On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:10:51 +0000, Peter Clinch
 wrote:

>The Todal wrote:
>
>> This group seems to have become a massive gripe-fest, and the anger and 
>> animosity (to which I may myself have added by one angry post I made 
>> yesterday) will probably be counter-productive.  A group that was set up to 
>> discuss moderation policy and the pros and cons of certain moderation 
>> decisions will probably end up being ignored by the new moderators of urcm 
>> because they can't see the signals for the noise and can't tell what is a 
>> serious question and what is an attempt to bait another poster.
>
>This sort of nonse is, of course, a lot of the reason why urcm came to
>exist in the first place (urc got to be full of it).
>
>(While there still isn't a proper definition of "trolling" you should
>now have seen enough examples to get a reasonable feel, even if it's a
>subjective one.)


I was going to let this go - but since you have jumped in:

Chapman  has a well-known habit of coming out with such statistics
which are totally irrelevant - I still think my polite request for him
to fuck off was appropriate.

It  may have been the first time the Todal had seen it  - it was
another opportunity for him to come out with his usual bash a motorist
rhetoric - and add his own comments.

Did you notice that he had to add:

"There is only one reasonable conclusion, and it's not that driver
skill exhibits some unique distribution curve."


If I had dived in with 85% of cyclists think that they can jump red
lights - or 90% of cyclists  think that riding on a pavement was OK at
that point - you would have moaned and shouted:  - troll.


By the way did you know that

In 2007, there were 136 pedal cyclist fatalities and 2,428 seriously
injured casualties with the number killed or seriously injured
increasing in the last 3 years.

Measured per kilometre of exposure, overall cycling is one of the
riskiest forms of travel.

(DfT Road Accident Statistics Factsheet No. 4 – November 2008)


--  

British Medical Association (BMA)
View on helmets:

Several studies provided solid scientific evidence that bicycle helmets
protect against head, brain, severe brain and facial injuries,
as well as death, as a result of cycling accidents