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          Adam Funk  wrote:

>> 4. And what happened to freedom?

> Excellent points!
> 4 --- Ken, is that really you?  ;-)

What on earth would make you think I was against freedom? It's 
precisely because I am/want to be free that I object to things like 
alcohol: the alcoholic or other drug-depender is *not* free!

God bless,
Kendall K. Down

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On 2008-07-02, Kendall K Down wrote:

> In message 
>           Adam Funk  wrote:
>
>>> 4. And what happened to freedom?
>
>> Excellent points!
>> 4 --- Ken, is that really you?  ;-)
>
> What on earth would make you think I was against freedom? It's 
> precisely because I am/want to be free that I object to things like 
> alcohol: the alcoholic or other drug-depender is *not* free!

I didn't have that one question specifically in mind; I was thinking
about your set of pre- and proscriptions taken in their crazy ;-)
entirety, as well as your inclination to impose them on others.

But since you mentioned it, I certainly agree with you that alcoholics
are not free.  I also believe that the majority of people who drink
are --- like the apostles and many other wine-consuming "good guys" in
the Bible --- moderate consumers who should be free to do so without
interference or condemnation.

> On 2008-07-02, Kendall K Down wrote:
>
> In message 
>           Adam Funk  wrote:
>
>>> 4. And what happened to freedom?
>>
>> Excellent points!
>> 4 --- Ken, is that really you?  ;-)
>
> What on earth would make you think I was against freedom? It's
> precisely because I am/want to be free that I object to things like
> alcohol: the alcoholic or other drug-depender is *not* free!

Neither are Vegetarians, Ken, or human herbivores, they have a meat-eating 
neurosis.

Jeff...
"They'll tell you not to eat this or that food- perfectly good food God 
created to be eaten heartily and with thanksgiving by Christians! 4 
Everything God created is good, and to be received with thanks. Nothing is 
to be sneered at and thrown out. 5  God's Word and our prayers make every 
item in creation holy."

1 Tim 4:3-5 (MSG)

In message 
          Adam Funk  wrote:

> I didn't have that one question specifically in mind; I was thinking
> about your set of pre- and proscriptions taken in their crazy ;-)
> entirety, as well as your inclination to impose them on others.

Naturally, being right all the time, I am eager to help others to the 
same happy destination.

> But since you mentioned it, I certainly agree with you that alcoholics
> are not free.  I also believe that the majority of people who drink
> are --- like the apostles and many other wine-consuming "good guys" in
> the Bible --- moderate consumers who should be free to do so without
> interference or condemnation.

If these people lived alone on a desert island, I would have no 
objection whatsoever. As few are so fortunately placed, it is not 
inappropriate to consider the effect of their example on others who 
lack their will-power.

Plus it saddens me to see people unnecessarily damaging their health.

God bless,
Kendall K. Down

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On 2008-07-08, Kendall K Down wrote:

> In message 
>           Adam Funk  wrote:
>
>> I didn't have that one question specifically in mind; I was thinking
>> about your set of pre- and proscriptions taken in their crazy ;-)
>> entirety, as well as your inclination to impose them on others.
>
> Naturally, being right all the time, I am eager to help others to the 
> same happy destination.

That's funny, so am I!  (There seems to be a lot of that going round
these days...)

In uk.religion.christian on Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:03:20 +0100, Adam Funk
 wrote:

}On 2008-07-08, Kendall K Down wrote:
}
}> In message 
}>           Adam Funk  wrote:
}>
}>> I didn't have that one question specifically in mind; I was thinking
}>> about your set of pre- and proscriptions taken in their crazy ;-)
}>> entirety, as well as your inclination to impose them on others.
}>
}> Naturally, being right all the time, I am eager to help others to the 
}> same happy destination.
}
}That's funny, so am I!  (There seems to be a lot of that going round
}these days...)

Me too.

{R}

In message 
          Adam Funk  wrote:

>> Naturally, being right all the time, I am eager to help others to the
>> same happy destination.

> That's funny, so am I!

It's just as well we're Christians - otherwise we would be guilty of 
the sin of pride as we compare our fortunate state with that of lesser 
mortals.

God bless,
Kendall K. Down

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On 2008-07-10, Kendall K Down wrote:

> In message 
>           Adam Funk  wrote:
>
>>> Naturally, being right all the time, I am eager to help others to the
>>> same happy destination.
>
>> That's funny, so am I!
>
> It's just as well we're Christians - otherwise we would be guilty of 
> the sin of pride as we compare our fortunate state with that of lesser 
> mortals.

Phew!