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Tony Blair's conversion and subsequent move to the US to open his own
faith thing - opinions?


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Halla wrote:

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7426647.stm
>
> Tony Blair's conversion and subsequent move to the US to open his own
> faith thing - opinions?

Fair play to him. The idea of getting faiths to work together's not a
bad thing, just as long as he remembers that it's not just the 'Big 6'
that exist, and that people like wot live in this place aren't demons
and crap like that.

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trin

On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 15:43:15 -0700 (PDT), trin
 blethered:

>Halla wrote:
>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7426647.stm
>>
>> Tony Blair's conversion and subsequent move to the US to open his own
>> faith thing - opinions?
>
>Fair play to him. 

I'm inclined to say 'No' to that one. <g>

>The idea of getting faiths to work together's not a
>bad thing, 

Well yes but he's hardly the first person to think that - why doesn't
he volunteer his time to an existing project instead of starting a new
one? 

>just as long as he remembers that it's not just the 'Big 6'
>that exist, and that people like wot live in this place aren't demons
>and crap like that.

For some reason I'd expect him to be more tolerant of the ineffable
now. <g>


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In message , Halla 
 writes
>For some reason I'd expect him to be more tolerant of the ineffable 
>now. <g>

The man has chosen the Roman Catholic path. This is incompatible with 
toleration of other faiths.
-- 
francis cameron

"francis cameron"  wrote in message 
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> In message , Halla 
>  writes
>>For some reason I'd expect him to be more tolerant of the ineffable now. 
>><g>
>
> The man has chosen the Roman Catholic path. This is incompatible with 
> toleration of other faiths.

Christianity is perfectly capable of *tolerating* other faiths, and the RCC 
is rather better at it than other denominations. I doubt that Mr Blair has 
any interest in thinking outside the box, though; all the Big 6 have a 
strong political element, and I suspect that's his motivation for choosing 
the one which best serves his personal interests.

(Well, that and the fact that his mother wasn't Jewish, so that's out ;)

Jani

On 2008-06-06, Halla  wrote:

> Tony Blair's  conversion and subsequent move  to the US  to open his
> own faith thing - opinions?

You're *really* keen to see me rant, aren't you?  :-)

Cheers, 

Jeremy Henty 
--
 ... all the  world's major problems can be  solved with either oyster
sauce or backing vocals.
 -- Brian Eno

On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 07:52:13 +0100, francis cameron
 blethered:

>In message , Halla 
> writes
>>For some reason I'd expect him to be more tolerant of the ineffable 
>>now. <g>
>
>The man has chosen the Roman Catholic path. This is incompatible with 
>toleration of other faiths.

You appear to be displaying your own intolerance here.


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On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 17:52:06 +0100, "Jani" 
blethered:

>
>"francis cameron"  wrote in message 
>news:8$FjPICdAjSIFw+b@topdeck.demon.co.uk...
>> In message , Halla 
>>  writes
>>>For some reason I'd expect him to be more tolerant of the ineffable now. 
>>><g>
>>
>> The man has chosen the Roman Catholic path. This is incompatible with 
>> toleration of other faiths.
>
>Christianity is perfectly capable of *tolerating* other faiths, and the RCC 
>is rather better at it than other denominations. I doubt that Mr Blair has 
>any interest in thinking outside the box, though; all the Big 6 have a 
>strong political element, and I suspect that's his motivation for choosing 
>the one which best serves his personal interests.

I dunno. I keep thinking that he is expecting to get quite chummy with
the Pope and all, and that the Pope is sitting going 'Tony who?' I
don't know what to make of it all, at all. Apart from having an
opinion that he wants his name to live on after him on this
foundation, that is. Isn't going to be remembered as a great Prime
Minister, has to do something different.

>
>(Well, that and the fact that his mother wasn't Jewish, so that's out ;)

That's not a complete hindrance, is it? 


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On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 23:12:57 -0500, Jeremy Henty
 blethered:

>On 2008-06-06, Halla  wrote:
>
>> Tony Blair's  conversion and subsequent move  to the US  to open his
>> own faith thing - opinions?
>
>You're *really* keen to see me rant, aren't you?  :-)

<ponders> Yeah. Go on then. <g> 

>--
> ... all the  world's major problems can be  solved with either oyster
>sauce or backing vocals.
> -- Brian Eno 

Or more cowbell.


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On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 17:00:34 +0100, Halla
 wrote:

>On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 07:52:13 +0100, francis cameron
> blethered:
>
>>In message , Halla 
>> writes
>>>For some reason I'd expect him to be more tolerant of the ineffable 
>>>now. <g>
>>
>>The man has chosen the Roman Catholic path. This is incompatible with 
>>toleration of other faiths.
>
>You appear to be displaying your own intolerance here.

What, Francis is?  He's simply pointing out that official Roman
Catholic doctrine regards all other faiths as invalid.  As far as I
know, that's still true, but maybe janet will be along in a moment to
tell us it's changed.

Then again, quite a few Roman Catholics disagree with the official
line.  But then again again, might T. Blair not be subject to some
ticking-off by his new-found spiritual leader if he so publically and
internationally tries to get the faiths all tolerating, indeed
embracing, each other?

In practice, of course, Rome can't afford not to talk to the others,
whatever the official position.

Why am I even considerng this topic?  My contempt for Blair is such
that I'm likely to think badly of any cause or institution he's
associated with.  I suspect I'm not the only one.

-- 

Katy Jennison

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"Halla"  wrote in message 
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> On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 17:52:06 +0100, "Jani" 
> blethered:
>
>>
>>"francis cameron"  wrote in message
>>news:8$FjPICdAjSIFw+b@topdeck.demon.co.uk...
>>> In message , Halla
>>>  writes
>>>>For some reason I'd expect him to be more tolerant of the ineffable now.
>>>><g>
>>>
>>> The man has chosen the Roman Catholic path. This is incompatible with
>>> toleration of other faiths.
>>
>>Christianity is perfectly capable of *tolerating* other faiths, and the 
>>RCC
>>is rather better at it than other denominations. I doubt that Mr Blair has
>>any interest in thinking outside the box, though; all the Big 6 have a
>>strong political element, and I suspect that's his motivation for choosing
>>the one which best serves his personal interests.
>
> I dunno. I keep thinking that he is expecting to get quite chummy with
> the Pope and all, and that the Pope is sitting going 'Tony who?'

Heh, well, yeah.

>>(Well, that and the fact that his mother wasn't Jewish, so that's out ;)
>
> That's not a complete hindrance, is it?

It'd be a hindrance if he chose Judaism. Not a total barrier, sure, but 
Christianity evangelises for converts, whereas Judaism doesn't.

Jani

"Wood Avens"  wrote in message 
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> On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 17:00:34 +0100, Halla
>  wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 07:52:13 +0100, francis cameron
>> blethered:
>>
>>>In message , Halla
>>> writes
>>>>For some reason I'd expect him to be more tolerant of the ineffable
>>>>now. <g>
>>>
>>>The man has chosen the Roman Catholic path. This is incompatible with
>>>toleration of other faiths.
>>
>>You appear to be displaying your own intolerance here.
>
> What, Francis is?  He's simply pointing out that official Roman
> Catholic doctrine regards all other faiths as invalid.  As far as I
> know, that's still true, but maybe janet will be along in a moment to
> tell us it's changed.

I am not janet (obviously ;) but as I understand it, the RCC position is 
that other faiths are valid but 'incomplete'.

> Then again, quite a few Roman Catholics disagree with the official
> line.  But then again again, might T. Blair not be subject to some
> ticking-off by his new-found spiritual leader if he so publically and
> internationally tries to get the faiths all tolerating, indeed
> embracing, each other?

If he's calling for interfaith dialogue, that's in line with official policy 
as far as I know.
>
> In practice, of course, Rome can't afford not to talk to the others,
> whatever the official position.
>
> Why am I even considerng this topic?  My contempt for Blair is such
> that I'm likely to think badly of any cause or institution he's
> associated with.  I suspect I'm not the only one.

I'd have been more impressed with him if he'd converted when he wanted to, 
rather than when he thought it was politically expedient. Of course, that 
might have been coincidence, and my cynicism misplaced.

Jani

On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 18:48:04 +0100, "Jani" 
wrote:

>
>If he's calling for interfaith dialogue, that's in line with official policy 
>as far as I know.
>>

Isn't it from assumed position of "we're more right than you", though,
rather than from a position of different-but-equal?  I'd be very glad
to be wrong.

-- 

Wood Avens

"Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth
should that mean that it is not real?"

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On 2008-06-08, Wood Avens  wrote:

> My contempt for Blair is such  that I'm likely to think badly of any
> cause or  institution he's associated  with.  I suspect I'm  not the
> only one.

/me raises hand.  Indeed you are not.

Regards, 

Jeremy Henty

On 2008-06-08, Jeremy Henty  wrote:
> On 2008-06-08, Wood Avens  wrote:
>
>> My contempt for Blair is such  that I'm likely to think badly of any
>> cause or  institution he's associated  with.  I suspect I'm  not the
>> only one.
>
> /me raises hand.  Indeed you are not.

Following  up  to myself...   I'll  backtrack  a  little.  I  wouldn't
necessarily suspect an institution just because Blair was *associated*
with it.   After all, even the finest  shoes can pick up  shit off the
pavement.[1] However I think Blair is be a narcissist whose "faith" is
just a  proxy for his need  to be told  how righteous he and  his kind
are, and  I would  expect any  organisation that he  *ran* to  be just
another vehicle for his  self-aggrandisement.  If such an organisation
did any good it would be in spite of its leaders, not because of them.

Mind you, I've come to the  conclusion that *no* society does any good
*except* in spite of its leaders,  and the great (and only) good thing
about democracy  is precisely  that it enables  people to  spite their
leaders.

    Democracy: telling  the powerful  to sit and  spin on  this finger
    since, well, tomorrow (with any luck).

Rant enough for you, Halla?  :-)

Regards, 

Jeremy Henty 

[1] Yes, I *am* proud of that metaphor.  Does it show?

"Halla"  wrote in message
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> On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 23:12:57 -0500, Jeremy Henty
>  blethered:
>
> >On 2008-06-06, Halla  wrote:
> >
> >> Tony Blair's  conversion and subsequent move  to the US  to open his
> >> own faith thing - opinions?
> >
> >You're *really* keen to see me rant, aren't you?  :-)
>
> <ponders> Yeah. Go on then. <g>
>
> >--
> > ... all the  world's major problems can be  solved with either oyster
> >sauce or backing vocals.
> > -- Brian Eno
>
> Or more cowbell.

*Splutter*
Fortunately for my keyboard I had already finished my cup of tea.
I am SO going to buy a cowbell!! No gig is complete without one.

Jo

>
>
> -- 
> First they came for the verbs, and I said nothing because verbing weirds
> language.
> Then they arrival for the nouns, and I speech nothing because I no verbs.

On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 17:50:50 +0100, Wood Avens
 blethered:

>On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 17:00:34 +0100, Halla
> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 07:52:13 +0100, francis cameron
>> blethered:
>>
>>>In message , Halla 
>>> writes
>>>>For some reason I'd expect him to be more tolerant of the ineffable 
>>>>now. <g>
>>>
>>>The man has chosen the Roman Catholic path. This is incompatible with 
>>>toleration of other faiths.
>>
>>You appear to be displaying your own intolerance here.
>
>What, Francis is?  He's simply pointing out that official Roman
>Catholic doctrine regards all other faiths as invalid.  

It was rather a bald statement in that case. 

>As far as I
>know, that's still true, but maybe janet will be along in a moment to
>tell us it's changed.

Well, there's official party line and there's how an individual
behaves - I admit that my own bias would lead me to believe that Tony
Blair is not compatible with religious tolerance but that's nothing to
do with his chosen church. 

>
>Then again, quite a few Roman Catholics disagree with the official
>line.  But then again again, might T. Blair not be subject to some
>ticking-off by his new-found spiritual leader if he so publically and
>internationally tries to get the faiths all tolerating, indeed
>embracing, each other?

If it bothers them, then yes. I don't recall any news about the
Vatican disapproving. 

>
>In practice, of course, Rome can't afford not to talk to the others,
>whatever the official position.
>
>Why am I even considerng this topic?  My contempt for Blair is such
>that I'm likely to think badly of any cause or institution he's
>associated with.  I suspect I'm not the only one.

What can I say. Me too. I was wondering though if this sort of work
changed anyone's opinion for the better, even in a 'well let's see
what he does now' sort of way.


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In message , Halla 
 writes
>On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 07:52:13 +0100, francis cameron
> blethered:
>
>>In message , Halla
>> writes
>>>For some reason I'd expect him to be more tolerant of the ineffable
>>>now. <g>
>>
>>The man has chosen the Roman Catholic path. This is incompatible with
>>toleration of other faiths.
>
>You appear to be displaying your own intolerance here.
>
Not at all. Mine is an objective comment. Before Vatican II, the 
literature of Roman Christianity made it quite clear there was only one 
true faith and that was the Roman Catholic faith. Anything else was a 
false religion. The situation was radically changed by Vatican II but 
the former ways have gradually been creeping back. Rome 'recognises' 
that there are other religions. Rome accepts that they are there. But 
that does not mean that Rome 'tolerates' them.

HTH

-- 
francis cameron

On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 18:48:04 +0100, "Jani" 
blethered:

>
>"Wood Avens"  wrote in message 
>news:8t2o44tc24pfrulmoqaqms4ght55jjbckh@4ax.com...
[Blair converts]
>> Why am I even considerng this topic?  My contempt for Blair is such
>> that I'm likely to think badly of any cause or institution he's
>> associated with.  I suspect I'm not the only one.
>
>I'd have been more impressed with him if he'd converted when he wanted to, 
>rather than when he thought it was politically expedient. 

It's the speed of his conversion - is this more important to him than
his role as prime minister was? In which case why didn't he shove off
and convert sooner?

>Of course, that 
>might have been coincidence, and my cynicism misplaced.

Me too. <g>


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On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 09:48:41 +0100, francis cameron
 blethered:

>In message , Halla 
> writes
>>On Sat, 7 Jun 2008 07:52:13 +0100, francis cameron
>> blethered:
>>
>>>In message , Halla
>>> writes
>>>>For some reason I'd expect him to be more tolerant of the ineffable
>>>>now. <g>
>>>
>>>The man has chosen the Roman Catholic path. This is incompatible with
>>>toleration of other faiths.
>>
>>You appear to be displaying your own intolerance here.
>>
>Not at all. Mine is an objective comment. Before Vatican II, the 
>literature of Roman Christianity made it quite clear there was only one 
>true faith and that was the Roman Catholic faith. Anything else was a 
>false religion. The situation was radically changed by Vatican II but 
>the former ways have gradually been creeping back. Rome 'recognises' 
>that there are other religions. Rome accepts that they are there. But 
>that does not mean that Rome 'tolerates' them.
>
>HTH

It does rather, thank you.


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francis cameron wrote:
> Halla writes
> > francis cameron blethered:
> >> Halla writes

> >>>For some reason I'd expect him to be more tolerant of the ineffable
> >>>now. <g>
>
> >>The man has chosen the Roman Catholic path. This is incompatible with
> >>toleration of other faiths.
>
> >You appear to be displaying your own intolerance here.
>
> Not at all.
...
> Rome 'recognises' that there are other religions. Rome accepts that they are
> there. But that does not mean that Rome 'tolerates' them.

What's the difference?

--
trin

On Mon, 9 Jun 2008 15:44:51 -0700 (PDT), trin
 blethered:

>francis cameron wrote:
>> Halla writes
>> > francis cameron blethered:
>> >> Halla writes
>
>> >>>For some reason I'd expect him to be more tolerant of the ineffable
>> >>>now. <g>
>>
>> >>The man has chosen the Roman Catholic path. This is incompatible with
>> >>toleration of other faiths.
>>
>> >You appear to be displaying your own intolerance here.
>>
>> Not at all.
>...
>> Rome 'recognises' that there are other religions. Rome accepts that they are
>> there. But that does not mean that Rome 'tolerates' them.
>
>What's the difference?

It treats them like fleas? Or ants? Yeah, they're there, but that
doesn't mean I have to like the fact. ;-)


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Halla wrote:
> trin blethered:
> >francis cameron wrote:

> >> Rome 'recognises' that there are other religions. Rome accepts that they are
> >> there. But that does not mean that Rome 'tolerates' them.
>
> >What's the difference?
>
> It treats them like fleas? Or ants? Yeah, they're there, but that
> doesn't mean I have to like the fact. ;-)

Aaaah. Nice clarification, thank you. <g>

--
trin

On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:53:29 -0700 (PDT), trin
 blethered:

>Halla wrote:
>> trin blethered:
>> >francis cameron wrote:
>
>> >> Rome 'recognises' that there are other religions. Rome accepts that they are
>> >> there. But that does not mean that Rome 'tolerates' them.
>>
>> >What's the difference?
>>
>> It treats them like fleas? Or ants? Yeah, they're there, but that
>> doesn't mean I have to like the fact. ;-)
>
>Aaaah. Nice clarification, thank you. <g>

No, thank you - you made me stop and think about it. I don't know if
that's right, anyway. 


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On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 17:39:58 -0500, Jeremy Henty
 blethered:

>On 2008-06-08, Jeremy Henty  wrote:
>> On 2008-06-08, Wood Avens  wrote:
>>
>>> My contempt for Blair is such  that I'm likely to think badly of any
>>> cause or  institution he's associated  with.  I suspect I'm  not the
>>> only one.
>>
>> /me raises hand.  Indeed you are not.
>
>Following  up  to myself...   I'll  backtrack  a  little.  I  wouldn't
>necessarily suspect an institution just because Blair was *associated*
>with it.   

I'd feel sorry for the institution concerned though. ;-)

>After all, even the finest  shoes can pick up  shit off the
>pavement.[1] 

<g>

>However I think Blair is be a narcissist whose "faith" is
>just a  proxy for his need  to be told  how righteous he and  his kind
>are, 

And how much he has sacrificed for his faith/to keep his job.

>and  I would  expect any  organisation that he  *ran* to  be just
>another vehicle for his  self-aggrandisement.  If such an organisation
>did any good it would be in spite of its leaders, not because of them.

Depends if he got to pick the leaders and if the leaders listened
closely to his wishes, surely? <eg>

>
>Mind you, I've come to the  conclusion that *no* society does any good
>*except* in spite of its leaders,  and the great (and only) good thing
>about democracy  is precisely  that it enables  people to  spite their
>leaders.

It does? How? :-)

>
>    Democracy: telling  the powerful  to sit and  spin on  this finger
>    since, well, tomorrow (with any luck).
>
>Rant enough for you, Halla?  :-)

<holds up score card> '8.0 8.0 8.0 7.5 8.0 and that's a harsh score
from the Russian judge...' ;-)

>
>Regards, 
>
>Jeremy Henty 
>
>[1] Yes, I *am* proud of that metaphor.  Does it show?

Does *now*, yes. :-)


-- 
"...responsibility and delight can co-exist..."
 -Philip Pullman

Halla wrote:
> trin blethered:
> >Halla wrote:
> >> trin blethered:
> >> >francis cameron wrote:

> >> >> Rome 'recognises' that there are other religions. Rome accepts that they are
> >> >> there. But that does not mean that Rome 'tolerates' them.
>
> >> >What's the difference?
>
> >> It treats them like fleas? Or ants? Yeah, they're there, but that
> >> doesn't mean I have to like the fact. ;-)
>
> >Aaaah. Nice clarification, thank you. <g>
>
> No, thank you - you made me stop and think about it. I don't know if
> that's right, anyway.

I'll wait and see what Francis or anyone comes in with, but it 'feels'
like it should be the right answer.

--
trin

"Wood Avens"  wrote in message 
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> On Sun, 8 Jun 2008 18:48:04 +0100, "Jani" 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>If he's calling for interfaith dialogue, that's in line with official 
>>policy
>>as far as I know.
>>>
>
> Isn't it from assumed position of "we're more right than you", though,
> rather than from a position of different-but-equal?  I'd be very glad
> to be wrong.

As I understand it, the line is that all faiths have some comprehension of 
'the truth', and therefore deserve respect. Other faiths are expected to 
realise, with greater understanding and knowledge, that christianity is 
indeed the OTW, but there is no justification for 'forced conversion', or 
for treating other theists with intolerance. Mind you, how the current pope 
interprets this, given his unfortunate remarks about paganism, is another 
matter.

Jani

"trin"  wrote in message 
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> Halla wrote:
>> trin blethered:
>> >Halla wrote:
>> >> trin blethered:
>> >> >francis cameron wrote:
>
>> >> >> Rome 'recognises' that there are other religions. Rome accepts that 
>> >> >> they are
>> >> >> there. But that does not mean that Rome 'tolerates' them.
>>
>> >> >What's the difference?
>>
>> >> It treats them like fleas? Or ants? Yeah, they're there, but that
>> >> doesn't mean I have to like the fact. ;-)
>>
>> >Aaaah. Nice clarification, thank you. <g>
>>
>> No, thank you - you made me stop and think about it. I don't know if
>> that's right, anyway.
>
> I'll wait and see what Francis or anyone comes in with, but it 'feels'
> like it should be the right answer.

I think it comes down to, if you're absolutely certain you're right, all you 
have to do is wait until everyone realises you're right, as well. The more 
secure anyone is in their faith, the less they have to go round doing a 1984 
on the rest of the population.

Jani

Late reply, sorry;

On 2008-06-10, Halla  wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 17:39:58 -0500, Jeremy Henty
> blethered:

>>... the  great (and  only) good thing  about democracy  is precisely
>>that it enables people to spite their leaders.
>
> It does? How? :-)

Well, we  do get to vote  them out once  in a while.  In  other words,
governments are like turds: they are  a necessary part of life but you
really  must  be  sure to  flush  them  round  the U-bend  at  regular
intervals.

>>Rant enough for you, Halla?  :-)
>
><holds up score card> '8.0 8.0 8.0 7.5 8.0 and that's a harsh score
> from the Russian judge...' ;-)

It's ok,  just as  long as I  don't have  to get interviewed  by David
****ing Vine (showing my age, I know).  :-)

Regards, 

Jeremy Henty

On Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:04:06 -0500, Jeremy Henty
 blethered:

>Late reply, sorry;
>
>On 2008-06-10, Halla  wrote:
>> On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 17:39:58 -0500, Jeremy Henty
>> blethered:
>
>>>... the  great (and  only) good thing  about democracy  is precisely
>>>that it enables people to spite their leaders.
>>
>> It does? How? :-)
>
>Well, we  do get to vote  them out once  in a while.  In  other words,
>governments are like turds: they are  a necessary part of life but you
>really  must  be  sure to  flush  them  round  the U-bend  at  regular
>intervals.
>

You appear to be rather concerned with potty behaviours. This is
worrying. ;-)

'We' do, but it doesn't generally go as 'we' would like, so is that
still OK as a system of government?

>>>Rant enough for you, Halla?  :-)
>>
>><holds up score card> '8.0 8.0 8.0 7.5 8.0 and that's a harsh score
>> from the Russian judge...' ;-)
>
>It's ok,  just as  long as I  don't have  to get interviewed  by David
>****ing Vine (showing my age, I know).  :-)

Heh. :-)


-- 
"...responsibility and delight can co-exist..."
 -Philip Pullman

Halla wrote:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7426647.stm
> 
> Tony Blair's conversion and subsequent move to the US to open his own
> faith thing - opinions?

A bit late but...
He's more stupid than I gave him credit for.
His arrogance is about what I estimated.

FFF
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
Remote Viewing classes in London

"Dirk Bruere at NeoPax"  wrote in message 
news:6cti0lF3i99cbU1@mid.individual.net...
> Halla wrote:
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7426647.stm
>>
>> Tony Blair's conversion and subsequent move to the US to open his own
>> faith thing - opinions?
>
> A bit late but...
> He's more stupid than I gave him credit for.

I think he's more stupid than anyone gave him credit for.

> His arrogance is about what I estimated.

When he's not Bush's puppet, arrogance is his first name.
>
> FFF
> Dirk
>
> http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
> Remote Viewing classes in London

On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 03:10:33 +0100, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
 blethered:

>Halla wrote:
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7426647.stm
>> 
>> Tony Blair's conversion and subsequent move to the US to open his own
>> faith thing - opinions?
>
>A bit late but...
>He's more stupid than I gave him credit for.
>His arrogance is about what I estimated.

Seems a succinct assessment.


-- 
Somebody has to take responsibility for being a leader.
Toni Morrison

Halla wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 03:10:33 +0100, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
>  blethered:
> 
>> Halla wrote:
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7426647.stm
>>>
>>> Tony Blair's conversion and subsequent move to the US to open his own
>>> faith thing - opinions?
>> A bit late but...
>> He's more stupid than I gave him credit for.
>> His arrogance is about what I estimated.
> 
> Seems a succinct assessment.

He seems to have a saviour complex.
First bringing peace to the Middle East, now uniting religions.
Always moving on just before the shit hits the fan.

FFF
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
Remote Viewing classes in London

On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 02:58:17 +0100, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
 blethered:

>Halla wrote:
>> On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 03:10:33 +0100, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
>>  blethered:
>> 
>>> Halla wrote:
>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7426647.stm
>>>>
>>>> Tony Blair's conversion and subsequent move to the US to open his own
>>>> faith thing - opinions?
>>> A bit late but...
>>> He's more stupid than I gave him credit for.
>>> His arrogance is about what I estimated.
>> 
>> Seems a succinct assessment.
>
>He seems to have a saviour complex.
>First bringing peace to the Middle East, now uniting religions.
>Always moving on just before the shit hits the fan.

Ah, but of course it only hits the fan *because* he's moved on,
obviously it was his interference, er, assistance, which was stopping
said shit/fan interface the first place...


-- 
Somebody has to take responsibility for being a leader.
Toni Morrison