On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:58:16 +0000,
    Mark Goodge  wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:26:16 +0000 (UTC), Tim Woodall put finger to
> keyboard and typed:
>
>>On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:01:59 +0000,
>>    Just zis Guy, you know?  wrote:
>>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:52:59 +0000 (UTC), Tim Woodall
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>This is what really happens:
>>> [snip]
>>>>... 82.0.173.107 is listed in zen.spamhaus.org
>>>
>>>
>>> See http://www.spamhaus.org/query/bl?ip=82.0.173.107
>>>
>>
>>Yes. I know why it's happening.
>>
>>If I use the official address, I cannot email the moderators. There is
>>no alternative provided.
>>
>>If I use the chiark address, I cannot email the moderators. But there
>>is an alternative provided that does work.
>
> You can mail the moderators if you configure your mail client (or, if
> you're running one, your mail server) correctly. The reason it's not
> working is that you're trying to send unauthenticated mail direct from
> a dynamic IP address, which is precisely what the PBL is intended to
> prevent. 
>
And then you get exactly the problem that happened when trying to get
urcm created - an email vanishes and nobody can find hide nor hair of
it.

I've used ISPs email servers. And I've had emails vanish. Very
occasionally I've had one vanish where the recipient has access to the
mail logs at their end. I can see my logs where the email was accepted
and there has been no attempt at all by my then ISP to attempt delivery.

I also cannot use TLS if I send via my ISPs servers. It's not just that
my email is plain text on my ISPs servers, they don't even offer TLS. (I
realize that this is a moot point when emailing the moderators as
neither chiark nor gradwell appear to offer STARTTLS but even most of
the mailing lists I subscribe to now use TLS)


Tim.


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