Since a couple of people seem to have missed it, I'm posting the changes to
the list of candidates for the Committee elections under the subject
"Committee Election Candidates 2007" to unna, unnc and unnm.  All of the posts
have the same subject and are PGP signed with Control's key.  Currently the
list of candidates, all of whom have fully confirmed nominators, is:

Molly Mockford                      com2007 (at) mollymockford.me.uk

Charles Lindsey                     chl (at) clerew.man.ac.uk

Martyn Bailey (aka: '.mother')      nospam (at) nominet.name

For information, since I (as Control) am acting as returning officer for the
nominations I am not eligible to be a nominator.

Chris C

Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:18:55  
uk.net.news.management Chris Croughton 

>Since a couple of people seem to have missed it, I'm posting the changes to
>the list of candidates for the Committee elections under the subject
>"Committee Election Candidates 2007" to unna, unnc and unnm.  All of the posts
>have the same subject and are PGP signed with Control's key.  Currently the
>list of candidates, all of whom have fully confirmed nominators, is:
>
>Molly Mockford                      com2007 (at) mollymockford.me.uk
>
>Charles Lindsey                     chl (at) clerew.man.ac.uk
>
>Martyn Bailey (aka: '.mother')      nospam (at) nominet.name
>
>For information, since I (as Control) am acting as returning officer for the
>nominations I am not eligible to be a nominator.

I see 3 empty places and 3 people all able to fill those places.

Do we need an election?

-- 
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On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:42:36 +0000, "Wm..."
 wrote in
:

>I see 3 empty places and 3 people all able to fill those places.
>
>Do we need an election?

Nominations are still open. We will not know whether or not we need an
election until we hear from Control either that there is another
candidate with confirmed nominations or that the nomination deadline has
passed with no additional candidate.

-- 
Owen Rees
[one of] my preferred email address[es] and more stuff can be
found at <http://www.users.waitrose.com/~owenrees/index.html>

Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:03:36  
uk.net.news.management Owen Rees 

>On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:42:36 +0000, "Wm..."
> wrote in
>:
>
>>I see 3 empty places and 3 people all able to fill those places.
>>
>>Do we need an election?
>
>Nominations are still open. We will not know whether or not we need an
>election until we hear from Control either that there is another
>candidate with confirmed nominations or that the nomination deadline has
>passed with no additional candidate.

See this piece of string?  Go on, you know you want to grab it.

-- 
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Reply-To: address valid for at least 7 days

On 2007-12-10, Wm...  wrote:
> Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:18:55  
> uk.net.news.management Chris Croughton 
>
>>Since a couple of people seem to have missed it, I'm posting the changes to
>>the list of candidates for the Committee elections under the subject
>>"Committee Election Candidates 2007" to unna, unnc and unnm.  All of the posts
>>have the same subject and are PGP signed with Control's key.  Currently the
>>list of candidates, all of whom have fully confirmed nominators, is:
>>
>>Molly Mockford                      com2007 (at) mollymockford.me.uk
>>
>>Charles Lindsey                     chl (at) clerew.man.ac.uk
>>
>>Martyn Bailey (aka: '.mother')      nospam (at) nominet.name
>>
>>For information, since I (as Control) am acting as returning officer for the
>>nominations I am not eligible to be a nominator.
>
> I see 3 empty places and 3 people all able to fill those places.
>
> Do we need an election?

Not if no one else stands.  Nominations close on the 14th (confirmation of
nominations must be by the 18th).

Chris C

Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:08:05  
uk.net.news.management Chris Croughton 

>On 2007-12-10, Wm...  wrote:
>> Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:18:55 
>> uk.net.news.management Chris Croughton 
>>
>>>Since a couple of people seem to have missed it, I'm posting the changes to
>>>the list of candidates for the Committee elections under the subject
>>>"Committee Election Candidates 2007" to unna, unnc and unnm.  All of 
>>>the posts
>>>have the same subject and are PGP signed with Control's key.  Currently the
>>>list of candidates, all of whom have fully confirmed nominators, is:
>>>
>>>Molly Mockford                      com2007 (at) mollymockford.me.uk
>>>
>>>Charles Lindsey                     chl (at) clerew.man.ac.uk
>>>
>>>Martyn Bailey (aka: '.mother')      nospam (at) nominet.name
>>>
>>>For information, since I (as Control) am acting as returning officer for the
>>>nominations I am not eligible to be a nominator.
>>
>> I see 3 empty places and 3 people all able to fill those places.
>>
>> Do we need an election?
>
>Not if no one else stands.  Nominations close on the 14th (confirmation of
>nominations must be by the 18th).

I'm happy with the bunch above.

-- 
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Reply-To: address valid for at least 7 days

On 11 Dec, in article 
     chris@keristor.net "Chris Croughton" wrote:

> On 2007-12-10, Wm...  wrote:
> > Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:18:55  
> > uk.net.news.management Chris Croughton 
> >
> >>Since a couple of people seem to have missed it, I'm posting the changes to
> >>the list of candidates for the Committee elections under the subject
> >>"Committee Election Candidates 2007" to unna, unnc and unnm.  All of the posts
> >>have the same subject and are PGP signed with Control's key.  Currently the
> >>list of candidates, all of whom have fully confirmed nominators, is:
> >>
> >>Molly Mockford                      com2007 (at) mollymockford.me.uk
> >>
> >>Charles Lindsey                     chl (at) clerew.man.ac.uk
> >>
> >>Martyn Bailey (aka: '.mother')      nospam (at) nominet.name
> >>
> >>For information, since I (as Control) am acting as returning officer for the
> >>nominations I am not eligible to be a nominator.
> >
> > I see 3 empty places and 3 people all able to fill those places.
> >
> > Do we need an election?
> 
> Not if no one else stands.  Nominations close on the 14th (confirmation of
> nominations must be by the 18th).

I can understand the desire to avoid publicising one's email address, 
but I wonder if Martyn Bailey's use of that "nospam" email address is 
appropriate here? If it's like other "nospam" addresses it's inherently 
unconfirmable as being _his_ address. It looks a little too generic.

The name and nickname are familiar to me from other newsgroups, but 
could the privacy have been better-handled?


-- 
David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.

On the horizon, a carrier task force of the Salvation Navy was 
turning into the wind, preparing to launch Zeppelins.

On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:04:13 +0000 (GMT), dbell@zhochaka.org.uk
("David G. Bell") wrote:

>I can understand the desire to avoid publicising one's email address, 
>but I wonder if Martyn Bailey's use of that "nospam" email address is 
>appropriate here? If it's like other "nospam" addresses it's inherently 
>unconfirmable as being _his_ address. It looks a little too generic.

That's the trouble with making assumptions isn't it :-)

The email address is perfectly valid, and works just fine "as is".

On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:14:20 +0000, "Wm..."
 wrote:

>>On 2007-12-10, Wm...  wrote:
>>> Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:18:55 
>>> uk.net.news.management Chris Croughton 

>>>>Molly Mockford                      com2007 (at) mollymockford.me.uk
>>>>
>>>>Charles Lindsey                     chl (at) clerew.man.ac.uk
>>>>
>>>>Martyn Bailey (aka: '.mother')      nospam (at) nominet.name

>I'm happy with the bunch above.

Since it's nearly Xmas, my default state must be happy - for
some fairly unusual values of "happy" I hasten to add.

But I agree with your sentiment, even using the non
seasonally-adjusted variants of "happy".

-- 
John Bean

"Wm..."  wrote in message 
news:9nAiCeRMtGYHFwjy@[127.0.0.1]...
> Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:08:05  
> uk.net.news.management Chris Croughton 
>
>>On 2007-12-10, Wm...  wrote:
>>> Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:18:55 
>>> uk.net.news.management Chris Croughton 
>>>
>>>>Since a couple of people seem to have missed it, I'm posting the changes 
>>>>to
>>>>the list of candidates for the Committee elections under the subject
>>>>"Committee Election Candidates 2007" to unna, unnc and unnm.  All of the 
>>>>posts
>>>>have the same subject and are PGP signed with Control's key.  Currently 
>>>>the
>>>>list of candidates, all of whom have fully confirmed nominators, is:
>>>>
>>>>Molly Mockford                      com2007 (at) mollymockford.me.uk
>>>>
>>>>Charles Lindsey                     chl (at) clerew.man.ac.uk
>>>>
>>>>Martyn Bailey (aka: '.mother')      nospam (at) nominet.name
>>>>
>>>>For information, since I (as Control) am acting as returning officer for 
>>>>the
>>>>nominations I am not eligible to be a nominator.
>>>
>>> I see 3 empty places and 3 people all able to fill those places.
>>>
>>> Do we need an election?
>>
>>Not if no one else stands.  Nominations close on the 14th (confirmation of
>>nominations must be by the 18th).
>
> I'm happy with the bunch above.

I don't think most people really care anymore - no-one is proposing new 
groups, the comittee haven't been needed for ages, UKVoting has gone 
exceptionally quiet and even Cummins hasn't stood for election this year.

Mind you, the statistics at:

http://www.cam.ac.uk/cs/newsserver/hierarchy-stats/uk/

are healthier than I thought they would be.

In message , at 09:04:13 on 
Wed, 12 Dec 2007, David G. Bell  wibbled

>I can understand the desire to avoid publicising one's email address,

It is already publicised, it's his Usenet Reply-To:

>but I wonder if Martyn Bailey's use of that "nospam" email address is
>appropriate here?

Perfectly appropriate here IMO.

>If it's like other "nospam" addresses it's inherently
>unconfirmable as being _his_ address.

You are making assumptions.


-- 
Pedt

Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:11:06 <4761a048$0$513$bed64819@news.gradwell.net> 
uk.net.news.management David Mahon 

Wm:
>> I'm happy with the bunch above.
>
>I don't think most people really care anymore

If uk.* is managed well most people probably don't need to know that it 
is managed.

> - no-one is proposing new groups,

do we need them?  I don't think there has been a move against new 
groups.

> the comittee haven't been needed for ages,

Not quite true, I thought they initiated a significant change earlier 
this year.

> UKVoting has gone exceptionally quiet

Yes.  Perhaps they knew they wouldn't be needed this year?

> and even Cummins hasn't stood for election this year.

No conflicts may mean no Cummins or other wild cards for the election. 
Isn't that an indication of a good state of affairs for uk.* ?

>Mind you, the statistics at:
>
>http://www.cam.ac.uk/cs/newsserver/hierarchy-stats/uk/
>
>are healthier than I thought they would be.

I don't think uk.* is about to die :)

-- 
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Reply-To: address valid for at least 7 days

On Thursday, in article
     
     "\"@@\""@user-unknown.mx2.org.uk "Pedt" wrote:

> In message , at 09:04:13 on 
> Wed, 12 Dec 2007, David G. Bell  wibbled
> 
> >I can understand the desire to avoid publicising one's email address,
> 
> It is already publicised, it's his Usenet Reply-To:

Which isn't always a frequently-checked email address. 

> >but I wonder if Martyn Bailey's use of that "nospam" email address is
> >appropriate here?
> 
> Perfectly appropriate here IMO.

Depends how it's used.

> 
> >If it's like other "nospam" addresses it's inherently
> >unconfirmable as being _his_ address.
> 
> You are making assumptions.

Based on experience. Even apparently ordinary email addresses can be 
operating with really awkward anti-spam measures, of the "Ohbuggerit, 
the challenge-response system expects Internet Explorer" level of 
awkwardness. This would be the first "nospam@domain" address I've come 
across that isn't used as a reply-to by many users, and connected to 
dev/nul

YMMV

If I hadn't come across the guy elsenet, and if I didn't know Control. 
I'd think something really dumb was happening. For all I know, they 
routinely exchange emails and simply never thought it might look odd.

> 
> 
> -- 
> Pedt
> 

-- 
David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.

On the horizon, a carrier task force of the Salvation Navy was 
turning into the wind, preparing to launch Zeppelins.

On Thursday, in article
     
     nospam@nominet.name ".mother" wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:04:13 +0000 (GMT), dbell@zhochaka.org.uk
> ("David G. Bell") wrote:
> 
> >I can understand the desire to avoid publicising one's email address, 
> >but I wonder if Martyn Bailey's use of that "nospam" email address is 
> >appropriate here? If it's like other "nospam" addresses it's inherently 
> >unconfirmable as being _his_ address. It looks a little too generic.
> 
> That's the trouble with making assumptions isn't it :-)
> 
> The email address is perfectly valid, and works just fine "as is".

OK.

It's the first time I've seen an address of that general form which 
wasn't being used by multiple people, which would have rather messed up 
the point of providing an email address.

-- 
David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.

On the horizon, a carrier task force of the Salvation Navy was 
turning into the wind, preparing to launch Zeppelins.

Fri, 14 Dec 2007 01:12:26  
uk.net.news.management David G. Bell 

>On Thursday, in article
>     
>     nospam@nominet.name ".mother" wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:04:13 +0000 (GMT), dbell@zhochaka.org.uk
>> ("David G. Bell") wrote:
>>
>> >I can understand the desire to avoid publicising one's email address,
>> >but I wonder if Martyn Bailey's use of that "nospam" email address is
>> >appropriate here? If it's like other "nospam" addresses it's inherently
>> >unconfirmable as being _his_ address. It looks a little too generic.
>>
>> That's the trouble with making assumptions isn't it :-)
>>
>> The email address is perfectly valid, and works just fine "as is".
>
>OK.
>
>It's the first time I've seen an address of that general form which
>wasn't being used by multiple people, which would have rather messed up
>the point of providing an email address.

David, the committee isn't a group of folk-heads.  They consume biscuits 
and tea in large amounts.  Not other stuff.  M's address looks good to 
me.


P.S. by proxy you are saying other people are bad.

-- 
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On 2007-12-14, "David G. Bell"  wrote:
> If I hadn't come across the guy elsenet, and if I didn't know Control. 
> I'd think something really dumb was happening. For all I know, they 
> routinely exchange emails and simply never thought it might look odd.

Actually, he did mention that it might look odd, but as pointed out this is
his usual posting address, I'm rather amused that it's taken so long for
anyone to notice.

Note that part of the reason for publishing the email addresses is so that
anyone concerned could email the candidate to check out the email address.

Chris C

Wm... wrote:
> Fri, 14 Dec 2007 01:12:26 
> uk.net.news.management David G. Bell 
>
>> On Thursday, in article
>>     
>>     nospam@nominet.name ".mother" wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:04:13 +0000 (GMT), dbell@zhochaka.org.uk
>>> ("David G. Bell") wrote:
>>>
>>>> I can understand the desire to avoid publicising one's email
>>>> address, but I wonder if Martyn Bailey's use of that "nospam"
>>>> email address is appropriate here? If it's like other "nospam"
>>>> addresses it's inherently unconfirmable as being _his_ address. It
>>>> looks a little too generic.
>>>
>>> That's the trouble with making assumptions isn't it :-)
>>>
>>> The email address is perfectly valid, and works just fine "as is".
>>
>> OK.
>>
>> It's the first time I've seen an address of that general form which
>> wasn't being used by multiple people, which would have rather messed
>> up the point of providing an email address.
>
> David, the committee isn't a group of folk-heads.  They consume
> biscuits and tea in large amounts.  Not other stuff.  M's address
> looks good to me.

I prefer coffee - just  in case those that were kind enough to vote for me 
care about the budget and what we spend it on.

;-)

-- 
  kat
          >^..^<

On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 01:12:26 +0000 (GMT), dbell@zhochaka.org.uk
("David G. Bell") wrote:

>It's the first time I've seen an address of that general form which 
>wasn't being used by multiple people, which would have rather messed up 
>the point of providing an email address.

I think the (looks over shoulder) spammers think that, too :-)

I will put my hands up and admit it's a little 'geeky', tho'.

On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:14:44 -0000, "kat" 
wrote:

>I prefer coffee - just  in case those that were kind enough to vote for me 
>care about the budget and what we spend it on.

I can vouch for the diligence with which Kat manages the Committee
budget.  The money has never been in better paws.

On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 01:03:33 +0000 (GMT), dbell@zhochaka.org.uk
("David G. Bell") wrote:

>if I didn't know Control. 

You know Control?  Some say he lives in a house 
constructed entirely of cobal and writes his 
cheques in binary - all we know is that he's 
the man who can take the pgp key around the 
bend at 3.14285714285714mph and remain, fully
in Control...

>I'd think something really dumb was happening.

Hold that thought David.  Just because one thing 
is right, doesn't mean something really dumb 
isn't happening elsewhere :-)

On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:11:06 -0000, "David Mahon" 
wrote:

>Mind you, the statistics at:
>
>http://www.cam.ac.uk/cs/newsserver/hierarchy-stats/uk/
>
>are healthier than I thought they would be.

Yes, I checked a week or so ago and it seems there is still a great
deal of interest - with many groups as busy as they ever have been.
(I actually find it hard to keep up with some groups if I don't read
them for a few days). Perhaps it is just 'working' and needs no
intervention.

.mother wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:14:44 -0000, "kat" 
> wrote:
>
>> I prefer coffee - just  in case those that were kind enough to vote
>> for me care about the budget and what we spend it on.
>
> I can vouch for the diligence with which Kat manages the Committee
> budget.  The money has never been in better paws.

But fuel prices are getting silly - the black helicopter may be grounded.


-- 
  kat
          >^..^<

On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:54:41 -0000, "kat" 
wrote:

>But fuel prices are getting silly - the black helicopter may be grounded.

Not until after we've done the trip to get cheap booze for chrimo tho!

(cue someone with a query as to why it isn't powered by hot air).

.mother wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:54:41 -0000, "kat" 
> wrote:
>
>> But fuel prices are getting silly - the black helicopter may be
>> grounded.
>
> Not until after we've done the trip to get cheap booze for chrimo tho!

*Another* one?

>
> (cue someone with a query as to why it isn't powered by hot air).

It's been in short supply recently.  We need to find alternative sources.


-- 
  kat
          >^..^<

On 2007-12-14, kat  wrote:
> .mother wrote:
>> On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:54:41 -0000, "kat" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> But fuel prices are getting silly - the black helicopter may be
>>> grounded.
>>
>> Not until after we've done the trip to get cheap booze for chrimo tho!
>
> *Another* one?
>
>> (cue someone with a query as to why it isn't powered by hot air).
>
> It's been in short supply recently.  We need to find alternative sources.

Alternative sauces?  What's wrong with Heinz?

Chris C

.mother wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 01:03:33 +0000 (GMT), dbell@zhochaka.org.uk
> ("David G. Bell") wrote:
>
>> if I didn't know Control.
>
> You know Control?  Some say he lives in a house
> constructed entirely of cobal and writes his
> cheques in binary - all we know is that he's
> the man who can take the pgp key around the
> bend at 3.14285714285714mph and remain, fully
> in Control...
>
>> I'd think something really dumb was happening.
>
> Hold that thought David.  Just because one thing
> is right, doesn't mean something really dumb
> isn't happening elsewhere :-)

Just to maintain the balance...
-- 
John Briggs

Wm... wrote:
> Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:11:06 <4761a048$0$513$bed64819@news.gradwell.net>
> uk.net.news.management David Mahon 
>
> Wm:
>>> I'm happy with the bunch above.
>>
>> I don't think most people really care anymore
>
> If uk.* is managed well most people probably don't need to know that
> it is managed.
>
>> - no-one is proposing new groups,
>
> do we need them?  I don't think there has been a move against new
> groups.
>
>> the comittee haven't been needed for ages,
>
> Not quite true, I thought they initiated a significant change earlier
> this year.

Except that it is only significant if it and the Committee are of any 
relevance...
-- 
John Briggs

In article ,
 . mother <nospam@nominet.name.invalid> writes:
>On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 01:03:33 +0000 (GMT), dbell@zhochaka.org.uk
>("David G. Bell") wrote:
>
>>if I didn't know Control.
>
>You know Control?  Some say he lives in a house
>constructed entirely of cobal

An ungodly cross between COBOL and cabal, presumably. :)
-- 
John Hall
             "Honest criticism is hard to take,
               particularly from a relative, a friend,
               an acquaintance, or a stranger."        Franklin P Jones

Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:33:24 <E7z8j.15910$yZ4.12691@newsfe4-gui.ntli.net> 
uk.net.news.management John Briggs 

Wm:
>> Not quite true, I thought they initiated a significant change earlier
>> this year.
>
>Except that it is only significant if it and the Committee are of any
>relevance...

There is nothing stopping you from proposing the removal of the 
Committee.  It might provide us with the hot air necessary to get the 
fuel in the chopper warmed up.

Personally I see a lot of newsgroups out there that cover a myriad of 
interests and don't see why uk.* needs to cover all interests.

-- 
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Reply-To: address valid for at least 7 days

On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:20:22 +0000, John Hall
 wrote:

>In article ,
> . mother <nospam@nominet.name.invalid> writes:
>>On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 01:03:33 +0000 (GMT), dbell@zhochaka.org.uk
>>("David G. Bell") wrote:
>>
>>>if I didn't know Control.
>>
>>You know Control?  Some say he lives in a house
>>constructed entirely of cobal
>
>An ungodly cross between COBOL and cabal, presumably. :)

I was playing with a mix of cobol and cobalt* and was tempted to make
a comment about having no t(ea) then thought I'd better just hit send
and stop being a prat.

Had I thought of cabal, however... :-)

*  Cobalt is a hard, lustrous, silver-grey metal, a chemical element
with symbol Co. It is found in various ores, and is used in the
preparation of magnetic, wear-resistant, and high-strength alloys. 
(Sauce: Wikipeadya)

On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:33:24 GMT, "John Briggs"
 wrote:

>Except that it is only significant if it and the Committee are of any 
>relevance...

I'd hope that for the majority of the time the committee have
absolutely no relevance whatsoever.

At 21:12:05 on Fri, 14 Dec 2007, . mother <nospam@nominet.name.invalid> 
wrote in :

>On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:20:22 +0000, John Hall
> wrote:
>
>>In article ,
>> . mother <nospam@nominet.name.invalid> writes:

>>>You know Control?  Some say he lives in a house
>>>constructed entirely of cobal
>>
>>An ungodly cross between COBOL and cabal, presumably. :)
>
>I was playing with a mix of cobol and cobalt* and was tempted to make
>a comment about having no t(ea) then thought I'd better just hit send
>and stop being a prat.
>
>Had I thought of cabal, however... :-)
>
>*  Cobalt is a hard, lustrous, silver-grey metal, a chemical element
>with symbol Co. It is found in various ores, and is used in the
>preparation of magnetic, wear-resistant, and high-strength alloys.
>(Sauce: Wikipeadya)

And of course it is radioactive, which is why Kontrol is turning into a 
Kobold.
-- 
Molly
I don't speak for the Committee.  If I ever do, it will be made
specifically clear.
My Reply-To address *is* valid, though may not be so for ever.

Chris Croughton wrote:
> On 2007-12-14, kat  wrote:
>> .mother wrote:
>>> On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:54:41 -0000, "kat" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> But fuel prices are getting silly - the black helicopter may be
>>>> grounded.
>>>
>>> Not until after we've done the trip to get cheap booze for chrimo
>>> tho!
>>
>> *Another* one?
>>
>>> (cue someone with a query as to why it isn't powered by hot air).
>>
>> It's been in short supply recently.  We need to find alternative
>> sources.
>
> Alternative sauces?  What's wrong with Heinz?
>

They put too much goo in their beans.

-- 
  kat
          >^..^<

Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:14:26  
uk.net.news.management kat 

>>> It's been in short supply recently.  We need to find alternative
>>> sources.
>>
>> Alternative sauces?  What's wrong with Heinz?

>They put too much goo in their beans.

Them again?  I really, really want to know who the them are.

P.S. Grammar may play a part in understanding.

-- 
Wm...
Reply-To: address valid for at least 7 days

Molly Mockford wrote:
> At 21:12:05 on Fri, 14 Dec 2007, . mother
> <nospam@nominet.name.invalid> wrote in
> :
>> On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:20:22 +0000, John Hall
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> In article ,
>>> . mother <nospam@nominet.name.invalid> writes:
>
>>>> You know Control?  Some say he lives in a house
>>>> constructed entirely of cobal
>>>
>>> An ungodly cross between COBOL and cabal, presumably. :)
>>
>> I was playing with a mix of cobol and cobalt* and was tempted to make
>> a comment about having no t(ea) then thought I'd better just hit send
>> and stop being a prat.
>>
>> Had I thought of cabal, however... :-)
>>
>> *  Cobalt is a hard, lustrous, silver-grey metal, a chemical element
>> with symbol Co. It is found in various ores, and is used in the
>> preparation of magnetic, wear-resistant, and high-strength alloys.
>> (Sauce: Wikipeadya)
>
> And of course it is radioactive, which is why Kontrol is turning into
> a Kobold.

You're probably thinking of Cobalt-60, which is interesting because it has 
two isomeric states, one of which is a neutron absorber - with a short 
half-life, but presumably a merry one. Cobalt-59, on the other hand 
(labelled as "100% abundance") is as stable as they come.
-- 
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Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:15:31 <TUF8j.11559$KC3.38@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net> 
uk.net.news.management John Briggs 

>You're probably thinking of Cobalt-60, which is interesting because it has
>two isomeric states, one of which is a neutron absorber - with a short
>half-life, but presumably a merry one. Cobalt-59, on the other hand
>(labelled as "100% abundance") is as stable as they come.

COBOL was stable last year

Please add a multiplier as seen fit.

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In  on Fri, 14 Dec
2007 21:18:36 +0000, .mother  wrote:

>On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:33:24 GMT, "John Briggs"
> wrote:
>
>>Except that it is only significant if it and the Committee are of any 
>>relevance...
>
>I'd hope that for the majority of the time the committee have
>absolutely no relevance whatsoever.
>

My definition of a successful committee. Congratulations for
having resisted all urges to indulge in unnecessary
for-the-sake-of-being-seen-to-be-doing-something tinkering,
amending, meddling, fine-tuning or micromanaging during the past
year. 

I'd even vote for yez all again if you promise to continue the
good work :)

-- 
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At 09:43:59 on Sun, 16 Dec 2007, Dick Gaughan  
wrote in :

>My definition of a successful committee. Congratulations for
>having resisted all urges to indulge in unnecessary
>for-the-sake-of-being-seen-to-be-doing-something tinkering,
>amending, meddling, fine-tuning or micromanaging during the past
>year.
>
>I'd even vote for yez all again if you promise to continue the
>good work :)

I think that I can certainly give you my assurance that I shall, when 
required, continue to do absolutely nothing in my own inimitable way. It 
is an area in which I have specialised all my life.
-- 
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specifically clear.
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Molly Mockford wrote:
> At 09:43:59 on Sun, 16 Dec 2007, Dick Gaughan 
> wrote in :
>
>> My definition of a successful committee. Congratulations for
>> having resisted all urges to indulge in unnecessary
>> for-the-sake-of-being-seen-to-be-doing-something tinkering,
>> amending, meddling, fine-tuning or micromanaging during the past
>> year.
>>
>> I'd even vote for yez all again if you promise to continue the
>> good work :)
>
> I think that I can certainly give you my assurance that I shall, when
> required, continue to do absolutely nothing in my own inimitable way.
> It is an area in which I have specialised all my life.

It is an area which some find difficult if not nigh on impossible, but I am 
pleased and honoured to be part of a group of people who practice daily to 
achieve perfection in this art.  On those rare occasions when we fail to do 
nothing you can all be assured that we endeavour to procrastinate for as 
long as possible.


-- 
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          >^..^<

In MsgID<TUF8j.11559$KC3.38@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net> on Sat, 15 Dec 2007
01:15:31 GMT, in uk.net.news.management, 'John Briggs' wrote:

>
>You're probably thinking of Cobalt-60, which is interesting because it has 
>two isomeric states, one of which is a neutron absorber - with a short 
>half-life, but presumably a merry one. Cobalt-59, on the other hand 
>(labelled as "100% abundance") is as stable as they come.

Isomeric states? Sorry about the timewarp, even family disasters don't
stop me catching up *eventually* ;)

The meaning I know for isomer would be something like 'same components
different structure' How can that work for an atom? Different physical
structure within the nucleus?

Sorry, curiousity's a powerful force, with quite a long range..
Beats attraction to topic by an order of magnitude or two :)

Dave J.


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Dave J. wrote:
> In MsgID<TUF8j.11559$KC3.38@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net> on Sat, 15 Dec 2007
> 01:15:31 GMT, in uk.net.news.management, 'John Briggs' wrote:
>
>>
>> You're probably thinking of Cobalt-60, which is interesting because
>> it has two isomeric states, one of which is a neutron absorber -
>> with a short half-life, but presumably a merry one. Cobalt-59, on
>> the other hand (labelled as "100% abundance") is as stable as they
>> come.
>
> Isomeric states? Sorry about the timewarp, even family disasters don't
> stop me catching up *eventually* ;)
>
> The meaning I know for isomer would be something like 'same components
> different structure' How can that work for an atom? Different physical
> structure within the nucleus?

It's an analogy, of course. Same atomic number, same mass number - different 
energy state, and hence different radioactive properties. The nucleus is 
excited to a metastable state, which is regarded as the upper isomer. In 
this case, both the upper isomer and lower isomer are radioactive - which 
makes the concept of a 'ground state' a trifle moot. Very short-lived 
metastable states tend to get ignored, so the definition is a bit arbitrary.

> Sorry, curiousity's a powerful force, with quite a long range..
> Beats attraction to topic by an order of magnitude or two :)

A bit like gravity compared to the electromagnetic force, I suppose...
-- 
John Briggs

At 18:46:49 on Sun, 20 Jan 2008, John Briggs  
wrote in <tGMkj.75466$KC3.51549@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>:

>In this case, both the upper isomer and lower isomer are radioactive - 
>which makes the concept of a 'ground state' a trifle moot.

I like the idea of something being a trifle moot.  It's rather like 
being a wee bit pregnant, or slightly dead.
-- 
Molly
I don't speak for the Committee.  If I ever do, it will be made
specifically clear.
My Reply-To address *is* valid, though may not be so for ever.

Molly Mockford wrote:
> At 18:46:49 on Sun, 20 Jan 2008, John Briggs
>  wrote in
> <tGMkj.75466$KC3.51549@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>:
>> In this case, both the upper isomer and lower isomer are radioactive
>> - which makes the concept of a 'ground state' a trifle moot.
>
> I like the idea of something being a trifle moot.  It's rather like
> being a wee bit pregnant, or slightly dead.

Well, where do you stand on the issue?
-- 
John Briggs

John Briggs wrote:
> Molly Mockford wrote:
>> At 18:46:49 on Sun, 20 Jan 2008, John Briggs
>>  wrote in
>> <tGMkj.75466$KC3.51549@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>:
>>> In this case, both the upper isomer and lower isomer are radioactive
>>> - which makes the concept of a 'ground state' a trifle moot.
>>
>> I like the idea of something being a trifle moot.  It's rather like
>> being a wee bit pregnant, or slightly dead.
>
> Well, where do you stand on the issue?

On one leg personally.


-- 
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          >^..^<

At 15:17:54 on Mon, 21 Jan 2008, kat  wrote in 
:

>John Briggs wrote:
>> Molly Mockford wrote:
>>> At 18:46:49 on Sun, 20 Jan 2008, John Briggs
>>>  wrote in
>>> <tGMkj.75466$KC3.51549@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>:
>>>> In this case, both the upper isomer and lower isomer are radioactive
>>>> - which makes the concept of a 'ground state' a trifle moot.
>>>
>>> I like the idea of something being a trifle moot.  It's rather like
>>> being a wee bit pregnant, or slightly dead.
>>
>> Well, where do you stand on the issue?
>
>On one leg personally.

Indeed, I would gladly specify which leg - except that I can never 
remember whether a left-footer is a Protestant or a Catholic (or why); 
and since I am neither, this could lead to a bijou problemlette.
-- 
Molly
I don't speak for the Committee.  If I ever do, it will be made
specifically clear.
My Reply-To address *is* valid, though may not be so for ever.

Molly Mockford wrote:
> At 15:17:54 on Mon, 21 Jan 2008, kat  wrote in
> :
>
>> John Briggs wrote:
>>> Molly Mockford wrote:
>>>> At 18:46:49 on Sun, 20 Jan 2008, John Briggs
>>>>  wrote in
>>>> <tGMkj.75466$KC3.51549@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>:
>>>>> In this case, both the upper isomer and lower isomer are
>>>>> radioactive - which makes the concept of a 'ground state' a trifle 
>>>>> moot.
>>>>
>>>> I like the idea of something being a trifle moot.  It's rather like
>>>> being a wee bit pregnant, or slightly dead.
>>>
>>> Well, where do you stand on the issue?
>>
>> On one leg personally.
>
> Indeed, I would gladly specify which leg - except that I can never
> remember whether a left-footer is a Protestant or a Catholic (or why);
> and since I am neither, this could lead to a bijou problemlette.

Then I recommend standing on one hand.

Not that I would know which leg to stand on either.:-)


-- 
  kat
          >^..^<

On Sunday, in article <4wdjF52u98kHFwiL@molly.mockford>
     nospamnobody@mollymockford.me.uk "Molly Mockford" wrote:

> At 18:46:49 on Sun, 20 Jan 2008, John Briggs  
> wrote in <tGMkj.75466$KC3.51549@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>:
> 
> >In this case, both the upper isomer and lower isomer are radioactive - 
> >which makes the concept of a 'ground state' a trifle moot.
> 
> I like the idea of something being a trifle moot.  It's rather like 
> being a wee bit pregnant, or slightly dead.

And here I was thinking it was a parliamentary assembly with added 
tarts.

-- 
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On the horizon, a carrier task force of the Salvation Navy was 
turning into the wind, preparing to launch Zeppelins.

On 2008-01-20, Molly Mockford  wrote:
> At 18:46:49 on Sun, 20 Jan 2008, John Briggs  
> wrote in <tGMkj.75466$KC3.51549@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>:
>
>>In this case, both the upper isomer and lower isomer are radioactive - 
>>which makes the concept of a 'ground state' a trifle moot.
>
> I like the idea of something being a trifle moot.  It's rather like 
> being a wee bit pregnant, or slightly dead.

A trifle moot is a meeting where people discuss whether the sherry goes in
the jelly or the cake.

Chris C

"Chris Croughton"  wrote in message 
news:5vs094F1nptp2U1@mid.individual.net...
> On 2008-01-20, Molly Mockford  wrote:
>> At 18:46:49 on Sun, 20 Jan 2008, John Briggs 
>> wrote in <tGMkj.75466$KC3.51549@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>:
>>
>>>In this case, both the upper isomer and lower isomer are radioactive -
>>>which makes the concept of a 'ground state' a trifle moot.
>>
>> I like the idea of something being a trifle moot.  It's rather like
>> being a wee bit pregnant, or slightly dead.
>
> A trifle moot is a meeting where people discuss whether the sherry goes in
> the jelly or the cake.
>

Very Holbytla, that.

At 17:30:12 on Thu, 24 Jan 2008, Chris Croughton  
wrote in :

>On 2008-01-20, Molly Mockford  wrote:
>> At 18:46:49 on Sun, 20 Jan 2008, John Briggs 
>> wrote in <tGMkj.75466$KC3.51549@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net>:
>>
>>>In this case, both the upper isomer and lower isomer are radioactive -
>>>which makes the concept of a 'ground state' a trifle moot.
>>
>> I like the idea of something being a trifle moot.  It's rather like
>> being a wee bit pregnant, or slightly dead.
>
>A trifle moot is a meeting where people discuss whether the sherry goes in
>the jelly or the cake.

What's wrong with both?
-- 
Molly
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specifically clear.
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In article ,
 Chris Croughton  writes:
>
>A trifle moot is a meeting where people discuss whether the sherry goes in
>the jelly or the cake.

Or in the chef.
-- 
John Hall
             "Honest criticism is hard to take,
               particularly from a relative, a friend,
               an acquaintance, or a stranger."        Franklin P Jones

In message <0lOQnDGPdNmHFwi+@jhall.demon.co.uk.invalid>, at 18:22:07 on 
Thu, 24 Jan 2008, John Hall  wibbled
>In article ,
> Chris Croughton  writes:
>>
>>A trifle moot is a meeting where people discuss whether the sherry goes in
>>the jelly or the cake.
>
>Or in the chef.

IME, cooking at home, all three.

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