"Feng"  wrote .
> "Evelyn Ruut" :

>>Well Feng my boy, I can tell you that you are wrong.   ALL tibetan 
>>practices
>>are based upon and directed to loving kindness and compassion for all 
>>living
>>beings.  No "dark arts" at all.   No mystery about it.   Where on earth 
>>are
>>you getting your information?  From the peoples republic of china?
>>Certainly you are getting incorrect information.
>
> Well, that only shows how ignorant you are. There are a lot
> literatures on the net exposing the evil practice of Tibetan Buddhism
> very graphically. Too bad they are all written in Chinese. Let me tell
> you, it's something far worse than western hardcore porn. Just to give
> you an idea.

This was German...

http://www.trimondi.de/SDLE/Contents.htm

On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 03:54:26 +0100, "Julian" 
wrote:

>"Feng"  wrote .
>> "Evelyn Ruut" :
>
>>>Well Feng my boy, I can tell you that you are wrong.   ALL tibetan 
>>>practices
>>>are based upon and directed to loving kindness and compassion for all 
>>>living
>>>beings.  No "dark arts" at all.   No mystery about it.   Where on earth 
>>>are
>>>you getting your information?  From the peoples republic of china?
>>>Certainly you are getting incorrect information.
>>
>> Well, that only shows how ignorant you are. There are a lot
>> literatures on the net exposing the evil practice of Tibetan Buddhism
>> very graphically. Too bad they are all written in Chinese. Let me tell
>> you, it's something far worse than western hardcore porn. Just to give
>> you an idea.
>
>This was German...
>
>http://www.trimondi.de/SDLE/Contents.htm 

Thanks for the info. It seems there are hopes for humanity after all.

"Julian"  wrote in message
news:yrmdnf3MZbIcO3XbnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com...
> "Feng"  wrote .
> > "Evelyn Ruut" :
>
> >>Well Feng my boy, I can tell you that you are wrong.   ALL tibetan
> >>practices
> >>are based upon and directed to loving kindness and compassion for all
> >>living
> >>beings.  No "dark arts" at all.   No mystery about it.   Where on earth
> >>are
> >>you getting your information?  From the peoples republic of china?
> >>Certainly you are getting incorrect information.
> >
> > Well, that only shows how ignorant you are. There are a lot
> > literatures on the net exposing the evil practice of Tibetan Buddhism
> > very graphically. Too bad they are all written in Chinese. Let me tell
> > you, it's something far worse than western hardcore porn. Just to give
> > you an idea.
>
> This was German...
>
> http://www.trimondi.de/SDLE/Contents.htm

This sex = evil thing is a stupid belief to begin with. Sex has to do with
the creation of life itself and is quite pleasurable. In fact, this entire
attitude exposes modern society, which espouses chasing after money and
material possessions while enslaving it's citizens to an economic paradigm,
as being essentially anti-life, not just anti-sex. If you're from a culture
that has convinced you that sex is "dirty" or "perverted" or even "evil"
that's your problem, not the Tibetan's. (By "you" I do not necessarily mean
Julian, just any generic reader.)

Remember that this negative viewpoint regarding sex has essentially been
programmed into people through fear and intimidation and can be deep seated
and hard to get rid of, but rest assured that there is nothing wrong with
sex.

tvp

"Tad Perry"  wrote in message 
news:XeudnTt-VayA73TbnZ2dnUVZ_qmlnZ2d@comcast.com...
> "Julian"  wrote in message
> news:yrmdnf3MZbIcO3XbnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com...
>> "Feng"  wrote .
>> > "Evelyn Ruut" :
>>
>> >>Well Feng my boy, I can tell you that you are wrong.   ALL tibetan
>> >>practices
>> >>are based upon and directed to loving kindness and compassion for all
>> >>living
>> >>beings.  No "dark arts" at all.   No mystery about it.   Where on earth
>> >>are
>> >>you getting your information?  From the peoples republic of china?
>> >>Certainly you are getting incorrect information.
>> >
>> > Well, that only shows how ignorant you are. There are a lot
>> > literatures on the net exposing the evil practice of Tibetan Buddhism
>> > very graphically. Too bad they are all written in Chinese. Let me tell
>> > you, it's something far worse than western hardcore porn. Just to give
>> > you an idea.
>>
>> This was German...
>>
>> http://www.trimondi.de/SDLE/Contents.htm
>
> This sex = evil thing is a stupid belief to begin with. Sex has to do with
> the creation of life itself and is quite pleasurable. In fact, this entire
> attitude exposes modern society, which espouses chasing after money and
> material possessions while enslaving it's citizens to an economic 
> paradigm,
> as being essentially anti-life, not just anti-sex. If you're from a 
> culture
> that has convinced you that sex is "dirty" or "perverted" or even "evil"
> that's your problem, not the Tibetan's. (By "you" I do not necessarily 
> mean
> Julian, just any generic reader.)
>
> Remember that this negative viewpoint regarding sex has essentially been
> programmed into people through fear and intimidation and can be deep 
> seated
> and hard to get rid of, but rest assured that there is nothing wrong with
> sex.

Funnily enough the book does mention the DL's proscribing various sex acts
between consenting adults. Perhaps you could wake him up?

Julian wrote:

> "Feng"  wrote .
> > "Evelyn Ruut" :
> 
> >>Well Feng my boy, I can tell you that you are wrong.   ALL tibetan 
> >>practices
> >>are based upon and directed to loving kindness and compassion for all 
> >>living
> >>beings.  No "dark arts" at all.   No mystery about it.   Where on earth 
> >>are
> >>you getting your information?  From the peoples republic of china?
> >>Certainly you are getting incorrect information.
> >
> > Well, that only shows how ignorant you are. There are a lot
> > literatures on the net exposing the evil practice of Tibetan Buddhism
> > very graphically. Too bad they are all written in Chinese. Let me tell
> > you, it's something far worse than western hardcore porn. Just to give
> > you an idea.
> 
> This was German...
> 
> http://www.trimondi.de/SDLE/Contents.htm 

That was an interesting article. How did you find it? If through Google,
what words did you Google on?

In that article, the Tibet of old looks a lot like medieval Europe, with
intriguing rulers, oppressed peasants, cruel punishments and lots of
superstition.

That article notwithstanding, I still find it odd that Tibetan Buddhism
in Tibet (as described in the article and by Feng) seems to differ so
much from Tibetan Buddhism as it is practiced in the West. One
difference: I don't think for a moment that the Tibetan Buddhists on
these boards would approve of torturing thieves almost to death and then
leave them to fend for themselves, or cutting off their arms or other
appendages, and yet the lamas of Tibet were said to do this and then
yawn. There is some incongruity here.

What happened to all the cruel and power-hungry lamas who were in Tibet?
Are they banned from teaching in the west, or have they all been
apprehended by chinese troops and made to answer for their crimes, or
what? I mean, why can't I spot more of this medieval viciousness in the
usenet posts from Tibetan Buddhists? (At least no more than in posts
from any other kind of Buddhist)

Also, Dalai Lama himself doesn't come across as a cruel or unreasonable
dictator. And he seems sincere when he says he wants people to be kind
to each other. Am I supposed to believe that's all just acting?

S.

On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 21:18:04 GMT, Sevenhundred Elves
<sevenhundred@elves.invalid> wrote:

>Julian wrote:
>
>> "Feng"  wrote .
>> > "Evelyn Ruut" :
>> 
>> >>Well Feng my boy, I can tell you that you are wrong.   ALL tibetan 
>> >>practices
>> >>are based upon and directed to loving kindness and compassion for all 
>> >>living
>> >>beings.  No "dark arts" at all.   No mystery about it.   Where on earth 
>> >>are
>> >>you getting your information?  From the peoples republic of china?
>> >>Certainly you are getting incorrect information.
>> >
>> > Well, that only shows how ignorant you are. There are a lot
>> > literatures on the net exposing the evil practice of Tibetan Buddhism
>> > very graphically. Too bad they are all written in Chinese. Let me tell
>> > you, it's something far worse than western hardcore porn. Just to give
>> > you an idea.
>> 
>> This was German...
>> 
>> http://www.trimondi.de/SDLE/Contents.htm 
>
>That was an interesting article. How did you find it? If through Google,
>what words did you Google on?
>
>In that article, the Tibet of old looks a lot like medieval Europe, with
>intriguing rulers, oppressed peasants, cruel punishments and lots of
>superstition.
>
>That article notwithstanding, I still find it odd that Tibetan Buddhism
>in Tibet (as described in the article and by Feng) seems to differ so
>much from Tibetan Buddhism as it is practiced in the West. One
>difference: I don't think for a moment that the Tibetan Buddhists on
>these boards would approve of torturing thieves almost to death and then
>leave them to fend for themselves, or cutting off their arms or other
>appendages, and yet the lamas of Tibet were said to do this and then
>yawn. There is some incongruity here.
>
>What happened to all the cruel and power-hungry lamas who were in Tibet?
>Are they banned from teaching in the west, or have they all been
>apprehended by chinese troops and made to answer for their crimes, or
>what? I mean, why can't I spot more of this medieval viciousness in the
>usenet posts from Tibetan Buddhists? (At least no more than in posts
>from any other kind of Buddhist)
>
>Also, Dalai Lama himself doesn't come across as a cruel or unreasonable
>dictator. And he seems sincere when he says he wants people to be kind
>to each other. Am I supposed to believe that's all just acting?
>
>S.

Absolutely, you are supposed to believe that is all just acting
because you can only see how they act in facing the western public,
you can never see how they actually live behind the closed doors.

Every time they open their doors, to them it's only a staged public
show exactly like what they have always been doing for hundreds of
years during their temple ceremony.

On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:57:18 -0400, "Evelyn Ruut"
 wrote:

>
>
>"Sevenhundred Elves" <sevenhundred@elves.invalid> wrote in message 
>news:gOhGi.8644$ZA.4488@newsb.telia.net...
>> Julian wrote:
>>
>>> "Feng"  wrote .
>>> > "Evelyn Ruut" :
>>>
>>> >>Well Feng my boy, I can tell you that you are wrong.   ALL tibetan
>>> >>practices
>>> >>are based upon and directed to loving kindness and compassion for all
>>> >>living
>>> >>beings.  No "dark arts" at all.   No mystery about it.   Where on earth
>>> >>are
>>> >>you getting your information?  From the peoples republic of china?
>>> >>Certainly you are getting incorrect information.
>>> >
>>> > Well, that only shows how ignorant you are. There are a lot
>>> > literatures on the net exposing the evil practice of Tibetan Buddhism
>>> > very graphically. Too bad they are all written in Chinese. Let me tell
>>> > you, it's something far worse than western hardcore porn. Just to give
>>> > you an idea.
>>>
>>> This was German...
>>>
>>> http://www.trimondi.de/SDLE/Contents.htm
>>
>> That was an interesting article. How did you find it? If through Google,
>> what words did you Google on?
>>
>> In that article, the Tibet of old looks a lot like medieval Europe, with
>> intriguing rulers, oppressed peasants, cruel punishments and lots of
>> superstition.
>>
>> That article notwithstanding, I still find it odd that Tibetan Buddhism
>> in Tibet (as described in the article and by Feng) seems to differ so
>> much from Tibetan Buddhism as it is practiced in the West. One
>> difference: I don't think for a moment that the Tibetan Buddhists on
>> these boards would approve of torturing thieves almost to death and then
>> leave them to fend for themselves, or cutting off their arms or other
>> appendages, and yet the lamas of Tibet were said to do this and then
>> yawn. There is some incongruity here.
>>
>> What happened to all the cruel and power-hungry lamas who were in Tibet?
>> Are they banned from teaching in the west, or have they all been
>> apprehended by chinese troops and made to answer for their crimes, or
>> what? I mean, why can't I spot more of this medieval viciousness in the
>> usenet posts from Tibetan Buddhists? (At least no more than in posts
>> from any other kind of Buddhist)
>>
>> Also, Dalai Lama himself doesn't come across as a cruel or unreasonable
>> dictator. And he seems sincere when he says he wants people to be kind
>> to each other. Am I supposed to believe that's all just acting?
>>
>> S.
>
>
>Hi 700 E,
>
>Realize that there are people out there with an agenda to spread the very 
>worst propaganda they can.   Believe what you see, hear, and experience for 
>yourself, not the propaganda mills' garbage.

Aren't you doing propaganda yourself in the face of irrefutable
contradicting facts?

>
>The Dalai Lama got the Nobel peace prize for a good reason.  He absolutely 
>advocates non violence and peace.

Not really. It's all just a ceremonial script written for him to read
in front of the western media. There is nothing he has done whatsoever
that deserves Nobel peace prize. His Nobel prize is just west
humiliation to the government of China. It's a shame and nothing more.

   He teaches loving kindness and 
>compassion for all living beings,

Nothing but a public show. It doesn't worth shit. 

 as do the Nyingma, Gelugpa, Kagyu and 
>Sakya schools of buddhism, which are all represented well in the West, along 
>with the various Zennies and the Theravadins.
>
>Yet even all of these have had their occasional odd wackos and bad apples. 
>Why is that?
>
>It is because human beings will be what human beings will be, catholic, 
>protestant, buddhist, jewish, whatever.   They preach one thing and do 
>another.   Everybody knows that 'the flesh is weak.'

The flesh is weak, but in the case of Tibetan Lamas, the flesh is an
abomination.

>
>There are always people who will believe the worst, and will jump on any 
>bandwagon coming through town.   They like the drama and the excitement, the 
>'specialness' of being the whistleblower, of being different.   As though 
>they had some special knowledge.   So they dug up a website by a hate monger 
>and act like they know something.   It is a play for attention.   Look at 
>me!!!!!  Only the great *I* know the truth!!!! believe them and you fall 
>into their ego games.   Keep a cool head and decide for yourself.

Now you are trying to smear the facts. Do you think nobody can see
what you are really doing?

>
>But how does one discover where the truth lies?   I have been studying and 
>reading for a lot of years now, and I have heard pretty much all of it, and 
>without a doubt, some of it is really bad stuff.   People are what people 
>will be, and there will always be some who victimize others in every way 
>possible.    They do it because they can.
>
>There are dirt bags everywhere, in every religion and in every country. 
>Like I always say, it is a human problem not a religion problem.   A 
>'stiffie' has no conscience.   There's always an agenda running under it 
>all, and that agenda will lead them down any road, to do any thing.   We are 
>all vulnerable.  We are all schemers.
>
>The dharma is genuinely above all of human nonsense, because it is personal, 
>and is best evidenced in an individuals own life.    Buddha saw all the 
>human shit too, and he set up his dharma to be able to rise above it, and 
>yet, even still, crap has taken place under the banner of dharma.   People 
>operate with various psychological or physical currencies.  Fame, sex, 
>money, you name it.......

Please stop trying to cover for Tibetan Lamas. It makes you look
awkward.

>
>Buddha knew all this and yet he tried, because he genuinely cared about 
>living beings, skanky rotten as we all are.   And this has made his wisdom 
>special 2500 years plus, down the road.

And you should be ashamed of yourself for using Buddha's name to cover
for the Beasts.

>
>Never forget what he said  ...... "What, and what they think, it is 
>otherwise."

In the case of Tibetan Lamas, what they act in public, and what they
do behind closed doors, it is otherwise.

Feng dared to assert:

> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:57:18 -0400, "Evelyn Ruut"
>  wrote:
> 
>>
>>
>>"Sevenhundred Elves" <sevenhundred@elves.invalid> wrote in message 
>>news:gOhGi.8644$ZA.4488@newsb.telia.net...
>>> Julian wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Feng"  wrote .
>>>> > "Evelyn Ruut" :
>>>>
>>>> >>Well Feng my boy, I can tell you that you are wrong.   ALL
>>>> >>tibetan practices
>>>> >>are based upon and directed to loving kindness and compassion for
>>>> >>all living
>>>> >>beings.  No "dark arts" at all.   No mystery about it.   Where on
>>>> >>earth are
>>>> >>you getting your information?  From the peoples republic of
>>>> >>china? Certainly you are getting incorrect information.
>>>> >
>>>> > Well, that only shows how ignorant you are. There are a lot
>>>> > literatures on the net exposing the evil practice of Tibetan
>>>> > Buddhism very graphically. Too bad they are all written in
>>>> > Chinese. Let me tell you, it's something far worse than western
>>>> > hardcore porn. Just to give you an idea.
>>>>
>>>> This was German...
>>>>
>>>> http://www.trimondi.de/SDLE/Contents.htm
>>>
>>> That was an interesting article. How did you find it? If through
>>> Google, what words did you Google on?
>>>
>>> In that article, the Tibet of old looks a lot like medieval Europe,
>>> with intriguing rulers, oppressed peasants, cruel punishments and
>>> lots of superstition.
>>>
>>> That article notwithstanding, I still find it odd that Tibetan
>>> Buddhism in Tibet (as described in the article and by Feng) seems to
>>> differ so much from Tibetan Buddhism as it is practiced in the West.
>>> One difference: I don't think for a moment that the Tibetan
>>> Buddhists on these boards would approve of torturing thieves almost
>>> to death and then leave them to fend for themselves, or cutting off
>>> their arms or other appendages, and yet the lamas of Tibet were said
>>> to do this and then yawn. There is some incongruity here.
>>>
>>> What happened to all the cruel and power-hungry lamas who were in
>>> Tibet? Are they banned from teaching in the west, or have they all
>>> been apprehended by chinese troops and made to answer for their
>>> crimes, or what? I mean, why can't I spot more of this medieval
>>> viciousness in the usenet posts from Tibetan Buddhists? (At least no
>>> more than in posts from any other kind of Buddhist)
>>>
>>> Also, Dalai Lama himself doesn't come across as a cruel or
>>> unreasonable dictator. And he seems sincere when he says he wants
>>> people to be kind to each other. Am I supposed to believe that's all
>>> just acting? 
>>>
>>> S.
>>
>>
>>Hi 700 E,
>>
>>Realize that there are people out there with an agenda to spread the
>>very worst propaganda they can.   Believe what you see, hear, and
>>experience for yourself, not the propaganda mills' garbage.
> 
> Aren't you doing propaganda yourself in the face of irrefutable
> contradicting facts?
> 
>>
>>The Dalai Lama got the Nobel peace prize for a good reason.  He
>>absolutely advocates non violence and peace.
> 
> Not really. It's all just a ceremonial script written for him to read
> in front of the western media. There is nothing he has done whatsoever
> that deserves Nobel peace prize. His Nobel prize is just west
> humiliation to the government of China. It's a shame and nothing more.
> 
>    He teaches loving kindness and 
>>compassion for all living beings,
> 
> Nothing but a public show. It doesn't worth shit. 
> 

and your public show of demonizing him and the tibetans
is honorable and good?  and his public show of promoting
forgiveness to the PRC after what they did to his country
is evil?

up is down and black is white.  welcome to absfg, Alice
 



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 rfuller@freeway.net                  rfuller@gtlakes.com

if you and the universe are going in the same direction
you will find that the whole world conspires for your 
benefit.

On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:02:46 -0000, Ron Fuller 
wrote:

>Feng dared to assert:
>
>> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:57:18 -0400, "Evelyn Ruut"
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>"Sevenhundred Elves" <sevenhundred@elves.invalid> wrote in message 
>>>news:gOhGi.8644$ZA.4488@newsb.telia.net...
>>>> Julian wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Feng"  wrote .
>>>>> > "Evelyn Ruut" :
>>>>>
>>>>> >>Well Feng my boy, I can tell you that you are wrong.   ALL
>>>>> >>tibetan practices
>>>>> >>are based upon and directed to loving kindness and compassion for
>>>>> >>all living
>>>>> >>beings.  No "dark arts" at all.   No mystery about it.   Where on
>>>>> >>earth are
>>>>> >>you getting your information?  From the peoples republic of
>>>>> >>china? Certainly you are getting incorrect information.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Well, that only shows how ignorant you are. There are a lot
>>>>> > literatures on the net exposing the evil practice of Tibetan
>>>>> > Buddhism very graphically. Too bad they are all written in
>>>>> > Chinese. Let me tell you, it's something far worse than western
>>>>> > hardcore porn. Just to give you an idea.
>>>>>
>>>>> This was German...
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.trimondi.de/SDLE/Contents.htm
>>>>
>>>> That was an interesting article. How did you find it? If through
>>>> Google, what words did you Google on?
>>>>
>>>> In that article, the Tibet of old looks a lot like medieval Europe,
>>>> with intriguing rulers, oppressed peasants, cruel punishments and
>>>> lots of superstition.
>>>>
>>>> That article notwithstanding, I still find it odd that Tibetan
>>>> Buddhism in Tibet (as described in the article and by Feng) seems to
>>>> differ so much from Tibetan Buddhism as it is practiced in the West.
>>>> One difference: I don't think for a moment that the Tibetan
>>>> Buddhists on these boards would approve of torturing thieves almost
>>>> to death and then leave them to fend for themselves, or cutting off
>>>> their arms or other appendages, and yet the lamas of Tibet were said
>>>> to do this and then yawn. There is some incongruity here.
>>>>
>>>> What happened to all the cruel and power-hungry lamas who were in
>>>> Tibet? Are they banned from teaching in the west, or have they all
>>>> been apprehended by chinese troops and made to answer for their
>>>> crimes, or what? I mean, why can't I spot more of this medieval
>>>> viciousness in the usenet posts from Tibetan Buddhists? (At least no
>>>> more than in posts from any other kind of Buddhist)
>>>>
>>>> Also, Dalai Lama himself doesn't come across as a cruel or
>>>> unreasonable dictator. And he seems sincere when he says he wants
>>>> people to be kind to each other. Am I supposed to believe that's all
>>>> just acting? 
>>>>
>>>> S.
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi 700 E,
>>>
>>>Realize that there are people out there with an agenda to spread the
>>>very worst propaganda they can.   Believe what you see, hear, and
>>>experience for yourself, not the propaganda mills' garbage.
>> 
>> Aren't you doing propaganda yourself in the face of irrefutable
>> contradicting facts?
>> 
>>>
>>>The Dalai Lama got the Nobel peace prize for a good reason.  He
>>>absolutely advocates non violence and peace.
>> 
>> Not really. It's all just a ceremonial script written for him to read
>> in front of the western media. There is nothing he has done whatsoever
>> that deserves Nobel peace prize. His Nobel prize is just west
>> humiliation to the government of China. It's a shame and nothing more.
>> 
>>    He teaches loving kindness and 
>>>compassion for all living beings,
>> 
>> Nothing but a public show. It doesn't worth shit. 
>> 
>
>and your public show of demonizing him and the tibetans
>is honorable and good?  and his public show of promoting
>forgiveness to the PRC after what they did to his country
>is evil?

I don't demonize anyone, I only expose the evil one. The Communist
liberated the Tibetan salves and kicked the slave-owner out. What can
the slave-owner do? Promoting forgiveness to the Communist for
destroying his evil tyranny over the Tibetans. You think that's public
show of goodness? How stupid are you?

>
>up is down and black is white.  welcome to absfg, Alice

Right, up is down and black is white, that's a perfect description for
you.

> 
>
>
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> rfuller@freeway.net                  rfuller@gtlakes.com
>
>if you and the universe are going in the same direction
>you will find that the whole world conspires for your 
>benefit.

Feng dared to assert:

> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:02:46 -0000, Ron Fuller 
> wrote:
> 
>>Feng dared to assert:
>>
>>> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:57:18 -0400, "Evelyn Ruut"
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Sevenhundred Elves" <sevenhundred@elves.invalid> wrote in message 
>>>>news:gOhGi.8644$ZA.4488@newsb.telia.net...
>>>>> Julian wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Feng"  wrote .
>>>>>> > "Evelyn Ruut" :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>Well Feng my boy, I can tell you that you are wrong.   ALL
>>>>>> >>tibetan practices
>>>>>> >>are based upon and directed to loving kindness and compassion for
>>>>>> >>all living
>>>>>> >>beings.  No "dark arts" at all.   No mystery about it.   Where on
>>>>>> >>earth are
>>>>>> >>you getting your information?  From the peoples republic of
>>>>>> >>china? Certainly you are getting incorrect information.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Well, that only shows how ignorant you are. There are a lot
>>>>>> > literatures on the net exposing the evil practice of Tibetan
>>>>>> > Buddhism very graphically. Too bad they are all written in
>>>>>> > Chinese. Let me tell you, it's something far worse than western
>>>>>> > hardcore porn. Just to give you an idea.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This was German...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.trimondi.de/SDLE/Contents.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> That was an interesting article. How did you find it? If through
>>>>> Google, what words did you Google on?
>>>>>
>>>>> In that article, the Tibet of old looks a lot like medieval Europe,
>>>>> with intriguing rulers, oppressed peasants, cruel punishments and
>>>>> lots of superstition.
>>>>>
>>>>> That article notwithstanding, I still find it odd that Tibetan
>>>>> Buddhism in Tibet (as described in the article and by Feng) seems to
>>>>> differ so much from Tibetan Buddhism as it is practiced in the West.
>>>>> One difference: I don't think for a moment that the Tibetan
>>>>> Buddhists on these boards would approve of torturing thieves almost
>>>>> to death and then leave them to fend for themselves, or cutting off
>>>>> their arms or other appendages, and yet the lamas of Tibet were said
>>>>> to do this and then yawn. There is some incongruity here.
>>>>>
>>>>> What happened to all the cruel and power-hungry lamas who were in
>>>>> Tibet? Are they banned from teaching in the west, or have they all
>>>>> been apprehended by chinese troops and made to answer for their
>>>>> crimes, or what? I mean, why can't I spot more of this medieval
>>>>> viciousness in the usenet posts from Tibetan Buddhists? (At least no
>>>>> more than in posts from any other kind of Buddhist)
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, Dalai Lama himself doesn't come across as a cruel or
>>>>> unreasonable dictator. And he seems sincere when he says he wants
>>>>> people to be kind to each other. Am I supposed to believe that's all
>>>>> just acting? 
>>>>>
>>>>> S.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hi 700 E,
>>>>
>>>>Realize that there are people out there with an agenda to spread the
>>>>very worst propaganda they can.   Believe what you see, hear, and
>>>>experience for yourself, not the propaganda mills' garbage.
>>> 
>>> Aren't you doing propaganda yourself in the face of irrefutable
>>> contradicting facts?
>>> 
>>>>
>>>>The Dalai Lama got the Nobel peace prize for a good reason.  He
>>>>absolutely advocates non violence and peace.
>>> 
>>> Not really. It's all just a ceremonial script written for him to read
>>> in front of the western media. There is nothing he has done whatsoever
>>> that deserves Nobel peace prize. His Nobel prize is just west
>>> humiliation to the government of China. It's a shame and nothing more.
>>> 
>>>    He teaches loving kindness and 
>>>>compassion for all living beings,
>>> 
>>> Nothing but a public show. It doesn't worth shit. 
>>> 
>>
>>and your public show of demonizing him and the tibetans
>>is honorable and good?  and his public show of promoting
>>forgiveness to the PRC after what they did to his country
>>is evil?
> 
> I don't demonize anyone, I only expose the evil one. The Communist
> liberated the Tibetan salves and kicked the slave-owner out. What can
> the slave-owner do? Promoting forgiveness to the Communist for
> destroying his evil tyranny over the Tibetans. You think that's public
> show of goodness? How stupid are you?
> 
>>
>>up is down and black is white.  welcome to absfg, Alice
> 
> Right, up is down and black is white, that's a perfect description for
> you.
> 

i can accept the possibility that the past of tibet was 
sometimes unseemly.  can you accept the possibility that
your take on this is just a bunch of lies your government
constructed as an excuse for what they did?  this would
not be the sole instance where the PRC did something 
despicable and twisted the facts to cover it up for their
people.  why do you think they go to such lengths to keep
their people from reading events in foreign news?


 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 rfuller@freeway.net                  rfuller@gtlakes.com

if you and the universe are going in the same direction
you will find that the whole world conspires for your 
benefit.

On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:58:11 -0000, Ron Fuller 
wrote:

>Feng dared to assert:
>
>> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 13:02:46 -0000, Ron Fuller 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>>Feng dared to assert:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:57:18 -0400, "Evelyn Ruut"
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Sevenhundred Elves" <sevenhundred@elves.invalid> wrote in message 
>>>>>news:gOhGi.8644$ZA.4488@newsb.telia.net...
>>>>>> Julian wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Feng"  wrote .
>>>>>>> > "Evelyn Ruut" :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> >>Well Feng my boy, I can tell you that you are wrong.   ALL
>>>>>>> >>tibetan practices
>>>>>>> >>are based upon and directed to loving kindness and compassion for
>>>>>>> >>all living
>>>>>>> >>beings.  No "dark arts" at all.   No mystery about it.   Where on
>>>>>>> >>earth are
>>>>>>> >>you getting your information?  From the peoples republic of
>>>>>>> >>china? Certainly you are getting incorrect information.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Well, that only shows how ignorant you are. There are a lot
>>>>>>> > literatures on the net exposing the evil practice of Tibetan
>>>>>>> > Buddhism very graphically. Too bad they are all written in
>>>>>>> > Chinese. Let me tell you, it's something far worse than western
>>>>>>> > hardcore porn. Just to give you an idea.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This was German...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.trimondi.de/SDLE/Contents.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That was an interesting article. How did you find it? If through
>>>>>> Google, what words did you Google on?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In that article, the Tibet of old looks a lot like medieval Europe,
>>>>>> with intriguing rulers, oppressed peasants, cruel punishments and
>>>>>> lots of superstition.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That article notwithstanding, I still find it odd that Tibetan
>>>>>> Buddhism in Tibet (as described in the article and by Feng) seems to
>>>>>> differ so much from Tibetan Buddhism as it is practiced in the West.
>>>>>> One difference: I don't think for a moment that the Tibetan
>>>>>> Buddhists on these boards would approve of torturing thieves almost
>>>>>> to death and then leave them to fend for themselves, or cutting off
>>>>>> their arms or other appendages, and yet the lamas of Tibet were said
>>>>>> to do this and then yawn. There is some incongruity here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What happened to all the cruel and power-hungry lamas who were in
>>>>>> Tibet? Are they banned from teaching in the west, or have they all
>>>>>> been apprehended by chinese troops and made to answer for their
>>>>>> crimes, or what? I mean, why can't I spot more of this medieval
>>>>>> viciousness in the usenet posts from Tibetan Buddhists? (At least no
>>>>>> more than in posts from any other kind of Buddhist)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, Dalai Lama himself doesn't come across as a cruel or
>>>>>> unreasonable dictator. And he seems sincere when he says he wants
>>>>>> people to be kind to each other. Am I supposed to believe that's all
>>>>>> just acting? 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> S.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi 700 E,
>>>>>
>>>>>Realize that there are people out there with an agenda to spread the
>>>>>very worst propaganda they can.   Believe what you see, hear, and
>>>>>experience for yourself, not the propaganda mills' garbage.
>>>> 
>>>> Aren't you doing propaganda yourself in the face of irrefutable
>>>> contradicting facts?
>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>The Dalai Lama got the Nobel peace prize for a good reason.  He
>>>>>absolutely advocates non violence and peace.
>>>> 
>>>> Not really. It's all just a ceremonial script written for him to read
>>>> in front of the western media. There is nothing he has done whatsoever
>>>> that deserves Nobel peace prize. His Nobel prize is just west
>>>> humiliation to the government of China. It's a shame and nothing more.
>>>> 
>>>>    He teaches loving kindness and 
>>>>>compassion for all living beings,
>>>> 
>>>> Nothing but a public show. It doesn't worth shit. 
>>>> 
>>>
>>>and your public show of demonizing him and the tibetans
>>>is honorable and good?  and his public show of promoting
>>>forgiveness to the PRC after what they did to his country
>>>is evil?
>> 
>> I don't demonize anyone, I only expose the evil one. The Communist
>> liberated the Tibetan salves and kicked the slave-owner out. What can
>> the slave-owner do? Promoting forgiveness to the Communist for
>> destroying his evil tyranny over the Tibetans. You think that's public
>> show of goodness? How stupid are you?
>> 
>>>
>>>up is down and black is white.  welcome to absfg, Alice
>> 
>> Right, up is down and black is white, that's a perfect description for
>> you.
>> 
>
>i can accept the possibility that the past of tibet was 
>sometimes unseemly.

My point on the issue of Tibetan Buddhism is not political. It's
entirely spiritual and I support the political self determination of
the people of Tibet. It's just I refuse to recognize Dalai Lama as the
representative of Tibetan people. He is a slave owner and a Satanic
Cult leader. He has no place in determining the future of Tibetan
people.

  can you accept the possibility that
>your take on this is just a bunch of lies your government
>constructed as an excuse for what they did?  this would
>not be the sole instance where the PRC did something 
>despicable and twisted the facts to cover it up for their
>people.  why do you think they go to such lengths to keep
>their people from reading events in foreign news?
>
>
> 
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> rfuller@freeway.net                  rfuller@gtlakes.com
>
>if you and the universe are going in the same direction
>you will find that the whole world conspires for your 
>benefit.

Feng wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:58:11 -0000, Ron Fuller 
> wrote:

> >i can accept the possibility that the past of tibet was
> >sometimes unseemly.
> 
> My point on the issue of Tibetan Buddhism is not political. It's
> entirely spiritual and I support the political self determination of
> the people of Tibet. It's just I refuse to recognize Dalai Lama as the
> representative of Tibetan people. He is a slave owner and a Satanic
> Cult leader. He has no place in determining the future of Tibetan
> people.

Wrong every people has its Spiritual Leader to Begin.
America had Washington for examp.
Slaves to such people were like Christians in essence willing.
They gave themselves to the Ruler for protection and assistance.

On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 22:40:18 -0800, Lady Azure 
wrote:

>Feng wrote:
>> 
>> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:58:11 -0000, Ron Fuller 
>> wrote:
>
>> >i can accept the possibility that the past of tibet was
>> >sometimes unseemly.
>> 
>> My point on the issue of Tibetan Buddhism is not political. It's
>> entirely spiritual and I support the political self determination of
>> the people of Tibet. It's just I refuse to recognize Dalai Lama as the
>> representative of Tibetan people. He is a slave owner and a Satanic
>> Cult leader. He has no place in determining the future of Tibetan
>> people.
>
>Wrong every people has its Spiritual Leader to Begin.
>America had Washington for examp.
>Slaves to such people were like Christians in essence willing.
>They gave themselves to the Ruler for protection and assistance.

This rebellious slave does not agree.

Feng wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 22:40:18 -0800, Lady Azure 
> wrote:
> 
> >Feng wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:58:11 -0000, Ron Fuller 
> >> wrote:
> >
> >> >i can accept the possibility that the past of tibet was
> >> >sometimes unseemly.
> >>
> >> My point on the issue of Tibetan Buddhism is not political. It's
> >> entirely spiritual and I support the political self determination of
> >> the people of Tibet. It's just I refuse to recognize Dalai Lama as the
> >> representative of Tibetan people. He is a slave owner and a Satanic
> >> Cult leader. He has no place in determining the future of Tibetan
> >> people.
> >
> >Wrong every people has its Spiritual Leader to Begin.
> >America had Washington for examp.
> >Slaves to such people were like Christians in essence willing.
> >They gave themselves to the Ruler for protection and assistance.
> 
> This rebellious slave does not agree.

Few do, none stand agape today.
We threw the Sovereigns out with the bath water, but somehow the
"PRETENDERS" took over.
At least the True Stuarts were bound by oath before Man and God.
These suckers answer to nobody.

On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:58:33 -0800, Lady Azure 
wrote:

>Feng wrote:
>> 
>> On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 22:40:18 -0800, Lady Azure 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >Feng wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:58:11 -0000, Ron Fuller 
>> >> wrote:
>> >
>> >> >i can accept the possibility that the past of tibet was
>> >> >sometimes unseemly.
>> >>
>> >> My point on the issue of Tibetan Buddhism is not political. It's
>> >> entirely spiritual and I support the political self determination of
>> >> the people of Tibet. It's just I refuse to recognize Dalai Lama as the
>> >> representative of Tibetan people. He is a slave owner and a Satanic
>> >> Cult leader. He has no place in determining the future of Tibetan
>> >> people.
>> >
>> >Wrong every people has its Spiritual Leader to Begin.
>> >America had Washington for examp.
>> >Slaves to such people were like Christians in essence willing.
>> >They gave themselves to the Ruler for protection and assistance.
>> 
>> This rebellious slave does not agree.
>
>Few do, none stand agape today.
>We threw the Sovereigns out with the bath water, but somehow the
>"PRETENDERS" took over.
>At least the True Stuarts were bound by oath before Man and God.
>These suckers answer to nobody.

Too bad for you since you have no place to decide the issues of former
slaves. It's their rights and their interests. It's none of your
business, and neither is it any business of the Devil in flesh whom
you call "Sovereign?".

Feng wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:58:33 -0800, Lady Azure 
> wrote:
> 
> >Feng wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 22:40:18 -0800, Lady Azure 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Feng wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 17:58:11 -0000, Ron Fuller 
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> >i can accept the possibility that the past of tibet was
> >> >> >sometimes unseemly.
> >> >>
> >> >> My point on the issue of Tibetan Buddhism is not political. It's
> >> >> entirely spiritual and I support the political self determination of
> >> >> the people of Tibet. It's just I refuse to recognize Dalai Lama as the
> >> >> representative of Tibetan people. He is a slave owner and a Satanic
> >> >> Cult leader. He has no place in determining the future of Tibetan
> >> >> people.
> >> >
> >> >Wrong every people has its Spiritual Leader to Begin.
> >> >America had Washington for examp.
> >> >Slaves to such people were like Christians in essence willing.
> >> >They gave themselves to the Ruler for protection and assistance.
> >>
> >> This rebellious slave does not agree.
> >
> >Few do, none stand agape today.
> >We threw the Sovereigns out with the bath water, but somehow the
> >"PRETENDERS" took over.
> >At least the True Stuarts were bound by oath before Man and God.
> >These suckers answer to nobody.
> 
> Too bad for you since you have no place to decide the issues of former
> slaves. It's their rights and their interests. It's none of your
> business, and neither is it any business of the Devil in flesh whom
> you call "Sovereign?".

Wanna Bet.
That which you claim to be the "Devil in the Flesh", according to the
teachings, is ME.
I am the Beast!

On 9/13/07 4:18 PM, in article gOhGi.8644$ZA.4488@newsb.telia.net,
"Sevenhundred Elves" <sevenhundred@elves.invalid> wrote:

> That was an interesting article. How did you find it? If through Google,
> what words did you Google on?
> 
> In that article, the Tibet of old looks a lot like medieval Europe, with
> intriguing rulers, oppressed peasants, cruel punishments and lots of
> superstition.
> 
> That article notwithstanding, I still find it odd that Tibetan Buddhism
> in Tibet (as described in the article and by Feng) seems to differ so
> much from Tibetan Buddhism as it is practiced in the West. One
> difference: I don't think for a moment that the Tibetan Buddhists on
> these boards would approve of torturing thieves almost to death and then
> leave them to fend for themselves, or cutting off their arms or other
> appendages, and yet the lamas of Tibet were said to do this and then
> yawn. There is some incongruity here.
> 
> What happened to all the cruel and power-hungry lamas who were in Tibet?
> Are they banned from teaching in the west, or have they all been
> apprehended by chinese troops and made to answer for their crimes, or
> what? I mean, why can't I spot more of this medieval viciousness in the
> usenet posts from Tibetan Buddhists? (At least no more than in posts
> from any other kind of Buddhist)
> 
> Also, Dalai Lama himself doesn't come across as a cruel or unreasonable
> dictator. And he seems sincere when he says he wants people to be kind
> to each other. Am I supposed to believe that's all just acting?


The Trimondi's are Opus Dei ops.

Global Moderator wrote:
> 
> On 9/13/07 4:18 PM, in article gOhGi.8644$ZA.4488@newsb.telia.net,
> "Sevenhundred Elves" <sevenhundred@elves.invalid> wrote:
> 
> > That was an interesting article. How did you find it? If through Google,
> > what words did you Google on?
> >
> > In that article, the Tibet of old looks a lot like medieval Europe, with
> > intriguing rulers, oppressed peasants, cruel punishments and lots of
> > superstition.
> >
> > That article notwithstanding, I still find it odd that Tibetan Buddhism
> > in Tibet (as described in the article and by Feng) seems to differ so
> > much from Tibetan Buddhism as it is practiced in the West. One
> > difference: I don't think for a moment that the Tibetan Buddhists on
> > these boards would approve of torturing thieves almost to death and then
> > leave them to fend for themselves, or cutting off their arms or other
> > appendages, and yet the lamas of Tibet were said to do this and then
> > yawn. There is some incongruity here.
> >
> > What happened to all the cruel and power-hungry lamas who were in Tibet?
> > Are they banned from teaching in the west, or have they all been
> > apprehended by chinese troops and made to answer for their crimes, or
> > what? I mean, why can't I spot more of this medieval viciousness in the
> > usenet posts from Tibetan Buddhists? (At least no more than in posts
> > from any other kind of Buddhist)
> >
> > Also, Dalai Lama himself doesn't come across as a cruel or unreasonable
> > dictator. And he seems sincere when he says he wants people to be kind
> > to each other. Am I supposed to believe that's all just acting?
> 
> The Trimondi's are Opus Dei ops.

Opus Dei spreads Chaos that is for sure.
People might find out the truth otherwise.