I'm going to have a play with Dreamweaver to see what I can learn, but
I don't intend to create the 'live' version of the site or even have
my code used by the eventual author.  

www.parrotaid.org.uk and www.parrotaid.co.uk need content!

 Parrot Aid in Northampton is a small charity dedicated to the welfare
of parrots and similar birds. It is not a "rescue" organisation per se
- the primary aim would always be to "rehabilitate" the bird and its
owners so that they can stay together.  It also has an active
educational program with schools and similar.   It is not able to
register (yet) with the Charities Commission as it cannot demonstrate
an income of more than £5,000pa (it has outgoings more than that, but
these have been funded, in the main, by the individual who runs the
charity).  When the provisions of the Charities Act 2006 are finally
implemented (hopefully later this year)   it is intended to register
the operation as a Charitable Incorporated Organisation.

Part of the strategy (a grand word for such a small operation!) for
the charity is to use a website to improve awareness of its existence
and remit and - of course - to be a vehicle for fundraising.

Here's an idea of what we want: 

A simple website like http://www.glutenfree-crawley.org.uk/ or 
http://www.leicesteranimalaid.org.uk/  would be adequate to begin
with, and although it is probably within my personal competencies to
create such a simple site, I would be unable - for example - to
incorporate even a  modest "shop" which would be a short-term
objective to assist in fund raising.  I would not want to create a
basic site and then hand that over to someone else to implant the
shop, as that is a recipe for confusion and cost! 

We would like an offer for creating a site similar to
http://www.glutenfree-crawley.org.uk/ or
http://www.leicesteranimalaid.org.uk/ , hosting same and implementing
a modest shop.   As far as the shop is concerned, there might be a
maximum of 20 categories and no more than 1000 items - but items per
category is probably not a basis for costing anyway.  We will NOT want
a forum or even a guest book; we will want email forms (or, more
accurately a method of contacting us by email that is somewhat
protected against spam or address harvesting),  a POP3 mailbox (or
several if they come at no additional cost, as I would expect within
reason), a 'paypal donate now' button supporting gift-aid declarations
I would want to do the maintenance of the site and shop by ftp (or a
CMS if provided at no additional cost) once created;  the domains
www.parrotaid.co.uk and www.parrotaid.org.uk are already registered
with 123-reg.co.uk.

It is our intention that it be an information site, not an
entertainment site: in other words effective content is FAR MORE
important than flashy yoof-oriented exciting design - which is why we
liked the Gluten Free site. No Flash, thank you. No music, thank you.
No tricksy buttons, thank you.  Maybe one animated gif in a 'Kiddies
Corner' but that's about it. 

 The one issue I have with these two 'baseline' sites is that they
appear to be designed for fixed-width browsing: I would want our sites
elegantly to reflow according to the viewers preference for browser
width (well, within reason. What is reasonable?  I have no idea yet)


Please apply ROT13 to the genuine ROT13'd email adress below if you
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On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 08:21:45 +0000, me here  wrote:



Sorry, I didn't make it clear that we are not looking for this for
free (although we wouldn't turn down a proposal just because there was
no charge :) )
>
>Please apply ROT13 to the genuine ROT13'd email adress below if you
>would like to reply:
>
>cneebgnvq@agyjbeyq.pbz
>
>Thank you

On Mar 6, 7:21 pm, me here  wrote:
> I'm going to have a play with Dreamweaver to see what I can learn, but
> I don't intend to create the 'live' version of the site or even have
> my code used by the eventual author.  
>
> www.parrotaid.org.ukandwww.parrotaid.co.ukneed content!
>
>  Parrot Aid in Northampton is a small charity dedicated to the welfare
> of parrots and similar birds. It is not a "rescue" organisation per se
> - the primary aim would always be to "rehabilitate" the bird and its
> owners so that they can stay together.  It also has an active
> educational program with schools and similar.   It is not able to
> register (yet) with the Charities Commission as it cannot demonstrate
> an income of more than £5,000pa (it has outgoings more than that, but
> these have been funded, in the main, by the individual who runs the
> charity).  When the provisions of the Charities Act 2006 are finally
> implemented (hopefully later this year)   it is intended to register
> the operation as a Charitable Incorporated Organisation.
>
> Part of the strategy (a grand word for such a small operation!) for
> the charity is to use a website to improve awareness of its existence
> and remit and - of course - to be a vehicle for fundraising.
>
> Here's an idea of what we want:
>
> A simple website likehttp://www.glutenfree-crawley.org.uk/orhttp://www.leicesteranimalaid.org.uk/ would be adequate to begin
> with, and although it is probably within my personal competencies to
> create such a simple site, I would be unable - for example - to
> incorporate even a  modest "shop" which would be a short-term
> objective to assist in fund raising.  I would not want to create a
> basic site and then hand that over to someone else to implant the
> shop, as that is a recipe for confusion and cost!
>
> We would like an offer for creating a site similar tohttp://www.glutenfree-crawley.org.uk/orhttp://www.leicesteranimalaid.org.uk/, hosting same and implementing
> a modest shop.   As far as the shop is concerned, there might be a
> maximum of 20 categories and no more than 1000 items - but items per
> category is probably not a basis for costing anyway.  We will NOT want
> a forum or even a guest book; we will want email forms (or, more
> accurately a method of contacting us by email that is somewhat
> protected against spam or address harvesting),  a POP3 mailbox (or
> several if they come at no additional cost, as I would expect within
> reason), a 'paypal donate now' button supporting gift-aid declarations
You are asking a heck of a lot hear, unless you want to add the 1000
items to the shopping cart yourself?
It is a lot of work to add content to a site generally, but to add
heaps of items to a shopping cart will cost a lot, as the images will
all need to be re-sized and added in etc.
I could do the actual design of the website for free, as a part of my
Free Web Design Online project, but the shopping cart, like forum
software or anything else will need to be done with another software
package, such as Zen cart, useing such a  software package would allow
you to add content yourself, but then you have the issue of exactly
how people are going to pay you. So I might suggest just useing PayPal
for the lot, as if you get a bizness account you can use the shopping
cart system and people cam then pay you directly, I actually have
access to Paypal myself, so I can use it for hosting clients. Although
I tend to include the domain name as a part of the hosting package
(cause it is just nicer  for the client as they can get everything in
one package.

> I would want to do the maintenance of the site and shop by ftp (or a
> CMS if provided at no additional cost) once created;  the domainswww.parrotaid.co.ukandwww.parrotaid.org.ukare already registered
> with 123-reg.co.uk.
Well, you kind of want to different things hear, a shopping cart and
the website.They are different, as with a shopping cart, you need an
SSL certificate (which means you will need a dedicated IP address,
which all costs extra money, unless you use the Paypal option (as they
provide the payment system.

> It is our intention that it be an information site, not an
> entertainment site: in other words effective content is FAR MORE
> important than flashy yoof-oriented exciting design - which is why we
> liked the Gluten Free site. No Flash, thank you. No music, thank you.
> No tricksy buttons, thank you.  Maybe one animated gif in a 'Kiddies
> Corner' but that's about it.
>
Take a look at my portfolio http://freewebdesignonline.org/portfolio.php
>  The one issue I have with these two 'baseline' sites is that they
> appear to be designed for fixed-width browsing: I would want our sites
> elegantly to reflow according to the viewers preference for browser
> width (well, within reason. What is reasonable?  I have no idea yet)
>
Well, that question is rather tricky to answer as it varies, depending
on  personal preference.But you are clever for at least thinking of
that, as a lot of web designers don't even get that concept.
But my website design should fit your needs for the most part.
But a few things you must look out for when chooseing a web designer,
does their website validate as HTML 4.01 Strict, or XHTML 1.0 Strict,
if not then they are useing HTML that is out of date, that will
probably not work as well in some browsing environments. The site
should also be accessible, in other words, test the site with a text
to speech reader, or text only browser, if the site does not work in
such an environment, then I would not hire them.
As it is law in the UK and other countries under the DDA, that your
website needs to be accessible to people with barious disabilities.
I should point out that I have been makeing some changes to my own
site recently, so one or two pages may not validate, but I can tell
you that I know the specific problems, and I can also tell you that
the errors will be no affect on how the pages display in a web
browser, as the issue is with a meta tag (which I will remove very
soon.
--
Regards Chad. http://freewebdesignonline.org

Register at www.it4communities.org.uk; you will be able to list your 
project and may well be able to secure a volunteer web developer to do 
it for free.

On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 06:34:08 -0800 (PST), Chaddy2222
 wrote:


>You are asking a heck of a lot hear, unless you want to add the 1000
>items to the shopping cart yourself?
>It is a lot of work to add content to a site generally, but to add
>heaps of items to a shopping cart will cost a lot, as the images will
>all need to be re-sized and added in etc.
Perhaps I needed to explain a bit better here.  If we had a category
"Bird Food" for example, we might have 5 different types of bird food
each of which would be sold as -say -  1kg, 2kg 5kg 10kg and 25kg.  So
there's 25 items in that category already, but all essentially based
on the same 'master item'. 

But I take your point  about the overhead of populating and
maintaining  the database: I am retired and have plenty of time and
still retain sufficient of my marbles to have the ability to create
and resize images and populate and maintain a database (although no
longer the desire to design one now that Sapphire's DataEase can no
longer be made to run on a machine running anything later than
Window98!).  I have cleansed, manipulated and reformatted more data
than I care to remember in the pursuit of getting my main job done.  I
can do it a few more times in a good cause :) 1000 records does't
scare me, mate! :)

>I could do the actual design of the website for free, as a part of my
>Free Web Design Online project, 
That is a very kind offer indeed.

>but the shopping cart, like forum
>software or anything else will need to be done with another software
>package, such as Zen cart, useing such a  software package would allow
>you to add content yourself, but then you have the issue of exactly
>how people are going to pay you. So I might suggest just useing PayPal
>for the lot, as if you get a bizness account you can use the shopping
>cart system and people cam then pay you directly, I actually have
>access to Paypal myself, so I can use it for hosting clients. Although
>I tend to include the domain name as a part of the hosting package
>(cause it is just nicer  for the client as they can get everything in
>one package.

I'm not sure I understand exactly what you are saying, but I don't
think I have a problem with it.  We would aim at using pay pal for
convenience (and record keeping) and I think I xpected that  the
'shop' would be a 'bolt on' 3rd-party solution.  You might be saying
that paypal offer a turnkey shopping solution - and I'll check that
out.  It might make a lot of sense. 
>

>Well, you kind of want to different things hear, a shopping cart and
>the website.They are different, as with a shopping cart, you need an
>SSL certificate (which means you will need a dedicated IP address,
>which all costs extra money, unless you use the Paypal option (as they
>provide the payment system.
Then Paypal it would be, I think!


>>
>Take a look at my portfolio http://freewebdesignonline.org/portfolio.php

Hah!  The Old English Sheepdog rescue site is very similar to what we
have in mind.  I did see your site the other day, but I had my
reservations about the practicalities of  being able to work easily
with someone half-way around the world.  But I see the Sheepdog place
had no trouble! 


> The site
>should also be accessible, in other words, test the site with a text
>to speech reader, or text only browser, if the site does not work in
>such an environment, then I would not hire them.
Thank you for that timely reminder!   I knew about the requirement but
I had assumed (how naive!0 that any designer worht their salt would-
these days - design with the DDA and accessibility in mind.

Much food for thoiught and for disucssion with the Boss :)  Thanks

On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:56:10 +0000, CJM 
wrote:

>Register at www.it4communities.org.uk; you will be able to list your 
>project and may well be able to secure a volunteer web developer to do 
>it for free.

FANTASTIC!   I *knew* there had to be a resource like that, I searched
a day or so ago and couldn't find anything.  Just wasn't asking the
right question, I guess.

Thanks a bazillion Zimbabwe Dollars for that!

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On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 15:50:26 +0000, Geoff Berrow
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>
>>Please apply ROT13 to the genuine ROT13'd email adress below if you
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>
>You (should)  have mail.
I probably would have if I'd remembered to set the account up in
Outlook and not just on the ISP!  Oh the curse of middle age!

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>>You (should)  have mail.
>I probably would have if I'd remembered to set the account up in
>Outlook and not just on the ISP!  Oh the curse of middle age!

Know all about that!!

Re-sent.
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>>>You (should)  have mail.
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>
> Know all about that!!

Shows in your music

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>> Know all about that!!
>
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Yes indeed, it takes a long time to learn how to play that good.
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On Mar 7, 2:23 am, me here  wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Mar 2009 06:34:08 -0800 (PST), Chaddy2222
>
>  wrote:
> >You are asking a heck of a lot hear, unless you want to add the 1000
> >items to the shopping cart yourself?
> >It is a lot of work to add content to a site generally, but to add
> >heaps of items to a shopping cart will cost a lot, as the images will
> >all need to be re-sized and added in etc.
>
> Perhaps I needed to explain a bit better here.  If we had a category
> "Bird Food" for example, we might have 5 different types of bird food
> each of which would be sold as -say -  1kg, 2kg 5kg 10kg and 25kg.  So
> there's 25 items in that category already, but all essentially based
> on the same 'master item'.
>
> But I take your point  about the overhead of populating and
> maintaining  the database: I am retired and have plenty of time and
> still retain sufficient of my marbles to have the ability to create
> and resize images and populate and maintain a database (although no
> longer the desire to design one now that Sapphire's DataEase can no
> longer be made to run on a machine running anything later than
> Window98!).  I have cleansed, manipulated and reformatted more data
> than I care to remember in the pursuit of getting my main job done.  I
> can do it a few more times in a good cause :) 1000 records does't
> scare me, mate! :)
>
> >I could do the actual design of the website for free, as a part of my
> >Free Web Design Online project,
>
> That is a very kind offer indeed.
>
> >but the shopping cart, like forum
> >software or anything else will need to be done with another software
> >package, such as Zen cart, useing such a  software package would allow
> >you to add content yourself, but then you have the issue of exactly
> >how people are going to pay you. So I might suggest just useing PayPal
> >for the lot, as if you get a bizness account you can use the shopping
> >cart system and people cam then pay you directly, I actually have
> >access to Paypal myself, so I can use it for hosting clients. Although
> >I tend to include the domain name as a part of the hosting package
> >(cause it is just nicer  for the client as they can get everything in
> >one package.
>
> I'm not sure I understand exactly what you are saying, but I don't
> think I have a problem with it.  We would aim at using pay pal for
> convenience (and record keeping) and I think I xpected that  the
> 'shop' would be a 'bolt on' 3rd-party solution.  You might be saying
> that paypal offer a turnkey shopping solution - and I'll check that
> out.  It might make a lot of sense.
>
>
>
Yes, that is baysicly what I was saying, you just create the product
pages and place a buy now button under or beside each product.
Paypal even provide the code for the button.

> >Well, you kind of want to different things hear, a shopping cart and
> >the website.They are different, as with a shopping cart, you need an
> >SSL certificate (which means you will need a dedicated IP address,
> >which all costs extra money, unless you use the Paypal option (as they
> >provide the payment system.
>
> Then Paypal it would be, I think!
>
>
>
> >Take a look at my portfoliohttp://freewebdesignonline.org/portfolio.php
>
> Hah!  The Old English Sheepdog rescue site is very similar to what we
> have in mind.  I did see your site the other day, but I had my
> reservations about the practicalities of  being able to work easily
> with someone half-way around the world.  But I see the Sheepdog place
> had no trouble!
Yep, I also have a UK client at the moment, that is another animal
rescue sanctuary.

>
> > The site
> >should also be accessible, in other words, test the site with a text
> >to speech reader, or text only browser, if the site does not work in
> >such an environment, then I would not hire them.
>
> Thank you for that timely reminder!   I knew about the requirement but
> I had assumed (how naive!0 that any designer worht their salt would-
> these days - design with the DDA and accessibility in mind.
>
> Much food for thoiught and for disucssion with the Boss :)  Thanks

That's fine, I might also be able to give you a good price on web
hosting,as I can now offer that as well and I have two clients who are
both very happy with my hosting plans (and that was before they were
even launched!.
I will be placeing more info on the website about the web hosting
shortly But feel free to email me and i'll give you a price.
--
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me here wrote:
> Thanks a bazillion Zimbabwe Dollars for that!

Hey! I thought my answer was worth a little more than that...

Edit: Turns out a *billion* ZWD is equal to about £19. I'll take it. 
Would you like to pay by Paypal?

On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:05:33 +0000, CJM 
wrote:

>me here wrote:
>> Thanks a bazillion Zimbabwe Dollars for that!
>
>Hey! I thought my answer was worth a little more than that...
>
>Edit: Turns out a *billion* ZWD is equal to about £19. I'll take it. 
>Would you like to pay by Paypal?

Could I wait a few days ?

:)

On Mar 10, 4:10 am, me here  wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:05:33 퍍, CJM 
> wrote:
>
> >me here wrote:
> >> Thanks a bazillion Zimbabwe Dollars for that!
>
> >Hey! I thought my answer was worth a little more than that...
>
> >Edit: Turns out a *billion* ZWD is equal to about £19. I'll take it.
> >Would you like to pay by Paypal?
>
> Could I wait a few days ?
Where are you at with all this? Have you found someone that you want
to design the site yet? as I will need to write up a plan and the like
if you want me to work on the project.
--
Regards Chad. http://freewebdesignonline.org

On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 04:02:12 -0700 (PDT), Chaddy2222
 wrote:

>On Mar 10, 4:10 am, me here  wrote:
>> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:05:33 +0000, CJM 
>> wrote:
>>
>> >me here wrote:
>> >> Thanks a bazillion Zimbabwe Dollars for that!
>>
>> >Hey! I thought my answer was worth a little more than that...
>>
>> >Edit: Turns out a *billion* ZWD is equal to about £19. I'll take it.
>> >Would you like to pay by Paypal?
>>
>> Could I wait a few days ?
>Where are you at with all this? Have you found someone that you want
>to design the site yet? as I will need to write up a plan and the like
>if you want me to work on the project.
I'm gathering expressions of interest from a small number of folks,
then I'll chat through things with the 'founder' of the charity and
get back to those who have expressed interest.

Cheers

On Mar 10, 11:56 pm, me here  wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 04:02:12 -0700 (PDT), Chaddy2222
>
>
>
>
>
>  wrote:
> >On Mar 10, 4:10 am, me here  wrote:
> >> On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:05:33 퍍, CJM 
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >me here wrote:
> >> >> Thanks a bazillion Zimbabwe Dollars for that!
>
> >> >Hey! I thought my answer was worth a little more than that...
>
> >> >Edit: Turns out a *billion* ZWD is equal to about £19. I'll take it> >> >Would you like to pay by Paypal?
>
> >> Could I wait a few days ?
> >Where are you at with all this? Have you found someone that you want
> >to design the site yet? as I will need to write up a plan and the like
> >if you want me to work on the project.
>
> I'm gathering expressions of interest from a small number of folks,
> then I'll chat through things with the 'founder' of the charity and
> get back to those who have expressed interest.
>
> Cheers-
>
That is fine. It is also probably the best way of doing the job,
rather then just picking the first person that comes along.
--
Regards Chad. http://freewebdesignonline.org

On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 07:43:47 -0700 (PDT), Chaddy2222
 wrote:

>>
>> I'm gathering expressions of interest from a small number of folks,
>> then I'll chat through things with the 'founder' of the charity and
>> get back to those who have expressed interest.
>>
>> Cheers-
>>
>That is fine. It is also probably the best way of doing the job,
>rather then just picking the first person that comes along.

Yes, it is.  At my age you are definitely like the old bull, not the
young bull.   


Two bulls gaze down at a herd of cows grazing by the stream below.
feeling horny (boom boom!) the young bull paws the ground and pants
"Hey, Old Bull - why don't we charge down there and get us a one of
those fine heifers, eh? Eh? Cummon! Lock and Load! Eh? Eh?"  The
avuncular Old Bull looks calmly and wisely at the frantic youngster:
"Well, Young Bull, why don't we stroll down, and get them ALL?".

On Mar 11, 3:51 am, me here  wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 07:43:47 -0700 (PDT), Chaddy2222
>
>  wrote:
>
> >> I'm gathering expressions of interest from a small number of folks,
> >> then I'll chat through things with the 'founder' of the charity and
> >> get back to those who have expressed interest.
>
> >> Cheers-
>
> >That is fine. It is also probably the best way of doing the job,
> >rather then just picking the first person that comes along.
>
> Yes, it is.  At my age you are definitely like the old bull, not the
> young bull.  
>
> Two bulls gaze down at a herd of cows grazing by the stream below.
> feeling horny (boom boom!) the young bull paws the ground and pants
> "Hey, Old Bull - why don't we charge down there and get us a one of
> those fine heifers, eh? Eh? Cummon! Lock and Load! Eh? Eh?"  The
> avuncular Old Bull looks calmly and wisely at the frantic youngster:
> "Well, Young Bull, why don't we stroll down, and get them ALL?".
Hahaha, yeah that is an old joke that one.
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