On Jul 3, 2:08 pm, "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist UK.RC"
<"broadband [remove] 1234"@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>  wrote in message
>
> news:da2517c8-2cad-4813-b7d9-0e96f7d55b27@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
> > They really don't want to know, as they have been profoundly seduced into
> > believing the lie that Jesus is Almighty God Himself.
>
> What has Mohammed ever done for you ? he's dead and buried. Jesus is
> alive. He forgives, heals, sets free, comforts.
> Islam does nothing for its followers.
>
> ------
> Pray tell....what bought on all that?
> ------
>
> so in case you don't understand Jesus here are more quotes that you
> omitted - these ones are just from the first three chapters of John:
>
> john 1:"He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made
> through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4
> In him was life, [1] and the life was the light of men. 5 The light
> shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it."
>
> -------
>    1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
> was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by
> him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was
> life; and the life was the light of men." John 1:1-4 (KJV)
>
> "In the beginning was the Word" -- or word (for there is no authority for
> the subtle capital letter which may so easily mislead the unwary).
>
> In the beginning was the word, was the thought, or topic, or idea, the
> speech, or tidings, or message, or whatever word we may select to convey the
> original
> purpose which the Almighty had in the beginning.
>
> This thought or purpose was with God right from the beginning, and all
> things were made by, for, or on account of, this Great Purpose which He had.
> He was the word, or intention, or purpose. It was the expression of His own
> glorious Self.
>
> From Adam -- for we find this purpose spoken of so early:
> "In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the
> world began but hath in due times manifested (or revealed) his word through
> preaching" (Titus 1. 2, 3).
>
> To the days of the manifestation of the purpose in Christ, we find this the
> subject of the declarations of all the men of God who have spoken or written
> under His guidance (2 Peter 1. 19-21). But that purpose -- or word, if we so
> desire -- was NOT made flesh until Christ came. John tells us so:
>
> "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld his glory,
> the glory as of the only begotten of the Father), full of grace and truth"
> (John 1. 14).
>
> And when that word was made flesh and dwelt among us, then we find that John
> the Baptist, the divinely-arranged announcer of the Son of God, declaring:
>
> "Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world" (John 1.
> 29).
>
> The Lord Jesus was the expression of the Father's Grace, or purpose. He was
> the Word of God, but NOT until that word was made flesh and dwelt among us.
>
> The Lord Jesus came from His Father with the express object of bringing life
> and immortality into this world where all flesh is mortal and therefore
> perishing. It was the Father's arm outstretched to save, and apart from that
> intervention no flesh should be saved.
>
> When the Lord Jesus had risen from the dead, and received immortality from
> His Father -- the first born from among the dead -- then began the New
> Creation which in the fulness shall see this earth, with the curse removed,
> and death and the labouring for
> existence done away, peopled with a perfect and an immortal race who shall
> be a praise and a glory to their God, and a blessing to themselves.
>
> Thus shall be fulfilled at last the "purpose" which the Father had before
> the world began, and which in due time was manifested in His dear Son.
>
> -----------
> John:"The true light, which enlightens everyone, was coming into the
> world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet
> the world did not know him. 11 He came to his own, [2] and his own
> people [3] did not receive him. 12 But to all who did receive him, who
> believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, 13
> who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the
> will of man, but of God."
> ------------
>
> "9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the
> world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by [translated 'FOR'
> 58 times] him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his
> own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power
> to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which
> were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of
> man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we
> beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of
> grace and truth."
> John 1:9-14 (KJV)
>
> Thus we can equally justifiably read "10 He was in the world, and the world
> was made  FOR  him, and the world knew him not."
>
> Now answer this one and try to explain this coming reality.....
>
> "The end will come when he will turn the Kingdom over to God the Father,
> having put down all enemies of every kind.
> 25 For Christ will be King until he has defeated all his enemies,
> 26 including the last enemy--death. This too must be defeated and ended.
> 27 For the rule and authority over all things has been given to Christ by
> his Father; except, of course, Christ
> does not rule over the Father himself, who gave him this power to rule.
> 28 When Christ has finally won the battle against all his enemies, then he,
> the
> Son of God, will put himself also under his Father's orders, so that God who
> has given him the victory over everything else will be utterly supreme."
> 1 Cor 15:24-28 (TLB)
>
> AMEN!
>
> Jeff...

I have frequently thought that Islam is the kind of religion we would
have ended up with if Christ had given into Satan after the 40 days in
the wilderness: it is a development of legalism to the nth degree, it
denies the doctrine of original sin and the need for a saviour. It
also has no confidence in the eternal life of the believer, because
the moslem cannot enter into a relationship with 'allah'.

Mohammed is a false prophet.

Jesus, and only Jesus, is the way, the truth and the life.

David

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          "chorleydnc@hotmail.com"  wrote:

> Mohammed is a false prophet.

That is possibly true.

> Jesus, and only Jesus, is the way, the truth and the life.

That is definitely true.

Nevertheless, there are many Muslims who are devout and pious persons 
and I, for one, do not doubt their genuine relationship with God.

God bless,
Kendall K. Down

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On 4 Jul, 23:27, "chorley...@hotmail.com" 
wrote:
> On Jul 3, 2:08 pm, "1st Century Apostolic Traditionalist UK.RC"
>
>
>
>
>
> <"broadband [remove] 1234"@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> >  wrote in message
>
> >news:da2517c8-2cad-4813-b7d9-0e96f7d55b27@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com..> > > They really don't want to know, as they have been profoundly seduced into
> > > believing the lie that Jesus is Almighty God Himself.
>
> > What has Mohammed ever done for you ? he's dead and buried. Jesus is
> > alive. He forgives, heals, sets free, comforts.
> > Islam does nothing for its followers.
>
> > ------
> > Pray tell....what bought on all that?
> > ------
>
> > so in case you don't understand Jesus here are more quotes that you
> > omitted - these ones are just from the first three chapters of John:
>
> > john 1:"He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made
> > through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4
> > In him was life, [1] and the life was the light of men. 5 The light
> > shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it."
>
> > -------
> >    1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
> > was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by
> > him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was
> > life; and the life was the light of men." John 1:1-4 (KJV)
>
> > "In the beginning was the Word" -- or word (for there is no authority for
> > the subtle capital letter which may so easily mislead the unwary).
>
> > In the beginning was the word, was the thought, or topic, or idea, the
> > speech, or tidings, or message, or whatever word we may select to convey the
> > original
> > purpose which the Almighty had in the beginning.
>
> > This thought or purpose was with God right from the beginning, and all
> > things were made by, for, or on account of, this Great Purpose which He had.
> > He was the word, or intention, or purpose. It was the expression of His own
> > glorious Self.
>
> > From Adam -- for we find this purpose spoken of so early:
> > "In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the
> > world began but hath in due times manifested (or revealed) his word through
> > preaching" (Titus 1. 2, 3).
>
> > To the days of the manifestation of the purpose in Christ, we find this the
> > subject of the declarations of all the men of God who have spoken or written
> > under His guidance (2 Peter 1. 19-21). But that purpose -- or word, if we so
> > desire -- was NOT made flesh until Christ came. John tells us so:
>
> > "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld his glory,
> > the glory as of the only begotten of the Father), full of grace and truth"
> > (John 1. 14).
>
> > And when that word was made flesh and dwelt among us, then we find that John
> > the Baptist, the divinely-arranged announcer of the Son of God, declaring:
>
> > "Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world" (John 1.
> > 29).
>
> > The Lord Jesus was the expression of the Father's Grace, or purpose. He was
> > the Word of God, but NOT until that word was made flesh and dwelt among us.
>
> > The Lord Jesus came from His Father with the express object of bringing life
> > and immortality into this world where all flesh is mortal and therefore
> > perishing. It was the Father's arm outstretched to save, and apart from that
> > intervention no flesh should be saved.
>
> > When the Lord Jesus had risen from the dead, and received immortality from
> > His Father -- the first born from among the dead -- then began the New
> > Creation which in the fulness shall see this earth, with the curse removed,
> > and death and the labouring for
> > existence done away, peopled with a perfect and an immortal race who shall
> > be a praise and a glory to their God, and a blessing to themselves.
>
> > Thus shall be fulfilled at last the "purpose" which the Father had before
> > the world began, and which in due time was manifested in His dear Son.
>
> > -----------
> > John:"The true light, which enlightens everyone, was coming into the
> > world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet
> > the world did not know him. 11 He came to his own, [2] and his own
> > people [3] did not receive him. 12 But to all who did receive him, who
> > believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, 13
> > who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the
> > will of man, but of God."
> > ------------
>
> > "9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the
> > world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by [translated 'FOR'
> > 58 times] him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his
> > own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power
> > to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which
> > were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of
> > man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we
> > beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of
> > grace and truth."
> > John 1:9-14 (KJV)
>
> > Thus we can equally justifiably read "10 He was in the world, and the world
> > was made  FOR  him, and the world knew him not."
>
> > Now answer this one and try to explain this coming reality.....
>
> > "The end will come when he will turn the Kingdom over to God the Father> > having put down all enemies of every kind.
> > 25 For Christ will be King until he has defeated all his enemies,
> > 26 including the last enemy--death. This too must be defeated and ended> > 27 For the rule and authority over all things has been given to Christ by
> > his Father; except, of course, Christ
> > does not rule over the Father himself, who gave him this power to rule.
> > 28 When Christ has finally won the battle against all his enemies, then he,
> > the
> > Son of God, will put himself also under his Father's orders, so that God who
> > has given him the victory over everything else will be utterly supreme.> > 1 Cor 15:24-28 (TLB)
>
> > AMEN!
>
> > Jeff...
>
> I have frequently thought that Islam is the kind of religion we would
> have ended up with if Christ had given into Satan after the 40 days in
> the wilderness: it is a development of legalism to the nth degree, it
> denies the doctrine of original sin and the need for a saviour. It
> also has no confidence in the eternal life of the believer, because
> the moslem cannot enter into a relationship with 'allah'.
>
> Mohammed is a false prophet.
>
> Jesus, and only Jesus, is the way, the truth and the life.
>

We shall see on the Day of Judgement than.