Nothing missing in ulm vs. demon between

PostID  Date

30040   13/08/07 00:40  [1]

and

30515   22/08/07 22:20  [2]

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Notes:

[1] half a day before RA posted
===
From: {R} 
Newsgroups: uk.legal.moderated
Subject: Fault with PGP signing posts
X-Posted-Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:49:13 +0100
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:50:10 +0100
Message-ID: 
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[2] cut there as there were some yet to be modded posts when I pulled
the data

===

Comments:

1. if anything from this sample is missing from a server it means
something after the mod process *and* the gradwell injection isn't
working closer to your end; they all got to news.demon.co.uk [1]

        [1] that is not an absolute in missing posts but can be in
        received posts.

2. if your post hasn't appeared check
http://moderation.org.uk/3displayulm.php
as there were some rejections; fortunately still no-one on auto-reject.

3. if your post wasn't rejected and didn't appear you have a separate
problem called "why aren't my posts getting to the moderators?"; that is
separate to what I am commenting on.

4. I'd like to thank RA for eventually getting around to noticing there
was a problem and fixing it in a practical way (no PGP signing [2])

        [2] there may be a left over issue there but since the
        moderation system as a whole (not just the ulm bit) can be
        fooled by a deliberate person when PGP signing is in place I'm
        not sure it will be missed much as implemented previously.

5. I'd also like to thank other people who stuck with the issue
throughout; I know I said some bad words but I found it very frustrating
getting the message across to RA and felt I had to get other people
involved and thinking about it so he would realise there was actually a
problem he could solve.

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On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 02:04:04 +0100, "Wm..."
 wrote:

> I know I said some bad words but I found it very frustrating
> getting the message across to RA and felt I had to get other people
> involved and thinking about it so he would realise there was actually a
> problem he could solve.

Was that an apology for broadcasting that you had thought Richard was
brighter than to identify the fault as being in the Gradwell servers?

Tony

Thu, 23 Aug 2007 11:51:34  
uk.net.news.moderation Anthony R. Gold 

>On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 02:04:04 +0100, "Wm..."
> wrote:
>
>> I know I said some bad words but I found it very frustrating
>> getting the message across to RA and felt I had to get other people
>> involved and thinking about it so he would realise there was actually a
>> problem he could solve.
>
>Was that an apology for broadcasting that you had thought Richard was
>brighter than to identify the fault as being in the Gradwell servers?

I think the answer is no.

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Wm... wrote:

> 4. I'd like to thank RA

Indeed - Richard came through for the ulm community once again.   Hurrah!

On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 23:06:13 +0100, "Steve Walker" 
wrote:

> Wm... wrote:
>
>> 4. I'd like to thank RA
>
> Indeed - Richard came through for the ulm community once again.   Hurrah! 

Maybe not quite yet.

At least Post Ids 30611, 30614, 30616 (all man-accepted) plus 30617 (that
one an auto-post) have been reported lost by just two posters in ulm over
the past couple of days.

Tony

Sun, 26 Aug 2007 23:27:37  
uk.net.news.moderation Anthony R. Gold 

>On Sun, 26 Aug 2007 23:06:13 +0100, "Steve Walker" 
>wrote:
>
>> Wm... wrote:
>>
>>> 4. I'd like to thank RA
>>
>> Indeed - Richard came through for the ulm community once again.   Hurrah!
>
>Maybe not quite yet.
>
>At least Post Ids 30611, 30614, 30616 (all man-accepted) plus 30617 (that
>one an auto-post) have been reported lost by just two posters in ulm over
>the past couple of days.

And a few more that went un-noticed

Usual rules, received from
news.demon.co.uk
vs
http://moderation.org.uk/3display_history_output.php

I pulled the last two weeks in both cases

Auto

Post-ID MID
30617   <GCkzi.23988$rr5.10964@ newsfe1-win.ntli.net>
31075   <WYnOoM+thQ2GFAAz@ perry.co.uk>
31084   <DzbCi.26163$mZ5.13063@ newsfe6-win.ntli.net>

Manual

Post-ID MID
30611   <hsirc3pj6c3d8o2bkr790i2jesjpqsfm04@ 4ax.com>
30612   <46cdce7f$0$11431$db0fefd9@ news.zen.co.uk>
30614   <olkzi.25179$ph7.12423@ newsfe5-win.ntli.net>
30616   <Bwkzi.25951$Db6.4260@ newsfe3-win.ntli.net>
30834   <Xns999A69E4289AAtango.whiskey@ 216.196.109.145>
31071   <1188613507.144992.46760@ r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>
31072   <1188614344.667041.74800@ 57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>
31074   <13dhtgik12l2n0c@ corp.supernews.com>
31080   <p6jnq4-d19.ln1@ cocytus.tydecho.co.uk>
31081   <1188635988.125975.289490@ 57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>

Some sums:

in the last two weeks
701 messages went through the mod system

677 reached news.demon.co.uk
13 went awol, detailed above (3 auto, 10 manual)
11 were rejected
===
701


Notes:

1) NIN seems to have had a brain fart a few days ago and the mod-system 
shouldn't be blamed for that.

2) People might want to think about whether or not we have an acceptable 
level of loss or if no loss is acceptable.

3) Obviously (2) will depend on the reader / writer.  If the message was 
important to the reader and got lost it wouldn't be acceptable, so, we 
are back to RA making it work as expected :)

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