On Sep 13, 6:57 pm, "Evelyn Ruut"  wrote:
> "Sevenhundred Elves" <sevenhund...@elves.invalid> wrote in message
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> > Julian wrote:
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> >> "Feng"  wrote .
> >> > "Evelyn Ruut" :
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> >> >>Well Feng my boy, I can tell you that you are wrong.   ALL tibetan
> >> >>practices
> >> >>are based upon and directed to loving kindness and compassion for all
> >> >>living
> >> >>beings.  No "dark arts" at all.   No mystery about it.   Where on earth
> >> >>are
> >> >>you getting your information?  From the peoples republic of china?
> >> >>Certainly you are getting incorrect information.
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> >> > Well, that only shows how ignorant you are. There are a lot
> >> > literatures on the net exposing the evil practice of Tibetan Buddhism
> >> > very graphically. Too bad they are all written in Chinese. Let me tell
> >> > you, it's something far worse than western hardcore porn. Just to give
> >> > you an idea.
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> >> This was German...
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> >>http://www.trimondi.de/SDLE/Contents.htm
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> > That was an interesting article. How did you find it? If through Google,
> > what words did you Google on?
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> > In that article, the Tibet of old looks a lot like medieval Europe, with
> > intriguing rulers, oppressed peasants, cruel punishments and lots of
> > superstition.
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> > That article notwithstanding, I still find it odd that Tibetan Buddhism
> > in Tibet (as described in the article and by Feng) seems to differ so
> > much from Tibetan Buddhism as it is practiced in the West. One
> > difference: I don't think for a moment that the Tibetan Buddhists on
> > these boards would approve of torturing thieves almost to death and then
> > leave them to fend for themselves, or cutting off their arms or other
> > appendages, and yet the lamas of Tibet were said to do this and then
> > yawn. There is some incongruity here.
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> > What happened to all the cruel and power-hungry lamas who were in Tibet?
> > Are they banned from teaching in the west, or have they all been
> > apprehended by chinese troops and made to answer for their crimes, or
> > what? I mean, why can't I spot more of this medieval viciousness in the
> > usenet posts from Tibetan Buddhists? (At least no more than in posts
> > from any other kind of Buddhist)
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> > Also, Dalai Lama himself doesn't come across as a cruel or unreasonable
> > dictator. And he seems sincere when he says he wants people to be kind
> > to each other. Am I supposed to believe that's all just acting?
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> > S.
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> Hi 700 E,
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> Realize that there are people out there with an agenda to spread the very
> worst propaganda they can.   Believe what you see, hear, and experience for
> yourself, not the propaganda mills' garbage.
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> The Dalai Lama got the Nobel peace prize for a good reason.  He absolutely
> advocates non violence and peace.   He teaches loving kindness and
> compassion for all living beings, as do the Nyingma, Gelugpa, Kagyu and
> Sakya schools of buddhism, which are all represented well in the West, along
> with the various Zennies and the Theravadins.
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> Yet even all of these have had their occasional odd wackos and bad apples.
> Why is that?
>
> It is because human beings will be what human beings will be, catholic,
> protestant, buddhist, jewish, whatever.   They preach one thing and do
> another.   Everybody knows that 'the flesh is weak.'
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> There are always people who will believe the worst, and will jump on any
> bandwagon coming through town.   They like the drama and the excitement, the
> 'specialness' of being the whistleblower, of being different.   As though
> they had some special knowledge.   So they dug up a website by a hate monger
> and act like they know something.   It is a play for attention.   Look at
> me!!!!!  Only the great *I* know the truth!!!! believe them and you fall
> into their ego games.   Keep a cool head and decide for yourself.
>
> But how does one discover where the truth lies?   I have been studying and
> reading for a lot of years now, and I have heard pretty much all of it, and
> without a doubt, some of it is really bad stuff.   People are what people
> will be, and there will always be some who victimize others in every way
> possible.    They do it because they can.
>
> There are dirt bags everywhere, in every religion and in every country.
> Like I always say, it is a human problem not a religion problem.   A
> 'stiffie' has no conscience.   There's always an agenda running under it
> all, and that agenda will lead them down any road, to do any thing.   We are
> all vulnerable.  We are all schemers.
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> The dharma is genuinely above all of human nonsense, because it is personal,
> and is best evidenced in an individuals own life.    Buddha saw all the
> human shit too, and he set up his dharma to be able to rise above it, and
> yet, even still, crap has taken place under the banner of dharma.   People
> operate with various psychological or physical currencies.  Fame, sex,
> money, you name it.......
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> Buddha knew all this and yet he tried, because he genuinely cared about
> living beings, skanky rotten as we all are.   And this has made his wisdom
> special 2500 years plus, down the road.
>
> Never forget what he said  ...... "What, and what they think, it is
> otherwise."

Question:
When Buddha said, "What, and what they think, it is otherwise,"
the assumption is that Buddha knew "what and what they think"
After all, Buddha is Buddha.

You are quoting Buddha. Are you suggesting that you also know "what
and what they think"? If so, why are you not including yourself one of
the
"they" and what and what you think is otherwise?


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