"roky"  wrote
> :
>> roky wrote:
>> >  liaM  :
>> > > > The only way to know the difference between life and death is to
>> > > > transcend the Ego in Enlightenment. It is said that at the moment 
>> > > > of
>> > > > physical death there exists the possibility to transcend the Ego 
>> > > > and
>> > > > become Enlightened.
>>
>> > > > Rokysh
>>
>> > > Sorry roky.. U're asking to know the unknowable.  Your fingers
>> > > are much too thick to grasp, let alone, pick up such evanescent
>> > > subjects.  So there you go pushing concepts around senselessly !
>>
>> > You are defeated by your own lies! The unknowable is not known but
>> > intuited. I was reborn through intuition. Rebirth is a form of
>> > Enlightenment.
>> > Born once,twice, three times again.-G Vidal.
>> > Rokyshi
>>
>> no one really knows what happens after you die. you find out when you
>> die. that's the unknown everyone is afraid of, because no one really,
>> truly knows. it's all just a guess.
>
> Well I have met the Extraordinary Enlightened God Man and He did
> radiate what appeared to be Divine Grace.

Name, rank and serial number?

"Julian"  wrote in message 
news:X7udnadJDa-r3UfbnZ2dnUVZ8sqjnZ2d@bt.com...
> "roky"  wrote
>> :
>>> roky wrote:
>>> >  liaM  :
>>> > > > The only way to know the difference between life and death 
>>> > > > is to
>>> > > > transcend the Ego in Enlightenment. It is said that at the 
>>> > > > moment of
>>> > > > physical death there exists the possibility to transcend the 
>>> > > > Ego and
>>> > > > become Enlightened.
>>>
>>> > > > Rokysh
>>>
>>> > > Sorry roky.. U're asking to know the unknowable.  Your fingers
>>> > > are much too thick to grasp, let alone, pick up such 
>>> > > evanescent
>>> > > subjects.  So there you go pushing concepts around senselessly 
>>> > > !
>>>
>>> > You are defeated by your own lies! The unknowable is not known 
>>> > but
>>> > intuited. I was reborn through intuition. Rebirth is a form of
>>> > Enlightenment.
>>> > Born once,twice, three times again.-G Vidal.
>>> > Rokyshi
>>>
>>> no one really knows what happens after you die. you find out when 
>>> you
>>> die. that's the unknown everyone is afraid of, because no one 
>>> really,
>>> truly knows. it's all just a guess.
>>
>> Well I have met the Extraordinary Enlightened God Man and He did
>> radiate what appeared to be Divine Grace.
>
> Name, rank and serial number?
HH IVX Dalai Lama induced devotion in me at Manchester Free Trade 
Hall.

"Spencer ©¿©¬"  wrote in message 
news:5jv6lmF1d350U1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "Julian"  wrote in message 
> news:X7udnadJDa-r3UfbnZ2dnUVZ8sqjnZ2d@bt.com...
>> "roky"  wrote
>>> :
>>>> roky wrote:
>>>> >  liaM  :
>>>> > > > The only way to know the difference between life and death is to
>>>> > > > transcend the Ego in Enlightenment. It is said that at the moment 
>>>> > > > of
>>>> > > > physical death there exists the possibility to transcend the Ego 
>>>> > > > and
>>>> > > > become Enlightened.
>>>>
>>>> > > > Rokysh
>>>>
>>>> > > Sorry roky.. U're asking to know the unknowable.  Your fingers
>>>> > > are much too thick to grasp, let alone, pick up such evanescent
>>>> > > subjects.  So there you go pushing concepts around senselessly !
>>>>
>>>> > You are defeated by your own lies! The unknowable is not known but
>>>> > intuited. I was reborn through intuition. Rebirth is a form of
>>>> > Enlightenment.
>>>> > Born once,twice, three times again.-G Vidal.
>>>> > Rokyshi
>>>>
>>>> no one really knows what happens after you die. you find out when you
>>>> die. that's the unknown everyone is afraid of, because no one really,
>>>> truly knows. it's all just a guess.
>>>
>>> Well I have met the Extraordinary Enlightened God Man and He did
>>> radiate what appeared to be Divine Grace.
>>
>> Name, rank and serial number?

> HH IVX Dalai Lama induced devotion in me at Manchester Free Trade Hall.

The scallywag is supposed to snap his fingers and wake you...
Get a refund!  Call the cops!

On Sun, 2 Sep 2007 08:35:48 +0100, "Julian" 
wrote:

>
>
>"Spencer ????"  wrote in message 
>news:5jv6lmF1d350U1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> "Julian"  wrote in message 
>> news:X7udnadJDa-r3UfbnZ2dnUVZ8sqjnZ2d@bt.com...
>>> "roky"  wrote
>>>> :
>>>>> roky wrote:
>>>>> >  liaM  :
>>>>> > > > The only way to know the difference between life and death is to
>>>>> > > > transcend the Ego in Enlightenment. It is said that at the moment 
>>>>> > > > of
>>>>> > > > physical death there exists the possibility to transcend the Ego 
>>>>> > > > and
>>>>> > > > become Enlightened.
>>>>>
>>>>> > > > Rokysh
>>>>>
>>>>> > > Sorry roky.. U're asking to know the unknowable.  Your fingers
>>>>> > > are much too thick to grasp, let alone, pick up such evanescent
>>>>> > > subjects.  So there you go pushing concepts around senselessly !
>>>>>
>>>>> > You are defeated by your own lies! The unknowable is not known but
>>>>> > intuited. I was reborn through intuition. Rebirth is a form of
>>>>> > Enlightenment.
>>>>> > Born once,twice, three times again.-G Vidal.
>>>>> > Rokyshi
>>>>>
>>>>> no one really knows what happens after you die. you find out when you
>>>>> die. that's the unknown everyone is afraid of, because no one really,
>>>>> truly knows. it's all just a guess.
>>>>
>>>> Well I have met the Extraordinary Enlightened God Man and He did
>>>> radiate what appeared to be Divine Grace.
>>>
>>> Name, rank and serial number?
>
>> HH IVX Dalai Lama induced devotion in me at Manchester Free Trade Hall.
>
>The scallywag is supposed to snap his fingers and wake you...
>Get a refund!  Call the cops! 

Another victim of the most ancient financial scam called prostitution.
A whore only sells her body for money. A Lama sells his soul for money
with absolute sincerity.

"Julian"  wrote in message 
news:N_udndn0aJt8-kfbnZ2dnUVZ8vqdnZ2d@bt.com...
> "Spencer ©¿©¬"  wrote in message 
> news:5jv6lmF1d350U1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> "Julian"  wrote in message 
>> news:X7udnadJDa-r3UfbnZ2dnUVZ8sqjnZ2d@bt.com...
>>> "roky"  wrote
>>>> :
>>>>> roky wrote:
>>>>> >  liaM  :
>>>>> > > > The only way to know the difference between life and death 
>>>>> > > > is to
>>>>> > > > transcend the Ego in Enlightenment. It is said that at the 
>>>>> > > > moment of
>>>>> > > > physical death there exists the possibility to transcend 
>>>>> > > > the Ego and
>>>>> > > > become Enlightened.
>>>>>
>>>>> > > > Rokysh
>>>>>
>>>>> > > Sorry roky.. U're asking to know the unknowable.  Your 
>>>>> > > fingers
>>>>> > > are much too thick to grasp, let alone, pick up such 
>>>>> > > evanescent
>>>>> > > subjects.  So there you go pushing concepts around 
>>>>> > > senselessly !
>>>>>
>>>>> > You are defeated by your own lies! The unknowable is not known 
>>>>> > but
>>>>> > intuited. I was reborn through intuition. Rebirth is a form of
>>>>> > Enlightenment.
>>>>> > Born once,twice, three times again.-G Vidal.
>>>>> > Rokyshi
>>>>>
>>>>> no one really knows what happens after you die. you find out 
>>>>> when you
>>>>> die. that's the unknown everyone is afraid of, because no one 
>>>>> really,
>>>>> truly knows. it's all just a guess.
>>>>
>>>> Well I have met the Extraordinary Enlightened God Man and He did
>>>> radiate what appeared to be Divine Grace.
>>>
>>> Name, rank and serial number?
>
>> HH IVX Dalai Lama induced devotion in me at Manchester Free Trade 
>> Hall.
>
> The scallywag is supposed to snap his fingers and wake you...
> Get a refund!  Call the cops!


Obviously you don't undersand anything about Buddhism. I't is not 
magik it can take 330 years just to complete the preliminary pracises; 
the 4 hundred thousands befor you can begin the tantric practices 
which is why I recieved highest level initiations in Tibetan but the 
actual method was not given to us in English.
--
Spencer

Truly, the road to enlightenment is like unto half a mile of broken 
glass.

"Spencer ©¿©¬"  wrote

>>> HH IVX Dalai Lama induced devotion in me at Manchester Free Trade Hall.
>>
>> The scallywag is supposed to snap his fingers and wake you...
>> Get a refund!  Call the cops!
>
>
> Obviously you don't undersand anything about Buddhism. I't is not magik it 
> can take 330 years just to complete the preliminary pracises; the 4 
> hundred thousands befor you can begin the tantric practices which is why I 
> recieved highest level initiations in Tibetan but the actual method was 
> not given to us in English.

Occult mumbo jumbo alert!

On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 21:26:09 +0100, "Spencer ┛┈" 
wrote:

>
>"Julian"  wrote in message 
>news:N_udndn0aJt8-kfbnZ2dnUVZ8vqdnZ2d@bt.com...
>> "Spencer ????"  wrote in message 
>> news:5jv6lmF1d350U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>> "Julian"  wrote in message 
>>> news:X7udnadJDa-r3UfbnZ2dnUVZ8sqjnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>> "roky"  wrote
>>>>> :
>>>>>> roky wrote:
>>>>>> >  liaM  :
>>>>>> > > > The only way to know the difference between life and death 
>>>>>> > > > is to
>>>>>> > > > transcend the Ego in Enlightenment. It is said that at the 
>>>>>> > > > moment of
>>>>>> > > > physical death there exists the possibility to transcend 
>>>>>> > > > the Ego and
>>>>>> > > > become Enlightened.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > > > Rokysh
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > > Sorry roky.. U're asking to know the unknowable.  Your 
>>>>>> > > fingers
>>>>>> > > are much too thick to grasp, let alone, pick up such 
>>>>>> > > evanescent
>>>>>> > > subjects.  So there you go pushing concepts around 
>>>>>> > > senselessly !
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > You are defeated by your own lies! The unknowable is not known 
>>>>>> > but
>>>>>> > intuited. I was reborn through intuition. Rebirth is a form of
>>>>>> > Enlightenment.
>>>>>> > Born once,twice, three times again.-G Vidal.
>>>>>> > Rokyshi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> no one really knows what happens after you die. you find out 
>>>>>> when you
>>>>>> die. that's the unknown everyone is afraid of, because no one 
>>>>>> really,
>>>>>> truly knows. it's all just a guess.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well I have met the Extraordinary Enlightened God Man and He did
>>>>> radiate what appeared to be Divine Grace.
>>>>
>>>> Name, rank and serial number?
>>
>>> HH IVX Dalai Lama induced devotion in me at Manchester Free Trade 
>>> Hall.
>>
>> The scallywag is supposed to snap his fingers and wake you...
>> Get a refund!  Call the cops!
>
>
>Obviously you don't undersand anything about Buddhism. I't is not 
>magik it can take 330 years just to complete the preliminary pracises; 
>the 4 hundred thousands befor you can begin the tantric practices 
>which is why I recieved highest level initiations in Tibetan but the 
>actual method was not given to us in English.

hehehe, and you think you are not gullible. Can't you see you have
been put to a hopeless position and you can't even complain?

"Feng"  wrote in message 
news:ibo8e3dsu5upntr7h112i1gaa74fjlvf5n@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 21:26:09 +0100, "Spencer ┛┈" 
> 
> wrote:
>>"Julian"  wrote in message
>>news:N_udndn0aJt8-kfbnZ2dnUVZ8vqdnZ2d@bt.com...
>>> "Spencer ????"  wrote in message
>>> news:5jv6lmF1d350U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>
>>>> "Julian"  wrote in message
>>>> news:X7udnadJDa-r3UfbnZ2dnUVZ8sqjnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>>> "roky"  wrote
>>>>>> :
>>>>>>> roky wrote:
>>>>>>> >  liaM  :
>>>>>>> > > > The only way to know the difference between life and 
>>>>>>> > > > death
>>>>>>> > > > is to
>>>>>>> > > > transcend the Ego in Enlightenment. It is said that at 
>>>>>>> > > > the
>>>>>>> > > > moment of
>>>>>>> > > > physical death there exists the possibility to transcend
>>>>>>> > > > the Ego and
>>>>>>> > > > become Enlightened.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > > Rokysh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > > Sorry roky.. U're asking to know the unknowable.  Your
>>>>>>> > > fingers
>>>>>>> > > are much too thick to grasp, let alone, pick up such
>>>>>>> > > evanescent
>>>>>>> > > subjects.  So there you go pushing concepts around
>>>>>>> > > senselessly !
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > You are defeated by your own lies! The unknowable is not 
>>>>>>> > known
>>>>>>> > but
>>>>>>> > intuited. I was reborn through intuition. Rebirth is a form 
>>>>>>> > of
>>>>>>> > Enlightenment.
>>>>>>> > Born once,twice, three times again.-G Vidal.
>>>>>>> > Rokyshi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> no one really knows what happens after you die. you find out
>>>>>>> when you
>>>>>>> die. that's the unknown everyone is afraid of, because no one
>>>>>>> really,
>>>>>>> truly knows. it's all just a guess.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well I have met the Extraordinary Enlightened God Man and He 
>>>>>> did
>>>>>> radiate what appeared to be Divine Grace.
>>>>>
>>>>> Name, rank and serial number?
>>>
>>>> HH IVX Dalai Lama induced devotion in me at Manchester Free Trade
>>>> Hall.
>>>
>>> The scallywag is supposed to snap his fingers and wake you...
>>> Get a refund!  Call the cops!
>>
>>
>>Obviously you don't undersand anything about Buddhism. I't is not
>>magik it can take 330 years just to complete the preliminary 
>>pracises;
>>the 4 hundred thousands befor you can begin the tantric practices
>>which is why I recieved highest level initiations in Tibetan but the
>>actual method was not given to us in English.
>
> hehehe, and you think you are not gullible. Can't you see you have
> been put to a hopeless position and you can't even complain?

One must complete the preliminary practices first to sow are very 
serious. I is danger to dable in Tantra without a qualified Guru or 
Lama who has done it him/herself.

I was put in a hopeless position by Lama when he told me repeat the 
six-sylable mantra a million times. I cannot eve count up 1 M using my 
Mala which has 108 beads. How many times 108 = 1 Million?  Too many! 
:-(
-- 
Spencer

Forteans never prove anything; we just weigh up the evidence on the 
scales
in our eyes.

It was late and I was very tired and mt spellchecker doesn#t work so I 
made lots od typos. All have been corrected below.

"Spencer ©¿©¬"  wrote in message 
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> "Feng"  wrote in message 
> news:ibo8e3dsu5upntr7h112i1gaa74fjlvf5n@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 21:26:09 +0100, "Spencer ┛┈" 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>>"Julian"  wrote in message
>>>news:N_udndn0aJt8-kfbnZ2dnUVZ8vqdnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>> "Spencer ????"  wrote in message
>>>> news:5jv6lmF1d350U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Julian"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:X7udnadJDa-r3UfbnZ2dnUVZ8sqjnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>>>> "roky"  wrote
>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>> roky wrote:
>>>>>>>> >  liaM  :
>>>>>>>> > > > The only way to know the difference between life and 
>>>>>>>> > > > death
>>>>>>>> > > > is to
>>>>>>>> > > > transcend the Ego in Enlightenment. It is said that at 
>>>>>>>> > > > the
>>>>>>>> > > > moment of
>>>>>>>> > > > physical death there exists the possibility to 
>>>>>>>> > > > transcend
>>>>>>>> > > > the Ego and
>>>>>>>> > > > become Enlightened.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > > > Rokysh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > > Sorry roky.. U're asking to know the unknowable.  Your
>>>>>>>> > > fingers
>>>>>>>> > > are much too thick to grasp, let alone, pick up such
>>>>>>>> > > evanescent
>>>>>>>> > > subjects.  So there you go pushing concepts around
>>>>>>>> > > senselessly !
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > You are defeated by your own lies! The unknowable is not 
>>>>>>>> > known
>>>>>>>> > but
>>>>>>>> > intuited. I was reborn through intuition. Rebirth is a form 
>>>>>>>> > of
>>>>>>>> > Enlightenment.
>>>>>>>> > Born once,twice, three times again.-G Vidal.
>>>>>>>> > Rokyshi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> no one really knows what happens after you die. you find out
>>>>>>>> when you
>>>>>>>> die. that's the unknown everyone is afraid of, because no one
>>>>>>>> really,
>>>>>>>> truly knows. it's all just a guess.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well I have met the Extraordinary Enlightened God Man and He 
>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>> radiate what appeared to be Divine Grace.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Name, rank and serial number?
>>>>
>>>>> HH IVX Dalai Lama induced devotion in me at Manchester Free 
>>>>> Trade
>>>>> Hall.
>>>>
>>>> The scallywag is supposed to snap his fingers and wake you...
>>>> Get a refund!  Call the cops!
>>>
>>>
>>>Obviously you don't undersand anything about Buddhism. I't is not
>>>magik it can take 33 years just to complete the preliminary 
>>>pracises;
>>>the 4 hundred thousands before you can begin the tantric practices
>>>which is why I recieved highest level initiations in Tibetan but 
>>>the
>>>actual method was not given to us in English.
>>
>> hehehe, and you think you are not gullible. Can't you see you have
>> been put to a hopeless position and you can't even complain?
>
> One must complete the preliminary practices first to show you are 
> very serious. It is dangerous to dable in Tantra without a qualified 
> Guru or Lama who has done it him/herself.
>
> I was put in a hopeless position by my Lama when he told me repeat 
> the six-syllable mantra a million times. I cannot even count up 1 M 
> using my Mala which has 108 beads. How many times 108 = 1 Million? 
> Too many! :-(
 -- 
 Spencer

 Forteans never prove anything; we just weigh up the evidence on the 
scales  in our eyes.

On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 05:20:43 +0100, "Spencer ┛┈" 
wrote:

>
>"Feng"  wrote in message 
>news:ibo8e3dsu5upntr7h112i1gaa74fjlvf5n@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 21:26:09 +0100, "Spencer ??????" 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>>"Julian"  wrote in message
>>>news:N_udndn0aJt8-kfbnZ2dnUVZ8vqdnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>> "Spencer ????"  wrote in message
>>>> news:5jv6lmF1d350U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Julian"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:X7udnadJDa-r3UfbnZ2dnUVZ8sqjnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>>>> "roky"  wrote
>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>> roky wrote:
>>>>>>>> >  liaM  :
>>>>>>>> > > > The only way to know the difference between life and 
>>>>>>>> > > > death
>>>>>>>> > > > is to
>>>>>>>> > > > transcend the Ego in Enlightenment. It is said that at 
>>>>>>>> > > > the
>>>>>>>> > > > moment of
>>>>>>>> > > > physical death there exists the possibility to transcend
>>>>>>>> > > > the Ego and
>>>>>>>> > > > become Enlightened.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > > > Rokysh
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > > Sorry roky.. U're asking to know the unknowable.  Your
>>>>>>>> > > fingers
>>>>>>>> > > are much too thick to grasp, let alone, pick up such
>>>>>>>> > > evanescent
>>>>>>>> > > subjects.  So there you go pushing concepts around
>>>>>>>> > > senselessly !
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > You are defeated by your own lies! The unknowable is not 
>>>>>>>> > known
>>>>>>>> > but
>>>>>>>> > intuited. I was reborn through intuition. Rebirth is a form 
>>>>>>>> > of
>>>>>>>> > Enlightenment.
>>>>>>>> > Born once,twice, three times again.-G Vidal.
>>>>>>>> > Rokyshi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> no one really knows what happens after you die. you find out
>>>>>>>> when you
>>>>>>>> die. that's the unknown everyone is afraid of, because no one
>>>>>>>> really,
>>>>>>>> truly knows. it's all just a guess.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well I have met the Extraordinary Enlightened God Man and He 
>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>> radiate what appeared to be Divine Grace.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Name, rank and serial number?
>>>>
>>>>> HH IVX Dalai Lama induced devotion in me at Manchester Free Trade
>>>>> Hall.
>>>>
>>>> The scallywag is supposed to snap his fingers and wake you...
>>>> Get a refund!  Call the cops!
>>>
>>>
>>>Obviously you don't undersand anything about Buddhism. I't is not
>>>magik it can take 330 years just to complete the preliminary 
>>>pracises;
>>>the 4 hundred thousands befor you can begin the tantric practices
>>>which is why I recieved highest level initiations in Tibetan but the
>>>actual method was not given to us in English.
>>
>> hehehe, and you think you are not gullible. Can't you see you have
>> been put to a hopeless position and you can't even complain?
>
>One must complete the preliminary practices first to sow are very 
>serious. I is danger to dable in Tantra without a qualified Guru or 
>Lama who has done it him/herself.
>
>I was put in a hopeless position by Lama when he told me repeat the 
>six-sylable mantra a million times. I cannot eve count up 1 M using my 
>Mala which has 108 beads. How many times 108 = 1 Million?  Too many! 
>:-(

If you ask me, I think you are on a dangerous road. I don't know
Indian Tantra, but I know for certain the Tibetan Tantra is entirely
Satanic by design! I hope you can get rid of it as soon as possible
before you inflict serious damage upon yourself either financially,
physically, or mentally.

I'm dead serious. Don't do it.

On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 13:34:19 +0100, "Spencer ┛┈" 
wrote:

>It was late and I was very tired and mt spellchecker doesn#t work so I 
>made lots od typos. All have been corrected below.

Not a problem. Don't worry about it.

>
>"Spencer ????"  wrote in message 
>news:5kp7otF4ohjnU1@mid.individual.net...
>> "Feng"  wrote in message 
>> news:ibo8e3dsu5upntr7h112i1gaa74fjlvf5n@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 21:26:09 +0100, "Spencer ??????" 
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>>"Julian"  wrote in message
>>>>news:N_udndn0aJt8-kfbnZ2dnUVZ8vqdnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>>> "Spencer ????"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:5jv6lmF1d350U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Julian"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:X7udnadJDa-r3UfbnZ2dnUVZ8sqjnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>>>>> "roky"  wrote
>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>> roky wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >  liaM  :
>>>>>>>>> > > > The only way to know the difference between life and 
>>>>>>>>> > > > death
>>>>>>>>> > > > is to
>>>>>>>>> > > > transcend the Ego in Enlightenment. It is said that at 
>>>>>>>>> > > > the
>>>>>>>>> > > > moment of
>>>>>>>>> > > > physical death there exists the possibility to 
>>>>>>>>> > > > transcend
>>>>>>>>> > > > the Ego and
>>>>>>>>> > > > become Enlightened.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > > > Rokysh
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > > Sorry roky.. U're asking to know the unknowable.  Your
>>>>>>>>> > > fingers
>>>>>>>>> > > are much too thick to grasp, let alone, pick up such
>>>>>>>>> > > evanescent
>>>>>>>>> > > subjects.  So there you go pushing concepts around
>>>>>>>>> > > senselessly !
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > You are defeated by your own lies! The unknowable is not 
>>>>>>>>> > known
>>>>>>>>> > but
>>>>>>>>> > intuited. I was reborn through intuition. Rebirth is a form 
>>>>>>>>> > of
>>>>>>>>> > Enlightenment.
>>>>>>>>> > Born once,twice, three times again.-G Vidal.
>>>>>>>>> > Rokyshi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> no one really knows what happens after you die. you find out
>>>>>>>>> when you
>>>>>>>>> die. that's the unknown everyone is afraid of, because no one
>>>>>>>>> really,
>>>>>>>>> truly knows. it's all just a guess.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well I have met the Extraordinary Enlightened God Man and He 
>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>> radiate what appeared to be Divine Grace.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Name, rank and serial number?
>>>>>
>>>>>> HH IVX Dalai Lama induced devotion in me at Manchester Free 
>>>>>> Trade
>>>>>> Hall.
>>>>>
>>>>> The scallywag is supposed to snap his fingers and wake you...
>>>>> Get a refund!  Call the cops!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Obviously you don't undersand anything about Buddhism. I't is not
>>>>magik it can take 33 years just to complete the preliminary 
>>>>pracises;
>>>>the 4 hundred thousands before you can begin the tantric practices
>>>>which is why I recieved highest level initiations in Tibetan but 
>>>>the
>>>>actual method was not given to us in English.
>>>
>>> hehehe, and you think you are not gullible. Can't you see you have
>>> been put to a hopeless position and you can't even complain?
>>
>> One must complete the preliminary practices first to show you are 
>> very serious. It is dangerous to dable in Tantra without a qualified 
>> Guru or Lama who has done it him/herself.
>>
>> I was put in a hopeless position by my Lama when he told me repeat 
>> the six-syllable mantra a million times. I cannot even count up 1 M 
>> using my Mala which has 108 beads. How many times 108 = 1 Million? 
>> Too many! :-(
> -- 
> Spencer
>
> Forteans never prove anything; we just weigh up the evidence on the 
>scales  in our eyes.
>
>

"Feng"  wrote in message 
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> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 05:20:43 +0100, "Spencer ┛┈" 
> 
> wrote:
>
>>"Feng"  wrote in message
>>news:ibo8e3dsu5upntr7h112i1gaa74fjlvf5n@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 21:26:09 +0100, "Spencer ??????"
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>>"Julian"  wrote in message
>>>>news:N_udndn0aJt8-kfbnZ2dnUVZ8vqdnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>>> "Spencer ????"  wrote in message
>>>>> news:5jv6lmF1d350U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Julian"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:X7udnadJDa-r3UfbnZ2dnUVZ8sqjnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>>>>> "roky"  wrote
>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>> roky wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >  liaM  :
>>>>>>>>> > > > The only way to know the difference between life and
>>>>>>>>> > > > death
>>>>>>>>> > > > is to
>>>>>>>>> > > > transcend the Ego in Enlightenment. It is said that at
>>>>>>>>> > > > the
>>>>>>>>> > > > moment of
>>>>>>>>> > > > physical death there exists the possibility to 
>>>>>>>>> > > > transcend
>>>>>>>>> > > > the Ego and
>>>>>>>>> > > > become Enlightened.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > > > Rokysh
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > > Sorry roky.. U're asking to know the unknowable.  Your
>>>>>>>>> > > fingers
>>>>>>>>> > > are much too thick to grasp, let alone, pick up such
>>>>>>>>> > > evanescent
>>>>>>>>> > > subjects.  So there you go pushing concepts around
>>>>>>>>> > > senselessly !
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > You are defeated by your own lies! The unknowable is not
>>>>>>>>> > known
>>>>>>>>> > but
>>>>>>>>> > intuited. I was reborn through intuition. Rebirth is a 
>>>>>>>>> > form
>>>>>>>>> > of
>>>>>>>>> > Enlightenment.
>>>>>>>>> > Born once,twice, three times again.-G Vidal.
>>>>>>>>> > Rokyshi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> no one really knows what happens after you die. you find out
>>>>>>>>> when you
>>>>>>>>> die. that's the unknown everyone is afraid of, because no 
>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>> really,
>>>>>>>>> truly knows. it's all just a guess.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well I have met the Extraordinary Enlightened God Man and He
>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>> radiate what appeared to be Divine Grace.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Name, rank and serial number?
>>>>>
>>>>>> HH IVX Dalai Lama induced devotion in me at Manchester Free 
>>>>>> Trade
>>>>>> Hall.
>>>>>
>>>>> The scallywag is supposed to snap his fingers and wake you...
>>>>> Get a refund!  Call the cops!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Obviously you don't undersand anything about Buddhism. I't is not
>>>>magik it can take 330 years just to complete the preliminary
>>>>pracises;
>>>>the 4 hundred thousands befor you can begin the tantric practices
>>>>which is why I recieved highest level initiations in Tibetan but 
>>>>the
>>>>actual method was not given to us in English.
>>>
>>> hehehe, and you think you are not gullible. Can't you see you have
>>> been put to a hopeless position and you can't even complain?
>>
>>One must complete the preliminary practices first to show you are 
>>very
>>serious. It is danger to dable in Tantra without a qualified Guru or
>>Lama who has done it him/herself.
>>
>>I was put in a hopeless position by Lama when he told me repeat the
>>six-sylable mantra a million times. I cannot eve count up 1 M using 
>>my
>>Mala which has 108 beads. How many times 108 = 1 Million?  Too many!
>>:-(
>
> If you ask me, I think you are on a dangerous road. I don't know
> Indian Tantra, but I know for certain the Tibetan Tantra is entirely
> Satanic by design! I hope you can get rid of it as soon as possible
> before you inflict serious damage upon yourself either financially,
> physically, or mentally.
>
> I'm dead serious. Don't do it.

I can't do it as the whole initiations were given in Tibetan by Karma 
Thinley Rinposhe whose Karma (actions of body, mind and spirit) has 
cupied many bodies before with the same rank and even more before 
that. Ordinary Tibetans believe incorrectly that the same person is 
lives many times as Demon in Hell, hungry ghost on Earth but invisible 
and hungt but unable to eat, animal, then unenligtened human then the 
same in many bodies but the present Dalai Lama  was interviewed on the 
radio and asked what would happen to him after his death and avoided 
answering by just saying "That my private buisness." Without his 
characteristic laugh.

As for the The Tibetan Tantras being Satanic the words Satanic and 
evil do not exist in Tibetan, all the bad old Gods and Hindu Gods were 
defeated by Padmasambavha or Guru Rinposhe about 500 years ago.
Only Hindu extemists who belivieve in the histurical truth of the 
stories told about what the gods did. which is a new development and 
is known as fundamentalism. Myths are teaching aids and they are full 
of meaning and wisdom but they were written as classical works of 
fiction not history. Some Tibetanan Dieties are depicted as trampling 
on Hindu Gods. A Hindu Fundamentaliist would certainly be offended if 
s/he knew about that. But a Hindu would not go into a Tibetan 
monastery or temple. A Hindu would be perfectly happy to see the 
Swastikas in the temple but a Westerner might be confused. The fact is 
that the Swastika is an ancient indian Sun-wheel Good Luck symbol. The 
Nazis., who were fascinated by occultism and particularly Tibebetan 
Lamaism as  was called then, believed that they had found the 
pre-Xtian Aryan Religion. They used the Swastica as a political symbol 
but they reversed it's rotation from sunwise or clockwise (deosil) to 
anti-clockwise (Widdershins), Thus reversing it's meaning and turning 
a symbol of everything good into a symbol of evil. It is similar to 
inverting a pentagram but subtler as everyone can see if a pentagam 
has one point on top and two on the bottom, which means Spirit is 
above the other four elemements.
   The inverted pentagam represents the face of The Devil with two 
horns on top and a pointed goatee beard on the bottom. The Nazis were 
looking for a new simbol for their party which was as visualy striking 
as the inverted pentagam but unknown in the West. They chose the 
Swasika and whether by accident or design reversed it. An easy mistake 
to make as it looks the same at first glance and if used on a flag you 
will see both The Solar Swastika on the front and the reversed or 
mirror image on the other side of the flag.

Spencer

On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:48:00 +0100, "Spencer ┛┈" 
wrote:

>
>"Feng"  wrote in message 
>news:esshe3p3ioh8kdfp28u4maobf8en2r04g9@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 05:20:43 +0100, "Spencer ??????" 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Feng"  wrote in message
>>>news:ibo8e3dsu5upntr7h112i1gaa74fjlvf5n@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 21:26:09 +0100, "Spencer ??????"
>>>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>"Julian"  wrote in message
>>>>>news:N_udndn0aJt8-kfbnZ2dnUVZ8vqdnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>>>> "Spencer ????"  wrote in message
>>>>>> news:5jv6lmF1d350U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Julian"  wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:X7udnadJDa-r3UfbnZ2dnUVZ8sqjnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>>>>>> "roky"  wrote
>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>> roky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >  liaM  :
>>>>>>>>>> > > > The only way to know the difference between life and
>>>>>>>>>> > > > death
>>>>>>>>>> > > > is to
>>>>>>>>>> > > > transcend the Ego in Enlightenment. It is said that at
>>>>>>>>>> > > > the
>>>>>>>>>> > > > moment of
>>>>>>>>>> > > > physical death there exists the possibility to 
>>>>>>>>>> > > > transcend
>>>>>>>>>> > > > the Ego and
>>>>>>>>>> > > > become Enlightened.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> > > > Rokysh
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> > > Sorry roky.. U're asking to know the unknowable.  Your
>>>>>>>>>> > > fingers
>>>>>>>>>> > > are much too thick to grasp, let alone, pick up such
>>>>>>>>>> > > evanescent
>>>>>>>>>> > > subjects.  So there you go pushing concepts around
>>>>>>>>>> > > senselessly !
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> > You are defeated by your own lies! The unknowable is not
>>>>>>>>>> > known
>>>>>>>>>> > but
>>>>>>>>>> > intuited. I was reborn through intuition. Rebirth is a 
>>>>>>>>>> > form
>>>>>>>>>> > of
>>>>>>>>>> > Enlightenment.
>>>>>>>>>> > Born once,twice, three times again.-G Vidal.
>>>>>>>>>> > Rokyshi
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> no one really knows what happens after you die. you find out
>>>>>>>>>> when you
>>>>>>>>>> die. that's the unknown everyone is afraid of, because no 
>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>> really,
>>>>>>>>>> truly knows. it's all just a guess.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well I have met the Extraordinary Enlightened God Man and He
>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>> radiate what appeared to be Divine Grace.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Name, rank and serial number?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HH IVX Dalai Lama induced devotion in me at Manchester Free 
>>>>>>> Trade
>>>>>>> Hall.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The scallywag is supposed to snap his fingers and wake you...
>>>>>> Get a refund!  Call the cops!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Obviously you don't undersand anything about Buddhism. I't is not
>>>>>magik it can take 330 years just to complete the preliminary
>>>>>pracises;
>>>>>the 4 hundred thousands befor you can begin the tantric practices
>>>>>which is why I recieved highest level initiations in Tibetan but 
>>>>>the
>>>>>actual method was not given to us in English.
>>>>
>>>> hehehe, and you think you are not gullible. Can't you see you have
>>>> been put to a hopeless position and you can't even complain?
>>>
>>>One must complete the preliminary practices first to show you are 
>>>very
>>>serious. It is danger to dable in Tantra without a qualified Guru or
>>>Lama who has done it him/herself.
>>>
>>>I was put in a hopeless position by Lama when he told me repeat the
>>>six-sylable mantra a million times. I cannot eve count up 1 M using 
>>>my
>>>Mala which has 108 beads. How many times 108 = 1 Million?  Too many!
>>>:-(
>>
>> If you ask me, I think you are on a dangerous road. I don't know
>> Indian Tantra, but I know for certain the Tibetan Tantra is entirely
>> Satanic by design! I hope you can get rid of it as soon as possible
>> before you inflict serious damage upon yourself either financially,
>> physically, or mentally.
>>
>> I'm dead serious. Don't do it.
>
>I can't do it as the whole initiations were given in Tibetan by Karma 
>Thinley Rinposhe whose Karma (actions of body, mind and spirit) has 
>cupied many bodies before with the same rank and even more before 
>that. Ordinary Tibetans believe incorrectly that the same person is 
>lives many times as Demon in Hell, hungry ghost on Earth but invisible 
>and hungt but unable to eat, animal, then unenligtened human then the 
>same in many bodies but the present Dalai Lama  was interviewed on the 
>radio and asked what would happen to him after his death and avoided 
>answering by just saying "That my private buisness." Without his 
>characteristic laugh.
>
>As for the The Tibetan Tantras being Satanic the words Satanic and 
>evil do not exist in Tibetan, all the bad old Gods and Hindu Gods were 
>defeated by Padmasambavha or Guru Rinposhe about 500 years ago.
>Only Hindu extemists who belivieve in the histurical truth of the 
>stories told about what the gods did. which is a new development and 
>is known as fundamentalism. Myths are teaching aids and they are full 
>of meaning and wisdom but they were written as classical works of 
>fiction not history. Some Tibetanan Dieties are depicted as trampling 
>on Hindu Gods. A Hindu Fundamentaliist would certainly be offended if 
>s/he knew about that. But a Hindu would not go into a Tibetan 
>monastery or temple. A Hindu would be perfectly happy to see the 
>Swastikas in the temple but a Westerner might be confused. The fact is 
>that the Swastika is an ancient indian Sun-wheel Good Luck symbol. The 
>Nazis., who were fascinated by occultism and particularly Tibebetan 
>Lamaism as  was called then, believed that they had found the 
>pre-Xtian Aryan Religion. They used the Swastica as a political symbol 
>but they reversed it's rotation from sunwise or clockwise (deosil) to 
>anti-clockwise (Widdershins), Thus reversing it's meaning and turning 
>a symbol of everything good into a symbol of evil. It is similar to 
>inverting a pentagram but subtler as everyone can see if a pentagam 
>has one point on top and two on the bottom, which means Spirit is 
>above the other four elemements.
>   The inverted pentagam represents the face of The Devil with two 
>horns on top and a pointed goatee beard on the bottom. The Nazis were 
>looking for a new simbol for their party which was as visualy striking 
>as the inverted pentagam but unknown in the West. They chose the 
>Swasika and whether by accident or design reversed it. An easy mistake 
>to make as it looks the same at first glance and if used on a flag you 
>will see both The Solar Swastika on the front and the reversed or 
>mirror image on the other side of the flag.
>
>Spencer

You seem to know a lot about occultism and symbols, but are you also
aware that they all belong to the dark side? It's better not to play
with fire. A moment of excitement could become a life long sorrow as
far as our spiritual well-being is concerned. Please be careful. It
doesn't worth it.

"Feng"  wrote in message 
news:fsame39ke4diskrp4otc1l11carrs8t5cl@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 11:48:00 +0100, "Spencer ┛┈" 
> 
> wrote:
>>"Feng"  wrote in message
>>news:esshe3p3ioh8kdfp28u4maobf8en2r04g9@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 05:20:43 +0100, "Spencer ??????"
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>>"Feng"  wrote in message
>>>>news:ibo8e3dsu5upntr7h112i1gaa74fjlvf5n@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 21:26:09 +0100, "Spencer ??????"
>>>>> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>"Julian"  wrote in message
>>>>>>news:N_udndn0aJt8-kfbnZ2dnUVZ8vqdnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>>>>> "Spencer ????"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>> "Julian"  wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> "roky"  wrote
>>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>>> roky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >  liaM  :
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > The only way to know the difference between life and
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > death
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > is to
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > transcend the Ego in Enlightenment. It is said that 
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > at
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > the
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > moment of
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > physical death there exists the possibility to
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > transcend
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > the Ego and
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > become Enlightened.
>>>>>>>>>>> > > > Rokysh
>>>>>>>>>>> > > Sorry roky.. U're asking to know the unknowable.  Your
>>>>>>>>>>> > > fingers
>>>>>>>>>>> > > are much too thick to grasp, let alone, pick up such
>>>>>>>>>>> > > evanescent
>>>>>>>>>>> > > subjects.  So there you go pushing concepts around
>>>>>>>>>>> > > senselessly !
>>>>>>>>>>> > You are defeated by your own lies! The unknowable is not
>>>>>>>>>>> > known
>>>>>>>>>>> > but
>>>>>>>>>>> > intuited. I was reborn through intuition. Rebirth is a
>>>>>>>>>>> > form
>>>>>>>>>>> > of
>>>>>>>>>>> > Enlightenment.
>>>>>>>>>>> > Born once,twice, three times again.-G Vidal.
>>>>>>>>>>> > Rokyshi
>>>>>>>>>>> no one really knows what happens after you die. you find 
>>>>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>>>>> when you
>>>>>>>>>>> die. that's the unknown everyone is afraid of, because no
>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>> really,
>>>>>>>>>>> truly knows. it's all just a guess.
>>>>>>>>>> Well I have met the Extraordinary Enlightened God Man and 
>>>>>>>>>> He
>>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>>> radiate what appeared to be Divine Grace.
>>>>>>>>> Name, rank and serial number?
>>>>>>>> HH IVX Dalai Lama induced devotion in me at Manchester Free
>>>>>>>> Trade
>>>>>>>> Hall.
>>>>>>> The scallywag is supposed to snap his fingers and wake you...
>>>>>>> Get a refund!  Call the cops!
>>>>>>Obviously you don't undersand anything about Buddhism. I't is 
>>>>>>not
>>>>>>magik it can take 330 years just to complete the preliminary
>>>>>>pracises;
>>>>>>the 4 hundred thousands befor you can begin the tantric 
>>>>>>practices
>>>>>>which is why I recieved highest level initiations in Tibetan but
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>actual method was not given to us in English.
>>>>> hehehe, and you think you are not gullible. Can't you see you 
>>>>> have
>>>>> been put to a hopeless position and you can't even complain?
>>>>One must complete the preliminary practices first to show you are
>>>>very
>>>>serious. It is danger to dable in Tantra without a qualified Guru 
>>>>or
>>>>Lama who has done it him/herself.
>>>>I was put in a hopeless position by Lama when he told me repeat 
>>>>the
>>>>six-sylable mantra a million times. I cannot eve count up 1 M 
>>>>using
>>>>my
>>>>Mala which has 108 beads. How many times 108 = 1 Million?  Too 
>>>>many!
>>>>:-(
>>> If you ask me, I think you are on a dangerous road. I don't know
>>> Indian Tantra, but I know for certain the Tibetan Tantra is 
>>> entirely
>>> Satanic by design! I hope you can get rid of it as soon as 
>>> possible
>>> before you inflict serious damage upon yourself either 
>>> financially,
>>> physically, or mentally.
>>> I'm dead serious. Don't do it.
>>I can't do it as the whole initiations were given in Tibetan by 
>>Karma
>>Thinley Rinposhe whose Karma (actions of body, mind and spirit) has
>>cupied many bodies before with the same rank and even more before
>>that. Ordinary Tibetans believe incorrectly that the same person is
>>lives many times as Demon in Hell, hungry ghost on Earth but 
>>invisible
>>and hungt but unable to eat, animal, then unenligtened human then 
>>the
>>same in many bodies but the present Dalai Lama  was interviewed on 
>>the
>>radio and asked what would happen to him after his death and avoided
>>answering by just saying "That my private buisness." Without his
>>characteristic laugh.
>>As for the The Tibetan Tantras being Satanic the words Satanic and
>>evil do not exist in Tibetan, all the bad old Gods and Hindu Gods 
>>were
>>defeated by Padmasambavha or Guru Rinposhe about 500 years ago.
>>Only Hindu extemists who belivieve in the histurical truth of the
>>stories told about what the gods did. which is a new development and
>>is known as fundamentalism. Myths are teaching aids and they are 
>>full
>>of meaning and wisdom but they were written as classical works of
>>fiction not history. Some Tibetanan Dieties are depicted as 
>>trampling
>>on Hindu Gods. A Hindu Fundamentaliist would certainly be offended 
>>if
>>s/he knew about that. But a Hindu would not go into a Tibetan
>>monastery or temple. A Hindu would be perfectly happy to see the
>>Swastikas in the temple but a Westerner might be confused. The fact 
>>is
>>that the Swastika is an ancient indian Sun-wheel Good Luck symbol. 
>>The
>>Nazis., who were fascinated by occultism and particularly Tibebetan
>>Lamaism as  was called then, believed that they had found the
>>pre-Xtian Aryan Religion. They used the Swastica as a political 
>>symbol
>>but they reversed it's rotation from sunwise or clockwise (deosil) 
>>to
>>anti-clockwise (Widdershins), Thus reversing it's meaning and 
>>turning
>>a symbol of everything good into a symbol of evil. It is similar to
>>inverting a pentagram but subtler as everyone can see if a pentagam
>>has one point on top and two on the bottom, which means Spirit is
>>above the other four elemements.
>>   The inverted pentagam represents the face of The Devil with two
>>horns on top and a pointed goatee beard on the bottom. The Nazis 
>>were
>>looking for a new simbol for their party which was as visualy 
>>striking
>>as the inverted pentagam but unknown in the West. They chose the
>>Swasika and whether by accident or design reversed it. An easy 
>>mistake
>>to make as it looks the same at first glance and if used on a flag 
>>you
>>will see both The Solar Swastika on the front and the reversed or
>>mirror image on the other side of the flag.
>>Spencer
> You seem to know a lot about occultism and symbols, but are you also
> aware that they all belong to the dark side? It's better not to play
> with fire. A moment of excitement could become a life long sorrow as
> far as our spiritual well-being is concerned. Please be careful. It
> doesn't worth it.

First of all I'm not doing it, I have neither time ,nor energy nor 
partner to do it with.
Secondly you are very cofused and sound like a Xtian who thinks all 
that is condemned in the bible is evil.
I don't know what your religion is but you have confused Vama Marge 
Tantra (Left Hand Path) with the dark side.
All religions use sex energy and alchrmically convert it in spiritual 
energy.
Even celibacy or the nun being a bride of Christ is a form of sex 
magik.
Taoists aviod ejaculation believeng tha the semen can be transmuted 
into spirit.
Why do you think alchemy is so difficult to understand and the art is 
so mysterious.
Consider Dr. John Dee. Scientist, the original 007 spy for QE I, 
discoverer of a new magikal system and language called Enochian and 
Alchemist. Once you realizise that alchemy IS sex Magik it all fall 
into place..
At one point he received a message through Kelly who was his scryer 
who may have been  ascoundrel but it is very difficult to fake 
messages from Angels by pionting at letters on a board then reading 
the whole thing backwards
The laguage has been studied and has all the quallities of a genuine 
language yet it is not and never was spoken on Earth. One Angelic 
message Kelly passed on to Dee ordered them to swap wives. Now this 
was not done lightly in Elizabethan Times. There were plenty of whores 
and "loose" women about but repectable people of rank like Dee were 
supposed to keep that sde of there lives secret or not do it at all. 
Eventualy Dee agreed to it and the two men persuaded their wives to do 
it. Was this a trick by Kelly to sleep with  a lady above his rank? Or 
was It Alchemical sex magik? what we do know is that Dee and Kelly 
went on to be the most successful alchemists in Europe and were much 
in demand in Eastern European Courts where they would give 
demonstrations to the interested Kings.
This was the cover Dee used in his work as a spy for Queen Elizabeth 
I, who refered to him as her eyes. She represented him by two circles 
for eyes surounded by a sort off evtended 7 for the eyebrowes and side 
of the head.
Hense 007 for the top british spy who works for a woman.
the piont of all this has been that left hand path work has always 
gone on every where, in secret if neccessary
whe are now in a secular period in Europe and US will return to 
secrment when Bush has gone. At last one is bale to speak freely about 
these things without using an eleborate code or sytem of 
correspondances only revealed to the intitiate. 20 years ago I would 
have been bound to silence by mighty oaths but today there are books 
and internet  sites  where all this and more can be found.

Spencer (Karma Namdag) was Fra. DPAA OMI IOT

On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:13:01 +0100, "Spencer ┛┈" 
wrote:

>> You seem to know a lot about occultism and symbols, but are you also
>> aware that they all belong to the dark side? It's better not to play
>> with fire. A moment of excitement could become a life long sorrow as
>> far as our spiritual well-being is concerned. Please be careful. It
>> doesn't worth it.
>
>First of all I'm not doing it, I have neither time ,nor energy nor 
>partner to do it with.
>Secondly you are very cofused and sound like a Xtian who thinks all 
>that is condemned in the bible is evil.
>I don't know what your religion is but you have confused Vama Marge 
>Tantra (Left Hand Path) with the dark side.
>All religions use sex energy and alchrmically convert it in spiritual 
>energy.

This is the fundamental misunderstanding that has caused this mess.
Sexual energy and spiritual energy are entirely different things. They
are never convertible. It's because this mistaken belief people are
lost in their pursuit of sexual energy. They have mistaken the effect
of sexual energy as something spiritual, when in fact it is no
different from a drug addict getting high. There is nothing spiritual
whatsoever. It's all carnal and it's all evil.

snip

Feng wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:13:01 +0100, "Spencer ┛┈" 
> wrote:
> 
>>> You seem to know a lot about occultism and symbols, but are you also
>>> aware that they all belong to the dark side? It's better not to play
>>> with fire. A moment of excitement could become a life long sorrow as
>>> far as our spiritual well-being is concerned. Please be careful. It
>>> doesn't worth it.
>> First of all I'm not doing it, I have neither time ,nor energy nor 
>> partner to do it with.
>> Secondly you are very cofused and sound like a Xtian who thinks all 
>> that is condemned in the bible is evil.
>> I don't know what your religion is but you have confused Vama Marge 
>> Tantra (Left Hand Path) with the dark side.
>> All religions use sex energy and alchrmically convert it in spiritual 
>> energy.
> 
> This is the fundamental misunderstanding that has caused this mess.
> Sexual energy and spiritual energy are entirely different things. They
> are never convertible. It's because this mistaken belief people are
> lost in their pursuit of sexual energy. They have mistaken the effect
> of sexual energy as something spiritual, when in fact it is no
> different from a drug addict getting high. There is nothing spiritual
> whatsoever. It's all carnal and it's all evil.


Don't touch it, it's evil - http://youtube.com/watch?v=v60-qRvmzKA

On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 08:22:15 -0600, Hollywood Lee
 wrote:

>Feng wrote:
>> On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:13:01 +0100, "Spencer ┛┈" 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>>> You seem to know a lot about occultism and symbols, but are you also
>>>> aware that they all belong to the dark side? It's better not to play
>>>> with fire. A moment of excitement could become a life long sorrow as
>>>> far as our spiritual well-being is concerned. Please be careful. It
>>>> doesn't worth it.
>>> First of all I'm not doing it, I have neither time ,nor energy nor 
>>> partner to do it with.
>>> Secondly you are very cofused and sound like a Xtian who thinks all 
>>> that is condemned in the bible is evil.
>>> I don't know what your religion is but you have confused Vama Marge 
>>> Tantra (Left Hand Path) with the dark side.
>>> All religions use sex energy and alchrmically convert it in spiritual 
>>> energy.
>> 
>> This is the fundamental misunderstanding that has caused this mess.
>> Sexual energy and spiritual energy are entirely different things. They
>> are never convertible. It's because this mistaken belief people are
>> lost in their pursuit of sexual energy. They have mistaken the effect
>> of sexual energy as something spiritual, when in fact it is no
>> different from a drug addict getting high. There is nothing spiritual
>> whatsoever. It's all carnal and it's all evil.
>
>
>Don't touch it, it's evil - http://youtube.com/watch?v=v60-qRvmzKA

That's so not funny.

Feng wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 08:22:15 -0600, Hollywood Lee
>  wrote:
> 
>> Feng wrote:
>>> On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:13:01 +0100, "Spencer ┛┈" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> You seem to know a lot about occultism and symbols, but are you also
>>>>> aware that they all belong to the dark side? It's better not to play
>>>>> with fire. A moment of excitement could become a life long sorrow as
>>>>> far as our spiritual well-being is concerned. Please be careful. It
>>>>> doesn't worth it.
>>>> First of all I'm not doing it, I have neither time ,nor energy nor 
>>>> partner to do it with.
>>>> Secondly you are very cofused and sound like a Xtian who thinks all 
>>>> that is condemned in the bible is evil.
>>>> I don't know what your religion is but you have confused Vama Marge 
>>>> Tantra (Left Hand Path) with the dark side.
>>>> All religions use sex energy and alchrmically convert it in spiritual 
>>>> energy.
>>> This is the fundamental misunderstanding that has caused this mess.
>>> Sexual energy and spiritual energy are entirely different things. They
>>> are never convertible. It's because this mistaken belief people are
>>> lost in their pursuit of sexual energy. They have mistaken the effect
>>> of sexual energy as something spiritual, when in fact it is no
>>> different from a drug addict getting high. There is nothing spiritual
>>> whatsoever. It's all carnal and it's all evil.
>>
>> Don't touch it, it's evil - http://youtube.com/watch?v=v60-qRvmzKA
> 
> That's so not funny.

Maybe the Doctor could help - http://youtube.com/watch?v=KNdpvtwlOqo

"Feng"  wrote in message 
news:p3nne3huhdahv7jr7h44t289laal68v5bf@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:13:01 +0100, "Spencer ┛┈" 
> 
>>> You seem to know a lot about occultism and symbols, but are you 
>>> also
>>> aware that they all belong to the dark side? It's better not to 
>>> play
>>> with fire. A moment of excitement could become a life long sorrow 
>>> as
>>> far as our spiritual well-being is concerned. Please be careful. 
>>> It doesn't worth it.
>>First of all I'm not doing it, I have neither time ,nor energy nor 
>>partner to do it with.
>>Secondly you are very cofused and sound like a Xtian who thinks all
>>that is condemned in the bible is evil.
>>I don't know what your religion is but you have confused Vama Marge
>>Tantra (Left Hand Path) with the dark side.
>>All religions use sex energy and alchrmically convert it in 
>>spiritual energy.
>
> This is the fundamental misunderstanding that has caused this mess.
> Sexual energy and spiritual energy are entirely different things. 
> They
> are never convertible. It's because this mistaken belief people are
> lost in their pursuit of sexual energy. They have mistaken the 
> effect
> of sexual energy as something spiritual, when in fact it is no
> different from a drug addict getting high. There is nothing 
> spiritual
> whatsoever. It's all carnal and it's all evil.
> snip

If that's what you believe we shall have to agree to disagree
--
Spencer S.

Truly, the road to enlightenment is like unto half a mile of broken 
glass.

On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 16:53:28 +0100, "Spencer ┛┈" 
wrote:

>
>"Feng"  wrote in message 
>news:p3nne3huhdahv7jr7h44t289laal68v5bf@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:13:01 +0100, "Spencer ??????" 
>> 
>>>> You seem to know a lot about occultism and symbols, but are you 
>>>> also
>>>> aware that they all belong to the dark side? It's better not to 
>>>> play
>>>> with fire. A moment of excitement could become a life long sorrow 
>>>> as
>>>> far as our spiritual well-being is concerned. Please be careful. 
>>>> It doesn't worth it.
>>>First of all I'm not doing it, I have neither time ,nor energy nor 
>>>partner to do it with.
>>>Secondly you are very cofused and sound like a Xtian who thinks all
>>>that is condemned in the bible is evil.
>>>I don't know what your religion is but you have confused Vama Marge
>>>Tantra (Left Hand Path) with the dark side.
>>>All religions use sex energy and alchrmically convert it in 
>>>spiritual energy.
>>
>> This is the fundamental misunderstanding that has caused this mess.
>> Sexual energy and spiritual energy are entirely different things. 
>> They
>> are never convertible. It's because this mistaken belief people are
>> lost in their pursuit of sexual energy. They have mistaken the 
>> effect
>> of sexual energy as something spiritual, when in fact it is no
>> different from a drug addict getting high. There is nothing 
>> spiritual
>> whatsoever. It's all carnal and it's all evil.
>> snip
>
>If that's what you believe we shall have to agree to disagree

That's sad. Could you tell me what did I say that you can not agree
with?

"Feng"  wrote in message 
news:p3nne3huhdahv7jr7h44t289laal68v5bf@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 12:13:01 +0100, "Spencer ┛┈" 
> wrote:
>
>>> You seem to know a lot about occultism and symbols, but are you also
>>> aware that they all belong to the dark side? It's better not to play
>>> with fire. A moment of excitement could become a life long sorrow as
>>> far as our spiritual well-being is concerned. Please be careful. It
>>> doesn't worth it.
>>
>>First of all I'm not doing it, I have neither time ,nor energy nor
>>partner to do it with.
>>Secondly you are very cofused and sound like a Xtian who thinks all
>>that is condemned in the bible is evil.
>>I don't know what your religion is but you have confused Vama Marge
>>Tantra (Left Hand Path) with the dark side.
>>All religions use sex energy and alchrmically convert it in spiritual
>>energy.
>
> This is the fundamental misunderstanding that has caused this mess.
> Sexual energy and spiritual energy are entirely different things. They
> are never convertible. It's because this mistaken belief people are
> lost in their pursuit of sexual energy. They have mistaken the effect
> of sexual energy as something spiritual, when in fact it is no
> different from a drug addict getting high. There is nothing spiritual
> whatsoever. It's all carnal and it's all evil.
>
> snip


:-)

LOL!
-- 
Best Regards,

Evelyn