Ex-hindu Rascals and antinationals team together to make hindus forget
their glorious past by remodelling education curriculum and hide
ancient techniques of Science and moral advancements.
=================================================

From : psabhlok@hotmail.com

Metaphysics of Plato is Vedas retold in the West
===================================
 Subject: the influence of Vedic “rsis and munnies” on PLATO

Let noble thoughts come to us from all sides. (Rig Veda)

Dear seekers of Vedic knowledge,

 The metaphysics of Socrates and Plato influenced so much the Western
thought and brought enlightenment to the West that today “West”
describes Plato as philosophy and philosophy as Plato. We in India
seem to have forgotten that that source of his writings and philosophy
was Vedic metaphysics.

Plato left Athens for about one decade and visited Prasava (Persia),
Ariana (Iran) and North West part of the then India-land of Aryans. He
seems to have discussed a number of metaphysical concepts with the
then Vedic Rsis and Munnies. On his return to Athens, he propagated
those thoughts without making any reference to Vedic rsis and munnies.
However, the influence of Vedic metaphysics is clearly visible in
Plato’s writings/books.

Like the Vedic concept of moderation and Iddm nan mmam (enlightened
liberalism) Plato mentions in his Laws (174-f) and also in Utopia that
in an Ideal state the range of economic disparities should be within
1:16. If the range of disparity increases marginally, the state is
less ideal. However, if it increases considerably, the state is either
a Democracy or an Oligarchy. The rulers in both tend to be tyrannical,
corrupt, and hypocritical. In his metaphysics, Plato says that the
soul of virtuous people becomes lighter and goes toward heaven by
moving upward after death and that of the non-virtuous, being heavier,
it stays near the earth and is the cause of rebirth. On rebirth,
people may be born in one of the nine kinds of families professing
different faiths, religions, as well as in the different regions of
the earth. Plato thus becomes one of the few ancient Western
philosophers who gave a perfect philosophical theory on secularism and
universal brotherhood which in the East Vedic rsis and munnies had
already conveyed through Vedas.

                In an ideal state, which he described as Republic,
divine guidance is the maximum and in Tyranny it reaches its minimum
and world dissolution (Vedic Pralaya) comes when that divine guidance
is totally withdrawn. Like Vedic metaphysics Plato confirms that life
in this vast turbulent ocean of matter- the material world is an
illusion of comfort (Vedic Maya) and described the gross world as a
phenomenal world. Plato held largely similar views like Vedic Rta
(Laws of Nature) in his theory of Forms and Ideas. A few other
glimpses of Vedic metaphysics can also seen in Plato’s writings
relating to divinity in the noble vocations, social classes, education
system extending up to 48 years, value system and need based living,
absolute nature of right and wrong and many other concepts. Like Vedas
he mentioned worst thing about corruption is that it distorts the
concept of knowledge. He must have learnt about the ideal philosopher
king Janaka of Bhagavad-Gita assisted by Rishi Yajnvalkya and Rsika
Gargi and developed the theory of “philosopher kings” for his
Republic. His concept of economics and global trade has great
resemblance to Vedic economics and global trade.

While Plato propagated the Vedic concept of scientific temper, his
disciple Aristotle spread the message of Physical Sciences of matter
with unsuspected vitality without referring to Vedas. Later many of
these thoughts are found in the metaphysics of Saint Aquinas,
Augustine, Immanuel Kant and many others including some scientists
like Newton, Einstein etc.

Is it not surprising that seekers of Vedic knowledge can get PhD
Degree in Vedas in USA- the bastion of secularism and a few other
Western countries but not in secular India? Even the former Acting
Chief Justice of Pakistan Supreme Court Mr. Mohd Ramde Khalilee when
he met me last year confirmed that he was a seeker of Vedic knowledge
as it originated largely in the then N.W India now in Pakistan. Lately
an e-mail has been sent to a large number of people by an American
Christian “Mike” who has done PhD in Vedic metaphysics. The e-mail
says if the world is to be saved from self destruction follow Vedic
eternal spiritual science - Sanatan Dharma. Somewhat similar thoughts
earlier the great German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer had expressed
about Upanishads about two hundred years ago.

Considering the great importance of Vedic metaphysics for the welfare
of mankind and Sanatan Dharma (Vedic eternal religion), after studying
the metaphysical (Upanishdic) part of four Vedas, I have written the
book “Glimpses of Vedic Metaphysics” as a commoner and for the common
people who are seekers of Vedic knowledge. It is not a book on Vedic
literature, history or language but contains Vedic guidelines,
teachings and thoughts on material, spiritual and divine aspects of
human life. The seekers of Vedic knowledge can read and even take
print at no cost on website http://www.sabhlokcity.com/metaphysics .
Also the book can be accessed through google.com, yahoo.com, lulu.com.
Kindly render divine noble service and forward this Website to other
seekers of Vedic knowledge and strengthen Vedic eternal religion.
Suggestions for any improvement in the book conforming strictly to
Vedas are most welcome. Within my limitation of knowledge I do try to
update the book periodically.

It is high time we establish a University in India where through Vedic
studies students could get post graduate and PhD degrees and they
strengthen Vedic Sanatan Dharma (eternal religion) in India and
abroad.

With kind regards,

Yours spiritual brother,

Prem Sabhlok

PS. While many major religions of the world do not mention about
Rebirth and Re-incarnation but thousands of their modern learned
followers like the ancient Socrates, Plato and Pythagorus do believe
in the Vedic concept of Rebirth and Karma theory. They have
categorically mentioned in their writings.



psabhlok@hotmail.com

On Jul 4, 9:52 pm, ravimpillay  wrote:
> Ex-hindu Rascals and antinationals team together to make hindus forget
> their glorious past by remodelling education curriculum and hide
> ancient techniques of Science and moral advancements.
>

How is this any different than jamatis indulging in name calling for
"murtads"? So, in you opinion, anyone who does not subscribe to your
views is an ex-hindu "rascal" or "anti-national." Get real!

Has anyone ever prevented you from putting in a little extra effort to
find out more about the "ancient techniques of science and moral
advancements" for yourself? If not, dazzle me with *your*
understanding of the "ancient scientific techniques" and progress that
*you* have made with them, and also "moral advancements" that *you*
have personally made. Also, it would be nice to have all the details
about your remodeled curriculum. A single line is simply not enough.

Good to see that you've made steady progress in writing complete
sentences now. I was expecting "ellipses" at the end of each
"sentence."

> =================================================
>
> From : psabh...@hotmail.com
>
> Metaphysics of Plato is Vedas retold in the West
> ===================================
>  Subject: the influence of Vedic “rsis and munnies” on PLATO
>

What are "rsis and munnies"?

>
> Let noble thoughts come to us from all sides. (Rig Veda)

Why the English translation? Here is the Sanskrit original - aa no
bhadraa: kritavo yantu vishwata:

>
> exhortations for seekers of Vedic Knowledge deleted to conserve bandwidthDinesh

On Jul 4, 11:52 pm, ravimpillay  wrote:
> Plato left Athens for about one decade and visited Prasava (Persia),
> Ariana (Iran) and North West part of the then India-land of Aryans.

What is the source of the information that Plato visited Persia and
India?

On Jul 5, 7:45 am, "M. Ranjit Mathews" 
wrote:
> On Jul 4, 11:52 pm, ravimpillay  wrote:
>
> > Plato left Athens for about one decade and visited Prasava (Persia),
> > Ariana (Iran) and North West part of the then India-land of Aryans.
>
> What is the source of the information that Plato visited Persia and
> India?

Actually Plato need not have visited India to acquire Vedic knowledge.
Presence of Indians had been mentioned by Homer, who lived around 1200
BCE.

On Jul 5, 12:59 pm, gitarthi  wrote:
> On Jul 5, 7:45 am, "M. Ranjit Mathews" 
> wrote:

> > What is the source of the information that Plato visited Persia and
> > India?
>
> Actually Plato need not have visited India to acquire Vedic knowledge.

He only had to take a time machine to 1200 bce?

> Presence of Indians had been mentioned by Homer, who lived around 1200
> BCE.

What did Homer call an Indian?

On Jul 5, 12:23 pm, "M. Ranjit Mathews" 
wrote:
> On Jul 5, 12:59 pm, gitarthi  wrote:
>
> > On Jul 5, 7:45 am, "M. Ranjit Mathews" 
> > wrote:
> > > What is the source of the information that Plato visited Persia and
> > > India?
>
> > Actually Plato need not have visited India to acquire Vedic knowledge.
>
> He only had to take a time machine to 1200 bce?
>

There were indeed such machines around that time, you unbelieving
infidel. They all got destroyed by the people of various books. Just
wait and watch. Once the ancient scientific techniques of the "rsis
and munnies" have been re-applied in the most advanced moral manner,
Plato will be just a throw of a switch away. Right now all of the
progress is being held up by other backwards time travel groups.

>
> > Presence of Indians had been mentioned by Homer, who lived around 1200
> > BCE.
>
> What did Homer call an Indian?

Apu Nahasapeemapetilon - not sure about the last "n," should have been
an "s" (then Nahasapeemapetilos would be too Hellenic?). However, the
name occurs frequently in Odyssey, and less so in the Iliad.

Dinesh

i do not belive ravi ji is indulging in name calling. i do not belive the 
hindus need to establish the obvious;  ravi is doing it right: the jews 
don't have to establish the truth of holocaust despite the fact that there 
are dissenters. the jews would not have gone up the ladder of preopserity 
if they were shackled at the base forever to establishing the truth of the 
holocaust.


"The Deep"  wrote in message 
news:13a1b3ff-b304-4eb2-ace5-1dd79add0b4f@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 4, 9:52 pm, ravimpillay  wrote:
> Ex-hindu Rascals and antinationals team together to make hindus forget
> their glorious past by remodelling education curriculum and hide
> ancient techniques of Science and moral advancements.
>

How is this any different than jamatis indulging in name calling for
"murtads"? So, in you opinion, anyone who does not subscribe to your
views is an ex-hindu "rascal" or "anti-national." Get real!

Has anyone ever prevented you from putting in a little extra effort to
find out more about the "ancient techniques of science and moral
advancements" for yourself? If not, dazzle me with *your*
understanding of the "ancient scientific techniques" and progress that
*you* have made with them, and also "moral advancements" that *you*
have personally made. Also, it would be nice to have all the details
about your remodeled curriculum. A single line is simply not enough.

Good to see that you've made steady progress in writing complete
sentences now. I was expecting "ellipses" at the end of each
"sentence."

> =================================================
>
> From : psabh...@hotmail.com
>
> Metaphysics of Plato is Vedas retold in the West
> ===================================
> Subject: the influence of Vedic “rsis and munnies” on PLATO
>

What are "rsis and munnies"?

>
> Let noble thoughts come to us from all sides. (Rig Veda)

Why the English translation? Here is the Sanskrit original - aa no
bhadraa: kritavo yantu vishwata:

>
> exhortations for seekers of Vedic Knowledge deleted to conserve bandwidth.
>

Dinesh

On Jul 7, 10:52 am, "harmony"  wrote:
> i do not belive ravi ji is indulging in name calling. i do not belive the
> hindus need to establish the obvious;  ravi is doing it right: the jews
> don't have to establish the truth of holocaust despite the fact that there
> are dissenters. the jews would not have gone up the ladder of preopserity
> if they were shackled at the base forever to establishing the truth of the
> holocaust.
>

I would have had no problem with just the article (cut-and-paste or
not). However, the stupid preface is unacceptable. What is with the
"anti-Hindu rascals and antinationals" crap? Does the guy with the
"editorial comment" ahead of a cut-and-paste job have any thoughts of
his own on the article? I have yet to see any proof of scholarship in
anything he has posted so far.

You want to find deeper significance, or validation against the basis
of Western thought, via a very very tenuous link (my take) between
Socrates/Plato and Vedic philosophy, that is fine with me. Other than
giving you all "a warm positive feeling," what else did you get from
it? Only the need to spew something like "anti-Hindu rascals and
antinationals"? Are you "Hindu warriors" all so wretchedly insecure in
your faith that you constantly need to find comfort/security/approval/
connections in something Western?

Coming to your response (after the mutual admiration stuff with
honorific and all). The argument that "the jews did it, so we gotta do
it" is simply irrelevant. Stick to the content of the cut-and-paste
article. Forget the (very tenuous) link between Western (read
Socratic) and Vedic thoughts. Consider the author's claim that Vedic
studies are not possible in India currently and that his dream is to
see a post-graduate program established (with a "Vedic university" no
less) in India. Firstly, is this true? Secondly, have you "warriors"
done anything other than paying lip service to the idea? Thirdly, does
any one of you have the intentions of seeing such a program through,
and maybe even enrolling in the program? You've got to make a living
in the real world, right? You've to save your hard-earned money as a
hedge against the future, right? Nevertheless, the idea is really cool
for somebody else.

Dinesh


>
> "The Deep"  wrote in message
>
> news:13a1b3ff-b304-4eb2-ace5-1dd79add0b4f@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 4, 9:52 pm, ravimpillay  wrote:
>
> > Ex-hindu Rascals and antinationals team together to make hindus forget
> > their glorious past by remodelling education curriculum and hide
> > ancient techniques of Science and moral advancements.
>
> How is this any different than jamatis indulging in name calling for
> "murtads"? So, in you opinion, anyone who does not subscribe to your
> views is an ex-hindu "rascal" or "anti-national." Get real!
>
> Has anyone ever prevented you from putting in a little extra effort to
> find out more about the "ancient techniques of science and moral
> advancements" for yourself? If not, dazzle me with *your*
> understanding of the "ancient scientific techniques" and progress that
> *you* have made with them, and also "moral advancements" that *you*
> have personally made. Also, it would be nice to have all the details
> about your remodeled curriculum. A single line is simply not enough.
>
> Good to see that you've made steady progress in writing complete
> sentences now. I was expecting "ellipses" at the end of each
> "sentence."
>
> > =================================================
>
> > From : psabh...@hotmail.com
>
> > Metaphysics of Plato is Vedas retold in the West
> > ===================================
> > Subject: the influence of Vedic “rsis and munnies” on PLATO
>
> What are "rsis and munnies"?
>
>
>
> > Let noble thoughts come to us from all sides. (Rig Veda)
>
> Why the English translation? Here is the Sanskrit original - aa no
> bhadraa: kritavo yantu vishwata:
>
>
>
> > exhortations for seekers of Vedic Knowledge deleted to conserve bandwidth.
>
> Dinesh

WHO CARES THE FUCK WETHER ANOYONE LIKES  OR NOT THE PREFACE ????

No one .......

surprising some govt departement is paying for some of your internet
addiction ...

It its a pity that being on the net for some time some idiots  have
not been able to understand  how the system works which is anti-
majority . The media is against Hindu.........  SIMPLE   reason they
seek to get more access to Pakistan and Bangladesh ... rabid friends
of your ilk .  The newspaper media is owned by the anti-hindus and
takes great pleasure while they get paid to do so from political
parties .... The education stystem  has been made in such a way which
clearly starts  with the glorious { SIC]  history from the dates of
mughal history and conveniently forgets Chanakya , Rama and Krishna's
Heritage . The Indian Histories are simply Myths while non-sensical
stories of christ being reborn [ check www.jesusneverexisted.com]  ,
mohammed the great  [ www.islamundressed.org] is overglorified .

It is the curse of the hindu's that they do not wake up till the enemy
is at the door.....   and ,  It is rabidly anti-hindu fanatics like
you who have been brainwashed by macaulayan edcuation and maybe
educated by a christian priests who are the real  enemies of hindus
because all you can say is nothing  penning garbled hallucinationf
from your keybaord due to incoherent verbal diahorrea.

Do one thing .....   get a shower ..., masturbate if required and i am
sure you will feel better
Remember the day is closing near when the holocast like World War
III   will be on your doorstep and remember you will also be
affected , howsoever you  big you are ...

so just shut up and grin ......

On Jul 8, 9:24 pm, ravimpillay  wrote:
> WHO CARES THE FUCK WETHER ANOYONE LIKES  OR NOT THE PREFACE ????
>
> No one .......

A "ditto" was implied in your cut-and-paste job, but other than that
there was nothing intelligible in the "preface." Besides the "ditto,"
did your grey cells work any to string together two sentences about
what *you* thought about the article?

>
> surprising some govt departement is paying for some of your internet
> addiction ...
>

Wrongo! I pay for *all* (not just some) of my internet "addiction."
Are you scamming some government time to post here?

> It its a pity that being on the net for some time some idiots  have
> not been able to understand  how the system works which is anti-
> majority .
>

None of the above makes any sense. What system? The Indian system? The
US system? The "net"? What majority? Yeah, I did not have a
"macaulayan" education, and you will have to spell it out clearly for
me.

> The media is against Hindu.........  SIMPLE   reason they
> seek to get more access to Pakistan and Bangladesh ... rabid friends
> of your ilk .  The newspaper media is owned by the anti-hindus and
> takes great pleasure while they get paid to do so from political
> parties ....
>

Neither my friends nor I have rabies. Can't say the same about you.
Your writing is very similar to that of a certain jamaati "reporter"
who spews forth here regularly.

Who owns "Organiser" and "Saamna" (just to name a couple)? Aren't
these "newspaper media"? Are they anti-Hindu too? They don't get paid
by political parties?

How about *you* starting a completely pro-Hindu newspaper all by
yourself? I'll subscribe to it for a year just to get you going. I
might even rally a few friends to subscribe too.

> The education stystem  has been made in such a way which
> clearly starts  with the glorious { SIC]  history from the dates of
> mughal history and conveniently forgets Chanakya , Rama and Krishna's
> Heritage .

What are you babbling about? Did you study in a salafi madrassah? This
was not the case when I went to school - ancient history was covered
in detail (in Hindi no less). You must have bunked (or slept, or plain
zonked out) during ancient history classes.

> The Indian Histories are simply Myths while non-sensical
> stories of christ being reborn [ checkwww.jesusneverexisted.com]  ,
> mohammed the great  [www.islamundressed.org] is overglorified .
>

You need to have gone to school to learn history correctly, and put in
a little extra effort on your own (going to a nearby library maybe?).
Looks like you learned history from some "exam guides". Anyways, I
checked the two sites you listed. They were as mind-numbingly boring
as sites run by assorted religious kooks (any religion).

>
> It is the curse of the hindu's that they do not wake up till the enemy
> is at the door.....   and ,  It is rabidly anti-hindu fanatics like
> you who have been brainwashed by macaulayan edcuation and maybe
> educated by a christian priests who are the real  enemies of hindus
> because all you can say is nothing  penning garbled hallucinationf
> from your keybaord due to incoherent verbal diahorrea.
>

I am not anti-Hindu, but I am definitely anti-rabies. I guess I can
now count you in amongst the rabies infected and put you in the same
class as a certain jamaati "reporter."

Bad guess about my education. I went to "gorment iskool" (note non-
macaulayan ispelling), but I worked bloody damned hard on my own too.
Go fly a kite.

Talking about incoherence, the last part of your sentence shows that
you most certainly need to put the joint down before typing.

>
> Do one thing .....   get a shower ..., masturbate if required and i am
> sure you will feel better
> Remember the day is closing near when the holocast like World War
> III   will be on your doorstep and remember you will also be
> affected , howsoever you  big you are ...
>

Ah, the "crystal ball" is the ancient technique of science that you
were referring to, I guess. As a true doomsday prophet, you foresee
Armageddon or Kalki or ... Cool! I don't give a rat's ass about any
doomsday scenario. Living in the moment works for me.

>
> so just shut up and grin ......

Your response has not demonstrated any moral advancement nor has it
uncovered any ancient techniques of science, other than a fogged up
crystal ball. What a disappointment. I suggest you go back to your
salafi madrassah for a second round of education. Don't rely on "exam
guides" this time. Good luck.

Dinesh

you are pathetic