In article ,
Percy Picacity  <key@under.the.invalid> wrote:
>Cris Galletly  wrote in
>news:Sbj*cq7Us@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk: 
>> I will admit to being on the autism spectrum, however.  And it
>> seems to come out far more online than in person.
>
>Me too:  suffering fools gladly is especially difficult. For the 
>avoidance of doubt, this is in no sense relating to the previous poster 
>(an implication that I have just realised could be inferred).  I think 
>the last sentence is a triumph of empathy and I am very proud of it.

Thank you very much for saying that.  I wouldn't have noticed the possible
implication had you not mentioned it, which is something I'm quite happy
about.

I do try as hard as I can not to impute bad motivations to people I've never
met, but sometimes things can get the better of me (which, FAOD, isn't
directed at you in the slightest) and I'm not entirely sure that being on
anti-depressants is helping me not get angry instead of miserable when Bad
Things Happen (TM).

If I owe Steve Firth an apology, then I'd appreciate if someone could let me
know.
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Cris Galletly  wrote in
news:xUk*vi9Us@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk: 

> In article ,
> Percy Picacity  <key@under.the.invalid> wrote:
>>Cris Galletly  wrote in
>>news:Sbj*cq7Us@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk: 
>>> I will admit to being on the autism spectrum, however.  And it
>>> seems to come out far more online than in person.
>>
>>Me too:  suffering fools gladly is especially difficult. For the 
>>avoidance of doubt, this is in no sense relating to the previous
>>poster (an implication that I have just realised could be
>>inferred).  I think the last sentence is a triumph of empathy and
>>I am very proud of it. 
> 
> Thank you very much for saying that.  I wouldn't have noticed the
> possible implication had you not mentioned it, which is something
> I'm quite happy about.
> 
> I do try as hard as I can not to impute bad motivations to people
> I've never met, but sometimes things can get the better of me
> (which, FAOD, isn't directed at you in the slightest) and I'm not
> entirely sure that being on anti-depressants is helping me not get
> angry instead of miserable when Bad Things Happen (TM).
> 
> If I owe Steve Firth an apology, then I'd appreciate if someone
> could let me know.

Not that my opinion is worth anything, I don't think you owe Steve 
Firth an apology.  On the other hand, neither do I think his 
rudeness is generally malicious, though he could be described as 
narrow-minded and bigotted, if only to annoy.

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Percy Picacity

In uk.net.news.management, Percy Picacity <key@under.the.invalid> wrote:

>Cris Galletly  wrote in
>news:xUk*vi9Us@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk: 
>
>> In article ,
>> Percy Picacity  <key@under.the.invalid> wrote:
>>>Cris Galletly  wrote in
>>>news:Sbj*cq7Us@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk: 
>>>> I will admit to being on the autism spectrum, however.  And it
>>>> seems to come out far more online than in person.
>>>
>>>Me too:  suffering fools gladly is especially difficult. For the 
>>>avoidance of doubt, this is in no sense relating to the previous
>>>poster (an implication that I have just realised could be
>>>inferred).  I think the last sentence is a triumph of empathy and
>>>I am very proud of it. 
>> 
>> Thank you very much for saying that.  I wouldn't have noticed the
>> possible implication had you not mentioned it, which is something
>> I'm quite happy about.
>> 
>> I do try as hard as I can not to impute bad motivations to people
>> I've never met, but sometimes things can get the better of me
>> (which, FAOD, isn't directed at you in the slightest) and I'm not
>> entirely sure that being on anti-depressants is helping me not get
>> angry instead of miserable when Bad Things Happen (TM).
>> 
>> If I owe Steve Firth an apology, then I'd appreciate if someone
>> could let me know.
>
>Not that my opinion is worth anything, I don't think you owe Steve 
>Firth an apology.  On the other hand, neither do I think his 
>rudeness is generally malicious, though he could be described as 
>narrow-minded and bigotted, if only to annoy.

If nice people are rude to me I wondered what I did, when rude people are
rude to me I assume everything is going as per normal.  I leave it to
others to decide where in that spectrum any poster in here falls.

As a reference point, if {R} didn't tell me to fuck off once a week, I
started to wonder what I was doing wrong.

-- 
Tony Evans
Saving trees and wasting electrons since 1993
blog -> http://perceptionistruth.com/
olmr -> http://www.onelinemoviereviews.co.uk/
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On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:42:22 +0000 (UTC), Percy Picacity
<key@under.the.invalid> wrote:

>Not that my opinion is worth anything, I don't think you owe Steve 
>Firth an apology.  On the other hand, neither do I think his 
>rudeness is generally malicious, though he could be described as 
>narrow-minded and bigotted, if only to annoy.

I think he's trying to set himself up as a rival to Huge, but not
doing a very good job of it.  I'd be very surprised if it's anything
other than a front.
 
Guy
-- 
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/

In article <hcnjv2$dtt$2@news.eternal-september.org>,
Tony   wrote:
>If nice people are rude to me I wondered what I did, when rude people are
>rude to me I assume everything is going as per normal.  I leave it to
>others to decide where in that spectrum any poster in here falls.

I'm not very good at determining who's rude and who's nice.  Percy, by
his postings, is someone who falls into my "respect/nice" category.  You
too.

>As a reference point, if {R} didn't tell me to fuck off once a week, I
>started to wonder what I was doing wrong.

Now {R} was someone I did start to have a certain amount of respect for,
having had more than one family member kill themself due to workplace 
bullying.
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+  Cris Galletly   +

In uk.net.news.management, Cris Galletly 
wrote:

>In article <hcnjv2$dtt$2@news.eternal-september.org>,
>Tony   wrote:
>>If nice people are rude to me I wondered what I did, when rude people are
>>rude to me I assume everything is going as per normal.  I leave it to
>>others to decide where in that spectrum any poster in here falls.

>I'm not very good at determining who's rude and who's nice. 

Yes it's difficult, for lots of people, and some people find it harder than
others for so many reasons.  You only have to have some minor confidence
issues and Usenet can be a nightmare.

Part of the problem at least (for me, maybe I'm unique) is that nagging
doubt that people are posting for reasons other than their stated
objective.  A lot of that is due to highly successful trolls, many of us
have been burned in the past, and suspicion is easier and cheaper in the
short term than trust.

But I do try and keep the benefit of the doubt at the front of my mind.

The written word as a form of debate, without visual clues, is all too easy
to misinterpret and in a multi-user discussion it can explode quickly.

>>As a reference point, if {R} didn't tell me to fuck off once a week, I
>>started to wonder what I was doing wrong.

>Now {R} was someone I did start to have a certain amount of respect for,
>having had more than one family member kill themself due to workplace 
>bullying.

{R}'s usenet persona could be embarrassing, rude and upsetting, but dealing
with him on a professional level meant I got to see a different side, and
it really drilled home that usenet is as much about avatars as any online
game or virtual environment.  The avatars here are built by words, rather
than by picking hair colour and chest size, but they're still avatars.

-- 
Tony Evans
Saving trees and wasting electrons since 1993
blog -> http://perceptionistruth.com/
olmr -> http://www.onelinemoviereviews.co.uk/
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John Hall  wrote:
> In article <hcno63$kb6$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Tony <tony@darkstorm.invalid> writes:
>>{R}'s usenet persona could be embarrassing, rude and upsetting, but dealing
>>with him on a professional level meant I got to see a different side, and
>>it really drilled home that usenet is as much about avatars as any online
>>game or virtual environment.  The avatars here are built by words, rather
>>than by picking hair colour and chest size, but they're still avatars.
 
> I've never really understood why nice people should want to appear
> "nasty" on Usenet, but it does seem to be quite common. In can remember
> {R} being very helpful to me when I had some computer problem or other.

Maybe the hordes of people who spend their offline lives being nice, due to
social convention rather than natural inclination, find the 'freedom' of
the 'net too enticing.

I dunno.  Maybe people like the idea of pretending to be nasty, I've played
a lot of tabletop roleplaying games where seemingly nice people want to
play evil characters so they can kill with impunity.  Perhaps it's just
'finding out how the other side works'.

Hard to know really why anyone does anything, I sometimes don't even know
why I do what I do, and you'd think I should be the first to know.


-- 
Tony Evans
Saving trees and wasting electrons since 1993
blog -> http://perceptionistruth.com/
olmr -> http://www.onelinemoviereviews.co.uk/
[ anything below this line wasn't written by me ]

On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:35:34 +0000, snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe)
wrote:

>To be honest, it isn't a battle that I would relish fighting again; 
>I offer it out of courtesy to those whom I may have offended. 
>I do wonder whether my submissions to urcm would be accepted,
>although I'm not curious enough to test the matter.

I'd be faintly surprised if they were not, always assuming that the
Sn!pe we see in the shed is the same wader who would dip his beak in
urcm.
 
Guy
-- 
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/

On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:42:22 +0000 (UTC), Percy Picacity
<key@under.the.invalid> wrote:

<snip>


>Not that my opinion is worth anything, I don't think you owe Steve 
>Firth an apology.  On the other hand, neither do I think his 
>rudeness is generally malicious, though he could be described as 
>narrow-minded and bigotted, if only to annoy.



Ah - yes - bigotted"

And only the day before he had said


Those of us of a generation taught to spell are not arrogant:  it is 
just that we don't need spell checkers because we can spell nearly all
the words we use and know when we can't.  Nothing clever, just 1950's 
primary schooling.

Snigger.

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jms  wrote in
news:7gv0f5pd49bek1djopumr5i6ujldqfms72@4ax.com: 

> On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:42:22 +0000 (UTC), Percy Picacity
><key@under.the.invalid> wrote:
> 
><snip>
> 
> 
>>Not that my opinion is worth anything, I don't think you owe Steve
>>Firth an apology.  On the other hand, neither do I think his 
>>rudeness is generally malicious, though he could be described as 
>>narrow-minded and bigotted, if only to annoy.
> 
> 
> 
> Ah - yes - bigotted"
> 
> And only the day before he had said
> 
> 
> Those of us of a generation taught to spell are not arrogant:  it
> is just that we don't need spell checkers because we can spell
> nearly all the words we use and know when we can't.  Nothing
> clever, just 1950's primary schooling.
> 
> Snigger.
> 
Did say "nearly"!


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Percy Picacity