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date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:50:43 -0800,    group: uk.net.news.moderation        back       
Whitelisting, part 2   
Once more, there seems to be a problem with my "white-listing" status:

2007.11.13

19:40:03

34006

Theo Delight <Theo_Delight@ yahoo.co.uk>

Re: Where there's a will...

moderate

Can a moderator please explain just what is going on?

It does rather look as if someone has been playing at Silly Buggers;
if that is what has happened, can they be prevented from doing that
again?

--
 x    If he has been, should he have meddled?
/|\
date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:50:43 -0800   author:   unknown

Re: Whitelisting, part 2   
On 13 Nov, 19:50, "Theo_Deli...@yahoo.co.uk"
 wrote:
> Once more, there seems to be a problem with my "white-listing" status:
>
> 2007.11.13
>
> 19:40:03
>
> 34006
>
> Theo Delight <Theo_Delight@ yahoo.co.uk>
>
> Re: Where there's a will...
>
> moderate

For comparison, here is the trace of the posting I made this morning:

2007.11.13

10:50:05

33993

Theo Delight <Theo_Delight@ yahoo.co.uk>

Where there's a will...

auto-post 10s

I do have my suspicions of what may have happened and why, but an
explanation may allay those.

--
 x   If he had been, was it really moderate?
/|\
date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:09:14 -0800   author:   unknown

Re: Whitelisting, part 2   
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:50:43 -0800, Theo_Delight@yahoo.co.uk wrote...

> Silly Buggers

I couldn't possibly hazard a guess about the top secret stopwords that 
prevent anyone's posts going through, even if they are whitelisted....

-- 
Tim Jackson
news@timjackson.plus.invalid
(Change '.invalid' to '.com' to reply direct)
date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:37:16 -0000   author:   Tim Jackson lid

Re: Whitelisting, part 2   
On Nov 14, 7:09 am, "Theo_Deli...@yahoo.co.uk"
 wrote:

>
> I do have my suspicions of what may have happened and why

Well I'll tell you then, you have been found out to be a liar and
there is some talk about you being a shirt lifter can you confirm or
deny?
date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:15:18 -0800   author:   Tony.

Re: Whitelisting, part 2   
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:50:43 -0800, "Theo_Delight@yahoo.co.uk"
 wrote:

>Once more, there seems to be a problem with my "white-listing" status:
>
>2007.11.13
>
>19:40:03
>
>34006
>
>Theo Delight <Theo_Delight@ yahoo.co.uk>
>
>Re: Where there's a will...
>
>moderate
>
>Can a moderator please explain just what is going on?
>
>It does rather look as if someone has been playing at Silly Buggers;
>if that is what has happened, can they be prevented from doing that
>again?

I don't know just what words are in the trigger list, but there were a
few in that post that could well be ("shit", "septic" for instance).

Even posts from whitelisted posters have to be manually accepted if
any of the trigger words are present in the post.
-- 
Alex Heney, Global Villager
You have to be sharp to be on the cutting edge.
To reply by email, my address is alexATheneyDOTplusDOTcom
date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:15:18 +0000   author:   Alex Heney

Re: Whitelisting, part 2   
On Nov 14, 7:37 am, Tim Jackson <n...@timjackson.plus.invalid> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:50:43 -0800, Theo_Deli...@yahoo.co.uk wrote...
> > Silly Buggers
>
> I couldn't possibly hazard a guess

Let me give it ago, Theo is a lying bastard and the mods have found
him out finally, well boys and girls.
date: 13 Nov 2007 15:38:20 -0800   author:   Tony.

Re: Whitelisting, part 2   
wrote in message 
news:1194984554.035445.204940@v65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> On 13 Nov, 19:50, "Theo_Deli...@yahoo.co.uk"
>  wrote:
>> Once more, there seems to be a problem with my "white-listing" status:
>>
>> 2007.11.13
>>
>> 19:40:03
>>
>> 34006
>>
>> Theo Delight <Theo_Delight@ yahoo.co.uk>
>>
>> Re: Where there's a will...
>>
>> moderate
>
> For comparison, here is the trace of the posting I made this morning:
>
> 2007.11.13
>
> 10:50:05
>
> 33993
>
> Theo Delight <Theo_Delight@ yahoo.co.uk>
>
> Where there's a will...
>
> auto-post 10s
>
> I do have my suspicions of what may have happened and why, but an
> explanation may allay those.
>

As far as I know there is no problem with your whitelisted status.  Your 
post contained a keyword which forced it into the moderation queue.

I don't personally think that the keywords should be published, lest the 
disruptive people use such a list to evade moderation. However I will 
mention a few keywords from the list: drivel, bitch, shit, shite, tosser. 
Also the phrase "half a brain".

Needless to say, they are often used in acceptable contexts (the Home 
Secretary talks shite and has only half a brain) but the purpose of the 
keywords is to prevent flamewars among the contributors to the group.
date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:40:07 -0000   author:   The Todal

Re: Whitelisting, part 2   
On Nov 14, 10:40 am, "The Todal"  wrote:
>  wrote in message
>
> news:1194984554.035445.204940@v65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 13 Nov, 19:50, "Theo_Deli...@yahoo.co.uk"
> >  wrote:
> >> Once more, there seems to be a problem with my "white-listing" status:
>
> >> 2007.11.13
>
> >> 19:40:03
>
> >> 34006
>
> >> Theo Delight <Theo_Delight@ yahoo.co.uk>
>
> >> Re: Where there's a will...
>
> >> moderate
>
> > For comparison, here is the trace of the posting I made this morning:
>
> > 2007.11.13
>
> > 10:50:05
>
> > 33993
>
> > Theo Delight <Theo_Delight@ yahoo.co.uk>
>
> > Where there's a will...
>
> > auto-post 10s
>
> > I do have my suspicions of what may have happened and why, but an
> > explanation may allay those.
>
> As far as I know there is no problem with your whitelisted status.  Your
> post contained a keyword which forced it into the moderation queue.
>
> I don't personally think that the keywords should be published, lest the
> disruptive people use such a list to evade moderation. However I will
> mention a few keywords from the list: drivel, bitch, shit, shite, tosser.
> Also the phrase "half a brain".
>
> Needless to say, they are often used in acceptable contexts (the Home
> Secretary talks shite and has only half a brain) but the purpose of the
> keywords is to prevent flamewars among the contributors to the group.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

So how do you get rid of amoderator like you or the sex crazed cynic
or the depraved marshall
date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:50:22 -0800   author:   Tony.

Re: Whitelisting, part 2   
Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:15:18  
uk.net.news.moderation Alex Heney 

>I don't know just what words are in the trigger list,

Neither do I but a list at the time has been published in this group 
before.  I expect it changes as need demands.

> but there were a
>few in that post that could well be ("shit", "septic" for instance).
>
>Even posts from whitelisted posters have to be manually accepted if
>any of the trigger words are present in the post.

Yup.  I think Theo is thinking the list is static and can be worked 
around "if he just knew which words to avoid".

I'm guessing he wants his will to be published in full in ulm :)

-- 
Wm ... Reply-To: address valid for at least 7 days
date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:44:31 +0000   author:   Wm...

Re: Whitelisting, part 2   
Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:38:20 
 
uk.net.news.moderation Tony. 

>On Nov 14, 7:37 am, Tim Jackson <n...@timjackson.plus.invalid> wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:50:43 -0800, Theo_Deli...@yahoo.co.uk wrote...
>> > Silly Buggers
>>
>> I couldn't possibly hazard a guess
>
>Let me give it ago, Theo is a lying bastard and the mods have found
>him out finally, well boys and girls.

Do you consume much alcohol before posting to usenet?  If not you really 
should consider joined up writing classes.

-- 
Wm ... Reply-To: address valid for at least 7 days
date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:47:41 +0000   author:   Wm...

Re: Whitelisting, part 2   
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:47:41 +0000, "Wm..."
 wrote:

> Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:38:20 
>  
> uk.net.news.moderation Tony. 
>
>> On Nov 14, 7:37 am, Tim Jackson <n...@timjackson.plus.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:50:43 -0800, Theo_Deli...@yahoo.co.uk wrote...
>>>> Silly Buggers
>>>
>>> I couldn't possibly hazard a guess
>>
>> Let me give it ago, Theo is a lying bastard and the mods have found
>> him out finally, well boys and girls.
>
> Do you consume much alcohol before posting to usenet?  If not you really 
> should consider joined up writing classes.

Tony is currently applying to become a moderator of ulm.  If the Internet
Referees see too much advising and coaching they may disqualify him.

Tony
date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 00:23:06 +0000   author:   Anthony R. Gold

Re: Whitelisting, part 2   
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:40:07 -0000, "The Todal" 
wrote:

>
> wrote in message 
>news:1194984554.035445.204940@v65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>> On 13 Nov, 19:50, "Theo_Deli...@yahoo.co.uk"
>>  wrote:
>>> Once more, there seems to be a problem with my "white-listing" status:
>>>
>>> 2007.11.13
>>>
>>> 19:40:03
>>>
>>> 34006
>>>
>>> Theo Delight <Theo_Delight@ yahoo.co.uk>
>>>
>>> Re: Where there's a will...
>>>
>>> moderate
>>
>> For comparison, here is the trace of the posting I made this morning:
>>
>> 2007.11.13
>>
>> 10:50:05
>>
>> 33993
>>
>> Theo Delight <Theo_Delight@ yahoo.co.uk>
>>
>> Where there's a will...
>>
>> auto-post 10s
>>
>> I do have my suspicions of what may have happened and why, but an
>> explanation may allay those.
>>
>
>As far as I know there is no problem with your whitelisted status.  Your 
>post contained a keyword which forced it into the moderation queue.
>
>I don't personally think that the keywords should be published, lest the 
>disruptive people use such a list to evade moderation. However I will 
>mention a few keywords from the list: drivel, bitch, shit, shite, tosser. 
>Also the phrase "half a brain".


Surely you have omitted Turtill and Holland from the key word list.
date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 00:40:45 +0000   author:   judith

Re: Whitelisting, part 2   
Wed, 14 Nov 2007 00:23:06  
uk.net.news.moderation Anthony R. Gold 

>On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:47:41 +0000, "Wm..."
> wrote:
>
>> Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:38:20
>> 
>> uk.net.news.moderation Tony. 
>>
>>> On Nov 14, 7:37 am, Tim Jackson <n...@timjackson.plus.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:50:43 -0800, Theo_Deli...@yahoo.co.uk wrote...
>>>>> Silly Buggers
>>>>
>>>> I couldn't possibly hazard a guess
>>>
>>> Let me give it ago, Theo is a lying bastard and the mods have found
>>> him out finally, well boys and girls.
>>
>> Do you consume much alcohol before posting to usenet?  If not you really
>> should consider joined up writing classes.
>
>Tony is currently applying to become a moderator of ulm.  If the Internet
>Referees see too much advising and coaching they may disqualify him.

Ummm, these are the Internet Referees in his mind?

>Tony

I'd call myself Anthony for the moment if I was you :)

-- 
Wm ... Reply-To: address valid for at least 7 days
date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 01:09:50 +0000   author:   Wm...

Re: Whitelisting, part 2   
On 13 Nov, 23:40, "The Todal"  wrote:
>  wrote in message
> news:1194984554.035445.204940@v65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> > I do have my suspicions of what may have happened and why, but an
> > explanation may allay those.
>
> As far as I know there is no problem with your whitelisted status.  Your
> post contained a keyword which forced it into the moderation queue.

As you may recall, one of our mutual acquaintances had a spot of
bother with what he described as "a rather humourless moderator" some
years ago (his actual description of that moderator still verges on
the unprintable) and his description of events led me to wonder if the
same sort of thing was happening again.

> I don't personally think that the keywords should be published, lest the
> disruptive people use such a list to evade moderation. However I will
> mention a few keywords from the list: drivel, bitch, shit, shite, tosser.
> Also the phrase "half a brain".

So, if I'd used any of the words "droppings", "excrement" or "ordure"
rather than "chicken shit", no keyword would have been detected?

> Needless to say, they are often used in acceptable contexts (the Home
> Secretary talks shite and has only half a brain) but the purpose of the
> keywords is to prevent flamewars among the contributors to the group.

I do not believe I would ever wish to compliment the present Home
Secretary in that manner.

--
 x   If they had half a brain. why not use it?
/|\
date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:02:42 -0800   author:   Theo Delight

Re: Whitelisting, part 2   
On 13 Nov, 23:50, "Tony."  wrote:
> So how do you get rid of amoderator like you or the sex crazed cynic
> or the depraved marshall

You petition the United Kingdom Usenet Comptroller General.

Do you think anyone would heed your comments?

--
 x    If you have been, are you cracked?
/|\
date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:06:18 -0800   author:   Theo Delight

Re: Whitelisting, part 2   
On 13 Nov, 23:44, "Wm..."  wrote:
> Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:15:18 
> uk.net.news.moderation Alex Heney 
>
> >I don't know just what words are in the trigger list,
>
> Neither do I but a list at the time has been published in this group
> before.  I expect it changes as need demands.
>
> > but there were a
> >few in that post that could well be ("shit", "septic" for instance).
>
> >Even posts from whitelisted posters have to be manually accepted if
> >any of the trigger words are present in the post.
>
> Yup.  I think Theo is thinking the list is static and can be worked
> around "if he just knew which words to avoid".

Unless {R} has worked his way through the OED, it should not be
difficult though it might involve comparing someone to, for example, a
paramecium or an early ancestor of mankind.

> I'm guessing he wants his will to be published in full in ulm :)

No; that would declare whom I believe hath ordure in their cranium.
Besides, hardly anyone knows the major beneficiaries, as they all have
lives and hence do not post here.

--
 x   If you also have, why are you here?
/|\
date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:13:22 -0800   author:   Theo Delight

Re: Whitelisting, part 2   
On 13 Nov, 23:47, "Wm..."  wrote:
> Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:38:20
> 
> uk.net.news.moderation Tony. 
>
> >On Nov 14, 7:37 am, Tim Jackson <n...@timjackson.plus.invalid> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:50:43 -0800, Theo_Deli...@yahoo.co.uk wrote...
> >> > Silly Buggers
>
> >> I couldn't possibly hazard a guess
>
> >Let me give it ago, Theo is a lying bastard and the mods have found
> >him out finally, well boys and girls.
>
> Do you consume much alcohol before posting to usenet?  If not you really
> should consider joined up writing classes.

I do not believe he consumes nearly enough alcohol.  Perhaps if he
were to imbibe a quart of vodka and the same of meths each day we
might all be the better for it?

--
 x    If he had been, would he need embalming?
/|\
date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:16:37 -0800   author:   Theo Delight

Re: Whitelisting, part 2   
On Nov 14, 1:13 pm, Theo Delight  wrote:
> No; that would declare whom I believe hath ordure in their cranium.
> Besides, hardly anyone knows the major beneficiaries, as they all have
> lives and hence do not post here.

You saying you're illness prevents you from having any other life but
posting on here and at UKLM...yep I can believe that, you sick bastard
you
date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:20:04 -0800   author:   Tony.

Re: Whitelisting, part 2   
On 13 Nov, 23:15, Alex Heney  wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:50:43 -0800, "Theo_Deli...@yahoo.co.uk"
>  wrote:
> >Can a moderator please explain just what is going on?
>
> >It does rather look as if someone has been playing at Silly Buggers;
> >if that is what has happened, can they be prevented from doing that
> >again?
>
> I don't know just what words are in the trigger list, but there were a
> few in that post that could well be ("shit", "septic" for instance).
>
> Even posts from whitelisted posters have to be manually accepted if
> any of the trigger words are present in the post.

I really had not considered that "chicken shit" or "septic tank" even
might be "trigger words"; as both are part of rural life, does that
not discriminate in favour of urban contributors?

--
 x    Might it spread bird flu?
/|\
date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:22:18 -0800   author:   Theo Delight

Re: Whitelisting, part 2   
On 14 Nov, 00:23, "Anthony R. Gold"  wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:47:41 +0000, "Wm..."
>  wrote:
> > Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:38:20
> > 
> > uk.net.news.moderation Tony. 
>
> >> On Nov 14, 7:37 am, Tim Jackson <n...@timjackson.plus.invalid> wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:50:43 -0800, Theo_Deli...@yahoo.co.uk wrote...
> >>>> Silly Buggers
>
> >>> I couldn't possibly hazard a guess
>
> >> Let me give it ago, Theo is a lying bastard and the mods have found
> >> him out finally, well boys and girls.
>
> > Do you consume much alcohol before posting to usenet?  If not you really
> > should consider joined up writing classes.
>
> Tony is currently applying to become a moderator of ulm.  If the Internet
> Referees see too much advising and coaching they may disqualify him.

And how might that be a bad thing?

Has he passed the dope test?

--
 x    If he has, which dope tested him?
/|\
date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:25:11 -0800   author:   Theo Delight

Re: Whitelisting, part 2   
On 14 Nov, 00:40, judith  wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:40:07 -0000, "The Todal" 
> wrote:
> >I don't personally think that the keywords should be published, lest the
> >disruptive people use such a list to evade moderation. However I will
> >mention a few keywords from the list: drivel, bitch, shit, shite, tosser.
> >Also the phrase "half a brain".
>
> Surely you have omitted Turtill and Holland from the key word list.

So could one say that the Home Secretary seems as cerebral as Turtill
and makes only slightly more sense than Tony Holland, without any
"trigger words" being detected?

--
 x    If one could, would it be stopped?
/|\
date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:30:31 -0800   author:   Theo Delight

Re: Whitelisting, part 2   
On Nov 14, 1:30 pm, Theo Delight  wrote:
> On 14 Nov, 00:40, judith  wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:40:07 -0000, "The Todal" 
> > wrote:
> > >I don't personally think that the keywords should be published, lest the
> > >disruptive people use such a list to evade moderation. However I will
> > >mention a few keywords from the list: drivel, bitch, shit, shite, tosser.
> > >Also the phrase "half a brain".
>
> > Surely you have omitted Turtill and Holland from the key word list.
>
> So could one say that the Home Secretary seems as cerebral as Turtill
> and makes only slightly more sense than Tony Holland, without any
> "trigger words" being detected?
>
> --
>  x    If one could, would it be stopped?
> /|\

Well one might say....Ive just eaten a Theo_Delight, yum....or is that
beaten,
date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:11:15 -0800   author:   Tony.

Re: Whitelisting, part 2   
Tony. wrote:
> On Nov 14, 1:30 pm, Theo Delight  wrote:
>> On 14 Nov, 00:40, judith  wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:40:07 -0000, "The Todal" 
>>> wrote:
>>>> I don't personally think that the keywords should be published, lest the
>>>> disruptive people use such a list to evade moderation. However I will
>>>> mention a few keywords from the list: drivel, bitch, shit, shite, tosser.
>>>> Also the phrase "half a brain".
>>> Surely you have omitted Turtill and Holland from the key word list.
>> So could one say that the Home Secretary seems as cerebral as Turtill
>> and makes only slightly more sense than Tony Holland, without any
>> "trigger words" being detected?
>>
>> --
>>  x    If one could, would it be stopped?
>> /|\
> 
> Well one might say....Ive just eaten a Theo_Delight, yum....or is that
> beaten,
> 
Theo, by design, always assumes a remarkably level headed position 
before he goes to work.

Sex, OTOH:

If you aren't going to personally keep at least two feet on the ground, 
can I suggest that you rise above the clouds to where rapid sight 
reduction isn't a joke?  Aiming for the stars does rather depend on also 
keeping your eye on the ball, or at least the bubble.. You might never 
get to be as accurate as a Theo, but you may get somewhere..


--
Sue
date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 06:37:17 GMT   author:   Palindrome

Re: Whitelisting, part 2   
On Nov 14, 5:37 pm, Palindrome  wrote:
> Tony. wrote:
> > On Nov 14, 1:30 pm, Theo Delight  wrote:
> >> On 14 Nov, 00:40, judith  wrote:
>
> >>> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:40:07 -0000, "The Todal" 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> I don't personally think that the keywords should be published, lest the
> >>>> disruptive people use such a list to evade moderation. However I will
> >>>> mention a few keywords from the list: drivel, bitch, shit, shite, tosser.
> >>>> Also the phrase "half a brain".
> >>> Surely you have omitted Turtill and Holland from the key word list.
> >> So could one say that the Home Secretary seems as cerebral as Turtill
> >> and makes only slightly more sense than Tony Holland, without any
> >> "trigger words" being detected?
>
> >> --
> >>  x    If one could, would it be stopped?
> >> /|\
>
> > Well one might say....Ive just eaten a Theo_Delight, yum....or is that
> > beaten,
>
> Theo, by design, always assumes a remarkably level headed position
> before he goes to work.
>
> Sex, OTOH:
>
> If you aren't going to personally keep at least two feet on the ground,
> can I suggest that you rise above the clouds to where rapid sight
> reduction isn't a joke?  Aiming for the stars does rather depend on also
> keeping your eye on the ball, or at least the bubble.. You might never
> get to be as accurate as a Theo, but you may get somewhere..
>
> --
> Sue- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Ah Sue, Ive not been feeling myself all day, perhaps I should take a
grip
date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:04:50 -0800   author:   Tony.

Re: Whitelisting, part 2   
"Wm..."  wrote in message 
news:dyC6nGQfbjOHFwG7@[127.0.0.1]...
> Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:15:18  
> uk.net.news.moderation Alex Heney 
>
>>I don't know just what words are in the trigger list,
>
> Neither do I but a list at the time has been published in this group 
> before.  I expect it changes as need demands.

Yes, Mr Ashton did once post a list of the trigger words. I think the list 
has changed quite a bit since then. Any moderator can add or delete trigger 
words. I once caused a major problem by accidentally adding the space 
between words as a trigger word, so that any post with spaces between words 
was caught in the moderation queue. The phrase "half a brain" arose only 
because one poster said, rather angrily, that anyone with half a brain could 
have understood the law on the subject.
date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:48:46 -0000   author:   The Todal

Re: Whitelisting, part 2   
Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:48:46  
uk.net.news.moderation The Todal 

>
>"Wm..."  wrote in message
>news:dyC6nGQfbjOHFwG7@[127.0.0.1]...
>> Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:15:18 
>> uk.net.news.moderation Alex Heney 
>>
>>>I don't know just what words are in the trigger list,
>>
>> Neither do I but a list at the time has been published in this group
>> before.  I expect it changes as need demands.
>
>Yes, Mr Ashton did once post a list of the trigger words. I think the list
>has changed quite a bit since then. Any moderator can add or delete trigger
>words.

I was trying to tell someone else something rather than you.

> I once caused a major problem by accidentally adding the space
>between words as a trigger word, so that any post with spaces between words
>was caught in the moderation queue.

I find that admission cute and amusing.  Someone else might see it as 
incompetence or even the work of an evil overlord that is trying to kill 
him, and here are some biblical references, or something.

You have to decide who is right.  I think ulm is working rather well but 
reserve the right to moan if the mod system occasionally stops working.

> The phrase "half a brain" arose only
>because one poster said, rather angrily, that anyone with half a brain could
>have understood the law on the subject.

I think the other side of it might be that ulm is a reflection of people 
that try to get on with other people but sometimes have to cross the 
legal maze.  Ideally no-one would ever need a lawyer or the law.

-- 
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date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:29:33 +0000   author:   Wm...

Re: Whitelisting, part 2   
"Wm..."  wrote in message 
news:iZ6FtUM9gvOHFwiX@[127.0.0.1]...
> Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:48:46  
> uk.net.news.moderation The Todal 

>
>> I once caused a major problem by accidentally adding the space
>>between words as a trigger word, so that any post with spaces between 
>>words
>>was caught in the moderation queue.
>
> I find that admission cute and amusing.  Someone else might see it as 
> incompetence or even the work of an evil overlord that is trying to kill 
> him, and here are some biblical references, or something.

I think incompetence would be a fair accusation though in mitigation I would 
blame the moderation software for making the mistake possible...

All the moderators are of course amateurs and the task of moderation is one 
that many people could do equally well. The main problem we had in the past 
was that some moderators were too strict in rejecting posts because they 
didn't measure up to a subjective quality standard.  I think that problem is 
more or less solved.

>
> You have to decide who is right.  I think ulm is working rather well but 
> reserve the right to moan if the mod system occasionally stops working.
>
>> The phrase "half a brain" arose only
>>because one poster said, rather angrily, that anyone with half a brain 
>>could
>>have understood the law on the subject.
>
> I think the other side of it might be that ulm is a reflection of people 
> that try to get on with other people but sometimes have to cross the legal 
> maze.  Ideally no-one would ever need a lawyer or the law.

I agree.  Anyone who has a tricky legal problem is likely to have 
experienced the frustration of trying without success to make themselves 
understood to an implacable authority figure.  Lawyers often make the 
problem seem even more incomprehensible by their convoluted explanations 
based on theory rather than real life.
date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:52:01 -0000   author:   The Todal

Re: Whitelisting, part 2   
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 06:37:17 GMT, Palindrome  wrote:

OT - did you get my reply to your email last week Sue?

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Cynic
date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:14:02 +0000   author:   Cynic

Re: Whitelisting, part 2   
Cynic wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 06:37:17 GMT, Palindrome  wrote:
> 
> OT - did you get my reply to your email last week Sue?
> 
The one about your ISP? Yes, I did and replied with a "ta very much".

Very interesting info but, IIRC, not likely to get to rural exchanges 
for a while.

Shame that - it looks good.
--
Sue
date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:28:35 GMT   author:   Palindrome

Re: Whitelisting, part 2   
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:28:35 GMT, Palindrome  wrote:

>> OT - did you get my reply to your email last week Sue?

>The one about your ISP? Yes, I did and replied with a "ta very much".

OK - missed your reply and thought maybe it hadn't got through.

>Very interesting info but, IIRC, not likely to get to rural exchanges 
>for a while.

Oh - pity.

>Shame that - it looks good.

So far so good ...

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Cynic
date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:58:47 +0000   author:   Cynic

Re: Whitelisting, part 2   
Cynic wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:28:35 GMT, Palindrome  wrote:
> 
>>> OT - did you get my reply to your email last week Sue?
> 
>> The one about your ISP? Yes, I did and replied with a "ta very much".
> 
> OK - missed your reply and thought maybe it hadn't got through.

Could it have hit your spam filter? I've given up using one and use 
magic mail monitor to examine every email - after losing quite a few in 
one of my mail providers' over-enthusiastic trap.

Come to that, my latest credit card (I succumbed to the 4% Capital One 
Cash back offer) came in a box which looked like it was holding a 
promotional video. It nearly ended up in the bin, unexamined..

> 
>> Very interesting info but, IIRC, not likely to get to rural exchanges 
>> for a while.
> 
> Oh - pity.
> 
>> Shame that - it looks good.
> 
> So far so good ...
> 

I get almost 3megs - and still can't believe it for a house with miles 
of wires on poles going across the moors. It's actually better than 
someone else buried in the middle of a nearby town centre gets..

-- 
Sue
date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:16:16 GMT   author:   Palindrome

Re: Whitelisting, part 2   
On 14 Nov, 12:48, "The Todal"  wrote:
> The phrase "half a brain" arose only
> because one poster said, rather angrily, that anyone with half a brain could
> have understood the law on the subject.

One hopes that sympathy was duly expressed for the person who had thus
admitted to having only half a brain...

Could you say who it was?

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date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:17:30 -0800   author:   Theo Delight

Re: Whitelisting, part 2   
On 14 Nov, 14:52, "The Todal"  wrote:
> All the moderators are of course amateurs and the task of moderation is one
> that many people could do equally well. The main problem we had in the past
> was that some moderators were too strict in rejecting posts because they
> didn't measure up to a subjective quality standard.  I think that problem is
> more or less solved.

I certainly hope so.

If James Hulbert were alive today, would he be permitted to post any
of his diatribes to ulm and, if not, on what grounds might it be
rejected apart from it being tedious and tiresome twaddle?

Could nutty Neela post about the plight of poor little baby Satsuma,
allegedly murdered by the NHS?

Could the great, good and learned Dr Akena Adoko tell us who was the
current "rabid running dog of the most corrupt" and, if not, why not?

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date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:31:58 -0800   author:   Theo Delight

Re: Whitelisting, part 2   
"Theo Delight"  wrote in message 
news:1195079518.612132.116610@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On 14 Nov, 14:52, "The Todal"  wrote:
>> All the moderators are of course amateurs and the task of moderation is 
>> one
>> that many people could do equally well. The main problem we had in the 
>> past
>> was that some moderators were too strict in rejecting posts because they
>> didn't measure up to a subjective quality standard.  I think that problem 
>> is
>> more or less solved.
>
> I certainly hope so.
>
> If James Hulbert were alive today, would he be permitted to post any
> of his diatribes to ulm and, if not, on what grounds might it be
> rejected apart from it being tedious and tiresome twaddle?

Potentially defamatory. No problem rejecting anything that mentioned Judge 
Simpson or the shorthand writer.

>
> Could nutty Neela post about the plight of poor little baby Satsuma,
> allegedly murdered by the NHS?

Again defamatory.

>
> Could the great, good and learned Dr Akena Adoko tell us who was the
> current "rabid running dog of the most corrupt" and, if not, why not?

It would be tempting to allow in some of his Vogon-style poetry just for a 
laugh, but I suppose it would be off topic.
date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 23:11:55 -0000   author:   The Todal

Re: Whitelisting, part 2   
Theo Delight wrote:

> Unless {R} has worked his way through the OED, it should not be
> difficult though it might involve comparing someone to, for example, a
> paramecium or an early ancestor of mankind.

Yes, most of it is pretty predictable stuff really - a range of obscenities, 
and various 'crank signifiers' like freemasonry, Ripper, MI5, flouride etc.
date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 23:47:35 -0000   author:   Steve Walker

Re: Whitelisting, part 2   
Theo Delight wrote:
> On 14 Nov, 14:52, "The Todal"  wrote:
>> All the moderators are of course amateurs and the task of moderation
>> is one that many people could do equally well. The main problem we
>> had in the past was that some moderators were too strict in
>> rejecting posts because they didn't measure up to a subjective
>> quality standard.  I think that problem is more or less solved.
>
> I certainly hope so.
>
> If James Hulbert were alive today, would he be permitted to post any
> of his diatribes to ulm and, if not, on what grounds might it be
> rejected apart from it being tedious and tiresome twaddle?
>
> Could nutty Neela post about the plight of poor little baby Satsuma,
> allegedly murdered by the NHS?
>
> Could the great, good and learned Dr Akena Adoko tell us who was the
> current "rabid running dog of the most corrupt" and, if not, why not?

Good heavens Theo, you go back a while.   I am ever more convinced that I 
must have previously known you by another name.
date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 23:49:46 -0000   author:   Steve Walker

Re: Whitelisting, part 2   
On Nov 15, 10:49 am, "Steve Walker"  wrote:
>
> Good heavens Theo, you go back a while.   I am ever more convinced that I
> must have previously known you by another name

Oh yes you did Steve, in those days we used to call him *Shithead* Ive
even heard it said he had chicken shit for brains..back then.
date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:15:44 -0800 (PST)   author:   Tony.

Re: Whitelisting, part 2   
Steve Walker wrote:

> Theo Delight wrote:
> > On 14 Nov, 14:52, "The Todal"  wrote:
> >> All the moderators are of course amateurs and the task of moderation
> >> is one that many people could do equally well. The main problem we
> >> had in the past was that some moderators were too strict in
> >> rejecting posts because they didn't measure up to a subjective
> >> quality standard.  I think that problem is more or less solved.
> >
> > I certainly hope so.
> >
> > If James Hulbert were alive today, would he be permitted to post any
> > of his diatribes to ulm and, if not, on what grounds might it be
> > rejected apart from it being tedious and tiresome twaddle?
> >
> > Could nutty Neela post about the plight of poor little baby Satsuma,
> > allegedly murdered by the NHS?
> >
> > Could the great, good and learned Dr Akena Adoko tell us who was the
> > current "rabid running dog of the most corrupt" and, if not, why not?
>
> Good heavens Theo, you go back a while.   I am ever more convinced that I
> must have previously known you by another name.

Perhaps it was in the C15th, when I was called Leonardo?

Or did you mean more recently?

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date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 23:18:31 -0800 (PST)   author:   unknown

Re: Whitelisting, part 2   
On Nov 15, 6:18 pm, "Theo_Deli...@yahoo.co.uk"
 wrote:

> Perhaps it was in the C15th, when I was called Leonardo?

I knew you had delusion, but, this is a whooper, now be a good boy,
take your medication and if this persist, go and see your
psychiatrist, the last time, you got this abd, plod charged you with a
criminal offense
date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 00:07:36 -0800 (PST)   author:   Tony.

Re: Whitelisting, part 2   
Tony. wrote:
> On Nov 15, 6:18 pm, "Theo_Deli...@yahoo.co.uk"
>  wrote:
>
> > Perhaps it was in the C15th, when I was called Leonardo?

> I knew you had delusion, but, this is a whooper, now be a good boy,
> take your medication and if this persist, go and see your
> psychiatrist, the last time, you got this abd, plod charged you with a
> criminal offense

I thought it was America, not Australia, where irony doesn't exist.
date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 01:33:25 -0800 (PST)   author:   Tommo

Re: Whitelisting, part 2   
"Steve Walker"  wrote in message 
news:5q1fomFtoa6bU1@mid.individual.net...
> Theo Delight wrote:
>
>> Unless {R} has worked his way through the OED, it should not be
>> difficult though it might involve comparing someone to, for example, a
>> paramecium or an early ancestor of mankind.
>
> Yes, most of it is pretty predictable stuff really - a range of 
> obscenities, and various 'crank signifiers' like freemasonry, Ripper, MI5, 
> flouride etc.

Now you've given the game away, Steve.  Now, let all the secret moderators 
take one step forward....
date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:07:18 -0000   author:   The Todal

Re: Whitelisting, part 2   
On Nov 15, 9:07 pm, "The Todal"  wrote:

> Now you've given the game away, Steve.  Now, let all the secret moderators take one step forward....

You mean theres more like you out there?
date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 02:15:12 -0800 (PST)   author:   Tony.

Re: Whitelisting, part 2   
The Todal wrote:

> "Steve Walker"  wrote in message
> news:5q1fomFtoa6bU1@mid.individual.net...
> > Theo Delight wrote:
> >
> >> Unless {R} has worked his way through the OED, it should not be
> >> difficult though it might involve comparing someone to, for example, a
> >> paramecium or an early ancestor of mankind.
> >
> > Yes, most of it is pretty predictable stuff really - a range of
> > obscenities, and various 'crank signifiers' like freemasonry, Ripper, MI5,
> > flouride etc.
>
> Now you've given the game away, Steve.  Now, let all the secret moderators
> take one step forward....

Don't you mean they should "step off with their left foot"?

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date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 04:07:22 -0800 (PST)   author:   Theo Delight

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