As subject, is the count still ongoing?
Ta
Alan.

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On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:50:01 +0100, alan@darkroom.+.com (A.Lee) wrote:

>As subject, is the count still ongoing?

AIUI the VT will be diligently validating the voters and votes before
then sending the results for peer review within UKV.  

This process could take some time - especially given people also have
to diligently deal with Real Life[TM}  :-)

In message , at 18:46:27 on 
Wed, 19 Aug 2009, . m <nospam@notnominet.name.invalid> wibbled
>On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:50:01 +0100, alan@darkroom.+.com (A.Lee) wrote:
>
>>As subject, is the count still ongoing?
>
>AIUI the VT will be diligently validating the voters and votes before
>then sending the results for peer review within UKV.
>
>This process could take some time - especially given people also have
>to diligently deal with Real Life[TM}  :-)
>
Spot on.

RL is interesting when you're job hunting - interviews are like buses, 
nothing for ages then 6 come along at once.

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On 19 Aug, 22:57, Pedt <"\"@ @\""@user-unknown.mx2.org.uk> wrote:
> In message , at 18:46:27 on
> Wed, 19 Aug 2009, . m <nos...@notnominet.name.invalid> wibbled>
>
> >This process could take some time - especially given people also have
> >to diligently deal with Real Life[TM}  :-)
>
> Spot on.
>
> RL is interesting when you're job hunting - interviews are like buses,
> nothing for ages then 6 come along at once.

Best of luck hunting, then!

On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:57:17 +0100, Pedt <"\"@
@\""@user-unknown.mx2.org.uk> wrote:

> In message , at 18:46:27 on 
> Wed, 19 Aug 2009, . m <nospam@notnominet.name.invalid> wibbled
>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:50:01 +0100, alan@darkroom.+.com (A.Lee) wrote:
>>
>>> As subject, is the count still ongoing?
>>
>> AIUI the VT will be diligently validating the voters and votes before
>> then sending the results for peer review within UKV.
>>
>> This process could take some time - especially given people also have
>> to diligently deal with Real Life[TM}  :-)
>>
> Spot on.
>
> RL is interesting when you're job hunting - interviews are like buses, 
> nothing for ages then 6 come along at once.

This vote closed 5 weeks ago.  When will RL allow this to be wrapped up?

Tony

Sun, 13 Sep 2009 16:14:42  
uk.net.news.config Anthony R. Gold 

>On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:57:17 +0100, Pedt <"\"@
>@\""@user-unknown.mx2.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> In message , at 18:46:27 on
>> Wed, 19 Aug 2009, . m <nospam@notnominet.name.invalid> wibbled
>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:50:01 +0100, alan@darkroom.+.com (A.Lee) wrote:
>>>
>>>> As subject, is the count still ongoing?
>>>
>>> AIUI the VT will be diligently validating the voters and votes before
>>> then sending the results for peer review within UKV.
>>>
>>> This process could take some time - especially given people also have
>>> to diligently deal with Real Life[TM}  :-)
>>>
>> Spot on.
>>
>> RL is interesting when you're job hunting - interviews are like buses,
>> nothing for ages then 6 come along at once.
>
>This vote closed 5 weeks ago.  When will RL allow this to be wrapped up?

Let me put it this way, the delay is such that uk.rec.cycling seems to 
have forgotten about the proposed group.

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On 14 Sep, 10:50, "Wm..."  wrote:
> Sun, 13 Sep 2009 16:14:42 
> uk.net.news.config Anthony R. Gold 
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:57:17 퍝, Pedt <"\"@
> >@\""@user-unknown.mx2.org.uk> wrote:
>
> >> In message , at 18:46:27 on
> >> Wed, 19 Aug 2009, . m <nos...@notnominet.name.invalid> wibbled
> >>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:50:01 퍝, a...@darkroom..com (A.Lee) wrote> >>>> As subject, is the count still ongoing?
>
> >>> AIUI the VT will be diligently validating the voters and votes before
> >>> then sending the results for peer review within UKV.
>
> >>> This process could take some time - especially given people also have
> >>> to diligently deal with Real Life[TM}  :-)
>
> >> Spot on.
>
> >> RL is interesting when you're job hunting - interviews are like buses,
> >> nothing for ages then 6 come along at once.
>
> >This vote closed 5 weeks ago.  When will RL allow this to be wrapped up?
>
> Let me put it this way, the delay is such that uk.rec.cycling seems to
> have forgotten about the proposed group.
>
> --
> Wm...
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No I haven't forgotten - just waiting ...

Rudi

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 03:42:33 -0700 (PDT), RudiL 
wrote:

> On 14 Sep, 10:50, "Wm..."  wrote:
>> Sun, 13 Sep 2009 16:14:42 
>> uk.net.news.config Anthony R. Gold 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:57:17 +0100, Pedt <"\"@
>>> @\""@user-unknown.mx2.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>> In message , at 18:46:27 on
>>>> Wed, 19 Aug 2009, . m <nos...@notnominet.name.invalid> wibbled
>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:50:01 +0100, a...@darkroom.+.com (A.Lee) wrote:
>>
>>>>>> As subject, is the count still ongoing?
>>
>>>>> AIUI the VT will be diligently validating the voters and votes before
>>>>> then sending the results for peer review within UKV.
>>
>>>>> This process could take some time - especially given people also have
>>>>> to diligently deal with Real Life[TM}  :-)
>>
>>>> Spot on.
>>
>>>> RL is interesting when you're job hunting - interviews are like buses,
>>>> nothing for ages then 6 come along at once.
>>
>>> This vote closed 5 weeks ago.  When will RL allow this to be wrapped up?
>>
>> Let me put it this way, the delay is such that uk.rec.cycling seems to
>> have forgotten about the proposed group.
>>
>> --
>> Wm...
>> Reply-To: address valid for at least 7 days
>
> No I haven't forgotten - just waiting ...

Let's just hope Pedt doesn't do a runner (like Robbie in 2002) :-)

Tony

Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:53:46  
uk.net.news.config Anthony R. Gold 

>Let's just hope Pedt doesn't do a runner (like Robbie in 2002) :-)

I don't think Pedt is that sort of person.

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"RudiL"  wrote in message 
news:66f2fd10-b416-4a8b-8d9e-fe55b3badac7@m11g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...

>> Let me put it this way, the delay is such that uk.rec.cycling seems to
>> have forgotten about the proposed group.
>
>No I haven't forgotten - just waiting ...

Me neither.

We've been told we have to wait, and that there's nothing we can do about 
that. So what point is there in discussing it over at URC now?

On 26 August, Pedt did say "The result is on its way. Control should be 
posting it by the middle of next week as there's three working days on the 
UKV internal list to come."

That was nearly three weeks ago.

So, where is it? Did it make it onto the UKV internal list?

OTOH I can't see any posts from Pedt in the past two weeks - is he ok?

In article ,
Anthony R. Gold  wrote:
>This vote closed 5 weeks ago.  When will RL allow this to be wrapped up?

After a succession of missed estimates from the VT, I escalated this
to the Committee and UKVoting, last Monday lunchtime (the 7th).

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Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:19:14 <QMw*W04Qs@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> 
uk.net.news.config Ian Jackson 

>In article ,
>Anthony R. Gold  wrote:
>>This vote closed 5 weeks ago.  When will RL allow this to be wrapped up?
>
>After a succession of missed estimates from the VT, I escalated this
>to the Committee and UKVoting, last Monday lunchtime (the 7th).

How far had the process been at the time of asking?

There are stages so you might say

"still with VT"

"passed on to VT org"

"viewed by komite"

etc

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Wm... wrote on Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:50:56 +0100:

> Let me put it this way, the delay is such that uk.rec.cycling seems to
> have forgotten about the proposed group.

Not I.

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Wm... wrote:

> Let me put it this way, the delay is such that uk.rec.cycling seems to
> have forgotten about the proposed group.

Not forgotten.  As a Wikipedia admin I am well aware that there is no SLA on 
voluntary activity, however impatient the beneficiaries of that activity may 
be.
-- 
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In article <F$Jn2oYyujrKFw5Y@[127.0.0.1]>,
Wm...  wrote:
>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:19:14 <QMw*W04Qs@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> 
>uk.net.news.config Ian Jackson 
>>After a succession of missed estimates from the VT, I escalated this
>>to the Committee and UKVoting, last Monday lunchtime (the 7th).
>
>How far had the process been at the time of asking?

Last I heard (27th of August), it was still with the VT.

I've had an email today from UKVoting giving some more information and
a possible way forward, but I think I should let them make any
announcements.  I think a public statement of some kind - even an
unofficial one - by a member of the Committee or UKVoting would be
very helpful.

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On 14 Sep 2009 17:38:06 +0100 (BST), Ian Jackson
 wrote:

>In article <F$Jn2oYyujrKFw5Y@[127.0.0.1]>,
>Wm...  wrote:
>>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:19:14 <QMw*W04Qs@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> 
>>uk.net.news.config Ian Jackson 
>>>After a succession of missed estimates from the VT, I escalated this
>>>to the Committee and UKVoting, last Monday lunchtime (the 7th).
>>
>>How far had the process been at the time of asking?
>
>Last I heard (27th of August), it was still with the VT.
>
>I've had an email today from UKVoting giving some more information and
>a possible way forward, but I think I should let them make any
>announcements.  I think a public statement of some kind - even an
>unofficial one - by a member of the Committee or UKVoting would be
>very helpful.

I thought the whole venture was a mistake, almost from the start,
however well intentioned.

Tom Crispin wrote:

> I thought the whole venture was a mistake, almost from the start,
> however well intentioned.

So you said, at length.  I think you were wrong, as I also said at length.
-- 
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On 2009-09-14, Wm... wrote:

> Sun, 13 Sep 2009 16:14:42  
> uk.net.news.config Anthony R. Gold 

>>This vote closed 5 weeks ago.  When will RL allow this to be wrapped up?
>
> Let me put it this way, the delay is such that uk.rec.cycling seems to 
> have forgotten about the proposed group.

I haven't forgotten, but I don't want to badger the poor guy who has
to deal with the problems.

On 2009-09-14, Ian Jackson  wrote:
> I've had an email today from UKVoting giving some more information and
> a possible way forward, but I think I should let them make any
> announcements.  I think a public statement of some kind - even an
> unofficial one - by a member of the Committee or UKVoting would be
> very helpful.

What I told Ian was that we have not heard from Pedt for nearly a
month, although we are aware that he was ill during August. I have
made several efforts to contact him.

If he doesn't re-appear in the next couple of days then I will take
over the counting myself - the central UKVoting server has copies of
all the ballot emails so there will be no need to re-run the vote or
anything like that.

Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:53:59  
uk.net.news.config Adam Funk 

>On 2009-09-14, Wm... wrote:
>
>> Sun, 13 Sep 2009 16:14:42 
>> uk.net.news.config Anthony R. Gold 
>
>>>This vote closed 5 weeks ago.  When will RL allow this to be wrapped up?
>>
>> Let me put it this way, the delay is such that uk.rec.cycling seems to
>> have forgotten about the proposed group.
>
>I haven't forgotten, but I don't want to badger the poor guy who has
>to deal with the problems.

We each need to balance our wish for the result to be seen and care for 
other individuals.  So, if Pedt has problems we should take account of 
that, he is a volunteer, after all.

I guess the real problem is going to turn out to be JMS et al because 
most of us probably voted in good faith and only once and it chose to 
mess things up.  Do you (not you personally, Adam) think it is pleased 
with itself?

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Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:56:28 <slrnhatf0l.gjc.jon+usenet@snowy.squish.net> 
uk.net.news.config Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.co.uk>

>On 2009-09-14, Ian Jackson  wrote:
>> I've had an email today from UKVoting giving some more information and
>> a possible way forward, but I think I should let them make any
>> announcements.  I think a public statement of some kind - even an
>> unofficial one - by a member of the Committee or UKVoting would be
>> very helpful.
>
>What I told Ian was that we have not heard from Pedt for nearly a
>month, although we are aware that he was ill during August. I have
>made several efforts to contact him.
>
>If he doesn't re-appear in the next couple of days then I will take
>over the counting myself - the central UKVoting server has copies of
>all the ballot emails so there will be no need to re-run the vote or
>anything like that.

Yikes!  I do hope Pedt is OK

Pedt, if you get to read this, I think I am not alone in wishing you 
well.

Jon, thank you for the update.

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On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 23:22:35 +0100, "Wm..."
 wrote:

>Yikes!  I do hope Pedt is OK
>
>Pedt, if you get to read this, I think I am not alone in wishing you 
>well.
>
>Jon, thank you for the update.

Ditto X3

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 23:22:35 퍝, "Wm..."
 wrote:

>Yikes!  I do hope Pedt is OK
>Pedt, if you get to read this, I think I am not alone in wishing you 
>well.
>Jon, thank you for the update.

<aol />

Guy
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Jon Ribbens twisted the electrons to say:
> If he doesn't re-appear in the next couple of days then I will take
> over the counting myself - the central UKVoting server has copies of
> all the ballot emails so there will be no need to re-run the vote or
> anything like that.

Oh, I can see the conspiracy theory already.  It'll probably begin with
the idea that the committee wanted urcm created no matter what the actual
result was.  Presumably Pedt refused to bow to such presure when the
result was "clearly" going the other way, hence the need to "take over
the counting" from "copies of the ballot emails" ...  :-)

On a more serious note, I hope all is okay and Pedt resurfaces in the
near future.
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Let alone connected with my employer ...

Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:56:28 <slrnhatf0l.gjc.jon+usenet@snowy.squish.net> 
uk.net.news.config Jon Ribbens <jon+usenet@unequivocal.co.uk>

>On 2009-09-14, Ian Jackson  wrote:
>> I've had an email today from UKVoting giving some more information and
>> a possible way forward, but I think I should let them make any
>> announcements.  I think a public statement of some kind - even an
>> unofficial one - by a member of the Committee or UKVoting would be
>> very helpful.
>
>What I told Ian was that we have not heard from Pedt for nearly a
>month, although we are aware that he was ill during August. I have
>made several efforts to contact him.

Have you tried getting in touch with Pedt's partner?

I'm wary of doing this independently as Pedt and Tasha may just have 
chosen to take a break from usenet.  Odd timing, perhaps, but real life 
is still more important.

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On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 19:20:13 퍝, "Wm..."
 wrote:

>Have you tried getting in touch with Pedt's partner?
>I'm wary of doing this independently as Pedt and Tasha may just have 
>chosen to take a break from usenet.  Odd timing, perhaps, but real life 
>is still more important.

I'll ask the shed.

Guy
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On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:50:56 +0100, "Wm..."
 wrote:

>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 16:14:42  
>uk.net.news.config Anthony R. Gold 
>
>>On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:57:17 +0100, Pedt <"\"@
>>@\""@user-unknown.mx2.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> In message , at 18:46:27 on
>>> Wed, 19 Aug 2009, . m <nospam@notnominet.name.invalid> wibbled
>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:50:01 +0100, alan@darkroom.+.com (A.Lee) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As subject, is the count still ongoing?
>>>>
>>>> AIUI the VT will be diligently validating the voters and votes before
>>>> then sending the results for peer review within UKV.
>>>>
>>>> This process could take some time - especially given people also have
>>>> to diligently deal with Real Life[TM}  :-)
>>>>
>>> Spot on.
>>>
>>> RL is interesting when you're job hunting - interviews are like buses,
>>> nothing for ages then 6 come along at once.
>>
>>This vote closed 5 weeks ago.  When will RL allow this to be wrapped up?
>
>Let me put it this way, the delay is such that uk.rec.cycling seems to 
>have forgotten about the proposed group.


Need for it  - nil.

Dead in the water

-- 
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Killed or seriously injured:  Pedal Cyclists : 527    Pedestrians 371
All casualties:  Pedal Cyclists : 3494    Pedestrians : 1631
Which is more dangerous?

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:55:41 +0100, Tom Crispin
<kije.remove@this.bit.freeuk.com.munge> wrote:

>On 14 Sep 2009 17:38:06 +0100 (BST), Ian Jackson
> wrote:
>
>>In article <F$Jn2oYyujrKFw5Y@[127.0.0.1]>,
>>Wm...  wrote:
>>>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:19:14 <QMw*W04Qs@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk> 
>>>uk.net.news.config Ian Jackson 
>>>>After a succession of missed estimates from the VT, I escalated this
>>>>to the Committee and UKVoting, last Monday lunchtime (the 7th).
>>>
>>>How far had the process been at the time of asking?
>>
>>Last I heard (27th of August), it was still with the VT.
>>
>>I've had an email today from UKVoting giving some more information and
>>a possible way forward, but I think I should let them make any
>>announcements.  I think a public statement of some kind - even an
>>unofficial one - by a member of the Committee or UKVoting would be
>>very helpful.
>
>I thought the whole venture was a mistake, almost from the start,
>however well intentioned.


Indeed - perhaps there is a vote against and people are worried about
how to present this.

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The evidence from those countries where compulsory cycle helmet use has already been introduced is that such legislation has a beneficial effect on cycle-related deaths and head injuries.
This strongly supports the case for introducing legislation in the UK.  Such legislation should result in a reduction in the morbidity and mortality associated with cycling accidents.

Tue, 15 Sep 2009 23:51:53  
uk.net.news.config jms 

>Dead in the water

I hope you are wrong and that Pedt is alive.

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Tue, 15 Sep 2009 23:56:30  
uk.net.news.config jms 

TomC:
>>I thought the whole venture was a mistake, almost from the start,
>>however well intentioned.
>
>
>Indeed - perhaps there is a vote against and people are worried about
>how to present this.

If I was TomC I'd disassociate myself from JMS about now.

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On Sep 15, 6:56 am, Jon Ribbens  wrote:

> What I told Ian was that we have not heard from Pedt for nearly a
> month, although we are aware that he was ill during August. I have
> made several efforts to contact him.
>
> If he doesn't re-appear in the next couple of days then I will take
> over the counting myself - the central UKVoting server has copies of
> all the ballot emails so there will be no need to re-run the vote or
> anything like that.

Thank you. Irrespective of the reasons, if the appointed vote-taker
isn't doing his job, it's time for someone else to take over.

James

On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 01:16:19 +0100, "Wm..."
 wrote:

>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 23:56:30  
>uk.net.news.config jms 
>
>TomC:
>>>I thought the whole venture was a mistake, almost from the start,
>>>however well intentioned.
>>
>>
>>Indeed - perhaps there is a vote against and people are worried about
>>how to present this.
>
>If I was TomC I'd disassociate myself from JMS about now.

Why?

I think that it is perfectly clear to everyone that, while I might
share Judith's expressed views on some subjects (there is little
evidence that Judith's expressed views and actual views are the same),
I think that she is pitiful.

On Tue, 15 Sep 2009 23:55:47 퍝, "Wm..."
 wrote:

>I hope you are wrong and that Pedt is alive.

Apparently active elsewhere, according to the shed.

Guy
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On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 01:16:19 +0100, "Wm..."
 wrote:

>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 23:56:30  
>uk.net.news.config jms 
>
>TomC:
>>>I thought the whole venture was a mistake, almost from the start,
>>>however well intentioned.
>>
>>
>>Indeed - perhaps there is a vote against and people are worried about
>>how to present this.
>
>If I was TomC I'd disassociate myself from JMS about now.


Yes it really was an outrageous thing for me to say - wasn't it?

Care to explain why.

-- 
The BMA (British Medical Association) urges legislation to make the wearing of cycle helmets compulsory for both adults and children.

The evidence from those countries where compulsory cycle helmet use has already been introduced is that such legislation has a beneficial effect on cycle-related deaths and head injuries.
This strongly supports the case for introducing legislation in the UK.  Such legislation should result in a reduction in the morbidity and mortality associated with cycling accidents.

On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 06:17:40 +0100, Tom Crispin
<kije.remove@this.bit.freeuk.com.munge> wrote:

>On Wed, 16 Sep 2009 01:16:19 +0100, "Wm..."
> wrote:
>
>>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 23:56:30  
>>uk.net.news.config jms 
>>
>>TomC:
>>>>I thought the whole venture was a mistake, almost from the start,
>>>>however well intentioned.
>>>
>>>
>>>Indeed - perhaps there is a vote against and people are worried about
>>>how to present this.
>>
>>If I was TomC I'd disassociate myself from JMS about now.
>
>Why?
>
>I think that it is perfectly clear to everyone that, while I might
>share Judith's expressed views on some subjects (there is little
>evidence that Judith's expressed views and actual views are the same),
>I think that she is pitiful.


Indeed - the things I say here are almost as pitiful as riding through
red-lights and then bragging about it - particularly from someone with
moral responsibility like a school teacher.

-- 
The BMA (British Medical Association) urges legislation to make the wearing of cycle helmets compulsory for both adults and children.

The evidence from those countries where compulsory cycle helmet use has already been introduced is that such legislation has a beneficial effect on cycle-related deaths and head injuries.
This strongly supports the case for introducing legislation in the UK.  Such legislation should result in a reduction in the morbidity and mortality associated with cycling accidents.

On 2009-09-14, Wm... wrote:

> We each need to balance our wish for the result to be seen and care for 
> other individuals.  So, if Pedt has problems we should take account of 
> that, he is a volunteer, after all.

Absolutely!

> I guess the real problem is going to turn out to be JMS et al because 
> most of us probably voted in good faith and only once and it chose to 
> mess things up.  Do you (not you personally, Adam) think it is pleased 
> with itself?

Probably.

On 2009-09-14, Wm... wrote:

> Yikes!  I do hope Pedt is OK
>
> Pedt, if you get to read this, I think I am not alone in wishing you 
> well.
>
> Jon, thank you for the update.

Same from me.

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:56:28 -0500, Jon Ribbens
<jon+usenet@unequivocal.co.uk> wrote:

>On 2009-09-14, Ian Jackson  wrote:
>> I've had an email today from UKVoting giving some more information and
>> a possible way forward, but I think I should let them make any
>> announcements.  I think a public statement of some kind - even an
>> unofficial one - by a member of the Committee or UKVoting would be
>> very helpful.
>
>What I told Ian was that we have not heard from Pedt for nearly a
>month, although we are aware that he was ill during August. I have
>made several efforts to contact him.
>
>If he doesn't re-appear in the next couple of days then I will take
>over the counting myself - the central UKVoting server has copies of
>all the ballot emails so there will be no need to re-run the vote or
>anything like that.


Perhaps Ian jackson could take over the counting.
-- 
Latest DfT Figures: Passenger casualty rates by mode Per billion passenger kilometers:
Killed or seriously injured:  Pedal Cyclists : 527    Pedestrians 371
All casualties:  Pedal Cyclists : 3494    Pedestrians : 1631
Which is more dangerous?

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 23:07:43 +0100, "Wm...the lying fuckwit"
 wrote:

>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:53:59  
>uk.net.news.config Adam Funk 
>
>>On 2009-09-14, Wm... wrote:
>>
>>> Sun, 13 Sep 2009 16:14:42 
>>> uk.net.news.config Anthony R. Gold 
>>
>>>>This vote closed 5 weeks ago.  When will RL allow this to be wrapped up?
>>>
>>> Let me put it this way, the delay is such that uk.rec.cycling seems to
>>> have forgotten about the proposed group.
>>
>>I haven't forgotten, but I don't want to badger the poor guy who has
>>to deal with the problems.
>
>We each need to balance our wish for the result to be seen and care for 
>other individuals.  So, if Pedt has problems we should take account of 
>that, he is a volunteer, after all.
>
>I guess the real problem is going to turn out to be JMS et al because 
>most of us probably voted in good faith and only once and it chose to 
>mess things up.  Do you (not you personally, Adam) think it is pleased 
>with itself?


 what do you mean by JMS et al?


(Did you get Gab to vote this time? - or perhaps  you just voted again
on her behalf?)
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The evidence from those countries where compulsory cycle helmet use has already been introduced is that such legislation has a beneficial effect on cycle-related deaths and head injuries.
This strongly supports the case for introducing legislation in the UK.  Such legislation should result in a reduction in the morbidity and mortality associated with cycling accidents.

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:09:32 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
 wrote:

>Wm... wrote:
>
>> Let me put it this way, the delay is such that uk.rec.cycling seems to
>> have forgotten about the proposed group.
>
>Not forgotten.  As a Wikipedia admin................ 


How are you getting on with that these days.

Still getting your hands slapped on a regular basis because of being
unfair and biased?

Isn't that what prompted those nasty pages about you?

Do you have the url - I seem to have lost it.

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I encourage my children to wear helmets. (Guy Chapman)
I have never said that I encourage my children to wear helmets. (Guy 
Chapman)

On 14 Sep, 22:56, Jon Ribbens  wrote:
> On 2009-09-14, Ian Jackson  wrote:
>
> > I've had an email today from UKVoting giving some more information and
> > a possible way forward, but I think I should let them make any
> > announcements.  I think a public statement of some kind - even an
> > unofficial one - by a member of the Committee or UKVoting would be
> > very helpful.
>
> What I told Ian was that we have not heard from Pedt for nearly a
> month, although we are aware that he was ill during August. I have
> made several efforts to contact him.
>
> If he doesn't re-appear in the next couple of days then I will take
> over the counting myself - the central UKVoting server has copies of
> all the ballot emails so there will be no need to re-run the vote or
> anything like that.

Would it be possible to clarify the situation yet? Is Pedt OK (I hope
so!) and still doing the count, or is John Ribbens now doing it? And
is some realistic estimate of when the results might be announced
possible?

Rudi

On 2009-09-18, RudiL  wrote:
> Would it be possible to clarify the situation yet? Is Pedt OK (I hope
> so!) and still doing the count, or is John Ribbens now doing it? And
> is some realistic estimate of when the results might be announced
> possible?

Pedt still hasn't resurfaced, so I'm going to take over the count.
I expect to get draft results by the weekend, which would most
likely mean a published result early next week.

On 18 Sep, 14:36, Jon Ribbens <jon+use...@unequivocal.co.uk> wrote:
> On 2009-09-18, RudiL  wrote:
>
> > Would it be possible to clarify the situation yet? Is Pedt OK (I hope
> > so!) and still doing the count, or is John Ribbens now doing it? And
> > is some realistic estimate of when the results might be announced
> > possible?
>
> Pedt still hasn't resurfaced, so I'm going to take over the count.
> I expect to get draft results by the weekend, which would most
> likely mean a published result early next week.

Jon - thank you for the speedy clarification.

Rudi

On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 06:43:08 -0700 (PDT), RudiL 
wrote:

>On 18 Sep, 14:36, Jon Ribbens <jon+use...@unequivocal.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 2009-09-18, RudiL  wrote:
>>
>> > Would it be possible to clarify the situation yet? Is Pedt OK (I hope
>> > so!) and still doing the count, or is John Ribbens now doing it? And
>> > is some realistic estimate of when the results might be announced
>> > possible?
>>
>> Pedt still hasn't resurfaced, so I'm going to take over the count.
>> I expect to get draft results by the weekend, which would most
>> likely mean a published result early next week.
>
>Jon - thank you for the speedy clarification.

Is there a time limit on a result declaration after which the process
becomes null and void?

On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:28:53 +0100, Tom Crispin
<kije.remove@this.bit.freeuk.com.munge> wrote:

>On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 06:43:08 -0700 (PDT), RudiL 
>wrote:
>
>>On 18 Sep, 14:36, Jon Ribbens <jon+use...@unequivocal.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 2009-09-18, RudiL  wrote:
>>>
>>> > Would it be possible to clarify the situation yet? Is Pedt OK (I hope
>>> > so!) and still doing the count, or is John Ribbens now doing it? And
>>> > is some realistic estimate of when the results might be announced
>>> > possible?
>>>
>>> Pedt still hasn't resurfaced, so I'm going to take over the count.
>>> I expect to get draft results by the weekend, which would most
>>> likely mean a published result early next week.
>>
>>Jon - thank you for the speedy clarification.
>
>Is there a time limit on a result declaration after which the process
>becomes null and void?

I must admit it is so like a third world country vote - I wonder if
the result will be as accurate as they usually are?

I assume that the vote counter will resign.

I can understand that he may have some other matters which prohibit
him from completing his task.

However, it is down right rude and unacceptable to not explain what is
happening.

-- 
The BMA (British Medical Association) urges legislation to make the wearing of cycle helmets compulsory for both adults and children.

The evidence from those countries where compulsory cycle helmet use has already been introduced is that such legislation has a beneficial effect on cycle-related deaths and head injuries.
This strongly supports the case for introducing legislation in the UK.  Such legislation should result in a reduction in the morbidity and mortality associated with cycling accidents.

On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:28:53 +0100, Tom Crispin
<kije.remove@this.bit.freeuk.com.munge> wrote:

>Is there a time limit on a result declaration after which the process
>becomes null and void?

No.  Whatever the case, I do know Jon mentioned that there had been a
very high turnout so even in the pressing world of netnews, the result
will be delivered when it is ready.

On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:28:53 +0100, Tom Crispin put finger to keyboard
and typed:

>On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 06:43:08 -0700 (PDT), RudiL 
>wrote:
>
>>On 18 Sep, 14:36, Jon Ribbens <jon+use...@unequivocal.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 2009-09-18, RudiL  wrote:
>>>
>>> > Would it be possible to clarify the situation yet? Is Pedt OK (I hope
>>> > so!) and still doing the count, or is John Ribbens now doing it? And
>>> > is some realistic estimate of when the results might be announced
>>> > possible?
>>>
>>> Pedt still hasn't resurfaced, so I'm going to take over the count.
>>> I expect to get draft results by the weekend, which would most
>>> likely mean a published result early next week.
>>
>>Jon - thank you for the speedy clarification.
>
>Is there a time limit on a result declaration after which the process
>becomes null and void?

No.

Mark
-- 
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Stuff: http://www.good-stuff.co.uk

Tom Crispin wrote:

> I think that it is perfectly clear to everyone that, while I might
> share Judith's expressed views on some subjects (there is little
> evidence that Judith's expressed views and actual views are the same),
> I think that she is pitiful.

Most of us would not bother referencing a stopped clock twice a day.
-- 
Guy

On Mon, 5 Oct 2009 19:18:28 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
 wrote:

>Tom Crispin wrote:
>
>> I think that it is perfectly clear to everyone that, while I might
>> share Judith's expressed views on some subjects (there is little
>> evidence that Judith's expressed views and actual views are the same),
>> I think that she is pitiful.
>
>Most of us would not bother referencing a stopped clock twice a day.


Most of us do not believe the words of a liar.

--          

I have never said that I encourage my children to wear helmets.
I would challenge judith to find the place where I said I encourage my children to wear helmets.
I encourage my children to wear helmets. (Guy Chapman)

jms wrote:
>>> I think that it is perfectly clear to everyone that, while I might
>>> share Judith's expressed views on some subjects (there is little
>>> evidence that Judith's expressed views and actual views are the
>>> same), I think that she is pitiful.
>> Most of us would not bother referencing a stopped clock twice a day.
> Most of us do not believe the words of a liar.

That's another reason to ignore you, true enough.
-- 
Guy