On Jun 23, 5:33 pm, "Dr. Barry Worthington" 
wrote:

> > Ah, that explians your Euro-federalism. It usually has
> > anti-Americanism at its heart.
>
> I am in favour of EU federalism because I am a European (in addition
> to being English and a Northcountryman) and, in a globalised world
> developing into new power blocs, I can really see nowhere else for us
> to go. If by anti-Americanism, you mean that I look with disfavour
> upon American corporate policy, neo-conservativism, and the Washington
> Consensus, you may be right.

One of the things that these people lack is a sense of history.

If they didn't they would realise the difficulty in making comparisons
between the US and what they see as a European equivalent is that the
evolution of the US followed very different lines to the evolution of
central Europe.

The US was founded on the original 13 colonies as is symbolised by the
13 stripes on the US flag. The other 37 emerged as territories
sustained towards statehood by the existing states. Before the
territories there was nothing but wilderness (on the western frontier
at least)

Even then the final federal structure could only be finally
established through a bloody and divisive civil war despite which the
USA has become immensly successful as a federal state.

Not so Europe! a hotchpot of existing states, some ancient, some
relatively modern, some federalised some not. All with estblished
systems of government, national political parties, national languages,
national cultures, differing codes of law and of justice and so on.

A Federal Europe which despite all protestations to the contrary is
the real agenda can only be put together through stealth, dishonesty
or force. The peoples as a whole will never embrace it and already
whenever askes the question have turned away from the concept.

The crunch will come when one section of Europe's peoples say "no" and
mean it!