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                    2ND REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the following changes
in the uk.* Usenet hierarchy:

           rename unmoderated newsgroup uk.games.video.gamecube
                          as uk.games.video.nintendo

Changes from previous RFD:

* a few typos corrected
* focus of group is on Nintendo *home* consoles
* removed section about 'long reviews or solutions'
* slight rewording of the section on copyright infringement and cut'n'paste
* change to crossposting (as suggested by Steve J)

Newsgroup line:
uk.games.video.nintendo	UK-based discussion about Nintendo videogames consoles


      *** ALL DISCUSSION MUST TAKE PLACE IN UK.NET.NEWS.CONFIG ***
      *** CROSSPOSTED TO UK.GAMES.VIDEO.GAMECUBE ***

This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.
Further procedural details are given below.

RATIONALE: uk.games.video.nintendo

The uk.games.video.* heirarchy currently comprises the following groups:

GENERAL GROUPS
* uk.games.video.misc
* uk.games.video.handheld

SPECIFIC GROUPS
* uk.games.video.dreamcast
* uk.games.video.gameboy
* uk.games.video.gamecube
* uk.games.video.playstation (also uk.games.video.playstation.forsale)
* uk.games.video.xbox

This RFD concerns the future of uk.games.video.gamecube (ugvgc).  Within
the next couple of years, all three videogames console manufacturers
will be releasing their new systems.  Sony will release the Playstation
3 - this will fit into uk.games.video.playstation.  Microsoft will
release the Xbox 360 - this will fit into uk.games.video.xbox.
Nintendo will release the Nintendo Revolution - this will not fit into
any existing group, and discussion has so far been fragmented between
uk.games.video.misc, ugvgc, and all other groups in the heirarchy.
Furtermore, discussion relating to the Nintendo Gamecube is also slowly
diminishing.

I propose replacing ugvgc with uk.games.video.nintendo.  My reasoning is
this: Playstation and Xbox are the gaming 'brands' of Sony and Microsoft
respectively.  As such, their gaming hardware bears the Playstation and
Xbox names.  Nintendo do not have a separate brand - their gaming brand
is effectively "Nintendo".  This group would therefore cover the
Nintendo Gamecube and the Nintendo Revolution, but also the Nintendo
64, and all other videogames consoles produced by Nintendo (and their
games).

As I see it, the renaming process would go as follows:
- - - Once passed through fast-track or voting, ugvn is created.
- - - The charter of ugvgc is changed to state that the group will be
closing, and all discussion should take place in ugvn.
- - - Possibly, an autoresponder is set up to reply to any new thread/post
in ugvgc with details of ugvn.
- - - After one month, ugvgc is rmgrouped.

Finally, there will be some overlap between uk.games.video.nintendo and
uk.games.video.handheld.  While either group is suitable for this 
discussion, concensus appears to be that ugvh is the better place for
it, and so a pointer has been placed in the charter.  A similar issue
exists with the PSP and uk.games.video.playstation, but there has been
no problem with posts being posted in off-topic groups because of this.


CHARTER: uk.games.video.nintendo

This group is for the discussion of Nintendo home consoles and their games
and peripherals.

Posters are advised that a separate group, uk.games.video.handheld, is
more suited for discussion related to Nintendo's range of portable
games systems.

Links or pointers to UK focused websites relating to Nintendo consoles
are welcome, but must not be repeated more than once a month.
Duplication of copyrighted material from websites or other sources is
forbidden, with the exception of duplication of an excerpt from the
source material for discussion purposes only, in accordance with the
doctrine of "fair use" in copyright law. Such duplication must be
accompanied by some commentary by the user of these passages promoting
debate, and the original source credited.

Reviews, hints, tips and cheats are welcome, however spoilers should be
protected with spoiler space of between 20 and 25 lines.

Discussions about piracy, 'warez', 'backups' or other such activities
are forbidden. Discussion of copying or emulating games which are
commercially available is forbidden.  Discussions about the morality
and legality of such actions tend to become quickly inflammatory, and
should be avoided.

Cross-Posting

Cross-posting in general is discouraged.  Posts relating to connectivity
between Nintendo consoles and other game systems is allowed within the
uk.games.video.* hierarchy.  Posts relating to multiformat games are
best posted to uk.games.video.misc and not crossposted between
format-specific groups.

Cross-posting to newsgroups outside of the uk.games.video.* hierarchy is
forbidden as it may invite postings which do not conform to
this charter.

Advertising

Advertising (which includes wanted adverts and game trade lists) is
forbidden, with these exceptions:
* Adverts of no more than four lines, which are part of the poster's
regular signature, and which are not the main reason for the post, are
allowed.
* Owners of web sites with information relevant to the newsgroup may
post, not more than once every 3 months, an advert for their site,
providing that the site is not used to sell, nor advertise for sale,
any goods or services. The site may contain "banner"-style adverts if
it is beyond the control of the site's owner to remove them.

Binaries & Formatting

Encoded binaries (e.g. pictures, compressed files, etc.) are forbidden.
Such material belongs on a web or FTP site to which a pointer may be
posted. Cryptographic signatures (e.g. PGP) may be used where
authentication is important and should be as short as possible.

Posts must be readable as plain text. HTML, RTF and similarly formatted
messages are prohibited. To see how to make some common newsreaders
comply with this, read <http://www.usenet.org.uk/ukpost.html>.

Warning. Anyone posting contrary to this charter may be reported to
their "postmaster" and/or Service Provider.

END CHARTER

Existing Charter uk.games.video.gamecube

This group is for the discussion of the Nintendo GameCube and its games
and peripherals. 
Links or pointers to UK focused web sites relating to the GameCube are
welcome, but should not be repeated more than once a month. 

Reviews, hints, tips and cheats are welcome, however spoilers should be
protected with spoiler space of between 20 and 25 lines. Long reviews
or solutions (100 lines or more) should be placed on a web page, and
their URLs posted. 

Discussions related to piracy are strongly discouraged as they tend to
quickly become inflammatory and should be avoided. 

Cross-Posting

Cross-posting in general is discouraged. Posts relating to the
connectivity between the GameCube and other game systems is allowed
within the uk.games.video.* hierarchy. Cross-posting to newsgroups
outside of the uk.games.video.* hierarchy is strongly discouraged as it
may invite postings which do not conform to this charter. 

Advertising

Advertising is forbidden, with these exceptions: 
Suppliers of goods and services relevant to the Nintendo GameCube in the
UK may post an invitation to visit their web site or request details.
No more than 1 post per organisation/person per month and post headers
MUST be marked "FA: " (For Auction) or "FS: " (For Sale). Such adverts
should be limited to 5 lines in length. 

Binaries & Formatting

Encoded binaries (e.g. pictures, compressed files, etc.) are forbidden.
Such material belongs on a web or FTP site to which a pointer may be
posted. Cryptographic signatures (e.g. PGP) may be used where
authentication is important and should be as short as possible. 

Posts must be readable as plain text. HTML, RTF and similarly formatted
messages are prohibited. To see how to make some common newsreaders
comply with this, read <http://www.usenet.org.uk/ukpost.html>. 

Warning
Anyone posting contrary to this charter may be reported to their
"postmaster" and/or Service Provider. 

End Existing Charter


PROCEDURE:

This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes.  In this phase of
the process, any potential problems with the proposal should be raised
and resolved.  The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 10
days, starting from when this RFD is posted to uk.net.news.announce
(i.e. until January 29th) after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be
posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it.
Alternatively, the proposal may proceed by the fast-track method.  Please
do not attempt to vote until this happens.

This RFD attempts to comply fully with the "Guidelines for Group Creation
within the UK Hierarchy" as published regularly in uk.net.news.announce
and is available from http://www.usenet.org.uk/guidelines.html (the UK
Usenet website).  Please refer to this document if you have any questions
about the process.

DISTRIBUTION:

This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:
        uk.net.news.announce
        uk.net.news.config
        uk.games.video.misc
        uk.games.video.gamecube

Proponent:
        Tim Miller 

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