Ian Jackson  writes:

> The moderation system is now ready and waiting; Control has all the
> details necessary to create the group; the moderators have their
> passwords and are giving things a quick test to see everything looks
> good for them.

OOI, when should the new group's creation happen?

Matthew

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Quoting  Matthew Vernon  :
>Ian Jackson  writes:
>>The moderation system is now ready and waiting; Control has all the
>>details necessary to create the group; the moderators have their
>>passwords and are giving things a quick test to see everything looks
>>good for them.
>OOI, when should the new group's creation happen?

When Control issues the newgrp. I wrote to them on Sunday morning
confirming that the usenet.org.uk addresses they insist on routing all
mail through (not a requirement in the Guidelines, of course) were working
correctly, in response to an email saying that when that was confirmed the
newgrp would be issued.
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In  jms  writes:

>>When Control issues the newgrp. I wrote to them on Sunday morning
>>confirming that the usenet.org.uk addresses they insist on routing all
>>mail through (not a requirement in the Guidelines, of course) were working
>>correctly, in response to an email saying that when that was confirmed the
>>newgrp would be issued.


>Excellent - does this mean that Hotmail users can email the moderators
>and all moderators will receive the mail?

That should be so.

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Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.co.uk> writes:
> David Damerell  wrote:
>> Jon Ribbens  <jon+usenet@unequivocal.co.uk>:
>>> David Damerell  wrote:

>>>> confirming that the usenet.org.uk addresses they insist on routing all
>>>> mail through (not a requirement in the Guidelines, of course)
>>> No, that's just a requirement if you want the moderation of the group
>>> to actually *work*.
>>
>> That will certainly come as news to all moderated groups outside uk.*.
>
> I suggest you go read up on how moderated newsgroups work.

That would be:
    http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/software/inn/docs/moderators.html
which makes it clear that moderators.isc.org maintains the forwarding
database for all newsgroups and there's no inherent need to indirect
via usenet.org.uk.

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Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.co.uk> writes:
> On 2009-10-03, Richard Kettlewell  wrote:

>>> I suggest you go read up on how moderated newsgroups work.
>>
>> That would be:
>>     http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/software/inn/docs/moderators.html
>> which makes it clear that moderators.isc.org maintains the forwarding
>> database for all newsgroups and there's no inherent need to indirect
>> via usenet.org.uk.
>
> Wrong. Read it again.

Don't be so patronizing.

> It makes it clear that it is configurable on a per-site basis.
>
> For a very long time indeed it has been standard advice that news
> server administrators put the following line in their moderators file:
>
>   uk.*:%s@usenet.org.uk
>
> (e.g. see http://www.usenet.org.uk/newsadmins.html question 8.)
> Some news server software comes configured this way out of the box.
>
> So yeah, you can use a non-usenet.org.uk address if you like, but then
> the group will be read-only for a significant number of sites. Like
> I said, it's only a requirement if you want the moderation of the
> group to actually *work*.

usenet.org.uk could just forward to moderators.isc.org, in the case of
a uk.* group that for whatever reason didn't want to follow the petty
insistence on going via usenet.org.uk.

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On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 14:46:12 GMT, Richard Kettlewell put finger to
keyboard and typed:

>usenet.org.uk could just forward to moderators.isc.org, in the case of
>a uk.* group that for whatever reason didn't want to follow the petty
>insistence on going via usenet.org.uk.

moderators.isc.org forwards to usenet.org.uk for uk.* groups. So the
only way to avoid usenet.org.uk is to go direct to the moderation
address itself, which isn't an option for most people.

Mark
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Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.co.uk> writes:
> Yeah, let's set everything up for urcm in some weird unique way
> rather than doing it the normal way. That sounds a fantastic idea.
> Think of all the advantages! Oh, wait, there aren't any.

For example: one less point of failure in the path from poster to
submission.

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On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 19:19:39 +0100, Richard Kettlewell put finger to
keyboard and typed:

>Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.co.uk> writes:
>> Yeah, let's set everything up for urcm in some weird unique way
>> rather than doing it the normal way. That sounds a fantastic idea.
>> Think of all the advantages! Oh, wait, there aren't any.
>
>For example: one less point of failure in the path from poster to
>submission.

The moderators of urcm are perfectly entitled to ask the operators of
moderators.isc.org to forward mail directly to the submission address
without going via usenet.org.uk. I have no idea whether they would
comply with that request, but there's certainly nothing preventing the
request being made. Equally, the moderators of urcm can set up a
website of their own where they publish the direct submission address
if they wish, and there is nothing stopping any news admin from using
that address in their moderators.conf instead of one of the generic
forwarding addresses.

However, the forwarding address via usenet.org.uk will still be
created, and will still be the address that is published on
http://www.usenet.org.uk. So it would seem rather pointless not to use
it.

Mark
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In  "Charles Lindsey"  writes:

>Moderators.isc.org forwards uk.* groups to usenet.org.uk. The reason it is
>set up that way is to make it easier for us to change moderation
>submission addresses at short notice. Getting moderators.isc.org to change
>anything is always an uphill struggle, which may well be the reason the
>group had not been created yet (there were asked to set it up as soon as
>the 5 days period following the Vote Result had elapsed).

It seems I specified the wrong alias when asking moderators.isc.org to be
set up, which may account for the delay. My apologies for that. Steps have
been taken to fix it.

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