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Administrative note:

This RFD was incorrectly issued with the title "create unmoderated
newsgroup uk.business.accountancy" -- since that group already exists,
creating it would be a little silly, what was actually requested was to
amend the charter.  This message supersedes the incorrect one.


                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the following changes
in the uk.* Usenet hierarchy:

    amend the charter of unmoderated newsgroup uk.business.accountancy

Newsgroup line:
uk.business.accountancy	UK accounting, auditing and taxation


      *** ALL DISCUSSION MUST TAKE PLACE IN UK.NET.NEWS.CONFIG ***

This is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.
Further procedural details are given below.

RATIONALE: uk.business.accountancy

When uk.business.accountancy was created, the charter included a list
of various categories of postings that were considered "not
appropriate". Most of these (advertising, binaries) follow the normal
conventions for uk.* groups, however experience has suggested that two
presently 'inappropriate' categories of postings could either be
modified or removed from this list.

The first is "Discussion of implementation/usage of computers or
accounting software". This has been interpreted as barring any
discussion on, for example, questions such as "should I use a pen and
paper, Excel or Sage for my accounts?" or "What nominal ledger code do
I allocate this purchase to in Sage?". While detailed questions about
accountancy software may better be dealt with by vendor-specific
forums, it is felt by the majority of posters to the group that it
would be preferable to remove the present charter restriction and to
allow accountancy software-related questions.

The second category is discussion of 'foreign' tax or company
legislation, which has been construed as proscribing discussion on,
for example, EU business/accountancy directives/legislation, or
Intrastat declaration requirements. In this case, amendments to the
present charter are proposed to clear up the apparent ambiguity.


PRESENT CHARTER: uk.business.accountancy

This group is for the discussion of the theory and application of UK
accounting, auditing, taxation and other technical issues faced by
accountants in practice or business. Primarily this means

    * UK Accounting Standards;
    * Auditing Guidelines;
    * Company legislation;
    * UK taxation;
    * Specific accountancy body pronouncements, including consultation
      and discussion papers;

together with practical matters relating to the running of a
professional accountancy practice.

This list is not meant to be exhaustive. For example, discussion of US
and International accounting standards and other international matters
are relevant to the extent that they affect businesses in the UK.

However the following are not appropriate in this group:

    * Discussion of specific foreign tax or company legislation;
    * Discussion of implementation/usage of computers or accounting
      software;
    * Discussion of personal financial matters;
    * Discussion of matters relating to insolvency practices;
    * Advertising (including job advertisements);
    * Binaries (apart from PGP signatures only).

Cross-posting between uk.business.accountancy and any other newsgroup
shall generally be discouraged unless a serious discussion on a
particular topic between the circulation of those groups is warranted.

END PRESENT CHARTER

PROPOSED CHARTER: uk.business.accountancy

This group is for the discussion of the theory and application of UK
accounting, auditing, taxation and other technical issues faced by
accountants in practice or business. Primarily this means

    * UK Accounting Standards;
    * Auditing Guidelines;
    * Company legislation;
    * UK taxation;
    * Specific accountancy body pronouncements, including consultation
      and discussion papers;

together with practical matters relating to the running of a
professional accountancy practice.

This list is not meant to be exhaustive. For example, discussion of EU
directives and legislation, US and International accounting standards
and other international matters are relevant to the extent that they
affect businesses in the UK.

However the following are not appropriate in this group:

    * Discussion of specific foreign tax or company legislation unrelated
      to businesses based in, or trading in, the UK;
    * Discussion of personal financial matters;
    * Discussion of matters relating to insolvency practices;
    * Advertising (including job advertisements);
    * Binaries (apart from PGP signatures only).

Cross-posting between uk.business.accountancy and any other newsgroup
shall generally be discouraged unless a serious discussion on a
particular topic between the circulation of those groups is warranted.

END PROPOSED CHARTER

PROCEDURE:

This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes.  In this phase of
the process, any potential problems with the proposal should be raised
and resolved.  The discussion period will continue for a minimum of 10
days, starting from when this RFD is posted to uk.net.news.announce
(i.e. until February 5th) after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be
posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion warrants it.
Alternatively, the proposal may proceed by the fast-track method.  Please
do not attempt to vote until this happens.

This RFD attempts to comply fully with the "Guidelines for Group Creation
within the UK Hierarchy" as published regularly in uk.net.news.announce
and is available from http://www.usenet.org.uk/guidelines.html (the UK
Usenet website).  Please refer to this document if you have any questions
about the process.

DISTRIBUTION:

This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:
        uk.net.news.announce
        uk.net.news.config
        uk.business.accountancy

Proponent:
        Dave Hillam 

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