"Pastor Dave"  wrote in message
news:9e9n83teb289hqfh8d56bigq2msv80omum@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 06:33:40 GMT, "1st Century Apostolic
> Traditionalist"  spoke thusly:
>
>
>>"®andy"  wrote in message
>>news:1jcm835f68ic2pfq047p5o8k2l73aq6d6b@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:40:04 -0400,
>>> in article ,
>>> Pastor Dave  wrote:
>>>
>>>>Actually, that's not true.  That statement is
>>>>the Dispensationalist view.  The nations are
>>>>actually not as bad as they used to be.  But
>>>>ignorance and vanity makes people think
>>>>otherwise.
>>>
>>>
>>> No, the nations are as bad as they ever were, if not worse,
>>> and it's ignorance and vanity that makes people think
>>> otherwise.  The world is not getting better and better, and
>>> the church will not usher in the ages of righteousness, until
>>> Christ returns to rule the nations with a rod of iron (Rev.
>>> 20-22).
>>
>>AMEN!   {;o;}
>>
>>Isaiah 11:6
>>"The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down
>>with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; 
>>and
>>a little child shall lead them.
>>
>>7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down
>>together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
>>
>>8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned
>>child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
>>
>>9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth
>>shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea."
>>
>>How we long for that coming day......{;o;}
>>
>>
>>Jeff...
>
> You have run from every discussion on this,
> intentionally ignoring the Scriptures shown.

That's why I often quote it.....{;o;}
But I have no time for opinions that would alter it, either in definition or
context.

Hab. 2:14 "For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of
the LORD, as the waters cover the sea."

It hasn't been so yet but it will sure will be.......

Isaiah 2:2 "And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of
the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall
be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the
mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us
of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth
the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and
they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into
pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall
they learn war any more."

Jeff...

On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 22:44:44 GMT, "1st Century Apostolic
Traditionalist"  spoke thusly:


>"Pastor Dave"  wrote in message
>news:9e9n83teb289hqfh8d56bigq2msv80omum@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 06:33:40 GMT, "1st Century Apostolic
>> Traditionalist"  spoke thusly:
>>
>>
>>>"®andy"  wrote in message
>>>news:1jcm835f68ic2pfq047p5o8k2l73aq6d6b@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:40:04 -0400,
>>>> in article ,
>>>> Pastor Dave  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Actually, that's not true.  That statement is
>>>>>the Dispensationalist view.  The nations are
>>>>>actually not as bad as they used to be.  But
>>>>>ignorance and vanity makes people think
>>>>>otherwise.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, the nations are as bad as they ever were, if not worse,
>>>> and it's ignorance and vanity that makes people think
>>>> otherwise.  The world is not getting better and better, and
>>>> the church will not usher in the ages of righteousness, until
>>>> Christ returns to rule the nations with a rod of iron (Rev.
>>>> 20-22).
>>>
>>>AMEN!   {;o;}
>>>
>>>Isaiah 11:6
>>>"The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down
>>>with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; 
>>>and
>>>a little child shall lead them.
>>>
>>>7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down
>>>together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
>>>
>>>8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned
>>>child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
>>>
>>>9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth
>>>shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea."
>>>
>>>How we long for that coming day......{;o;}
>>>
>>>
>>>Jeff...
>>
>> You have run from every discussion on this,
>> intentionally ignoring the Scriptures shown.
>
>That's why I often quote it.....{;o;}
>But I have no time for opinions that would alter it, either in definition or
>context.
>
>Hab. 2:14 "For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of
>the LORD, as the waters cover the sea."
>
>It hasn't been so yet but it will sure will be.......
>
>Isaiah 2:2 "And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of
>the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall
>be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
>3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the
>mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us
>of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth
>the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
>4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and
>they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into
>pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall
>they learn war any more."
>
>Jeff... 

This is the part where you quote passages that
you think irrefutably say what you want to believe
and then ignore the response and run away.

I mean, hey, don't worry that you believe that
God will live in a Temple in Jerusalem and that
that mount is not higher than all the others and
isn't "on top of the mountains".  Why let the
facts interfere with your doctrine?

You only prove yourself to be a liar, when you
keep doing the same thing, over and over.

But here ya go, here's some more things for you
to wait for, to see literally and physically happen.
And don't bother saying that they aren't actually
physically literal, because according to your way
of thinking, they must be.

"Sing, O ye heavens; for the Lord hath done it:
shout, ye lower parts of the earth: break forth
into singing, ye mountains, O forest, and every
tree therein: for the Lord hath redeemed Jacob,
and glorified himself in Israel." - Isaiah 44:23

Let me know when the "lower parts of the earth
shout" and the "mountains break forth into singing",
along with "every tree in the forest", when "Jacob
is redeemed".

After all, it can't be symbolism, right?

Yes, that's quite a sensible doctrine you have there!


-- 

Pastor Dave

Expand and go out into the ocean of your faith.
God doesn't do His deepest work in the shallowest
part of the water.

The world says that seeing is believing.
The Bible says that believing is seeing.

Doctrine is not Scripture.

On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 22:44:44 GMT, "1st Century Apostolic
Traditionalist"  spoke thusly:


>"Pastor Dave"  wrote in message
>news:9e9n83teb289hqfh8d56bigq2msv80omum@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 06:33:40 GMT, "1st Century Apostolic
>> Traditionalist"  spoke thusly:
>>
>>
>>>"®andy"  wrote in message
>>>news:1jcm835f68ic2pfq047p5o8k2l73aq6d6b@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:40:04 -0400,
>>>> in article ,
>>>> Pastor Dave  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Actually, that's not true.  That statement is
>>>>>the Dispensationalist view.  The nations are
>>>>>actually not as bad as they used to be.  But
>>>>>ignorance and vanity makes people think
>>>>>otherwise.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, the nations are as bad as they ever were, if not worse,
>>>> and it's ignorance and vanity that makes people think
>>>> otherwise.  The world is not getting better and better, and
>>>> the church will not usher in the ages of righteousness, until
>>>> Christ returns to rule the nations with a rod of iron (Rev.
>>>> 20-22).
>>>
>>>AMEN!   {;o;}
>>>
>>>Isaiah 11:6
>>>"The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down
>>>with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; 
>>>and
>>>a little child shall lead them.
>>>
>>>7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down
>>>together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
>>>
>>>8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned
>>>child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
>>>
>>>9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth
>>>shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea."
>>>
>>>How we long for that coming day......{;o;}
>>>
>>>
>>>Jeff...
>>
>> You have run from every discussion on this,
>> intentionally ignoring the Scriptures shown.
>
>That's why I often quote it.....{;o;}
>But I have no time for opinions that would alter it, either in definition or
>context.
>
>Hab. 2:14 "For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of
>the LORD, as the waters cover the sea."
>
>It hasn't been so yet but it will sure will be.......
>
>Isaiah 2:2 "And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of
>the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall
>be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
>3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the
>mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us
>of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth
>the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
>4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and
>they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into
>pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall
>they learn war any more."
>
>Jeff... 

This is the part where you quote passages that
you think irrefutably say what you want to believe
and then ignore the response and run away.

I mean, hey, don't worry that you believe that
God will live in a Temple in Jerusalem and that
that mount is not higher than all the others and
isn't "on top of the mountains".  Why let the
facts interfere with your doctrine?

You only prove yourself to be a liar, when you
keep doing the same thing, over and over.

But here ya go, here's some more things for you
to wait for, to see literally and physically happen.
And don't bother saying that they aren't actually
physically literal, because according to your way
of thinking, they must be.

"Sing, O ye heavens; for the Lord hath done it:
shout, ye lower parts of the earth: break forth
into singing, ye mountains, O forest, and every
tree therein: for the Lord hath redeemed Jacob,
and glorified himself in Israel." - Isaiah 44:23

Let me know when the "lower parts of the earth
shout" and the "mountains break forth into singing",
along with "every tree in the forest", when "Jacob
is redeemed".

After all, it can't be symbolism, right?

Yes, that's quite a sensible doctrine you have there!


-- 

Pastor Dave

Expand and go out into the ocean of your faith.
God doesn't do His deepest work in the shallowest
part of the water.

The world says that seeing is believing.
The Bible says that believing is seeing.

Doctrine is not Scripture.

On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 22:44:44 GMT, "1st Century Apostolic
Traditionalist"  spoke thusly:


>"Pastor Dave"  wrote in message
>news:9e9n83teb289hqfh8d56bigq2msv80omum@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 06:33:40 GMT, "1st Century Apostolic
>> Traditionalist"  spoke thusly:
>>
>>
>>>"®andy"  wrote in message
>>>news:1jcm835f68ic2pfq047p5o8k2l73aq6d6b@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:40:04 -0400,
>>>> in article ,
>>>> Pastor Dave  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Actually, that's not true.  That statement is
>>>>>the Dispensationalist view.  The nations are
>>>>>actually not as bad as they used to be.  But
>>>>>ignorance and vanity makes people think
>>>>>otherwise.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, the nations are as bad as they ever were, if not worse,
>>>> and it's ignorance and vanity that makes people think
>>>> otherwise.  The world is not getting better and better, and
>>>> the church will not usher in the ages of righteousness, until
>>>> Christ returns to rule the nations with a rod of iron (Rev.
>>>> 20-22).
>>>
>>>AMEN!   {;o;}
>>>
>>>Isaiah 11:6
>>>"The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down
>>>with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; 
>>>and
>>>a little child shall lead them.
>>>
>>>7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down
>>>together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
>>>
>>>8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned
>>>child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
>>>
>>>9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth
>>>shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea."
>>>
>>>How we long for that coming day......{;o;}
>>>
>>>
>>>Jeff...
>>
>> You have run from every discussion on this,
>> intentionally ignoring the Scriptures shown.
>
>That's why I often quote it.....{;o;}
>But I have no time for opinions that would alter it, either in definition or
>context.
>
>Hab. 2:14 "For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of
>the LORD, as the waters cover the sea."
>
>It hasn't been so yet but it will sure will be.......
>
>Isaiah 2:2 "And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of
>the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall
>be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
>3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the
>mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us
>of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth
>the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
>4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and
>they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into
>pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall
>they learn war any more."
>
>Jeff... 

This is the part where you quote passages that
you think irrefutably say what you want to believe
and then ignore the response and run away.

I mean, hey, don't worry that you believe that
God will live in a Temple in Jerusalem and that
that mount is not higher than all the others and
isn't "on top of the mountains".  Why let the
facts interfere with your doctrine?

You only prove yourself to be a liar, when you
keep doing the same thing, over and over.

But here ya go, here's some more things for you
to wait for, to see literally and physically happen.
And don't bother saying that they aren't actually
physically literal, because according to your way
of thinking, they must be.

"Sing, O ye heavens; for the Lord hath done it:
shout, ye lower parts of the earth: break forth
into singing, ye mountains, O forest, and every
tree therein: for the Lord hath redeemed Jacob,
and glorified himself in Israel." - Isaiah 44:23

Let me know when the "lower parts of the earth
shout" and the "mountains break forth into singing",
along with "every tree in the forest", when "Jacob
is redeemed".

After all, it can't be symbolism, right?

Yes, that's quite a sensible doctrine you have there!


-- 

Pastor Dave

Expand and go out into the ocean of your faith.
God doesn't do His deepest work in the shallowest
part of the water.

The world says that seeing is believing.
The Bible says that believing is seeing.

Doctrine is not Scripture.

On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 22:44:44 GMT, "1st Century Apostolic
Traditionalist"  spoke thusly:


>"Pastor Dave"  wrote in message
>news:9e9n83teb289hqfh8d56bigq2msv80omum@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 06:33:40 GMT, "1st Century Apostolic
>> Traditionalist"  spoke thusly:
>>
>>
>>>"®andy"  wrote in message
>>>news:1jcm835f68ic2pfq047p5o8k2l73aq6d6b@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:40:04 -0400,
>>>> in article ,
>>>> Pastor Dave  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Actually, that's not true.  That statement is
>>>>>the Dispensationalist view.  The nations are
>>>>>actually not as bad as they used to be.  But
>>>>>ignorance and vanity makes people think
>>>>>otherwise.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, the nations are as bad as they ever were, if not worse,
>>>> and it's ignorance and vanity that makes people think
>>>> otherwise.  The world is not getting better and better, and
>>>> the church will not usher in the ages of righteousness, until
>>>> Christ returns to rule the nations with a rod of iron (Rev.
>>>> 20-22).
>>>
>>>AMEN!   {;o;}
>>>
>>>Isaiah 11:6
>>>"The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down
>>>with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; 
>>>and
>>>a little child shall lead them.
>>>
>>>7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down
>>>together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
>>>
>>>8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned
>>>child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
>>>
>>>9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth
>>>shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea."
>>>
>>>How we long for that coming day......{;o;}
>>>
>>>
>>>Jeff...
>>
>> You have run from every discussion on this,
>> intentionally ignoring the Scriptures shown.
>
>That's why I often quote it.....{;o;}
>But I have no time for opinions that would alter it, either in definition or
>context.
>
>Hab. 2:14 "For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of
>the LORD, as the waters cover the sea."
>
>It hasn't been so yet but it will sure will be.......
>
>Isaiah 2:2 "And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of
>the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall
>be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
>3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the
>mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us
>of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth
>the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
>4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and
>they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into
>pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall
>they learn war any more."
>
>Jeff... 

This is the part where you quote passages that
you think irrefutably say what you want to believe
and then ignore the response and run away.

I mean, hey, don't worry that you believe that
God will live in a Temple in Jerusalem and that
that mount is not higher than all the others and
isn't "on top of the mountains".  Why let the
facts interfere with your doctrine?

You only prove yourself to be a liar, when you
keep doing the same thing, over and over.

But here ya go, here's some more things for you
to wait for, to see literally and physically happen.
And don't bother saying that they aren't actually
physically literal, because according to your way
of thinking, they must be.

"Sing, O ye heavens; for the Lord hath done it:
shout, ye lower parts of the earth: break forth
into singing, ye mountains, O forest, and every
tree therein: for the Lord hath redeemed Jacob,
and glorified himself in Israel." - Isaiah 44:23

Let me know when the "lower parts of the earth
shout" and the "mountains break forth into singing",
along with "every tree in the forest", when "Jacob
is redeemed".

After all, it can't be symbolism, right?

Yes, that's quite a sensible doctrine you have there!


-- 

Pastor Dave

Expand and go out into the ocean of your faith.
God doesn't do His deepest work in the shallowest
part of the water.

The world says that seeing is believing.
The Bible says that believing is seeing.

Doctrine is not Scripture.

On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 22:44:44 GMT, "1st Century Apostolic
Traditionalist"  spoke thusly:


>"Pastor Dave"  wrote in message
>news:9e9n83teb289hqfh8d56bigq2msv80omum@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 06:33:40 GMT, "1st Century Apostolic
>> Traditionalist"  spoke thusly:
>>
>>
>>>"®andy"  wrote in message
>>>news:1jcm835f68ic2pfq047p5o8k2l73aq6d6b@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:40:04 -0400,
>>>> in article ,
>>>> Pastor Dave  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Actually, that's not true.  That statement is
>>>>>the Dispensationalist view.  The nations are
>>>>>actually not as bad as they used to be.  But
>>>>>ignorance and vanity makes people think
>>>>>otherwise.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, the nations are as bad as they ever were, if not worse,
>>>> and it's ignorance and vanity that makes people think
>>>> otherwise.  The world is not getting better and better, and
>>>> the church will not usher in the ages of righteousness, until
>>>> Christ returns to rule the nations with a rod of iron (Rev.
>>>> 20-22).
>>>
>>>AMEN!   {;o;}
>>>
>>>Isaiah 11:6
>>>"The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down
>>>with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; 
>>>and
>>>a little child shall lead them.
>>>
>>>7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down
>>>together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
>>>
>>>8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned
>>>child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
>>>
>>>9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth
>>>shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea."
>>>
>>>How we long for that coming day......{;o;}
>>>
>>>
>>>Jeff...
>>
>> You have run from every discussion on this,
>> intentionally ignoring the Scriptures shown.
>
>That's why I often quote it.....{;o;}
>But I have no time for opinions that would alter it, either in definition or
>context.
>
>Hab. 2:14 "For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of
>the LORD, as the waters cover the sea."
>
>It hasn't been so yet but it will sure will be.......
>
>Isaiah 2:2 "And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of
>the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall
>be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
>3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the
>mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us
>of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth
>the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
>4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and
>they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into
>pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall
>they learn war any more."
>
>Jeff... 

This is the part where you quote passages that
you think irrefutably say what you want to believe
and then ignore the response and run away.

I mean, hey, don't worry that you believe that
God will live in a Temple in Jerusalem and that
that mount is not higher than all the others and
isn't "on top of the mountains".  Why let the
facts interfere with your doctrine?

You only prove yourself to be a liar, when you
keep doing the same thing, over and over.

But here ya go, here's some more things for you
to wait for, to see literally and physically happen.
And don't bother saying that they aren't actually
physically literal, because according to your way
of thinking, they must be.

"Sing, O ye heavens; for the Lord hath done it:
shout, ye lower parts of the earth: break forth
into singing, ye mountains, O forest, and every
tree therein: for the Lord hath redeemed Jacob,
and glorified himself in Israel." - Isaiah 44:23

Let me know when the "lower parts of the earth
shout" and the "mountains break forth into singing",
along with "every tree in the forest", when "Jacob
is redeemed".

After all, it can't be symbolism, right?

Yes, that's quite a sensible doctrine you have there!


-- 

Pastor Dave

Expand and go out into the ocean of your faith.
God doesn't do His deepest work in the shallowest
part of the water.

The world says that seeing is believing.
The Bible says that believing is seeing.

Doctrine is not Scripture.

On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 22:44:44 GMT, "1st Century Apostolic
Traditionalist"  spoke thusly:


>"Pastor Dave"  wrote in message
>news:9e9n83teb289hqfh8d56bigq2msv80omum@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 06:33:40 GMT, "1st Century Apostolic
>> Traditionalist"  spoke thusly:
>>
>>
>>>"®andy"  wrote in message
>>>news:1jcm835f68ic2pfq047p5o8k2l73aq6d6b@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:40:04 -0400,
>>>> in article ,
>>>> Pastor Dave  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Actually, that's not true.  That statement is
>>>>>the Dispensationalist view.  The nations are
>>>>>actually not as bad as they used to be.  But
>>>>>ignorance and vanity makes people think
>>>>>otherwise.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, the nations are as bad as they ever were, if not worse,
>>>> and it's ignorance and vanity that makes people think
>>>> otherwise.  The world is not getting better and better, and
>>>> the church will not usher in the ages of righteousness, until
>>>> Christ returns to rule the nations with a rod of iron (Rev.
>>>> 20-22).
>>>
>>>AMEN!   {;o;}
>>>
>>>Isaiah 11:6
>>>"The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down
>>>with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; 
>>>and
>>>a little child shall lead them.
>>>
>>>7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down
>>>together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
>>>
>>>8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned
>>>child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
>>>
>>>9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth
>>>shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea."
>>>
>>>How we long for that coming day......{;o;}
>>>
>>>
>>>Jeff...
>>
>> You have run from every discussion on this,
>> intentionally ignoring the Scriptures shown.
>
>That's why I often quote it.....{;o;}
>But I have no time for opinions that would alter it, either in definition or
>context.
>
>Hab. 2:14 "For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of
>the LORD, as the waters cover the sea."
>
>It hasn't been so yet but it will sure will be.......
>
>Isaiah 2:2 "And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of
>the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall
>be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
>3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the
>mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us
>of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth
>the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
>4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and
>they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into
>pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall
>they learn war any more."
>
>Jeff... 

This is the part where you quote passages that
you think irrefutably say what you want to believe
and then ignore the response and run away.

I mean, hey, don't worry that you believe that
God will live in a Temple in Jerusalem and that
that mount is not higher than all the others and
isn't "on top of the mountains".  Why let the
facts interfere with your doctrine?

You only prove yourself to be a liar, when you
keep doing the same thing, over and over.

But here ya go, here's some more things for you
to wait for, to see literally and physically happen.
And don't bother saying that they aren't actually
physically literal, because according to your way
of thinking, they must be.

"Sing, O ye heavens; for the Lord hath done it:
shout, ye lower parts of the earth: break forth
into singing, ye mountains, O forest, and every
tree therein: for the Lord hath redeemed Jacob,
and glorified himself in Israel." - Isaiah 44:23

Let me know when the "lower parts of the earth
shout" and the "mountains break forth into singing",
along with "every tree in the forest", when "Jacob
is redeemed".

After all, it can't be symbolism, right?

Yes, that's quite a sensible doctrine you have there!


-- 

Pastor Dave

Expand and go out into the ocean of your faith.
God doesn't do His deepest work in the shallowest
part of the water.

The world says that seeing is believing.
The Bible says that believing is seeing.

Doctrine is not Scripture.

On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 22:44:44 GMT, "1st Century Apostolic
Traditionalist"  spoke thusly:


>"Pastor Dave"  wrote in message
>news:9e9n83teb289hqfh8d56bigq2msv80omum@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 06:33:40 GMT, "1st Century Apostolic
>> Traditionalist"  spoke thusly:
>>
>>
>>>"®andy"  wrote in message
>>>news:1jcm835f68ic2pfq047p5o8k2l73aq6d6b@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:40:04 -0400,
>>>> in article ,
>>>> Pastor Dave  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Actually, that's not true.  That statement is
>>>>>the Dispensationalist view.  The nations are
>>>>>actually not as bad as they used to be.  But
>>>>>ignorance and vanity makes people think
>>>>>otherwise.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, the nations are as bad as they ever were, if not worse,
>>>> and it's ignorance and vanity that makes people think
>>>> otherwise.  The world is not getting better and better, and
>>>> the church will not usher in the ages of righteousness, until
>>>> Christ returns to rule the nations with a rod of iron (Rev.
>>>> 20-22).
>>>
>>>AMEN!   {;o;}
>>>
>>>Isaiah 11:6
>>>"The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down
>>>with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; 
>>>and
>>>a little child shall lead them.
>>>
>>>7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down
>>>together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
>>>
>>>8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned
>>>child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
>>>
>>>9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth
>>>shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea."
>>>
>>>How we long for that coming day......{;o;}
>>>
>>>
>>>Jeff...
>>
>> You have run from every discussion on this,
>> intentionally ignoring the Scriptures shown.
>
>That's why I often quote it.....{;o;}
>But I have no time for opinions that would alter it, either in definition or
>context.
>
>Hab. 2:14 "For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of
>the LORD, as the waters cover the sea."
>
>It hasn't been so yet but it will sure will be.......
>
>Isaiah 2:2 "And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of
>the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall
>be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
>3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the
>mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us
>of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth
>the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
>4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and
>they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into
>pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall
>they learn war any more."
>
>Jeff... 

This is the part where you quote passages that
you think irrefutably say what you want to believe
and then ignore the response and run away.

I mean, hey, don't worry that you believe that
God will live in a Temple in Jerusalem and that
that mount is not higher than all the others and
isn't "on top of the mountains".  Why let the
facts interfere with your doctrine?

You only prove yourself to be a liar, when you
keep doing the same thing, over and over.

But here ya go, here's some more things for you
to wait for, to see literally and physically happen.
And don't bother saying that they aren't actually
physically literal, because according to your way
of thinking, they must be.

"Sing, O ye heavens; for the Lord hath done it:
shout, ye lower parts of the earth: break forth
into singing, ye mountains, O forest, and every
tree therein: for the Lord hath redeemed Jacob,
and glorified himself in Israel." - Isaiah 44:23

Let me know when the "lower parts of the earth
shout" and the "mountains break forth into singing",
along with "every tree in the forest", when "Jacob
is redeemed".

After all, it can't be symbolism, right?

Yes, that's quite a sensible doctrine you have there!


-- 

Pastor Dave

Expand and go out into the ocean of your faith.
God doesn't do His deepest work in the shallowest
part of the water.

The world says that seeing is believing.
The Bible says that believing is seeing.

Doctrine is not Scripture.

On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 22:44:44 GMT, "1st Century Apostolic
Traditionalist"  spoke thusly:


>"Pastor Dave"  wrote in message
>news:9e9n83teb289hqfh8d56bigq2msv80omum@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 06:33:40 GMT, "1st Century Apostolic
>> Traditionalist"  spoke thusly:
>>
>>
>>>"®andy"  wrote in message
>>>news:1jcm835f68ic2pfq047p5o8k2l73aq6d6b@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:40:04 -0400,
>>>> in article ,
>>>> Pastor Dave  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Actually, that's not true.  That statement is
>>>>>the Dispensationalist view.  The nations are
>>>>>actually not as bad as they used to be.  But
>>>>>ignorance and vanity makes people think
>>>>>otherwise.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, the nations are as bad as they ever were, if not worse,
>>>> and it's ignorance and vanity that makes people think
>>>> otherwise.  The world is not getting better and better, and
>>>> the church will not usher in the ages of righteousness, until
>>>> Christ returns to rule the nations with a rod of iron (Rev.
>>>> 20-22).
>>>
>>>AMEN!   {;o;}
>>>
>>>Isaiah 11:6
>>>"The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down
>>>with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; 
>>>and
>>>a little child shall lead them.
>>>
>>>7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down
>>>together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
>>>
>>>8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned
>>>child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
>>>
>>>9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth
>>>shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea."
>>>
>>>How we long for that coming day......{;o;}
>>>
>>>
>>>Jeff...
>>
>> You have run from every discussion on this,
>> intentionally ignoring the Scriptures shown.
>
>That's why I often quote it.....{;o;}
>But I have no time for opinions that would alter it, either in definition or
>context.
>
>Hab. 2:14 "For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of
>the LORD, as the waters cover the sea."
>
>It hasn't been so yet but it will sure will be.......
>
>Isaiah 2:2 "And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of
>the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall
>be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
>3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the
>mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us
>of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth
>the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
>4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and
>they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into
>pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall
>they learn war any more."
>
>Jeff... 

This is the part where you quote passages that
you think irrefutably say what you want to believe
and then ignore the response and run away.

I mean, hey, don't worry that you believe that
God will live in a Temple in Jerusalem and that
that mount is not higher than all the others and
isn't "on top of the mountains".  Why let the
facts interfere with your doctrine?

You only prove yourself to be a liar, when you
keep doing the same thing, over and over.

But here ya go, here's some more things for you
to wait for, to see literally and physically happen.
And don't bother saying that they aren't actually
physically literal, because according to your way
of thinking, they must be.

"Sing, O ye heavens; for the Lord hath done it:
shout, ye lower parts of the earth: break forth
into singing, ye mountains, O forest, and every
tree therein: for the Lord hath redeemed Jacob,
and glorified himself in Israel." - Isaiah 44:23

Let me know when the "lower parts of the earth
shout" and the "mountains break forth into singing",
along with "every tree in the forest", when "Jacob
is redeemed".

After all, it can't be symbolism, right?

Yes, that's quite a sensible doctrine you have there!


-- 

Pastor Dave

Expand and go out into the ocean of your faith.
God doesn't do His deepest work in the shallowest
part of the water.

The world says that seeing is believing.
The Bible says that believing is seeing.

Doctrine is not Scripture.

On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 22:44:44 GMT, "1st Century Apostolic
Traditionalist"  spoke thusly:


>"Pastor Dave"  wrote in message
>news:9e9n83teb289hqfh8d56bigq2msv80omum@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 06:33:40 GMT, "1st Century Apostolic
>> Traditionalist"  spoke thusly:
>>
>>
>>>"®andy"  wrote in message
>>>news:1jcm835f68ic2pfq047p5o8k2l73aq6d6b@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:40:04 -0400,
>>>> in article ,
>>>> Pastor Dave  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Actually, that's not true.  That statement is
>>>>>the Dispensationalist view.  The nations are
>>>>>actually not as bad as they used to be.  But
>>>>>ignorance and vanity makes people think
>>>>>otherwise.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, the nations are as bad as they ever were, if not worse,
>>>> and it's ignorance and vanity that makes people think
>>>> otherwise.  The world is not getting better and better, and
>>>> the church will not usher in the ages of righteousness, until
>>>> Christ returns to rule the nations with a rod of iron (Rev.
>>>> 20-22).
>>>
>>>AMEN!   {;o;}
>>>
>>>Isaiah 11:6
>>>"The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down
>>>with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; 
>>>and
>>>a little child shall lead them.
>>>
>>>7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down
>>>together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
>>>
>>>8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned
>>>child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
>>>
>>>9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth
>>>shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea."
>>>
>>>How we long for that coming day......{;o;}
>>>
>>>
>>>Jeff...
>>
>> You have run from every discussion on this,
>> intentionally ignoring the Scriptures shown.
>
>That's why I often quote it.....{;o;}
>But I have no time for opinions that would alter it, either in definition or
>context.
>
>Hab. 2:14 "For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of
>the LORD, as the waters cover the sea."
>
>It hasn't been so yet but it will sure will be.......
>
>Isaiah 2:2 "And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of
>the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall
>be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
>3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the
>mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us
>of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth
>the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
>4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and
>they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into
>pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall
>they learn war any more."
>
>Jeff... 

This is the part where you quote passages that
you think irrefutably say what you want to believe
and then ignore the response and run away.

I mean, hey, don't worry that you believe that
God will live in a Temple in Jerusalem and that
that mount is not higher than all the others and
isn't "on top of the mountains".  Why let the
facts interfere with your doctrine?

You only prove yourself to be a liar, when you
keep doing the same thing, over and over.

But here ya go, here's some more things for you
to wait for, to see literally and physically happen.
And don't bother saying that they aren't actually
physically literal, because according to your way
of thinking, they must be.

"Sing, O ye heavens; for the Lord hath done it:
shout, ye lower parts of the earth: break forth
into singing, ye mountains, O forest, and every
tree therein: for the Lord hath redeemed Jacob,
and glorified himself in Israel." - Isaiah 44:23

Let me know when the "lower parts of the earth
shout" and the "mountains break forth into singing",
along with "every tree in the forest", when "Jacob
is redeemed".

After all, it can't be symbolism, right?

Yes, that's quite a sensible doctrine you have there!


-- 

Pastor Dave

Expand and go out into the ocean of your faith.
God doesn't do His deepest work in the shallowest
part of the water.

The world says that seeing is believing.
The Bible says that believing is seeing.

Doctrine is not Scripture.

On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 22:44:44 GMT, "1st Century Apostolic
Traditionalist"  spoke thusly:


>"Pastor Dave"  wrote in message
>news:9e9n83teb289hqfh8d56bigq2msv80omum@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 06:33:40 GMT, "1st Century Apostolic
>> Traditionalist"  spoke thusly:
>>
>>
>>>"®andy"  wrote in message
>>>news:1jcm835f68ic2pfq047p5o8k2l73aq6d6b@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:40:04 -0400,
>>>> in article ,
>>>> Pastor Dave  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Actually, that's not true.  That statement is
>>>>>the Dispensationalist view.  The nations are
>>>>>actually not as bad as they used to be.  But
>>>>>ignorance and vanity makes people think
>>>>>otherwise.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, the nations are as bad as they ever were, if not worse,
>>>> and it's ignorance and vanity that makes people think
>>>> otherwise.  The world is not getting better and better, and
>>>> the church will not usher in the ages of righteousness, until
>>>> Christ returns to rule the nations with a rod of iron (Rev.
>>>> 20-22).
>>>
>>>AMEN!   {;o;}
>>>
>>>Isaiah 11:6
>>>"The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down
>>>with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; 
>>>and
>>>a little child shall lead them.
>>>
>>>7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down
>>>together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
>>>
>>>8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned
>>>child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
>>>
>>>9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth
>>>shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea."
>>>
>>>How we long for that coming day......{;o;}
>>>
>>>
>>>Jeff...
>>
>> You have run from every discussion on this,
>> intentionally ignoring the Scriptures shown.
>
>That's why I often quote it.....{;o;}
>But I have no time for opinions that would alter it, either in definition or
>context.
>
>Hab. 2:14 "For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of
>the LORD, as the waters cover the sea."
>
>It hasn't been so yet but it will sure will be.......
>
>Isaiah 2:2 "And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of
>the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall
>be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
>3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the
>mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us
>of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth
>the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
>4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and
>they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into
>pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall
>they learn war any more."
>
>Jeff... 

This is the part where you quote passages that
you think irrefutably say what you want to believe
and then ignore the response and run away.

I mean, hey, don't worry that you believe that
God will live in a Temple in Jerusalem and that
that mount is not higher than all the others and
isn't "on top of the mountains".  Why let the
facts interfere with your doctrine?

You only prove yourself to be a liar, when you
keep doing the same thing, over and over.

But here ya go, here's some more things for you
to wait for, to see literally and physically happen.
And don't bother saying that they aren't actually
physically literal, because according to your way
of thinking, they must be.

"Sing, O ye heavens; for the Lord hath done it:
shout, ye lower parts of the earth: break forth
into singing, ye mountains, O forest, and every
tree therein: for the Lord hath redeemed Jacob,
and glorified himself in Israel." - Isaiah 44:23

Let me know when the "lower parts of the earth
shout" and the "mountains break forth into singing",
along with "every tree in the forest", when "Jacob
is redeemed".

After all, it can't be symbolism, right?

Yes, that's quite a sensible doctrine you have there!


-- 

Pastor Dave

Expand and go out into the ocean of your faith.
God doesn't do His deepest work in the shallowest
part of the water.

The world says that seeing is believing.
The Bible says that believing is seeing.

Doctrine is not Scripture.

On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 22:44:44 GMT, "1st Century Apostolic
Traditionalist"  spoke thusly:


>"Pastor Dave"  wrote in message
>news:9e9n83teb289hqfh8d56bigq2msv80omum@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 06:33:40 GMT, "1st Century Apostolic
>> Traditionalist"  spoke thusly:
>>
>>
>>>"®andy"  wrote in message
>>>news:1jcm835f68ic2pfq047p5o8k2l73aq6d6b@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:40:04 -0400,
>>>> in article ,
>>>> Pastor Dave  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Actually, that's not true.  That statement is
>>>>>the Dispensationalist view.  The nations are
>>>>>actually not as bad as they used to be.  But
>>>>>ignorance and vanity makes people think
>>>>>otherwise.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, the nations are as bad as they ever were, if not worse,
>>>> and it's ignorance and vanity that makes people think
>>>> otherwise.  The world is not getting better and better, and
>>>> the church will not usher in the ages of righteousness, until
>>>> Christ returns to rule the nations with a rod of iron (Rev.
>>>> 20-22).
>>>
>>>AMEN!   {;o;}
>>>
>>>Isaiah 11:6
>>>"The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down
>>>with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; 
>>>and
>>>a little child shall lead them.
>>>
>>>7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down
>>>together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
>>>
>>>8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned
>>>child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
>>>
>>>9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth
>>>shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea."
>>>
>>>How we long for that coming day......{;o;}
>>>
>>>
>>>Jeff...
>>
>> You have run from every discussion on this,
>> intentionally ignoring the Scriptures shown.
>
>That's why I often quote it.....{;o;}
>But I have no time for opinions that would alter it, either in definition or
>context.
>
>Hab. 2:14 "For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of
>the LORD, as the waters cover the sea."
>
>It hasn't been so yet but it will sure will be.......
>
>Isaiah 2:2 "And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of
>the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall
>be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
>3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the
>mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us
>of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth
>the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
>4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and
>they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into
>pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall
>they learn war any more."
>
>Jeff... 

This is the part where you quote passages that
you think irrefutably say what you want to believe
and then ignore the response and run away.

I mean, hey, don't worry that you believe that
God will live in a Temple in Jerusalem and that
that mount is not higher than all the others and
isn't "on top of the mountains".  Why let the
facts interfere with your doctrine?

You only prove yourself to be a liar, when you
keep doing the same thing, over and over.

But here ya go, here's some more things for you
to wait for, to see literally and physically happen.
And don't bother saying that they aren't actually
physically literal, because according to your way
of thinking, they must be.

"Sing, O ye heavens; for the Lord hath done it:
shout, ye lower parts of the earth: break forth
into singing, ye mountains, O forest, and every
tree therein: for the Lord hath redeemed Jacob,
and glorified himself in Israel." - Isaiah 44:23

Let me know when the "lower parts of the earth
shout" and the "mountains break forth into singing",
along with "every tree in the forest", when "Jacob
is redeemed".

After all, it can't be symbolism, right?

Yes, that's quite a sensible doctrine you have there!


-- 

Pastor Dave

Expand and go out into the ocean of your faith.
God doesn't do His deepest work in the shallowest
part of the water.

The world says that seeing is believing.
The Bible says that believing is seeing.

Doctrine is not Scripture.

On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 22:44:44 GMT, "1st Century Apostolic
Traditionalist"  spoke thusly:


>"Pastor Dave"  wrote in message
>news:9e9n83teb289hqfh8d56bigq2msv80omum@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 06:33:40 GMT, "1st Century Apostolic
>> Traditionalist"  spoke thusly:
>>
>>
>>>"®andy"  wrote in message
>>>news:1jcm835f68ic2pfq047p5o8k2l73aq6d6b@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:40:04 -0400,
>>>> in article ,
>>>> Pastor Dave  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Actually, that's not true.  That statement is
>>>>>the Dispensationalist view.  The nations are
>>>>>actually not as bad as they used to be.  But
>>>>>ignorance and vanity makes people think
>>>>>otherwise.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, the nations are as bad as they ever were, if not worse,
>>>> and it's ignorance and vanity that makes people think
>>>> otherwise.  The world is not getting better and better, and
>>>> the church will not usher in the ages of righteousness, until
>>>> Christ returns to rule the nations with a rod of iron (Rev.
>>>> 20-22).
>>>
>>>AMEN!   {;o;}
>>>
>>>Isaiah 11:6
>>>"The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down
>>>with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; 
>>>and
>>>a little child shall lead them.
>>>
>>>7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down
>>>together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
>>>
>>>8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned
>>>child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
>>>
>>>9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth
>>>shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea."
>>>
>>>How we long for that coming day......{;o;}
>>>
>>>
>>>Jeff...
>>
>> You have run from every discussion on this,
>> intentionally ignoring the Scriptures shown.
>
>That's why I often quote it.....{;o;}
>But I have no time for opinions that would alter it, either in definition or
>context.
>
>Hab. 2:14 "For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of
>the LORD, as the waters cover the sea."
>
>It hasn't been so yet but it will sure will be.......
>
>Isaiah 2:2 "And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of
>the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall
>be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
>3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the
>mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us
>of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth
>the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
>4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and
>they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into
>pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall
>they learn war any more."
>
>Jeff... 

This is the part where you quote passages that
you think irrefutably say what you want to believe
and then ignore the response and run away.

I mean, hey, don't worry that you believe that
God will live in a Temple in Jerusalem and that
that mount is not higher than all the others and
isn't "on top of the mountains".  Why let the
facts interfere with your doctrine?

You only prove yourself to be a liar, when you
keep doing the same thing, over and over.

But here ya go, here's some more things for you
to wait for, to see literally and physically happen.
And don't bother saying that they aren't actually
physically literal, because according to your way
of thinking, they must be.

"Sing, O ye heavens; for the Lord hath done it:
shout, ye lower parts of the earth: break forth
into singing, ye mountains, O forest, and every
tree therein: for the Lord hath redeemed Jacob,
and glorified himself in Israel." - Isaiah 44:23

Let me know when the "lower parts of the earth
shout" and the "mountains break forth into singing",
along with "every tree in the forest", when "Jacob
is redeemed".

After all, it can't be symbolism, right?

Yes, that's quite a sensible doctrine you have there!


-- 

Pastor Dave

Expand and go out into the ocean of your faith.
God doesn't do His deepest work in the shallowest
part of the water.

The world says that seeing is believing.
The Bible says that believing is seeing.

Doctrine is not Scripture.

On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 22:44:44 GMT, "1st Century Apostolic
Traditionalist"  spoke thusly:


>"Pastor Dave"  wrote in message
>news:9e9n83teb289hqfh8d56bigq2msv80omum@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 06:33:40 GMT, "1st Century Apostolic
>> Traditionalist"  spoke thusly:
>>
>>
>>>"®andy"  wrote in message
>>>news:1jcm835f68ic2pfq047p5o8k2l73aq6d6b@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:40:04 -0400,
>>>> in article ,
>>>> Pastor Dave  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Actually, that's not true.  That statement is
>>>>>the Dispensationalist view.  The nations are
>>>>>actually not as bad as they used to be.  But
>>>>>ignorance and vanity makes people think
>>>>>otherwise.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, the nations are as bad as they ever were, if not worse,
>>>> and it's ignorance and vanity that makes people think
>>>> otherwise.  The world is not getting better and better, and
>>>> the church will not usher in the ages of righteousness, until
>>>> Christ returns to rule the nations with a rod of iron (Rev.
>>>> 20-22).
>>>
>>>AMEN!   {;o;}
>>>
>>>Isaiah 11:6
>>>"The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down
>>>with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; 
>>>and
>>>a little child shall lead them.
>>>
>>>7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down
>>>together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
>>>
>>>8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned
>>>child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
>>>
>>>9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth
>>>shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea."
>>>
>>>How we long for that coming day......{;o;}
>>>
>>>
>>>Jeff...
>>
>> You have run from every discussion on this,
>> intentionally ignoring the Scriptures shown.
>
>That's why I often quote it.....{;o;}
>But I have no time for opinions that would alter it, either in definition or
>context.
>
>Hab. 2:14 "For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of
>the LORD, as the waters cover the sea."
>
>It hasn't been so yet but it will sure will be.......
>
>Isaiah 2:2 "And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of
>the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall
>be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
>3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the
>mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us
>of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth
>the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
>4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and
>they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into
>pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall
>they learn war any more."
>
>Jeff... 

This is the part where you quote passages that
you think irrefutably say what you want to believe
and then ignore the response and run away.

I mean, hey, don't worry that you believe that
God will live in a Temple in Jerusalem and that
that mount is not higher than all the others and
isn't "on top of the mountains".  Why let the
facts interfere with your doctrine?

You only prove yourself to be a liar, when you
keep doing the same thing, over and over.

But here ya go, here's some more things for you
to wait for, to see literally and physically happen.
And don't bother saying that they aren't actually
physically literal, because according to your way
of thinking, they must be.

"Sing, O ye heavens; for the Lord hath done it:
shout, ye lower parts of the earth: break forth
into singing, ye mountains, O forest, and every
tree therein: for the Lord hath redeemed Jacob,
and glorified himself in Israel." - Isaiah 44:23

Let me know when the "lower parts of the earth
shout" and the "mountains break forth into singing",
along with "every tree in the forest", when "Jacob
is redeemed".

After all, it can't be symbolism, right?

Yes, that's quite a sensible doctrine you have there!


-- 

Pastor Dave

Expand and go out into the ocean of your faith.
God doesn't do His deepest work in the shallowest
part of the water.

The world says that seeing is believing.
The Bible says that believing is seeing.

Doctrine is not Scripture.

On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 22:44:44 GMT, "1st Century Apostolic
Traditionalist"  spoke thusly:


>"Pastor Dave"  wrote in message
>news:9e9n83teb289hqfh8d56bigq2msv80omum@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 06:33:40 GMT, "1st Century Apostolic
>> Traditionalist"  spoke thusly:
>>
>>
>>>"®andy"  wrote in message
>>>news:1jcm835f68ic2pfq047p5o8k2l73aq6d6b@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:40:04 -0400,
>>>> in article ,
>>>> Pastor Dave  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Actually, that's not true.  That statement is
>>>>>the Dispensationalist view.  The nations are
>>>>>actually not as bad as they used to be.  But
>>>>>ignorance and vanity makes people think
>>>>>otherwise.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, the nations are as bad as they ever were, if not worse,
>>>> and it's ignorance and vanity that makes people think
>>>> otherwise.  The world is not getting better and better, and
>>>> the church will not usher in the ages of righteousness, until
>>>> Christ returns to rule the nations with a rod of iron (Rev.
>>>> 20-22).
>>>
>>>AMEN!   {;o;}
>>>
>>>Isaiah 11:6
>>>"The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down
>>>with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; 
>>>and
>>>a little child shall lead them.
>>>
>>>7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down
>>>together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
>>>
>>>8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned
>>>child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
>>>
>>>9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth
>>>shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea."
>>>
>>>How we long for that coming day......{;o;}
>>>
>>>
>>>Jeff...
>>
>> You have run from every discussion on this,
>> intentionally ignoring the Scriptures shown.
>
>That's why I often quote it.....{;o;}
>But I have no time for opinions that would alter it, either in definition or
>context.
>
>Hab. 2:14 "For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of
>the LORD, as the waters cover the sea."
>
>It hasn't been so yet but it will sure will be.......
>
>Isaiah 2:2 "And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of
>the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall
>be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
>3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the
>mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us
>of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth
>the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
>4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and
>they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into
>pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall
>they learn war any more."
>
>Jeff... 

This is the part where you quote passages that
you think irrefutably say what you want to believe
and then ignore the response and run away.

I mean, hey, don't worry that you believe that
God will live in a Temple in Jerusalem and that
that mount is not higher than all the others and
isn't "on top of the mountains".  Why let the
facts interfere with your doctrine?

You only prove yourself to be a liar, when you
keep doing the same thing, over and over.

But here ya go, here's some more things for you
to wait for, to see literally and physically happen.
And don't bother saying that they aren't actually
physically literal, because according to your way
of thinking, they must be.

"Sing, O ye heavens; for the Lord hath done it:
shout, ye lower parts of the earth: break forth
into singing, ye mountains, O forest, and every
tree therein: for the Lord hath redeemed Jacob,
and glorified himself in Israel." - Isaiah 44:23

Let me know when the "lower parts of the earth
shout" and the "mountains break forth into singing",
along with "every tree in the forest", when "Jacob
is redeemed".

After all, it can't be symbolism, right?

Yes, that's quite a sensible doctrine you have there!


-- 

Pastor Dave

Expand and go out into the ocean of your faith.
God doesn't do His deepest work in the shallowest
part of the water.

The world says that seeing is believing.
The Bible says that believing is seeing.

Doctrine is not Scripture.

On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 22:44:44 GMT, "1st Century Apostolic
Traditionalist"  spoke thusly:


>"Pastor Dave"  wrote in message
>news:9e9n83teb289hqfh8d56bigq2msv80omum@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 06:33:40 GMT, "1st Century Apostolic
>> Traditionalist"  spoke thusly:
>>
>>
>>>"®andy"  wrote in message
>>>news:1jcm835f68ic2pfq047p5o8k2l73aq6d6b@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:40:04 -0400,
>>>> in article ,
>>>> Pastor Dave  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Actually, that's not true.  That statement is
>>>>>the Dispensationalist view.  The nations are
>>>>>actually not as bad as they used to be.  But
>>>>>ignorance and vanity makes people think
>>>>>otherwise.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, the nations are as bad as they ever were, if not worse,
>>>> and it's ignorance and vanity that makes people think
>>>> otherwise.  The world is not getting better and better, and
>>>> the church will not usher in the ages of righteousness, until
>>>> Christ returns to rule the nations with a rod of iron (Rev.
>>>> 20-22).
>>>
>>>AMEN!   {;o;}
>>>
>>>Isaiah 11:6
>>>"The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down
>>>with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; 
>>>and
>>>a little child shall lead them.
>>>
>>>7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down
>>>together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
>>>
>>>8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned
>>>child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
>>>
>>>9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth
>>>shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea."
>>>
>>>How we long for that coming day......{;o;}
>>>
>>>
>>>Jeff...
>>
>> You have run from every discussion on this,
>> intentionally ignoring the Scriptures shown.
>
>That's why I often quote it.....{;o;}
>But I have no time for opinions that would alter it, either in definition or
>context.
>
>Hab. 2:14 "For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of
>the LORD, as the waters cover the sea."
>
>It hasn't been so yet but it will sure will be.......
>
>Isaiah 2:2 "And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of
>the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall
>be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
>3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the
>mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us
>of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth
>the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
>4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and
>they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into
>pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall
>they learn war any more."
>
>Jeff... 

This is the part where you quote passages that
you think irrefutably say what you want to believe
and then ignore the response and run away.

I mean, hey, don't worry that you believe that
God will live in a Temple in Jerusalem and that
that mount is not higher than all the others and
isn't "on top of the mountains".  Why let the
facts interfere with your doctrine?

You only prove yourself to be a liar, when you
keep doing the same thing, over and over.

But here ya go, here's some more things for you
to wait for, to see literally and physically happen.
And don't bother saying that they aren't actually
physically literal, because according to your way
of thinking, they must be.

"Sing, O ye heavens; for the Lord hath done it:
shout, ye lower parts of the earth: break forth
into singing, ye mountains, O forest, and every
tree therein: for the Lord hath redeemed Jacob,
and glorified himself in Israel." - Isaiah 44:23

Let me know when the "lower parts of the earth
shout" and the "mountains break forth into singing",
along with "every tree in the forest", when "Jacob
is redeemed".

After all, it can't be symbolism, right?

Yes, that's quite a sensible doctrine you have there!


-- 

Pastor Dave

Expand and go out into the ocean of your faith.
God doesn't do His deepest work in the shallowest
part of the water.

The world says that seeing is believing.
The Bible says that believing is seeing.

Doctrine is not Scripture.

On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 22:44:44 GMT, "1st Century Apostolic
Traditionalist"  spoke thusly:


>"Pastor Dave"  wrote in message
>news:9e9n83teb289hqfh8d56bigq2msv80omum@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 04 Jul 2007 06:33:40 GMT, "1st Century Apostolic
>> Traditionalist"  spoke thusly:
>>
>>
>>>"®andy"  wrote in message
>>>news:1jcm835f68ic2pfq047p5o8k2l73aq6d6b@4ax.com...
>>>> On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 16:40:04 -0400,
>>>> in article ,
>>>> Pastor Dave  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Actually, that's not true.  That statement is
>>>>>the Dispensationalist view.  The nations are
>>>>>actually not as bad as they used to be.  But
>>>>>ignorance and vanity makes people think
>>>>>otherwise.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, the nations are as bad as they ever were, if not worse,
>>>> and it's ignorance and vanity that makes people think
>>>> otherwise.  The world is not getting better and better, and
>>>> the church will not usher in the ages of righteousness, until
>>>> Christ returns to rule the nations with a rod of iron (Rev.
>>>> 20-22).
>>>
>>>AMEN!   {;o;}
>>>
>>>Isaiah 11:6
>>>"The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down
>>>with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; 
>>>and
>>>a little child shall lead them.
>>>
>>>7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down
>>>together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
>>>
>>>8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned
>>>child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
>>>
>>>9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth
>>>shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea."
>>>
>>>How we long for that coming day......{;o;}
>>>
>>>
>>>Jeff...
>>
>> You have run from every discussion on this,
>> intentionally ignoring the Scriptures shown.
>
>That's why I often quote it.....{;o;}
>But I have no time for opinions that would alter it, either in definition or
>context.
>
>Hab. 2:14 "For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of
>the LORD, as the waters cover the sea."
>
>It hasn't been so yet but it will sure will be.......
>
>Isaiah 2:2 "And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of
>the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall
>be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
>3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the
>mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us
>of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth
>the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
>4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and
>they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into
>pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall
>they learn war any more."
>
>Jeff... 

This is the part where you quote passages that
you think irrefutably say what you want to believe
and then ignore the response and run away.

I mean, hey, don't worry that you believe that
God will live in a Temple in Jerusalem and that
that mount is not higher than all the others and
isn't "on top of the mountains".  Why let the
facts interfere with your doctrine?

You only prove yourself to be a liar, when you
keep doing the same thing, over and over.

But here ya go, here's some more things for you
to wait for, to see literally and physically happen.
And don't bother saying that they aren't actually
physically literal, because according to your way
of thinking, they must be.

"Sing, O ye heavens; for the Lord hath done it:
shout, ye lower parts of the earth: break forth
into singing, ye mountains, O forest, and every
tree therein: for the Lord hath redeemed Jacob,
and glorified himself in Israel." - Isaiah 44:23

Let me know when the "lower parts of the earth
shout" and the "mountains break forth into singing",
along with "every tree in the forest", when "Jacob
is redeemed".

After all, it can't be symbolism, right?

Yes, that's quite a sensible doctrine you have there!


-- 

Pastor Dave

Expand and go out into the ocean of your faith.
God doesn't do His deepest work in the shallowest
part of the water.

The world says that seeing is believing.
The Bible says that believing is seeing.

Doctrine is not Scripture.