On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:01:59 +0000,
    Just zis Guy, you know?  wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:52:59 +0000 (UTC), Tim Woodall
> wrote:
>
>>This is what really happens:
> [snip]
>>... 82.0.173.107 is listed in zen.spamhaus.org
>
>
> See http://www.spamhaus.org/query/bl?ip=82.0.173.107
>

Yes. I know why it's happening.

If I use the official address, I cannot email the moderators. There is
no alternative provided.

If I use the chiark address, I cannot email the moderators. But there
is an alternative provided that does work.

Somehow, this is being made out to be a huge heinous crime by Ian in how
he has setup chiark.

Personally, I think Ian is wrong and the email the moderators address
should only reject confirmed spam. But I think gradwell is wrong too and
email to @usenet.org.uk should be configured similarly to ensure no
false rejects.
 
> Incidentally, if every mail to the various moderation redirectors is
> going through PBL filtering then I am faintly surprised that we don't
> see more problems.
>  
Probably because moderators.isc.org works.

Tim.


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In article ,
Graham Drabble   wrote:
>On 31 Oct 2009 Mark Goodge  wrote
>in news:k0roe5535me7l1odio30ho531d4rc93sim@news.markshouse.net: 
>
> 
>> You can mail the moderators if you configure your mail client (or,
>> if you're running one, your mail server) correctly. The reason
>> it's not working is that you're trying to send unauthenticated
>> mail direct from a dynamic IP address, which is precisely what the
>> PBL is intended to prevent. 
>
>Why is it incorrect for anyone to send mail directly from their own
>PC? 

Because some very large percentage of software attempting to do that
is malware sending out spam (since it's more difficult for the malware
to figure out the right third-party box to send mail through than to
attempt to send mail itself), so it can be expected that other people
will often block it to avoid the load of spam.

If the PC has a static IP then mail sent out from it can be traced
without having to go through the tedious process of asking an ISP to
figure out who was allocated a given dynamic IP at a given time.

Tom