Simple, really - is it possible to have both IE6 and IE7 running 
side-by-side on the same computer without a separate, virtual operating 
environment or a dual boot whatsit?

Any suggestions welcome.

Cheers

"Trent SC" <invalid@bogoff.invalid> wrote in message 
news:bcmdnR1PNebwB8jVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@posted.plusnet...
> Simple, really - is it possible to have both IE6 and IE7 running 
> side-by-side on the same computer without a separate, virtual operating 
> environment or a dual boot whatsit?

I think the way I had done it before was actually an IE6 'simulator'. I went 
to open it for details but it seems to have vanished from my drive.

The function is possible.

-dE|_---

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 23:40:44 +0100, Trent SC wrote:
> Simple, really - is it possible to have both IE6 and IE7 running 
> side-by-side on the same computer without a separate, virtual operating 
> environment or a dual boot whatsit?


There's a standalone version of IE6 you can download here:

http://browsers.evolt.org/download.php?/ie/32bit/standalone/ie6eolas_nt.zip

It's the version Microsoft had to release due to the Eolas lawsuit, and if
there are any Flash files on a page you get an annoying 'press okay to
continue loading the page' message; other than that, it's exactly the same
as the original IE6.


-- 
Safalra (Stephen Morley)

The ¡white-space¢ Property In CSS:
http://www.safalra.com/web-design/html-and-css/white-space-property/

"Safalra (Stephen Morley)"  wrote in message
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> There's a standalone version of IE6 you can download here:
>
> http://browsers.evolt.org/download.php?/ie/32bit/standalone/ie6eolas_nt.zip
>
> It's the version Microsoft had to release due to the Eolas lawsuit
> ..........

Funny, "Help ... About" reports the current IE7 version number, although it
does indeed look like IE6.   I haven't allowed it to modify the registry in
case it screws up the way IE7 works - maybe that's why?.  I always assumed
that Help ... About read something in the exe file but it seems not.

-- 
Tony W
My e-mail address has no hyphen
- but please don't use it, reply to the group.

On 15/6/08 11:40 pm, in article
bcmdnR1PNebwB8jVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@posted.plusnet, "Trent SC"
<invalid@bogoff.invalid> wrote:

> Simple, really - is it possible to have both IE6 and IE7 running
> side-by-side on the same computer without a separate, virtual operating
> environment or a dual boot whatsit?
> 
> Any suggestions welcome.

One of the developers in the office runs 6 and 7 side by side.  The only
problem I'm aware of is that it must use parts of IE7's engine as there are
certain things that don't behave like 6.  We had a glitch the other day
where an image didn't have the width and height set and it came out really
tiny on true IE6 but looked fine on the parallel version in the office.

-- 
Andy Jacobs
http://www.redcatmedia.co.uk

On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 23:40:44 +0100, "Trent SC"
<invalid@bogoff.invalid> wrote:

>Simple, really - is it possible to have both IE6 and IE7 running 
>side-by-side on the same computer without a separate, virtual operating 
>environment or a dual boot whatsit?

For XP try:
http://tredosoft.com/Multiple_IE

Last I heard nothing worked (aside from a VM) for Vista.

"Stuart Millington"  wrote in message 
news:cqtd54pcj290plco7bll03n809a9eeht7o@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 23:40:44 +0100, "Trent SC"
> <invalid@bogoff.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Simple, really - is it possible to have both IE6 and IE7 running
>>side-by-side on the same computer without a separate, virtual operating
>>environment or a dual boot whatsit?
>
> For XP try:
> http://tredosoft.com/Multiple_IE
>
> Last I heard nothing worked (aside from a VM) for Vista.
>
Now there's a surprise.

"Safalra (Stephen Morley)"  wrote

<snip> -- 

> The ¡white-space¢ Property In CSS:
> http://www.safalra.com/web-design/html-and-css/white-space-property/

Very nice, how did you get the S & W pngs over the <h1>? I can't find it in 
the HTML or CSS.

-dE|_---

On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 18:04:06 +0100, dE|_ wrote:
> "Safalra (Stephen Morley)"  wrote
> 
> <snip> -- 
> 
>> The ¡white-space¢ Property In CSS:
>> http://www.safalra.com/web-design/html-and-css/white-space-property/
> 
> Very nice, how did you get the S & W pngs over the <h1>? I can't find it in 
> the HTML or CSS.


See shared.js from line 119. I had to put it in the JavaScript as Google
doesn't see <span>W</span>ord as a single word. The CSS is then just:

img.initial{
  position:relative;
  bottom:-20px;
  margin-right:-15px;
  margin-left:-20px;
}

The characters are positioned within their images so that they are properly
kerned. It took an age to get it all looking right...


-- 
Safalra (Stephen Morley)
http://www.safalra.com/

Trent SC wrote:
> Simple, really - is it possible to have both IE6 and IE7 running 
> side-by-side on the same computer without a separate, virtual operating 
> environment or a dual boot whatsit?

Why don't you want to use a VM? Setting up VirtualBox is as easy as the 
easiest thing on World Easy Day.

With a VM you're getting a true rendering, unlike the alternatives that 
I've seen.

As part of the Internet Explorer 8 Beta support package, Microsoft
offer their own VM system (VirtualPC) with 'pre-loaded' IE developer
vitual machines - stripped-down windows installations (XP at least,
I'm not sure if they do Vista ones too) with IE 6 and IE7.

This solution is best for XP users who have installed (or want to
install the IE8 Beta, and don't use IE 6/7 for their primary browser
(I'm guessing most folks here don't!). If you already have IE7 and
don't want to jump into IE8 Beta yet (understandeable...) then the
MultipleIEs / evolt archive versions are probably best. But it can be
tricky to get it 100% right, as someone mentioned it's possible to end
up running the IE7 engine under an IE6 'shell'. Which is thoroughly
useless.

If you want to go for the virtual PC option, then do bear in mind:
Booting up a resource-heavy virtual machine to test each little change
is a pain in the ass, and getting 'localhost' to work correctly was a
bit of a fiddle, but you're guaranteed to get an accurate IE6/IE7
interpretation of your page.

Searching now, it looks like they're wrapped everything together now,
so you can get all the Virtual Machine images in one package here:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=21EABB90-958F-4B64-B5F1-73D0A413C8EF&displaylang=en

You'll need to get VirtualPC, check further down the page.

sworm wrote:
 > As part of the Internet Explorer 8 Beta support package, Microsoft
 > offer their own VM system (VirtualPC) with 'pre-loaded' IE developer
 > vitual machines - stripped-down windows installations (XP at least,
 > I'm not sure if they do Vista ones too) with IE 6 and IE7.
 >
 > This solution is best for XP users

Thanks, but I use Ubuntu Linux.
It makes my computing experience so much easier and more relaxing. This 
is why I use VirtualBox, and it runs fine even on a laptop with only 
1Gig of memory.

 > up running the IE7 engine under an IE6 'shell'. Which is thoroughly
 > useless.

Agreed. I tried it, though only once.

On 30/6/08 9:57 am, in article 4868a027$0$2925$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk,
"treadmill-- with the great taste of fish" <nope> wrote:

> sworm wrote:
>> As part of the Internet Explorer 8 Beta support package, Microsoft
>> offer their own VM system (VirtualPC) with 'pre-loaded' IE developer
>> vitual machines - stripped-down windows installations (XP at least,
>> I'm not sure if they do Vista ones too) with IE 6 and IE7.
>> 
>> This solution is best for XP users
> 
> Thanks, but I use Ubuntu Linux.
> It makes my computing experience so much easier and more relaxing. This
> is why I use VirtualBox, and it runs fine even on a laptop with only
> 1Gig of memory.

Is that a good emulator?  I've got Wine and I've tried to install iTunes and
Quicktime on Wine but it won't work.

-- 
Andy Jacobs
http://www.redcatmedia.co.uk

Andy Jacobs wrote:
> On 30/6/08 9:57 am, in article 4868a027$0$2925$fa0fcedb@news.zen.co.uk,
> "treadmill-- with the great taste of fish" <nope> wrote:
>> Thanks, but I use Ubuntu Linux.
>> It makes my computing experience so much easier and more relaxing. This
>> is why I use VirtualBox, and it runs fine even on a laptop with only
>> 1Gig of memory.
> 
> Is that a good emulator?  I've got Wine and I've tried to install iTunes and
> Quicktime on Wine but it won't work.

It's great virtual machine software; I'm very impressed. It runs XP on 
my Ubuntu Linux laptop really well and is very easy to install. For me 
it was a case of double-clicking on a .deb file and job done! There are 
good howtos available on the net for setting up your first virtual 
machine, although it's actually a very easy wizard-based process.

It's a smallish download (a little over 20Mb) and a quick look at my 
system monitor tells me that, without running a VM, VirtualBox is taking 
up just over 3Mb of memory. You can allocate as much or as little memory 
as you want to your VM.

I think it really is the best way to test multiple IEs. The XP VM only 
takes seconds to load on my laptop, and switching between XP and Ubuntu 
is very quick and smooth. Once the VM is loaded it's the same as 
switching between any other application I'm running. (I have the VM 
running on one of my Ubuntu desktops and swap between the VM and Ubuntu 
by using the Compiz cube. Nice and easy.)

There were only a couple of minor issues for me at the start. I didn't 
realise at first how important it is to install the Guest Additions - if 
you try it, make sure you do that - but that's probably because I didn't 
RTFM at all...

The forum is good and helpful with Sun staff on hand.

It's open source. Have a look: http://www.virtualbox.org/