"NEW YORK (AP) — The spiritual leader of the world's Anglicans urged church 
leaders Sunday not to consecrate any other gay bishops for now, as he ended 
a once-a-decade Anglican assembly that was dedicated to preventing schism in 
the troubled fellowship.

In his final speech at the Lambeth Conference, Archbishop of Canterbury 
Rowan Williams said the Anglican Communion needs "space for study and free 
discussion without pressure" about whether to accept changes in the 
traditional biblical understanding of same-sex relationships.

"A fellow Christian may believe they have a profound fresh insight. They 
seek to persuade others about it. A healthy church gives space for such 
exchanges," he told the 650 bishops at the meeting in Canterbury, England. 
"But the Christian with the new insight can't claim straight away that this 
is now what the Church of God believes or intends."

The 77-million-member Anglican Communion has been splintering since 2003, 
when the U.S. Episcopal Church consecrated the first openly gay bishop, V. 
Gene Robinson of New Hampshire.

Williams barred Robinson and a few other bishops from the assembly, and 
designed the event without legislation or votes, instead focusing on 
rebuilding frayed relationships.

Still, more than 200 theologically conservative bishops boycotted Lambeth, 
which ran for 20 days. In June, just before Lambeth began, these same 
bishops formed a new global network within the communion that challenges 
Williams' authority but stops just short of a permanent split.

Williams does not have the authority to force any agreement among the 
conflicted groups. The 38 Anglican national churches, including the U.S. 
Episcopal Church, are self-governed and loosely connected by shared roots in 
the missionary work of the Church of England.

But the bishops at Lambeth said Sunday in a statement that they called their 
"reflections" on the meeting that "there is widespread support across the 
communion" for an extended moratorium on gay bishops and on blessing 
ceremonies for same-gender couples.

Williams and the bishops also indicated support for an extended moratorium 
on church leaders taking oversight of breakaway parishes in an Anglican 
territory that is not their own.

Since Robinson was consecrated, conservative Anglican leaders from Nigeria, 
Uganda, Kenya and elsewhere have taken authority for seceding Episcopal 
parishes in the U.S.

Although the exact figure is in dispute, Episcopal officials say that fewer 
than 100 of the more than 7,000 U.S. Episcopal parishes have voted to split 
off.

Still, the entire Diocese of San Joaquin, based in Fresno, Calif., voted to 
withdraw from the denomination and align with another Anglican province, 
sparking a lawsuit. The Dioceses of Pittsburgh and Fort Worth, Texas, are 
poised to vote on whether to break away this fall.

Robinson traveled to Canterbury even though he wasn't invited, trying to 
meet with overseas bishops and be what he called a "constant and friendly" 
reminder of gays in the church.

On Sunday, the advocacy group Integrity, which represents gay and lesbian 
Episcopalians, said in a statement that "there is no theological defense for 
sacrificing a minority of the baptized" for the sake of unity.

No one expected the Lambeth Conference to definitively heal the divisions 
among Anglicans.

The bishops did discuss a proposed global covenant that would set some 
requirements for membership in the communion. Williams said Sunday he plans 
to convene a meeting of the 38 Anglican national leaders, or primates, early 
next year. But it could be years before any agreement on a covenant is 
reached.

"We may not have put an end to all our problems," Williams said, "but the 
pieces are on the board."

On the Net:
  a.. Lambeth Conference: http://www.lambethconference.org/index.cfm
------------------------------------------

So, once again we are let down by this useless, pathetic "leader". With no
firm leadership and reference to biblical teaching, the mess and schisms
will only get worse.

The U.S. Episcopal church should have been told in 2003, with no "ifs",
"buts" or "maybees" that it was wrong and would be kicked out if it didn't
toe the line.

I despair :-(

-- 
Stuart Winsor

For Barn dances and folk evenings in the Coventry and Warwickshire area
See: http://www.barndance.org.uk

On Sun, 03 Aug 2008, Stuart wrote:

> So, once again we are let down by this useless, pathetic
> "leader". With no firm leadership and reference to biblical
> teaching, the mess and schisms will only get worse.
> 

Sometimes it's hard trying to bring opposing sides together, much
easier to side with the one waving the biggest threats

> The U.S. Episcopal church should have been told in 2003, with no
> "ifs", "buts" or "maybees" that it was wrong and would be kicked out
> if it didn't toe the line.
> 
> I despair :-(
> 

Me too :-( (though from a slighly different POV)

Having seen a friend's distress today, why is it that the honest end
up being demonised, how can those who like to pick the 'moral' high ground
whilst lying (and going on lying) 'no homosexuals in this country',
practising hypocrisy - Gene Robinson is not the first or only
partnered gay bishop, but let's pretend he is.

Moral standards - oh yes let's pick a few

Robert
-- 
Links and things http://rmstar.blogspot.com/
The H-word the church is struggling with is not homosexuality but hypocrisy

On 3 Aug, 20:19, "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist UK.RC"
<"broadband [remove] 1234"@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> "NEW YORK (AP) — The spiritual leader of the world's Anglicans urged church
> leaders Sunday not to consecrate any other gay bishops for now...

What's this "any other" business? The C of E has had gay priests and
bishops - in substantial numbers - for decades and probably longer,
particularly at the anglo-catholic end. I do wish the homophobes
weren't described so often as "traditionalists". The C of E tradition
is of tacit tolerance and understanding.

Ian

In article
,
   The Real Doctor  wrote:

> What's this "any other" business? The C of E has had gay priests and
> bishops - in substantial numbers - for decades and probably longer,
> particularly at the anglo-catholic end.

I'm sure you are right. What better occupation for a man who wants nothing
to do with women than one where celibacy is considered "good", at least by
Paul.

However, in the past they kept very quite about it and, even if not
remaining celibate (which of course is perfectly acceptable) they made
sure their sin was known only to God and to their partner.

The problem now is that they are "in your face" all the time and openly
mocking God. As Jeff points out, we are required not to mix with
fornicators and to remove the wicked person from our midst.

It was fine for us when we were unaware of a person's sin but now we know
we MUST act.

-- 
Stuart Winsor

For Barn dances and folk evenings in the Coventry and Warwickshire area
See: http://www.barndance.org.uk

"Stuart"  wrote in message 
news:4fca2812d1Spambin@argonet.co.uk...
> In article
> ,
>   The Real Doctor  wrote:
>
>> What's this "any other" business? The C of E has had gay priests and
>> bishops - in substantial numbers - for decades and probably longer,
>> particularly at the anglo-catholic end.

Which shows that such a deplorable state of  wickedness has been become 
deeply embedded into the psychi of CoE.

> I'm sure you are right. What better occupation for a man who wants nothing
> to do with women than one where celibacy is considered "good", at least by
> Paul.
>
> However, in the past they kept very quite about it and, even if not
> remaining celibate (which of course is perfectly acceptable) they made
> sure their sin was known only to God and to their partner.
>
> The problem now is that they are "in your face" all the time and openly
> mocking God. As Jeff points out, we are required not to mix with
> fornicators and to remove the wicked person from our midst.
>
> It was fine for us when we were unaware of a person's sin but now we know
> we MUST act.

They should,  but they won't,  they respect human reasoning and fellowship 
more then  Divine reasoning and the fellowship of God.
Look what the Scripture teaches....."But [1]fornication, and all 
uncleanness, or covetousness, let it
not be ONCE NAMED among you, as becometh saints;" Eph 5:3 (KJV)
See that, not even once.

"A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant,
sober, of good behaviour."
1 Tim 3:2 (KJV)
How can a Sodomite Bishop be blameless?

Or how can he be described as being of "Good behavior" when he participates 
with what God calls the 'abomination' of  "Mankind lying with mankind"?
He is supposed to have a wife, not a versatile 'rent-boy' companion.

Hetro and Homo Fornication and often serial Adultery are now so embedded in 
the Anglican and other fallen churches, they would disintegrate if everyone 
was, as Paul commanded, excommunicated and put out of the church.
"11 I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a 
brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a 
drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat. 12 For what 
have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that 
are within? 13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away 
from among yourselves that wicked person." 1 Cor 5:11-13 (KJV)

They have refused to put them away, the leaders and the Archbishop have 
'chickened out' and left themselves in another impossible position, having 
neither the Spiritual backbone, integrity, or love of the Truth to do the 
righteous thing before God.

 "6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that 
ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not 
after the tradition which he received of us. 7 For yourselves know how ye 
ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you; " 2 
Thess 3:6-7 (KJV)
The tradition was Adam & Eve ....not Adam & Steve.

"By their fruits shall ye know them."

Jeff....
 [1]) Illicit sexual intercourse. 1a) adultery, fornication, homosexuality,
lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.
-Strong's Greek & Hebrew Dictionary]

"Robert Marshall"  wrote in message 
news:m1vdyge9mb.fsf@chezmarshall.freeserve.co.uk...
> On Sun, 03 Aug 2008, Stuart wrote:
>
>> So, once again we are let down by this useless, pathetic
>> "leader". With no firm leadership and reference to biblical
>> teaching, the mess and schisms will only get worse.
>>
> Sometimes it's hard trying to bring opposing sides together, much
> easier to side with the one waving the biggest threats

It's very easy to bring together those who really love the Truth, they will 
always concur with either Christ's or the Apostles teaching on any subject 
up for discussion.

>> The U.S. Episcopal church should have been told in 2003, with no
>> "ifs", "buts" or "maybees" that it was wrong and would be kicked out
>> if it didn't toe the line.
>>
>> I despair :-(
>>
>
> Me too :-( (though from a slighly different POV)

Yes! from one that is not in accordance with 1st century Christian teaching. 
(:-(

> Having seen a friend's distress today, why is it that the honest end
> up being demonised,

IF he is being honest and living according to NT teaching....he need not 
concern or distress himself for Christ will be blessing him......on the 
other hand.....!

>how can those who like to pick the 'moral' high ground

The moral highground is the best pick out of the bunch.

> whilst lying (and going on lying) 'no homosexuals in this country',
> practising hypocrisy -

How are they practising hypocrisy, Robert?

>Gene Robinson is not the first or only
> partnered gay bishop,

No! the outrageous scandal of choosing a self-confessed Sodomite as a bishop 
of Christ is spreading..."As doth a canker".

Jeff...
"7 And don't forget the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah and their neighboring 
towns, all full of lust of every kind, including lust of men for other men. 
Those cities were destroyed by fire and continue to be a warning to us that 
there is a hell in which sinners are punished." Jude 1:7 (TLB)

In article <zZ0mk.168995$Eo3.149969@newsfe14.ams2>,
   1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist UK.RC <broadband [remove]
1234@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Hetro and Homo Fornication and often serial Adultery are now so embedded
> in the Anglican and other fallen churches, they would disintegrate if
> everyone was, as Paul commanded, excommunicated and put out of the
> church

I think you have been reading "The News Of The World" too often.

The situation is nowhere near as bad as you seem to think.

-- 
Stuart Winsor

For Barn dances and folk evenings in the Coventry and Warwickshire area
See: http://www.barndance.org.uk

Here's a better summary:

http://cyber-coenobites.blogspot.com/2008/07/report-from-druidic-gorsedd.html

;-)

Robert
-- 
Links and things http://rmstar.blogspot.com/
The H-word the church is struggling with is not homosexuality but hypocrisy

On Tue, 5 Aug 2008, jeff ("broadband [remove] 1234"@ntlworld.com) wrote:

> "Robert Marshall"  wrote in
> message news:m1vdyge9mb.fsf@chezmarshall.freeserve.co.uk...
>> Having seen a friend's distress today, why is it that the honest
>> end up being demonised,
> 
> IF he is being honest and living according to NT teaching....he need
> not concern or distress himself for Christ will be blessing
> him......on the other hand.....!
> 

I think she is :-)

>>how can those who like to pick the 'moral' high ground
> 
> The moral highground is the best pick out of the bunch.
> 
>> whilst lying (and going on lying) 'no homosexuals in this country',
>> practising hypocrisy -
> 
> How are they practising hypocrisy, Robert?

I explained - and you snipped it - at the end of this sentence in my
original - and also claiming the moral high ground whilst telling lies
(one of your favourite bible passages 1 Tim 1:9--10!)

Robert
-- 
Links and things http://rmstar.blogspot.com/

"Robert Marshall"  wrote in message 
news:m1myjrdxni.fsf@chezmarshall.freeserve.co.uk...
> On Tue, 5 Aug 2008, jeff ("broadband [remove] 1234"@ntlworld.com) wrote:
>
>> "Robert Marshall"  wrote in
>> message news:m1vdyge9mb.fsf@chezmarshall.freeserve.co.uk...
>>> Having seen a friend's distress today, why is it that the honest
>>> end up being demonised,
>>
>> IF he is being honest and living according to NT teaching....he need
>> not concern or distress himself for Christ will be blessing
>> him......on the other hand.....!
>>
>
> I think she is :-)
>
>>>how can those who like to pick the 'moral' high ground
>>
>> The moral highground is the best pick out of the bunch.
>>
>>> whilst lying (and going on lying) 'no homosexuals in this country',
>>> practising hypocrisy -
>>
>> How are they practising hypocrisy, Robert?
>
> I explained

Explain again please.

> - and you snipped it - at the end of this sentence in my
> original

You mean....
<Moral standards - oh yes let's pick a few/

So which moral standards are you on about, Robert?

>- and also claiming the moral high ground whilst telling lies
> (one of your favourite bible passages 1 Tim 1:9--10!)

Explain please.

Jeff...

On Tue, 5 Aug 2008, Jeff ("broadband [remove] 1234"@ntlworld.com) wrote:

> "Robert Marshall"  wrote in
> message news:m1vdyge9mb.fsf@chezmarshall.freeserve.co.uk...
>> Gene Robinson is not the first or only partnered gay bishop,
> 
> No! the outrageous scandal of choosing a self-confessed Sodomite as
> a bishop of Christ is spreading..."As doth a canker".

Or primate :-)

http://asbojesus.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/528/

Robert
-- 
Links and things http://rmstar.blogspot.com/

In message 
          Robert Marshall  wrote:

> Sometimes it's hard trying to bring opposing sides together, much
> easier to side with the one waving the biggest threats

It isn't a question of threats or of compromise: it's a question of 
morality, of right and wrong. Rowan's mistake is to think that he can 
somehow find neutral ground between the two sides when what he should 
be doing is standing up for the Biblical truth.

God bless,
Kendall K. Down

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