What is allowed immediately inside a block-level list element?

For example, is:

<ul>
        <div>
                <li></li>
                <li></li>
                <li></li>
        </div>
        <div>
                <li></li>
                <li></li>
                <li></li>
        </div>
</ul>

valid (i.e. are the <div>s, allowed there)?

I presume not, but I couldn't find a declaration in the specifications
to the effect: you shall not have any elements directly inside a <ul>
other than a <li>.

Daniele

On 30 Apr, 12:46, real-not-anti-spam-addr...@apple-juice.co.uk (D.M.
Procida) wrote:
> What is allowed immediately inside a [...] list element?

<!-- Unordered Lists (UL) bullet styles -->
<!ELEMENT UL - - (LI)+                 -- unordered list -->

From http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/sgml/dtd.html

So that's one or more <li>, and no other elements.

Surely you read c.i.w.a.h?

On Wed, 30 Apr 2008, Andy Dingley wrote:

> <!-- Unordered Lists (UL) bullet styles -->
> <!ELEMENT UL - - (LI)+                 -- unordered list -->
>
> From http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/sgml/dtd.html

Or  http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/lists/ul.html
which is easier to read.

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Andreas Prilop wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Apr 2008, Andy Dingley wrote:
> 
>> <!-- Unordered Lists (UL) bullet styles -->
>> <!ELEMENT UL - - (LI)+                 -- unordered list -->
>>
>> From http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/sgml/dtd.html
> 
> Or  http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/lists/ul.html
> which is easier to read.
> 

Surely you can put a <span> in anywhere?  If so, why not a <div>?

Phil, London

On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:29:19 +0100, Philip Herlihy wrote:

>> 
> Surely you can put a <span> in anywhere?  If so, why not a <div>?

Noooooo you can't! 
In general, you're not allowed to enclose any block element in any inline 
element.
In practice, browsers tend to allow it where the meaning is obvious, but 
of course it's very bad practice to rely on that.

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Anahata wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:29:19 +0100, Philip Herlihy wrote:
> 
>> Surely you can put a <span> in anywhere?  If so, why not a <div>?
> 
> Noooooo you can't! 
> In general, you're not allowed to enclose any block element in any inline 
> element.
> In practice, browsers tend to allow it where the meaning is obvious, but 
> of course it's very bad practice to rely on that.
> 

That makes sense!  Thanks!

But reflecting... aren't <li> items block items?

(If you hide your ignorance you tend to keep it!)

Phil

On Thu, 01 May 2008 22:01:58 +0100, Philip Herlihy wrote:

> 
> But reflecting... aren't <li> items block items?

Yes. What's the problem with that?

In this context, it means you shouldn't say
<span style="xxx">
  <li>
    text
  </li>
</span> 

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On 1 May, 22:01, Philip Herlihy  wrote:

> But reflecting... aren't <li> items block items?

There are no simple "block items".

Blockishness is defined separately for both where things can be put,
and what you can put inside them (and also again for CSS defaults). If
you want to understand this, you have to keep these three concepts of
"blockishness" separate.

For that matter, <li> isn't even a block element (meaning that it's a
member of %block; thus can be put in the same places as <div> or <p>).
<li> is special and has a particular symbiotic relationship with <ul>
and <ol>.