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date: Mon, 12 May 2008 06:52:44 +0100,    group: uk.net.web.authoring        back       
What are "broken fragments" in links?   
If I check the links on

http://www.g8wrb.org/mathematica/
(php source at http://www.g8wrb.org/mathematica/index.phps )

by using the validator at http://validator.w3.org/

http://validator.w3.org/checklink?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.g8wrb.org%2Fmathematica%2F&hide_type=all&recursive=on&depth=2&cookie=set&check=Check

I get an error several errors about 'broken fragments' when I link to 
Google Groups - see below. Yet if I go to 
http://www.g8wrb.org/mathematica/ the links too Google Groups work fine.

Any idea what the problem is? How should I best fix it?

Dave

     Line: 209
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.unix.solaris/browse_thread/thread/28de6dd19027d8b1/f61aa2098875f908?
     What to do: There are broken fragments which must be fixed.
     Response status code: 200
     Response message: OK
     Line: 106

     Broken fragments and their line numbers: They need to be fixed!
         f61aa2098875f908: 106

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.math.symbolic/browse_thread/thread/4a8acbd97b1edbc1/3998f7536ec27cbc?
     What to do: There are broken fragments which must be fixed.
     Response status code: 200
     Response message: OK
     Line: 189

     Broken fragments and their line numbers: They need to be fixed!
         3998f7536ec27cbc: 189

http://groups.google.cl/group/sci.math.symbolic/browse_thread/thread/c07a8230fbf01bc1/837b00dfbaaa31aa?
     What to do: There are broken fragments which must be fixed.
     Response status code: 200
     Response message: OK
     Line: 203

     Broken fragments and their line numbers: They need to be fixed!
         837b00dfbaaa31aa: 203

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.math.symbolic/browse_thread/thread/3614dc0ccab52f29/4d2ac9cf438f5da2?hl=en&lnk=st&q=Mathematica+cpu+usage+solaris
     What to do: There are broken fragments which must be fixed.
     Response status code: 200
     Response message: OK
     Lines: 107, 115

     Broken fragments and their line numbers: They need to be fixed!
         4d2ac9cf438f5da2: 107, 115
date: Mon, 12 May 2008 06:52:44 +0100   author:   Dave

Re: What are "broken fragments" in links?   
Message-ID:  from Dave contained the following:

>Any idea what the problem is? How should I best fix it?

This probably isn't a link to a directory in a series of directories as
you might expect but rather a way of passing a number of variables to a
database query.

Does replacing the '?'  with a  '/' at the end help (doesn't seem to
affect the link)?

-- 
Geoff Berrow  0110001001101100010000000110
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date: Mon, 12 May 2008 08:03:52 +0100   author:   Geoff Berrow

Re: What are "broken fragments" in links?   
On Mon, 12 May 2008 06:52:44 +0100, Dave wrote:

> 
>      Broken fragments and their line numbers: They need to be fixed!
>          4d2ac9cf438f5da2: 107, 115

Usually a fragment is the part of a URL after a "#" sign which matches an 
anchor of the form <a name="xyz"> in the document.

I suspect in this case Google Groups generates a fragment name that's 
different every time you visit the group page, so storing it and using it 
later simply won't work.

Either that or I've totally missed the point. I didn't look too hard.

-- 
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date: Mon, 12 May 2008 02:44:56 -0500   author:   anahata

Re: What are "broken fragments" in links?   
<uk.net.web.authoring>
<Dave>
<Mon, 12 May 2008 06:52:44 +0100>


> Any idea what the problem is?

Yes , The validator isnt as smart as it likes to think it is .

> How should I best fix it?

Stop regarding the validator as being some sort of god .
 

-- 
www.krustov.co.uk
date: Mon, 12 May 2008 10:44:18 +0100   author:   Krustov

Re: What are "broken fragments" in links?   
Krustov wrote:
> <uk.net.web.authoring>
> <Dave>
> <Mon, 12 May 2008 06:52:44 +0100>
> 
> 
>> Any idea what the problem is?
> 
> Yes , The validator isnt as smart as it likes to think it is .

So are those links in my php code valid as strict HTML?


> 
>> How should I best fix it?
> 
> Stop regarding the validator as being some sort of god .
>  
> 

I'm not reguarding it as god, but if there is an issue, I would like to 
know how to resolve it. The links work fine on my computers (one a Sun 
SPARC running Solaris 10 with Firfox and the other a laptop running 
Solaris and Firefox). I've not checked with any other browsers I must 
admit.
date: Mon, 12 May 2008 15:18:36 +0100   author:   Dave

Re: What are "broken fragments" in links?   
<uk.net.web.authoring>
<Dave>
<Mon, 12 May 2008 15:18:36 +0100>


> >> How should I best fix it?
> > 
> > Stop regarding the validator as being some sort of god .
> >  
> > 
> 
> I'm not reguarding it as god, but if there is an issue, I would like to 
> know how to resolve it. The links work fine on my computers (one a Sun 
> SPARC running Solaris 10 with Firfox and the other a laptop running 
> Solaris and Firefox).
> 

If the links work fine - then is there actually a issue ? .

Not yourself , But most people who do the web authoring thingy are brain 
dead in terms of if you ask for a site critique - they dont actually 
look at website or access the good or bad web design layouts - they just 
run it through the validator .


-- 
www.krustov.co.uk
date: Mon, 12 May 2008 15:48:20 +0100   author:   Krustov

Re: What are "broken fragments" in links?   
Krustov wrote:
> <uk.net.web.authoring>
> <Dave>
> <Mon, 12 May 2008 15:18:36 +0100>
> 
> 
>>>> How should I best fix it?
>>> Stop regarding the validator as being some sort of god .
>>>  
>>>
>> I'm not reguarding it as god, but if there is an issue, I would like to 
>> know how to resolve it. The links work fine on my computers (one a Sun 
>> SPARC running Solaris 10 with Firfox and the other a laptop running 
>> Solaris and Firefox).
>>
> 
> If the links work fine - then is there actually a issue ? .

If they worked fine in every browser then no. But I would have more 
chance in them working in all browsers if they are valid HTML.

> Not yourself , But most people who do the web authoring thingy are brain 
> dead in terms of if you ask for a site critique - they dont actually 
> look at website or access the good or bad web design layouts - they just 
> run it through the validator .


Although a lot of sites that dont work well don't validate anyway.
date: Mon, 12 May 2008 16:14:50 +0100   author:   Dave

Re: What are "broken fragments" in links?   
On May 12, 6:52 am, Dave  wrote:
> If I check the links on
>
> http://www.g8wrb.org/mathematica/
> (php source athttp://www.g8wrb.org/mathematica/index.phps)
>
> by using the validator athttp://validator.w3.org/
>
> http://validator.w3.org/checklink?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.g8wrb.org%2Fma...> I get an error several errors about 'broken fragments' when I link to
> Google Groups - see below. Yet if I go tohttp://www.g8wrb.org/mathematica/the links too Google Groups work fine.
>
> Any idea what the problem is? How should I best fix it?

You have links to
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.math.symbolic/browse_thread/thread/3614dc0ccab52f29/4d2ac9cf438f5da2?hl=en&lnk=st&q=Mathematica犛뺺욠篫⢕ꫢ#4d2ac9cf438f5da2

but the page
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.math.symbolic/browse_thread/thread/3614dc0ccab52f29/4d2ac9cf438f5da2?hl=en&lnk=st&q=Mathematica犛뺺욠篫⢕ꫢ
has no <foo id="4d2ac9cf438f5da2"> or <a name="4d2ac9cf438f5da2">
anywhere in its source code.

Hence the fragment is broken. Delete the #4d2ac9cf438f5da2 from the
end of the link and it will work just the same and keep the W3's link
checker happy.

   Steve
date: Mon, 12 May 2008 09:31:19 -0700 (PDT)   author:   Steve Pugh

Re: What are "broken fragments" in links?   
Steve Pugh wrote:
> On May 12, 6:52 am, Dave  wrote:
>> If I check the links on
>>
>> http://www.g8wrb.org/mathematica/
>> (php source athttp://www.g8wrb.org/mathematica/index.phps)
>>
>> by using the validator athttp://validator.w3.org/
>>
>> http://validator.w3.org/checklink?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.g8wrb.org%2Fma...
>>
>> I get an error several errors about 'broken fragments' when I link to
>> Google Groups - see below. Yet if I go tohttp://www.g8wrb.org/mathematica/the links too Google Groups work fine.
>>
>> Any idea what the problem is? How should I best fix it?
> 
> You have links to
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.math.symbolic/browse_thread/thread/3614dc0ccab52f29/4d2ac9cf438f5da2?hl=en&lnk=st&q=Mathematica+cpu+usage+solaris#4d2ac9cf438f5da2
> 
> but the page
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.math.symbolic/browse_thread/thread/3614dc0ccab52f29/4d2ac9cf438f5da2?hl=en&lnk=st&q=Mathematica+cpu+usage+solaris
> has no <foo id="4d2ac9cf438f5da2"> or <a name="4d2ac9cf438f5da2">
> anywhere in its source code.
> 
> Hence the fragment is broken. Delete the #4d2ac9cf438f5da2 from the
> end of the link and it will work just the same and keep the W3's link
> checker happy.
> 
>    Steve
> 
> 

Cheers Steve. That saves a few bytes in the HTTP request too!

Dave
date: Tue, 13 May 2008 06:10:03 +0100   author:   Dave

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