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          nobody  wrote:

> And by the way does this forgiveness of sin include Adam, Abraham,
> Moses etc as they have not professed to Jesus nor have they accepted
> his so called death and resurrection

Very true - and neither have they accepted Mohammed, which means that 
they can't be Muslims and so must be infidels of some sort.

The point is - as I hope you will realise if you stop to think before 
posting - that the persons you mention were in a right relationship 
with God and therefore receive the benefits of whatever arrangements 
God makes for His people later, whether (as we believe) those benefits 
come from Jesus or (as you believe) through Mohammed.

God bless,
Kendall K. Down

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On 3 Jul, 06:26, Kendall K Down  wrote:
> In message <3336257b-e284-4de3-a05f-4ae9d0504...@l64g2000hse.googlegro
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>           nobody  wrote:
>
> > And by the way does this forgiveness of sin include Adam, Abraham,
> > Moses etc as they have not professed to Jesus nor have they accepted
> > his so called death and resurrection
>
> Very true - and neither have they accepted Mohammed, which means that
> they can't be Muslims and so must be infidels of some sort.
>

A Muslim is someone who SUBMITS HIS WILL TO GOD. thus submits himself
to God, if the above prophets did that to the best of their ability,
they were Muslims.

And about accepting Muhammad (pbuh), the message they received was not
about Muhammad just like the Message of Noah (pbuh) was not about
Abraham (pbuh), and the message of Abraham was not about Moses
(pbuh).  So are you trying to say these prophets have rejected the
prophets that have come after their lifetime whether they had
knowledge of them or not.



> The point is - as I hope you will realise if you stop to think before
> posting - that the persons you mention were in a right relationship
> with God.

that’s the whole point they had a relationship with God just like
Jesus did, the God of Jesus, who Jesus says is your father and his
father.

> and therefore receive the benefits of whatever arrangements
> God makes for His people later, whether (as we believe) those benefits
> come from Jesus or (as you believe) through Mohammed.

The difference is you CLAIM you have to testify in the name of Jesus
to be part of the group who have their sins washed away by the
crucifiction of Jesus.

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          nobody  wrote:

>> The point is - as I hope you will realise if you stop to think before
>> posting - that the persons you mention were in a right relationship
>> with God.

> that’s the whole point they had a relationship with God just like
> Jesus did, the God of Jesus, who Jesus says is your father and his
> father.

Good, so we agree and your comments were at best superfluous.

>> and therefore receive the benefits of whatever arrangements
>> God makes for His people later, whether (as we believe) those benefits
>> come from Jesus or (as you believe) through Mohammed.

> The difference is you CLAIM you have to testify in the name of Jesus
> to be part of the group who have their sins washed away by the
> crucifiction of Jesus.

And you CLAIM that you have to recite the shahada to benefit from 
whatever it is that Islam does about sins. The fact is - as you admit 
above - that if you are in a right relationship with God, the outward 
form of your religion is unimportant.

Of course I will claim that Christianity helps towards that right 
relationship (and you will claim the same for Islam) and we would both 
agree that idolatry is a definite hindrance, while something like 
deliberate sin (that is, knowingly and deliberately choosing to do 
what *you* believe to be wrong) is a pretty good indication that you 
don't have a relationship with God.

God bless,
Kendall K. Down

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