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                    2ND REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the following changes
in the uk.* Usenet hierarchy:

         remove moderated newsgroup uk.local.yorkshire.moderated

Newsgroup line:
uk.local.yorkshire.moderated


      *** ALL DISCUSSION MUST TAKE PLACE IN UK.NET.NEWS.CONFIG ***

This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.
Further procedural details are given below.

RATIONALE: remove uk.local.yorkshire.moderated

The group is broken - the moderation bot is buggy, there is no useful
discussion going on there, and any sensible post is immediately met by
trolling and insults.

CURRENT CHARTER: uk.local.yorkshire.moderated

(Moderated)

uk.local.yorkshire.moderated is a place for all those interested in
Yorkshire to discuss matters with a Yorkshire relevance and the world
from a Yorkshire perspective. It is also a place for people to seek
information from those who live in the county, for example someone
moving to a town may ask for advice as to the best areas to live or
someone visiting the region the best attractions, accommodation or
hostelries.

uk.local.yorkshire.moderated is a discussion group, all articles not
intended for discussion, such as advertisements with a Yorkshire
relevance and announcements of forthcoming events, other than
announcements relating directly to this newsgroup itself, must be posted
to the newsgroup uk.local.yorkshire.noticeboard and not here.

Cross-posting to more than four groups is not allowed. Cross-posting to
more than one group outside the uk.* hierarchy is not allowed.

This is a moderated group and the moderators may impose and remove
further restrictions at their discretion should they deem it necessary
for the efficient functioning of the group, provided they comply with
the group moderation policy.

Advertising is forbidden.
Binaries & Formatting
Encoded binaries (e.g. pictures, compressed files, etc.) are forbidden.
Such material belongs on a web or FTP site to which a pointer may be
posted. Posts must be readable as plain text. HTML, RTF and similarly
formatted messages may be rejected by the moderators. To see how to make
some common newsreaders comply with this, please read
<http://www.usenet.org.uk/ukpost.html>.

Messages posted to this newsgroup must not be cross-posted to more than
a TOTAL of four uk.local.* newsgroups; these may be geographically
adjacent or overlapping, or connected by the subject of the post (e.g.
"moving house from Manchester to York").
Moderation Procedure
The aim of the moderators is to provide a forum for the discussion of
Yorkshire related matters as free as possible from abuses of usenet
without limiting freedom of speech.

The moderators may use the moderation software to control or block:

    * Articles cross-posted to other groups.
    * Articles which they consider do not carry adequate trace information.
    * Message floods.
    * Articles of excessive length.
    * Articles with a content type other than plain text.

They may:

    * Place limits on the number of groups which may be cross-posted to.
    * Limit the groups or hierarchies which may be cross-posted to.
    * Limit the groups or hierarchies which followups may be set to.
    * Block any articles which are not either the start of a new thread
      or a follow-up to a recent article posted to the group.
    * Limit the number of articles from one source posted at one time
      or in a given time.
    * Block articles from or via anonymous remailers, subscription
      newsservers which offer anonymity to their subscribers or which
      the moderators consider do not have or do not enforce an adequate
      Acceptable User Policy, what the moderators believe to be open
      servers, servers on ISPs which the moderators believe are being
      used for a throwaway account solely for the purpose of committing
      abuses of the internet.
    * Block articles with an excessive line or byte count.
    * Block articles which have a content type other than plain text or
      have a mixed content type.
    * Cancel any article which has been posted by bypassing the
      moderation procedure.

Provided that:

    * No article shall be rejected based on the content of the body of
      the article.
    * All rules applied shall apply to all posters equally, there will
      be no blacklisting or whitelisting of individuals.
    * No poster shall be prevented from posting via their usual
      Internet Access Provider's newsserver.

Moderation Info
The current moderators are:

    * Bigegg (Chief Moderator) <ulym(at)hardboiled.plus.com>
    * hannah d. <hannah(at)comp.leeds.ac.uk>

Moderation submission address

    uk-local-yorkshire-moderated@usenet.org.uk

Moderator contact address

    uk-local-yorkshire-moderated-request@usenet.org.uk

END CHARTER

PROCEDURE:

This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes.  In this phase of
the process, any potential problems with the proposal should be raised
and resolved.  The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 10
days, starting from when this RFD is posted to uk.net.news.announce
(i.e. until February 23rd) after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be
posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it.
Alternatively, the proposal may proceed by the fast-track method.  Please
do not attempt to vote until this happens.

This RFD attempts to comply fully with the "Guidelines for Group Creation
within the UK Hierarchy" as published regularly in uk.net.news.announce
and is available from http://www.usenet.org.uk/guidelines.html (the UK
Usenet website).  Please refer to this document if you have any questions
about the process.

DISTRIBUTION:

This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:
        uk.net.news.announce
        uk.net.news.config
        uk.local.yorkshire.moderated

Proponent:
        Hannah Dee <hannah(at)comp.leeds.ac.uk.invalid>
        Nev Young <nevilley(at)nevilley.demon.co.uk>

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On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:11:18 +0000, hannah@comp.leeds.ac.uk wrote:

|2ND REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)

Pathetic.

On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:05:53 +0000, Ebb Chernobyl wrote:

> On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:11:18 +0000, hannah@comp.leeds.ac.uk wrote:
> 
>|2ND REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
> 
> Pathetic.

Ahhhemm!!

Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:14:43  
uk.net.news.config paul 

>On Sat, 21 Feb 2009 11:39 Rusty_Hinge 
>wrote:
>
>>The message 
>>from Owen Rees  contains these words:
>>> On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:11:18 +0000, hannah@comp.leeds.ac.uk wrote in
>><rfd2-uk.local.yorkshire.moderated-remove-20090212121118$658f@gradwell.net>:
>>
>>> >         remove moderated newsgroup uk.local.yorkshire.moderated
>>
>>> I support the removal.
>>
>>I don't support the removal, but I don't oppose it.
>
>Given the moderators' earlier posts that'd be more or less my view too.

Are we sure who the moderators are?

I think the uncertainty lends towards removal.

-- 
Wm...
Reply-To: address valid for at least 7 days

Wm... wrote:
> Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:14:43 
> uk.net.news.config paul 

>> Given the moderators' earlier posts that'd be more or less my view too.
> 
> Are we sure who the moderators are?
> 
> I think the uncertainty lends towards removal.
> 

There are two moderators.

Myself
King Queen

And the modbot, written by {R}

-- 
BigEgg

On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:11:18 +0000, hannah@comp.leeds.ac.uk wrote in
<rfd2-uk.local.yorkshire.moderated-remove-20090212121118$658f@gradwell.net>:

>         remove moderated newsgroup uk.local.yorkshire.moderated

I support the removal.

-- 
Owen Rees
[one of] my preferred email address[es] and more stuff can be
found at <http://www.users.waitrose.com/~owenrees/index.html>

The message 
from Owen Rees  contains these words:
> On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:11:18 +0000, hannah@comp.leeds.ac.uk wrote in
> <rfd2-uk.local.yorkshire.moderated-remove-20090212121118$658f@gradwell.net>:

> >         remove moderated newsgroup uk.local.yorkshire.moderated

> I support the removal.

I don't support the removal, but I don't oppose it.

-- 
Rusty
Direct reply to: horrid dot squeak snailything zetnet point co period uk
Separator in search of a sig

On Sat, 21 Feb 2009 11:39 Rusty_Hinge 
wrote:

>The message 
>from Owen Rees  contains these words:
>> On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:11:18 +0000, hannah@comp.leeds.ac.uk wrote in
><rfd2-uk.local.yorkshire.moderated-remove-20090212121118$658f@gradwell.net>:
>
>> >         remove moderated newsgroup uk.local.yorkshire.moderated
>
>> I support the removal.
>
>I don't support the removal, but I don't oppose it.

Given the moderators' earlier posts that'd be more or less my view too.

-- 
 paul                                                (C) © 2009 is mine