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date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:21:50 GMT,    group: uk.religion.pagan        back       
Problems with posts   
Anyone else having vanishing posts issues? I know I am evil for using
outlook but I like to view my groups in the way outlook presents them. I
find the Google site to be a bit weird to find my way around. Is outlook to
blame or is it Virgin media?

Jo
date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:21:50 GMT   author:   Jo B

Re: Problems with posts   
On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:21:50 GMT, Jo B wrote:

> Anyone else having vanishing posts issues? I know I am evil for
> using outlook but I like to view my groups in the way outlook
> presents them. I find the Google site to be a bit weird to find my
> way around. Is outlook to blame or is it Virgin media?
> 
> Jo
> 
> 
> 

My server shows one post on Monday and none between then and the 
previous wednesday (16th Jan).

-- 
http://www.rexx.co.uk
To email me, visit the site.

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date: 22 Jan 2008 15:55:08 GMT   author:   Rexx Magnus

Re: Problems with posts   
"Jo B"  wrote in message 
news:ydllj.16876$g%2.6798@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
> Anyone else having vanishing posts issues? I know I am evil for using
> outlook but I like to view my groups in the way outlook presents them. I
> find the Google site to be a bit weird to find my way around. Is outlook 
> to
> blame or is it Virgin media?

Might well be Virgin in that case, I'm with them too and have seen very few 
posts over the last week or so

gwyn eich byd

Ffred


-- 
O Benryn wleth hyd Luch Reon
Cymru yn unfryd gerhyd Wrion
Gwret dy Cymry yghymeiri
date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:34:20 GMT   author:   Ffred Clegg

Re: Problems with posts   
On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:21:50 GMT, "Jo B"
 blethered:

>Anyone else having vanishing posts issues? I know I am evil for using
>outlook but I like to view my groups in the way outlook presents them. I
>find the Google site to be a bit weird to find my way around. Is outlook to
>blame or is it Virgin media?

I seem to remember something about Virgin (since it's now
NTL-infested) being a bit poo recently. <:-/ There must be a
reasonable alternative about.
 

-- 
"I can still see her face at thirty.
When will I be most myself?
I thought I'd always be their child.
In my sleep it's never winter."
date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:49:18 +0000   author:   Halla

Re: Problems with posts   
"Halla"  wrote in message
news:560dp3hijguei804bis0vch4am8orr3qq7@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:21:50 GMT, "Jo B"
>  blethered:
>
> >Anyone else having vanishing posts issues? I know I am evil for using
> >outlook but I like to view my groups in the way outlook presents them. I
> >find the Google site to be a bit weird to find my way around. Is outlook
to
> >blame or is it Virgin media?
>
> I seem to remember something about Virgin (since it's now
> NTL-infested) being a bit poo recently. <:-/ There must be a
> reasonable alternative about.
>
>

Ta for the replies peoples - I was thinking I had turned into a ghost or
something.
Must be Virgin playing silly beggars - I had far less bother when it was NTL
funnily enough.

Did you get my post on the Bokashi composter? It vanished from my posts.

Jo
date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:31:28 GMT   author:   Jo B

Re: Problems with posts   
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:31:28 GMT, Jo B wrote:

> 
> "Halla"  wrote in message
> news:560dp3hijguei804bis0vch4am8orr3qq7@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:21:50 GMT, "Jo B"
>>  blethered:
>>
>> >Anyone else having vanishing posts issues? I know I am evil for
>> >using outlook but I like to view my groups in the way outlook
>> >presents them. I find the Google site to be a bit weird to find
>> >my way around. Is outlook 
> to
>> >blame or is it Virgin media?
>>
>> I seem to remember something about Virgin (since it's now
>> NTL-infested) being a bit poo recently. <:-/ There must be a
>> reasonable alternative about.
>>
>>
> 
> Ta for the replies peoples - I was thinking I had turned into a
> ghost or something.
> Must be Virgin playing silly beggars - I had far less bother when
> it was NTL funnily enough.
> 
> Did you get my post on the Bokashi composter? It vanished from my
> posts. 
> 
> Jo
> 
> 
> 

Yes, that one appeared.

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date: 23 Jan 2008 09:39:10 GMT   author:   Rexx Magnus

Re: Problems with posts   
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 01:31:28 GMT, "Jo B"
 blethered:

>
>"Halla"  wrote in message
>news:560dp3hijguei804bis0vch4am8orr3qq7@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 12:21:50 GMT, "Jo B"
>>  blethered:
>>
>> >Anyone else having vanishing posts issues? I know I am evil for using
>> >outlook but I like to view my groups in the way outlook presents them. I
>> >find the Google site to be a bit weird to find my way around. Is outlook
>to
>> >blame or is it Virgin media?
>>
>> I seem to remember something about Virgin (since it's now
>> NTL-infested) being a bit poo recently. <:-/ There must be a
>> reasonable alternative about.
>>
>>
>
>Ta for the replies peoples - I was thinking I had turned into a ghost or
>something.
>Must be Virgin playing silly beggars - I had far less bother when it was NTL
>funnily enough.

I had no hassle with Virgin when it was Virgin - the combination seems
to be the bad thing. :-(

>
>Did you get my post on the Bokashi composter? It vanished from my posts.

Got it here, still to read it mind you. :-)


-- 
"I can still see her face at thirty.
When will I be most myself?
I thought I'd always be their child.
In my sleep it's never winter."
date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:30:47 +0000   author:   Halla

Re: Problems with posts   
Hi Jo,

  I am relatively new here (been lurking for a few months after finally 
figuring out how to get O.E (Outlook Express)to show news groups) but most 
of your posts (that weren't here a couple of weeks ago have magickly 
appeared, so hopefully Virgin has sorted out their probs (nothing wrong with 
using outlook (at least it is easie to block flamewars (when they become to 
boring))

  Roy
  "Jo B"  wrote in message 
news:ydllj.16876$g%2.6798@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net...
  > Anyone else having vanishing posts issues? I know I am evil for using
  > outlook but I like to view my groups in the way outlook presents them. I
  > find the Google site to be a bit weird to find my way around. Is outlook 
to
  > blame or is it Virgin media?
  >
  > Jo
  >
  >
date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:27:11 GMT   author:   Royden

Re: Problems with posts   
[snippy snip]
> >
> >Did you get my post on the Bokashi composter? It vanished from my posts.
>
> Got it here, still to read it mind you. :-)

Oh jolly good :-D
I'm currently in the process of building my own wormery to see if the
Bokashi contents will go on that. Its all go here! Plus I have yet to get
any client hours for my counselling placement. Aaaand, I'm hoping to get a 9
week old kitten on Monday next week. Can you imagine the chaos?

Jo
date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:34:06 GMT   author:   Jo B

Re: Problems with posts   
On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:27:11 GMT, "Royden"
 blethered:

>  Hi Jo,
>
>  I am relatively new here (been lurking for a few months after finally 
>figuring out how to get O.E (Outlook Express)to show news groups)

Hello.

> but most 
>of your posts (that weren't here a couple of weeks ago have magickly 
>appeared, so hopefully Virgin has sorted out their probs (nothing wrong with 
>using outlook (at least it is easie to block flamewars (when they become to 
>boring))

Unfortunately though with OE it is not as easy to remember to post
underneath the text you're responding to. :-) It's a local convention
to do so though, so if you wouldn't mind...?

<snip>

-- 
"I can still see her face at thirty.
When will I be most myself?
I thought I'd always be their child.
In my sleep it's never winter."
date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:04:25 +0000   author:   Halla

Re: Problems with posts   
"Halla"  wrote in message 
news:bbefp3hslhes7b5jv0n9uebv8d3oh62mgm@4ax.com...
  > On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:27:11 GMT, "Royden"
  >  blethered:
  >
  >>  Hi Jo,
  >>
  >>  I am relatively new here (been lurking for a few months after finally
  >>figuring out how to get O.E (Outlook Express)to show news groups)
  >
  > Hello.
  >
  Hi Halla
  >> but most
  >>of your posts (that weren't here a couple of weeks ago have magickly
  >>appeared, so hopefully Virgin has sorted out their probs (nothing wrong 
with
  >>using outlook (at least it is easie to block flamewars (when they become 
to
  >>boring))
  >
  > Unfortunately though with OE it is not as easy to remember to post
  > underneath the text you're responding to. :-) It's a local convention
  > to do so though, so if you wouldn't mind...?
  >
  Thanks for the tip.
  It is duly noted and apreciated :) (I wouldn't have known I was doing 
something wrong otherwise)
  > <snip>
  >
  > -- 
  > "I can still see her face at thirty.
  > When will I be most myself?
  > I thought I'd always be their child.
  > In my sleep it's never winter."
date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 00:29:52 GMT   author:   Royden

Re: Problems with posts   
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 00:29:52 GMT, "Royden"
 blethered:

>
>  "Halla"  wrote in message 
>news:bbefp3hslhes7b5jv0n9uebv8d3oh62mgm@4ax.com...
>  > On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:27:11 GMT, "Royden"
>  >  blethered:
>  >
>  >>  Hi Jo,
>  >>
>  >>  I am relatively new here (been lurking for a few months after finally
>  >>figuring out how to get O.E (Outlook Express)to show news groups)
>  >
>  > Hello.
>  >
>  Hi Halla
>  >> but most
>  >>of your posts (that weren't here a couple of weeks ago have magickly
>  >>appeared, so hopefully Virgin has sorted out their probs (nothing wrong 
>with
>  >>using outlook (at least it is easie to block flamewars (when they become 
>to
>  >>boring))
>  >
>  > Unfortunately though with OE it is not as easy to remember to post
>  > underneath the text you're responding to. :-) It's a local convention
>  > to do so though, so if you wouldn't mind...?
>  >
>  Thanks for the tip.
>  It is duly noted and apreciated :) (I wouldn't have known I was doing 
>something wrong otherwise)

That's OK, thank you for noting and appreciating it! Not many folk do
that on the first attempt. <g>

>  > <snip>
>  >
>  > -- 
>  > "I can still see her face at thirty.
>  > When will I be most myself?
>  > I thought I'd always be their child.
>  > In my sleep it's never winter."
>
>
>

A couple of other pointers while we're here. You can snip out extra
text that isn't being referred to, hence the <snip>s further up there
^ It'd also be great if you could snip sigs, which is generally
everything after "--<space><return>" (like the quote just up there ^).
Apart from that, I believe you're good to go. :-) So, what brings you
to URP?


-- 
What we think, or what we know, or what we believe is, 
in the end, of little consequence. The only consequence 
is what we do.
- John Ruskin
date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 09:21:02 +0000   author:   Halla

Re: Problems with posts   
"Royden"  wrote in message 
news:PgHlj.6309$421.4847@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

>  I am relatively new here (been lurking for a few months after finally 
> figuring out how to get O.E (Outlook Express)to show news groups)

Wotcha. We don't get many Aussies here; in fact, I think Yowie's the only 
one, so far.

Jani
date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:09:50 -0000   author:   Jani

Re: Problems with posts   
"Halla"  wrote in message 
news:6mlgp357id66ojgr398ji99icvfj86cckf@4ax.com...
  > On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 00:29:52 GMT, "Royden"
  >  blethered:
  >
  >>
  >>  "Halla"  wrote in message
  >>news:bbefp3hslhes7b5jv0n9uebv8d3oh62mgm@4ax.com...
  >>  > On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:27:11 GMT, "Royden"
  >>  >  blethered:
  >>  >>
  >>
  <snip>
  >>
  >
  > A couple of other pointers while we're here. You can snip out extra
  > text that isn't being referred to, hence the <snip>s further up there
  > ^ It'd also be great if you could snip sigs, which is generally
  > everything after "--<space><return>" (like the quote just up there ^).
  > Apart from that, I believe you're good to go. :-) So, what brings you
  > to URP?
  >
  Thanks for more useful advice (and I thought that URP was only going to be 
full of information useful to understanding Paganism :) ). The reason that I 
am here is that this seems to be the only Pagan Usenet group which seems to 
be full of decent, and rational person (No sign of a malicious troll or 
flame baiter anywhere). So i thought there might be useful info contained in 
the various threads (hopefully the right term) here (as well as getting 
useful advice from others).

  Cheers (and thanks for the great advice)


  >
  > -- 
  > sig <snipped>
date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 07:11:59 GMT   author:   Royden

Re: Problems with posts   
"Jani"  wrote in message 
news:fnb607$2c9d$1@energise.enta.net...
  >
  > "Royden"  wrote in message
  > news:PgHlj.6309$421.4847@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
  >
  <snip>
  > Wotcha. We don't get many Aussies here; in fact, I think Yowie's the 
only
  > one, so far.
  >
  If it wasn't for the fact that Yowie is a fellow Aussie, I probably would 
have stayed as a lurker. But seeing that you are willing to have decent and 
rational interaction with we Colonials :), I finally stepped up to the plate 
and responded (I really prefer staying in the background unless addressed or 
if I feel I have something useful to say (though in this being a Taswegian 
as the mainlanders call us sometimes I am wrong in this))

  Roy
date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 07:24:20 GMT   author:   Royden

Re: Problems with posts   
[snip]
>   >>
>   <snip>
>   >>
>   >
>   > A couple of other pointers while we're here. You can snip out extra
>   > text that isn't being referred to, hence the <snip>s further up there
>   > ^ It'd also be great if you could snip sigs, which is generally
>   > everything after "--<space><return>" (like the quote just up there ^).
>   > Apart from that, I believe you're good to go. :-) So, what brings you
>   > to URP?
>   >
>   Thanks for more useful advice (and I thought that URP was only going to
be
> full of information useful to understanding Paganism :) ). The reason that
I
> am here is that this seems to be the only Pagan Usenet group which seems
to
> be full of decent, and rational person (No sign of a malicious troll or
> flame baiter anywhere). So i thought there might be useful info contained
in
> the various threads (hopefully the right term) here (as well as getting
> useful advice from others).

Welcome in, pull up a beanbag and grab a beverage. We do seem to be ok for
trolls (touch every available bit of wood) but keep the spam filters busy.
To be fair I think spam is on th eincrease universally.
>
>   Cheers (and thanks for the great advice)

They're really very good here aren't they :-D

Jo
date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 17:06:28 GMT   author:   Jo B

Re: Problems with posts   
On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 07:11:59 GMT, "Royden"
 blethered:

>
>  "Halla"  wrote in message 
>news:6mlgp357id66ojgr398ji99icvfj86cckf@4ax.com...
>  > On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 00:29:52 GMT, "Royden"
>  >  blethered:
>  >
>  >>
>  >>  "Halla"  wrote in message
>  >>news:bbefp3hslhes7b5jv0n9uebv8d3oh62mgm@4ax.com...
>  >>  > On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:27:11 GMT, "Royden"
>  >>  >  blethered:
>  >>  >>
>  >>
>  <snip>
>  >>
>  >
>  > A couple of other pointers while we're here. You can snip out extra
>  > text that isn't being referred to, hence the <snip>s further up there
>  > ^ It'd also be great if you could snip sigs, which is generally
>  > everything after "--<space><return>" (like the quote just up there ^).
>  > Apart from that, I believe you're good to go. :-) So, what brings you
>  > to URP?
>  >
>  Thanks for more useful advice (and I thought that URP was only going to be 
>full of information useful to understanding Paganism :) ). 

Oof. That's a tall order, that is. <g> Which bit, for a start? You
Pagan yourself or curious about it all?

>The reason that I 
>am here is that this seems to be the only Pagan Usenet group which seems to 
>be full of decent, and rational person (No sign of a malicious troll or 
>flame baiter anywhere). 

Ah, you've found alt.pagan then? ;-) 

We do get the odd troll wandering through, and we can be heated in the
discussions, but we don't tend to start questioning each other's
parentage and intelligence and all that sort of thing - i.e. flaming
each other. 

>So i thought there might be useful info contained in 
>the various threads (hopefully the right term) 

Yup.

>here (as well as getting 
>useful advice from others).

What sort of advice are you after? For advice we charge by the pound,
but opinion is free and abundant, like knotweed. ;-)

>
>  Cheers (and thanks for the great advice)
>
>
>  >
>  > -- 
>  > sig <snipped>

Heh. You can snip the -- bit too. :-) It's generally that bit and
everything under that gets snipped off, sorry for not being clearer.


-- 
What we think, or what we know, or what we believe is, 
in the end, of little consequence. The only consequence 
is what we do.
- John Ruskin
date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 21:53:50 +0000   author:   Halla

Re: Problems with posts   
"Halla"  wrote in message 
news:ep0kp39fdpbkaeaj2b0qrdblus0g8s17ju@4ax.com...
  > On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 07:11:59 GMT, "Royden"
  >  blethered:
  >
  >>
  >>  "Halla"  wrote in message
  >>news:6mlgp357id66ojgr398ji99icvfj86cckf@4ax.com...
  >>  > On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 00:29:52 GMT, "Royden"
  >>  >  blethered:
  >>  >
  >>  >>
  >>  >>  "Halla"  wrote in message
  >>  >>news:bbefp3hslhes7b5jv0n9uebv8d3oh62mgm@4ax.com...
  >>  >>  > On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:27:11 GMT, "Royden"
  >>  >>  >  blethered:
  >>  >>  >>
  >>  >>
  >>  <snip>
  <snip
  >>  >
  >>  Thanks for more useful advice (and I thought that URP was only going 
to be
  >>full of information useful to understanding Paganism :) ).
  >
  > Oof. That's a tall order, that is. <g> Which bit, for a start? You
  > Pagan yourself or curious about it all?
  >
  I am a Pagan (actually more of a hedge-witch), but there are many 
different branches of Paganism, and I have always been interested in the way 
other people approach things.

  "No matter how much you think you know there is always something new to 
learn" as my Earth-Gate Tradition Correspondence teacher likes to say

  >>The reason that I
  >>am here is that this seems to be the only Pagan Usenet group which seems 
to
  >>be full of decent, and rational person (No sign of a malicious troll or
  >>flame baiter anywhere).
  >
  > Ah, you've found alt.pagan then? ;-)
  >
  Unfortunately yes (during MI'5 Victim's reign of terror there). For a 
Pagan group alt.pagan has quite a few Xtians there who seem to enjoy 
cross-posting miss-information about our way of life
  > We do get the odd troll wandering through, and we can be heated in the
  > discussions, but we don't tend to start questioning each other's
  > parentage and intelligence and all that sort of thing - i.e. flaming
  > each other.
  >
  >>So i thought there might be useful info contained in
  >>the various threads (hopefully the right term)
  >
  > Yup.
  >
  >>here (as well as getting
  >>useful advice from others).
  >
  > What sort of advice are you after? For advice we charge by the pound,

  What's that in kilograms?

  > but opinion is free and abundant, like knotweed. ;-)
  >
  Don't really know at the moment? (I am really a spontaneous (or should 
that be un-organised :-))sort of person). But there is a lot of value in 
other people's opinions.
  >>
  >>  Cheers (and thanks for the great advice)
  >>
  >>
  >>  >
  >>  > -- 
  >>  > sig <snipped>
  >
  > Heh. You can snip the -- bit too. :-) It's generally that bit and
  > everything under that gets snipped off, sorry for not being clearer.
  >
  >
  That's OK

  Well thanks for more useful advice, I'll fade back into the background 
until I have something decent to say (then as Arnie in "the Terminator" says 
"I'll be back"
date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:50:14 GMT   author:   Royden

Re: Problems with posts   
On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:50:14 GMT, "Royden"
 blethered:

>
>  "Halla"  wrote in message 
>news:ep0kp39fdpbkaeaj2b0qrdblus0g8s17ju@4ax.com...
>  > On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 07:11:59 GMT, "Royden"
>  >  blethered:
>  >
>  >>
>  >>  "Halla"  wrote in message
>  >>news:6mlgp357id66ojgr398ji99icvfj86cckf@4ax.com...
>  >>  > On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 00:29:52 GMT, "Royden"
>  >>  >  blethered:
>  >>  >
>  >>  >>
>  >>  >>  "Halla"  wrote in message
>  >>  >>news:bbefp3hslhes7b5jv0n9uebv8d3oh62mgm@4ax.com...
>  >>  >>  > On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 13:27:11 GMT, "Royden"
>  >>  >>  >  blethered:
>  >>  >>  >>
>  >>  >>
>  >>  <snip>
>  <snip
>  >>  >
>  >>  Thanks for more useful advice (and I thought that URP was only going 
>to be
>  >>full of information useful to understanding Paganism :) ).
>  >
>  > Oof. That's a tall order, that is. <g> Which bit, for a start? You
>  > Pagan yourself or curious about it all?
>  >
>  I am a Pagan (actually more of a hedge-witch), 

Are the two mutually exclusive? 

>but there are many 
>different branches of Paganism, and I have always been interested in the way 
>other people approach things.

Cautiously. ;-)

>
>  "No matter how much you think you know there is always something new to 
>learn" as my Earth-Gate Tradition Correspondence teacher likes to say
>

Just as well, really. :-) Where would we be if we were all...
finished? <g>

>  >>The reason that I
>  >>am here is that this seems to be the only Pagan Usenet group which seems 
>to
>  >>be full of decent, and rational person (No sign of a malicious troll or
>  >>flame baiter anywhere).
>  >
>  > Ah, you've found alt.pagan then? ;-)
>  >
>  Unfortunately yes (during MI'5 Victim's reign of terror there). 

Pfft. That man couldn't terrify a fly. He gets around, and is usually
soundly ignored. My server doesn't even carry his posts.

>For a 
>Pagan group alt.pagan has quite a few Xtians there who seem to enjoy 
>cross-posting miss-information about our way of life

To be fair, the last time I was there (the first group I found on
usenet, as it happens) the resident pagans were generally not a good
advert for themselves either. :-) It's an interesting place,
sometimes. Not been in in years.

>  > We do get the odd troll wandering through, and we can be heated in the
>  > discussions, but we don't tend to start questioning each other's
>  > parentage and intelligence and all that sort of thing - i.e. flaming
>  > each other.
>  >
>  >>So i thought there might be useful info contained in
>  >>the various threads (hopefully the right term)
>  >
>  > Yup.
>  >
>  >>here (as well as getting
>  >>useful advice from others).
>  >
>  > What sort of advice are you after? For advice we charge by the pound,
>
>  What's that in kilograms?

454g (ish). Since you ask. ;-)

<awaits someone saying 'actually, you're wrong...'> ;-)

>
>  > but opinion is free and abundant, like knotweed. ;-)
>  >
>  Don't really know at the moment? (I am really a spontaneous (or should 
>that be un-organised :-))sort of person). But there is a lot of value in 
>other people's opinions.

There can be. Once of the things I've got to remind myself is that I
don't need to accept other opinions as true though - they're still
just opinions. 

>  >>
>  >>  Cheers (and thanks for the great advice)
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>  >
>  >>  > -- 
>  >>  > sig <snipped>
>  >
>  > Heh. You can snip the -- bit too. :-) It's generally that bit and
>  > everything under that gets snipped off, sorry for not being clearer.
>  >
>  >
>  That's OK
>
>  Well thanks for more useful advice, I'll fade back into the background 
>until I have something decent to say (then as Arnie in "the Terminator" says 
>"I'll be back"

That's a disturbing mental image to leave us with. ;-)


-- 
What we think, or what we know, or what we believe is, 
in the end, of little consequence. The only consequence 
is what we do.
- John Ruskin
date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 14:54:06 +0000   author:   Halla

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