid of the truth.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which is...?
>>>>> I should have said "truths" rather than "the truth".
>>>> OK. What are the truths?
>>> Statements that correspond with reality.
>> 
>> And those statements are?
>
>I was speaking generally.
>

That's of limited use to me, I was asking for specifics.

>>> One way or another Humans will be on the way out within 50 years. What 
>>> comes next is being decided now.
>> 
>> By whom?
>
>Engineers and scientists, for now.

Who told them they could? 

>By the time politicians become involved it will be a done deal.
>The exit routes are named "genetic engineering" 

Of what? Food? Doesn't work at the moment. 

>and "artificial 
>intelligence". Right now full neural simulations of the visual cortex 
>are being run on supercomputers - that's 10% of the processing power of 
>the Human brain. The aim is for a total realtime simulation by 2015.
>
I wonder why they'd want to do that though, apart from 'because they
can'.


-- 
I’m in-the-moment, on-the-edge, over-the-top and under-the-radar. 
A high-concept, low-profile, medium-range ballistic missionary.

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:04:49 +0100, "Flower of romance"
 blethered:

>
>"Halla"  wrote in message 
>news:klc9641hq99sjjc7h2urc9qtestpo6jg4u@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:52:45 +0100, "Flower of romance"
>>  blethered:
>>
>>>
>>>"Halla"  wrote in message
>>>news:bk8864ha6i76m47ca6rlg3jek4hdcmkn4s@4ax.com...
>>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:27:10 +0100, "Flower of romance"
>>>>  blethered:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Halla"  wrote in message
>>>>>news:6m4764pchmlvt814qnvo6501b4c95m71f7@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:35:55 +0100, "Flower of romance"
>>>>>>  blethered:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Halla"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:lkm564p12a3b6qr08alrp3nl1e9rc9ag2c@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>I was watching that Dispatches prog about the cost of food, and the
>>>>>>>> bit about how City folk can speculate on food prices has prompted me
>>>>>>>> to come up with this proposal: Humans are too stupid to live.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'm amazed we lasted as long as we have. :) I don't think it's 
>>>>>>>stupidity
>>>>>>>though. I think people are afraid of the truth.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which is...?
>>>>>
>>>>>I should have said "truths" rather than "the truth".
>>>>
>>>> OK. What are the truths?
>>>Depends on the context but to ensure we're not at cross purposes and  I've
>>>not  misunderstood you What makes you think that people are too stupid to
>>>live?
>>
>> We bet on the price of our food. *Food*. Some folk are more concerned
>> with pushing the gold around than with ensuring there is food. And
>> most of the rest of the world lets them get on with it, or even buys
>> (ha!) into the idea that this is a good way to behave. What a
>> thoroughly stupid species. We invent all these marvellous means of
>> transport, we can communicate across an entire planet, and the best we
>> manage to do collaboratively is the stock market. Wow.
>>
>> </rantette>
>
>Very articulet

Er, thanks. Heh.

>>
>> So did you misunderstand me? What are the truths?
>
>No. I didn't misunderstand you. The truth in this concept is that people 
>live in a comfort zone and would rather live in a comfort zone 

Of course they would, it's comfortable. Whole populations do not
generally willingly trade comfort for anything. 

>where  there 
>is a corrupt system rather than daring to fix it and that goes al the way to 
>the top. 

Daring in what way though? How would you propose to 'fix it'?

>Like you said, people buy into this and why? Not because they are 
>stupid but because they don't want to know that  this system of ours is a 
>toilet of corruption. where greed and shittingon your fellow man financially 
>is actively encouraged and where people are lebelled a success because they 
>have a lot of money and despite the fact that they've probably raped mother 
>earth and thier kindred humankind to get it. Damn, man it's a fucking 
>sickness..
>

So. Humans are stupid. This is what I was saying already... 


-- 
Somebody has to take responsibility for being a leader.
Toni Morrison

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:54:42 +0100, "Jo B..."
<spirit_craft(antispam)@hotmail.com> blethered:

>
>"Halla"  wrote in message
>news:1lc964dsfjk896dlo6t5gdjq9905ige88c@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:19:45 +0100, "rhiannon s"
>>  blethered:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >"Halla"  wrote in message
>> >news:lkm564p12a3b6qr08alrp3nl1e9rc9ag2c@4ax.com...
>> >> I was watching that Dispatches prog about the cost of food, and the
>> >> bit about how City folk can speculate on food prices has prompted me
>> >> to come up with this proposal: Humans are too stupid to live.
>> >>
>> >> Thoughts?
>> >>
>> >We're also too dumb to die as well.  Bit of a conundrum really.
>>
>> Yeah. *sighs*
>
>I have dreams - evil dreams. I sometimes ruminate on the possibility of
>culling chunks of society.

<nods> 

>And before anyone gets hoity toity about "who are you to decide who gets the
>chop" its only a blimmin daydream. And besides I vote the chavs get eaten
>first, although they probably taste nasty.

Random lottery. If my number's up, tough shit to me. 

Besides, in general chavs seem happy and that has to count for a lot.
Maybe intelligent thought is not quite the bonus humans thought (ha)
it to be. 

>
>On a more reasonable note - I have at least started growing some of my own
>fud - first raspberry yesterday. 

Ooh, lovely. I like raspberries. :-) Strawbs here, in drips and drabs.
The rhubarb has gone mad, but various tomato plants are looking so-so.
There is a courgette forming on the plant though, and where there is
one courgette there are boudn to be many others soon. :-)

>Only one tho, so maybe this
>self-sufficiency lark is not gonna happen overnight... with one tiny yard...

I'm >< close to proposing a communal farm fund, I'm fed up of all this
supermarket stuff and 'thou shalt have a tiny amount of outdoors to
grow food on' attitude from housebuilders and developers. 

>and a couple fo raspberry bushes in pots..... but there are lots and lots of
>overfed chavs in my street :-D

No nutrition to them though, it'll all be fat and junk. Put them on
the barbecue and they'll be like giant sausages, lots of fat and
popping noises. 


-- 
Somebody has to take responsibility for being a leader.
Toni Morrison

On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 11:44:12 +0100, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
 blethered:

>Halla wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 18:00:03 +0100, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
>>  blethered:
>> 
>>> Halla wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:30:29 +0100, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
>>>>  blethered:
>>>>
>>>>> Jo B... wrote:
>>>> <snip>
>>>>>> On a more reasonable note - I have at least started growing some of my own
>>>>>> fud - first raspberry yesterday. Only one tho, so maybe this
>>>>>> self-sufficiency lark is not gonna happen overnight... with one tiny yard...
>>>>>> and a couple fo raspberry bushes in pots..... but there are lots and lots of
>>>>>> overfed chavs in my street :-D
>>>>> Move to the Outer Hebrides.
>>>>> Loads of wind power, cheap land.
>>>>> No people (or rather, very low pop density)
>>>> But also a severe lack of water lately, due to low rainfall.
>>> Not that bad.
>>> Annual rainfall is around 1m per year.
>>> Catch it from 100 sq m of roof and you have 2 tonnes a week to play with.
>> 
>> There's been a slight hitch in that plan on St. Kilda.
>> 
>> http://www.kilda.org.uk/frameblog.htm
>
>That's lo-tech living for you.

Indeedy. Although their interim solutions seem to be pretty high tech,
really - bottled water and paper plates, all these things take quite a
bit of processing. 

>They should try the alternative, with plenty of energy and custom 
>catchment ponds.

What's a custom catchment pond?


-- 
Somebody has to take responsibility for being a leader.
Toni Morrison

"Halla"  wrote in message 
news:s02g64907n1ntfet88va8fc57f8f1h4rqc@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:04:49 +0100, "Flower of romance"
>  blethered:
>
>>
>>"Halla"  wrote in message
>>news:klc9641hq99sjjc7h2urc9qtestpo6jg4u@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:52:45 +0100, "Flower of romance"
>>>  blethered:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Halla"  wrote in message
>>>>news:bk8864ha6i76m47ca6rlg3jek4hdcmkn4s@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:27:10 +0100, "Flower of romance"
>>>>>  blethered:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Halla"  wrote in message
>>>>>>news:6m4764pchmlvt814qnvo6501b4c95m71f7@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:35:55 +0100, "Flower of romance"
>>>>>>>  blethered:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Halla"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:lkm564p12a3b6qr08alrp3nl1e9rc9ag2c@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>I was watching that Dispatches prog about the cost of food, and the
>>>>>>>>> bit about how City folk can speculate on food prices has prompted 
>>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>> to come up with this proposal: Humans are too stupid to live.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I'm amazed we lasted as long as we have. :) I don't think it's
>>>>>>>>stupidity
>>>>>>>>though. I think people are afraid of the truth.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which is...?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I should have said "truths" rather than "the truth".
>>>>>
>>>>> OK. What are the truths?
>>>>Depends on the context but to ensure we're not at cross purposes and 
>>>>I've
>>>>not  misunderstood you What makes you think that people are too stupid 
>>>>to
>>>>live?
>>>
>>> We bet on the price of our food. *Food*. Some folk are more concerned
>>> with pushing the gold around than with ensuring there is food. And
>>> most of the rest of the world lets them get on with it, or even buys
>>> (ha!) into the idea that this is a good way to behave. What a
>>> thoroughly stupid species. We invent all these marvellous means of
>>> transport, we can communicate across an entire planet, and the best we
>>> manage to do collaboratively is the stock market. Wow.
>>>
>>> </rantette>
>>
>>Very articulet
>
> Er, thanks. Heh.
>
>>>
>>> So did you misunderstand me? What are the truths?
>>
>>No. I didn't misunderstand you. The truth in this concept is that people
>>live in a comfort zone and would rather live in a comfort zone
>
> Of course they would, it's comfortable. Whole populations do not
> generally willingly trade comfort for anything.

My point, re-iterated.
>
>>where  there
>>is a corrupt system rather than daring to fix it and that goes al the way 
>>to
>>the top.
>
> Daring in what way though? How would you propose to 'fix it'?

Well we could try for starters rather than ignoring the problem.
I have a few ideas as I expect you do but in reality, Neither of us would be 
listened to.

>
>>Like you said, people buy into this and why? Not because they are
>>stupid but because they don't want to know that  this system of ours is a
>>toilet of corruption. where greed and shittingon your fellow man 
>>financially
>>is actively encouraged and where people are lebelled a success because 
>>they
>>have a lot of money and despite the fact that they've probably raped 
>>mother
>>earth and thier kindred humankind to get it. Damn, man it's a fucking
>>sickness..
>>
>
> So. Humans are stupid. This is what I was saying already...

No. they aren't stupid. Ignorant, yes, cowardly, definately, stupid, no. If 
humans are stupid then what species are you?

>
>
> -- 
> Somebody has to take responsibility for being a leader.
> Toni Morrison

Halla wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:35:58 +0100, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
>  blethered:
> 
>> Halla wrote:
>>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 02:53:49 +0100, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
>>>  blethered:
>>>
>>>> Halla wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 19:27:10 +0100, "Flower of romance"
>>>>>  blethered:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Halla"  wrote in message 
>>>>>> news:6m4764pchmlvt814qnvo6501b4c95m71f7@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:35:55 +0100, "Flower of romance"
>>>>>>>  blethered:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Halla"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:lkm564p12a3b6qr08alrp3nl1e9rc9ag2c@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>> I was watching that Dispatches prog about the cost of food, and the
>>>>>>>>> bit about how City folk can speculate on food prices has prompted me
>>>>>>>>> to come up with this proposal: Humans are too stupid to live.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>>> I'm amazed we lasted as long as we have. :) I don't think it's stupidity
>>>>>>>> though. I think people are afraid of the truth.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which is...?
>>>>>> I should have said "truths" rather than "the truth".
>>>>> OK. What are the truths?
>>>> Statements that correspond with reality.
>>> And those statements are?
>> I was speaking generally.
>>
> 
> That's of limited use to me, I was asking for specifics.
> 
>>>> One way or another Humans will be on the way out within 50 years. What 
>>>> comes next is being decided now.
>>> By whom?
>> Engineers and scientists, for now.
> 
> Who told them they could? 

Every society on Earth.

>> By the time politicians become involved it will be a done deal.
>> The exit routes are named "genetic engineering" 
> 
> Of what? Food? Doesn't work at the moment. 

Of people.
Google "myostatin blocker" for one example about to hit the market.

>> and "artificial 
>> intelligence". Right now full neural simulations of the visual cortex 
>> are being run on supercomputers - that's 10% of the processing power of 
>> the Human brain. The aim is for a total realtime simulation by 2015.
>>
> I wonder why they'd want to do that though, apart from 'because they
> can'.

Acquisition of knowledge.
Better computing systems.
Self learning programs.
Pattern recognition for AI.
Cybernetic symbiosis with neural implants.
Finally, uploading of minds.

FFF
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
Remote Viewing classes in London

Halla wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 11:44:12 +0100, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
>  blethered:
> 
>> Halla wrote:
>>> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 18:00:03 +0100, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
>>>  blethered:
>>>
>>>> Halla wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:30:29 +0100, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
>>>>>  blethered:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jo B... wrote:
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>> On a more reasonable note - I have at least started growing some of my own
>>>>>>> fud - first raspberry yesterday. Only one tho, so maybe this
>>>>>>> self-sufficiency lark is not gonna happen overnight... with one tiny yard...
>>>>>>> and a couple fo raspberry bushes in pots..... but there are lots and lots of
>>>>>>> overfed chavs in my street :-D
>>>>>> Move to the Outer Hebrides.
>>>>>> Loads of wind power, cheap land.
>>>>>> No people (or rather, very low pop density)
>>>>> But also a severe lack of water lately, due to low rainfall.
>>>> Not that bad.
>>>> Annual rainfall is around 1m per year.
>>>> Catch it from 100 sq m of roof and you have 2 tonnes a week to play with.
>>> There's been a slight hitch in that plan on St. Kilda.
>>>
>>> http://www.kilda.org.uk/frameblog.htm
>> That's lo-tech living for you.
> 
> Indeedy. Although their interim solutions seem to be pretty high tech,
> really - bottled water and paper plates, all these things take quite a
> bit of processing. 
> 
>> They should try the alternative, with plenty of energy and custom 
>> catchment ponds.
> 
> What's a custom catchment pond?

A place where you store the rain from the whole year.
In winter use it in conjunction with a heat pump to keep the place warm.
Followed by things like UV sterilisers for drinking water.

FFF
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
Remote Viewing classes in London

"Halla"  wrote in message
news:242g649dcbn8lfrts5puel7o6pqet8kjb8@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:54:42 +0100, "Jo B..."
> <spirit_craft(antispam)@hotmail.com> blethered:
>
> >
> >"Halla"  wrote in message
> >news:1lc964dsfjk896dlo6t5gdjq9905ige88c@4ax.com...
> >> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:19:45 +0100, "rhiannon s"
> >>  blethered:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >"Halla"  wrote in message
> >> >news:lkm564p12a3b6qr08alrp3nl1e9rc9ag2c@4ax.com...
> >> >> I was watching that Dispatches prog about the cost of food, and the
> >> >> bit about how City folk can speculate on food prices has prompted me
> >> >> to come up with this proposal: Humans are too stupid to live.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thoughts?
> >> >>
> >> >We're also too dumb to die as well.  Bit of a conundrum really.
> >>
> >> Yeah. *sighs*
> >
> >I have dreams - evil dreams. I sometimes ruminate on the possibility of
> >culling chunks of society.
>
> <nods>
>
> >And before anyone gets hoity toity about "who are you to decide who gets
the
> >chop" its only a blimmin daydream. And besides I vote the chavs get eaten
> >first, although they probably taste nasty.
>
> Random lottery. If my number's up, tough shit to me.

Isn't a more traditional method a landwar in some godawful distant part of
the globe, we could just arrange aa escalating pointless bloody war in, oh
say. Iraq or Afghanistan...Oh wait.

> Besides, in general chavs seem happy and that has to count for a lot.
> Maybe intelligent thought is not quite the bonus humans thought (ha)
> it to be.

Ignorance is...?
> >
> >On a more reasonable note - I have at least started growing some of my
own
> >fud - first raspberry yesterday.
>
> Ooh, lovely. I like raspberries. :-) Strawbs here, in drips and drabs.
> The rhubarb has gone mad, but various tomato plants are looking so-so.
> There is a courgette forming on the plant though, and where there is
> one courgette there are boudn to be many others soon. :-)
>
> >Only one tho, so maybe this
> >self-sufficiency lark is not gonna happen overnight... with one tiny
yard...
>
> I'm >< close to proposing a communal farm fund, I'm fed up of all this
> supermarket stuff and 'thou shalt have a tiny amount of outdoors to
> grow food on' attitude from housebuilders and developers.
>
> >and a couple fo raspberry bushes in pots..... but there are lots and lots
of
> >overfed chavs in my street :-D
>
> No nutrition to them though, it'll all be fat and junk. Put them on
> the barbecue and they'll be like giant sausages, lots of fat and
> popping noises.
>
>


--
Rhiannon_s
I am me, this is now, we are here!

On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 01:09:50 +0100, "Flower of romance"
 blethered:

>
>"Halla"  wrote in message 
>news:s02g64907n1ntfet88va8fc57f8f1h4rqc@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:04:49 +0100, "Flower of romance"
>>  blethered:
<hack, slash>
>>>>
>>>> So did you misunderstand me? What are the truths?
>>>
>>>No. I didn't misunderstand you. The truth in this concept is that people
>>>live in a comfort zone and would rather live in a comfort zone
>>
>> Of course they would, it's comfortable. Whole populations do not
>> generally willingly trade comfort for anything.
>
>My point, re-iterated.

*sighs* Like, duh.

>>
>>>where  there
>>>is a corrupt system rather than daring to fix it and that goes al the way 
>>>to
>>>the top.
>>
>> Daring in what way though? How would you propose to 'fix it'?
>
>Well we could try for starters rather than ignoring the problem.

Try what?

>I have a few ideas as I expect you do but in reality, Neither of us would be 
>listened to.

Hmm.

>
<snip>
>>
>> So. Humans are stupid. This is what I was saying already...
>
>No. they aren't stupid. Ignorant, yes, cowardly, definately, stupid, no. If 
>humans are stupid then what species are you?

You think I wouldn't insult myself too?


-- 
Somebody has to take responsibility for being a leader.
Toni Morrison

On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:39:04 +0100, "rhiannon s"
 blethered:

>
>"Halla"  wrote in message
>news:242g649dcbn8lfrts5puel7o6pqet8kjb8@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 18:54:42 +0100, "Jo B..."
>> <spirit_craft(antispam)@hotmail.com> blethered:
>>
>> >
>> >"Halla"  wrote in message
>> >news:1lc964dsfjk896dlo6t5gdjq9905ige88c@4ax.com...
>> >> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:19:45 +0100, "rhiannon s"
>> >>  blethered:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >"Halla"  wrote in message
>> >> >news:lkm564p12a3b6qr08alrp3nl1e9rc9ag2c@4ax.com...
>> >> >> I was watching that Dispatches prog about the cost of food, and the
>> >> >> bit about how City folk can speculate on food prices has prompted me
>> >> >> to come up with this proposal: Humans are too stupid to live.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thoughts?
>> >> >>
>> >> >We're also too dumb to die as well.  Bit of a conundrum really.
>> >>
>> >> Yeah. *sighs*
>> >
>> >I have dreams - evil dreams. I sometimes ruminate on the possibility of
>> >culling chunks of society.
>>
>> <nods>
>>
>> >And before anyone gets hoity toity about "who are you to decide who gets
>the
>> >chop" its only a blimmin daydream. And besides I vote the chavs get eaten
>> >first, although they probably taste nasty.
>>
>> Random lottery. If my number's up, tough shit to me.
>
>Isn't a more traditional method a landwar in some godawful distant part of
>the globe, we could just arrange aa escalating pointless bloody war in, oh
>say. Iraq or Afghanistan...Oh wait.
>

That's not really being quick enough though, now is it? I mean, tsk.
Tut. Etcetera. Okay my brain has officially given up on me. Hrrmph.

>> Besides, in general chavs seem happy and that has to count for a lot.
>> Maybe intelligent thought is not quite the bonus humans thought (ha)
>> it to be.
>
>Ignorance is...?

Exactly.

<snip>


-- 
Somebody has to take responsibility for being a leader.
Toni Morrison

"Halla"  wrote in message 
news:jrdi649qqah3kge90pjarj030lgcfvp42m@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 01:09:50 +0100, "Flower of romance"
>  blethered:
>
>>
>>"Halla"  wrote in message
>>news:s02g64907n1ntfet88va8fc57f8f1h4rqc@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:04:49 +0100, "Flower of romance"
>>>  blethered:
> <hack, slash>
>>>>>
>>>>> So did you misunderstand me? What are the truths?
>>>>
>>>>No. I didn't misunderstand you. The truth in this concept is that people
>>>>live in a comfort zone and would rather live in a comfort zone
>>>
>>> Of course they would, it's comfortable. Whole populations do not
>>> generally willingly trade comfort for anything.
>>
>>My point, re-iterated.
>
> *sighs* Like, duh.

Again, like my point re-iterated.
>
>>>
>>>>where  there
>>>>is a corrupt system rather than daring to fix it and that goes al the 
>>>>way
>>>>to
>>>>the top.
>>>
>>> Daring in what way though? How would you propose to 'fix it'?
>>
>>Well we could try for starters rather than ignoring the problem.
>
> Try what?

Fixing the problems.
>
>>I have a few ideas as I expect you do but in reality, Neither of us would 
>>be
>>listened to.
>
> Hmm.

Hmm indeed. Here's another Hmm. For you.Am I right in thinking that a long 
time ago you came to the conclusion that our species is generally crap at 
being a species, working together, living together etc etc but when you came 
to this conclusion, when other people came to the same conclusion than 
rather than be happy that others have comprehended what we're really and be 
happy that you are not alone, are you threatened that other people see it so 
you attempt to ridicule them? Is that what's going on here. Are you so 
insecure you can't stand that people finally get what a load of crap we are? 
Am I on the ball here?
>
>>
> <snip>
>>>
>>> So. Humans are stupid. This is what I was saying already...
>>
>>No. they aren't stupid. Ignorant, yes, cowardly, definately, stupid, no. 
>>If
>>humans are stupid then what species are you?
>
> You think I wouldn't insult myself too?

Insults are untrue, that's why they're insults.
>
>
> -- 
> Somebody has to take responsibility for being a leader.
> Toni Morrison

Jo B... wrote:

> besides I vote the chavs get eaten first

Please don't, they're the only dealers I've got around here.

:s

--
trin

rhiannon s wrote:

> Ignorance is...?

...no excuse in law. :)

--
trin

Flower of romance wrote:

> Am I on the ball here?
...
> Insults are untrue, that's why they're insults.

You're not very good at this whole English comprehension/writing lark,
is yer.

--
trin

"trin"  wrote in message 
news:0cf0c669-b705-4961-b032-c3f814645b9b@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> Flower of romance wrote:
>
>> Am I on the ball here?
> ...
>> Insults are untrue, that's why they're insults.
>
> You're not very good at this whole English comprehension/writing lark,
> is yer.

Yes.

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:04:49 +0100, "Flower of romance"
 wrote:

>The truth in this concept is that people 
>live in a comfort zone and would rather live in a comfort zone where  there 
>is a corrupt system rather than daring to fix it 

Yes.

<pulls comfort zone tighter around her>
-- 
Lady Nina

"Lady Nina"  wrote in message 
news:or13749hvucq0hq30mln85c1le2v44am22@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:04:49 +0100, "Flower of romance"
>  wrote:
>
>>The truth in this concept is that people
>>live in a comfort zone and would rather live in a comfort zone where 
>>there
>>is a corrupt system rather than daring to fix it
>
> Yes.
>
> <pulls comfort zone tighter around her>

LOL
I rest my case. :)

On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 12:09:04 +0100, "Flower of romance"
 wrote:

>"Lady Nina"  wrote in message 
>news:or13749hvucq0hq30mln85c1le2v44am22@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:04:49 +0100, "Flower of romance"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>The truth in this concept is that people
>>>live in a comfort zone and would rather live in a comfort zone where 
>>>there
>>>is a corrupt system rather than daring to fix it
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> <pulls comfort zone tighter around her>
>
>LOL
>I rest my case. :)

You never made one.
-- 
Lady Nina
"I'm sorry I can't join in anymore, I've been let down too many times
before"

"Lady Nina"  wrote in message 
news:6sl4749mo6otnlbag2m2tgtmpmc6o5s04e@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 12:09:04 +0100, "Flower of romance"
>  wrote:
>
>>"Lady Nina"  wrote in message
>>news:or13749hvucq0hq30mln85c1le2v44am22@4ax.com...
>>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:04:49 +0100, "Flower of romance"
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>>The truth in this concept is that people
>>>>live in a comfort zone and would rather live in a comfort zone where
>>>>there
>>>>is a corrupt system rather than daring to fix it
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>> <pulls comfort zone tighter around her>
>>
>>LOL
>>I rest my case. :)
>
> You never made one.

Yes I did.

> -- 
> Lady Nina
> "I'm sorry I can't join in anymore, I've been let down too many times
> before"