OK, so I only got it this morning, but can someone please tell me how to 
make frame-accurate edits on a Humax PVR-9200TB?  I thought these machines 
were supposed to be the dog's doodas but I can't see how it's done.  I go 
into the recorded Program list (or the Playlist), find the program I want to 
edit and press the yellow button.  I select Trim in the box that pops up. 
After that I'm lost.  All I can do is move the slider backwards and forwards 
using the cursor keys.  None of the transport keys work except Pause. I can 
select an area using the cursor keys and the Record and Stop keys, and I can 
delete this section.  Honestly, though, it's like performing surgery 
blindfold.  You have no idea what exactly you've chopped out until you play 
it back.  And what a messy edit! At the point where it's chopped I get macro 
blocking and audio artifacts for quite a few seconds - not at all the clean 
edit I'd expect.

Please: tell me it isn't this crap.  I bought it for the flexibility that 
the twin tuners offer but the way things stand I'm going to have to keep my 
DVD recorder, real-time dub from the Humax to that and edit everything on 
the old machine.

Sort of feeling like I've wasted my money at this stage...

"Rojo Habe"  wrote...
> OK, so I only got it this morning, but can someone please tell me how 
> to make frame-accurate edits on a Humax PVR-9200TB?  I thought these 
> machines were supposed to be the dog's doodas but I can't see how it's 
> done.  I go into the recorded Program list (or the Playlist), find the 
> program I want to edit and press the yellow button.  I select Trim in 
> the box that pops up. After that I'm lost.  All I can do is move the 
> slider backwards and forwards using the cursor keys.  None of the 
> transport keys work except Pause. I can select an area using the 
> cursor keys and the Record and Stop keys, and I can delete this 
> section.  Honestly, though, it's like performing surgery blindfold. 
> You have no idea what exactly you've chopped out until you play it 
> back.  And what a messy edit! At the point where it's chopped I get 
> macro blocking and audio artifacts for quite a few seconds - not at 
> all the clean edit I'd expect.
>
> Please: tell me it isn't this crap.  I bought it for the flexibility 
> that the twin tuners offer but the way things stand I'm going to have 
> to keep my DVD recorder, real-time dub from the Humax to that and edit 
> everything on the old machine.
>
> Sort of feeling like I've wasted my money at this stage...

It's not possible to make frame-accurate edits on PVRs which record the 
transport stream in compressed form, as the Humax does;  this is down to 
the way that MPEG compression works.

If you dub to a DVD recorder you're converting to analog and losing the 
benefits of compressed storage;  the penalty you pay for frame-accurate 
compression is DVDs which can only store about an hour's video at 
broadcast quality.

To get the best of both worlds, use the Humax's usb linker to copy your 
compressed recordings to a PC, then use a video editor like VideoReDo to 
perform frame-accurate editing whilst preserving the compression, and 
then a tool like DVDAuthor to make compressed DVDs with at least 4 hours 
video at the same quality as your original recording.

Matti

Matti Lamprhey wrote:

> It's not possible to make frame-accurate edits on PVRs which record the 
> transport stream in compressed form, as the Humax does;  this is down to 
> the way that MPEG compression works.

Exactly. It's unlikely you'll manage anything better than 12 frame accuracy.

-- 
Mark
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"Rojo Habe"  wrote in message 
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> OK, so I only got it this morning, but can someone please tell me how to 
> make frame-accurate edits on a Humax PVR-9200TB?  I thought these machines 
> were supposed to be the dog's doodas but I can't see how it's done.  I go 
> into the recorded Program list (or the Playlist), find the program I want 
> to edit and press the yellow button.  I select Trim in the box that pops 
> up. After that I'm lost.  All I can do is move the slider backwards and 
> forwards using the cursor keys.  None of the transport keys work except 
> Pause. I can select an area using the cursor keys and the Record and Stop 
> keys, and I can delete this section.  Honestly, though, it's like 
> performing surgery blindfold.  You have no idea what exactly you've 
> chopped out until you play it back.  And what a messy edit! At the point 
> where it's chopped I get macro blocking and audio artifacts for quite a 
> few seconds - not at all the clean edit I'd expect.
>
> Please: tell me it isn't this crap.  I bought it for the flexibility that 
> the twin tuners offer but the way things stand I'm going to have to keep 
> my DVD recorder, real-time dub from the Humax to that and edit everything 
> on the old machine.
>
> Sort of feeling like I've wasted my money at this stage...





mpeg2 broadcasts are not encoded as separate frames -  so it's just not 
possible to do what you ask.



-- 
Gareth.

That fly... is your magic wand.
http://www.last.fm/user/dsbmusic/

"Matti Lamprhey"  wrote in message 
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> It's not possible to make frame-accurate edits on PVRs which record the 
> transport stream in compressed form, as the Humax does;  this is down to 
> the way that MPEG compression works.
>

I take your point and understand now, although DVD recorders also use MPEG 
so I suspect this is only half the story.  It's due to the fact that it's 
taking it straight from the transport stream as a digital copy, rather than 
encoding it itself, am I right?

Makes you wonder why they include it as a feature, really.  If they're going 
to have it, they could at least have the footage follow the cursor so that 
if you wanted to make a rough chop you'd have some idea where you were. 
They'll let you pause it: if you could use that in conjunction with the 
SloMo button that might be something.

> If you dub to a DVD recorder you're converting to analog and losing the 
> benefits of compressed storage;  the penalty you pay for frame-accurate 
> compression is DVDs which can only store about an hour's video at 
> broadcast quality.

Yep, I was aware of that when I bought it, and willing to live with it, 
although due to the low quality of digital TV in general, the A/D/A 
conversion can in some cases smooth over the cracks a little!

>
> To get the best of both worlds, use the Humax's usb linker to copy your 
> compressed recordings to a PC, then use a video editor like VideoReDo to 
> perform frame-accurate editing whilst preserving the compression, and then 
> a tool like DVDAuthor to make compressed DVDs with at least 4 hours video 
> at the same quality as your original recording.
>
> Matti
>

Funnily enough, as I read your post I was in the process of doing just that: 
waiting for my laptop to finish downloading a film so I could transfer it 
over WiFi to my desktop PC (in the wrong room for a direct USB connection) 
so that I could have a play.

Something tells me Windows Movie Maker won't be able to read the file 
though...  Anyone recommend any good open source editors I can play with 
till I get used to it? Or until I can decide whether it's worth the bother? 
It's a bit of a palaver just to chop out some adverts.  Probably easier to 
just hit the ad skip button half a dozen times.

Many thanks for your comments.  I hope I don't sound ungrateful.  It's come 
as a bit of a shock, that's all.  After hearing so much glowing praise for 
the thing I didn't expect it to be so basic.

Is Sky Plus like this?

"Rojo Habe"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Matti Lamprhey"  wrote in message 
> news:5mpnecFel7toU1@mid.individual.net...
>
>> It's not possible to make frame-accurate edits on PVRs which record the 
>> transport stream in compressed form, as the Humax does;  this is down to 
>> the way that MPEG compression works.
>>
>
> I take your point and understand now, although DVD recorders also use MPEG 
> so I suspect this is only half the story.  It's due to the fact that it's 
> taking it straight from the transport stream as a digital copy, rather 
> than encoding it itself, am I right?
>
> Makes you wonder why they include it as a feature, really.  If they're 
> going to have it, they could at least have the footage follow the cursor 
> so that if you wanted to make a rough chop you'd have some idea where you 
> were. They'll let you pause it: if you could use that in conjunction with 
> the SloMo button that might be something.
>
>> If you dub to a DVD recorder you're converting to analog and losing the 
>> benefits of compressed storage;  the penalty you pay for frame-accurate 
>> compression is DVDs which can only store about an hour's video at 
>> broadcast quality.
>
> Yep, I was aware of that when I bought it, and willing to live with it, 
> although due to the low quality of digital TV in general, the A/D/A 
> conversion can in some cases smooth over the cracks a little!
>
>>
>> To get the best of both worlds, use the Humax's usb linker to copy your 
>> compressed recordings to a PC, then use a video editor like VideoReDo to 
>> perform frame-accurate editing whilst preserving the compression, and 
>> then a tool like DVDAuthor to make compressed DVDs with at least 4 hours 
>> video at the same quality as your original recording.
>>
>> Matti
>>
>
> Funnily enough, as I read your post I was in the process of doing just 
> that: waiting for my laptop to finish downloading a film so I could 
> transfer it over WiFi to my desktop PC (in the wrong room for a direct USB 
> connection) so that I could have a play.
>

<http://www.videohelp.com/tools/HDTVtoMPEG2>

Allows file conversion and basic editing which I then burn to a DVD with 
Nero with excellent results. I have recently found that simply changing 
the.ts file extension to .mpg allows it to be played with the Nero player, 
seemingly without any problems, although as yet I haven't tried importing 
them directly and seeing if Nero burns a DVD with them.


<http://www.videolan.org/>





> Something tells me Windows Movie Maker won't be able to read the file 
> though...  Anyone recommend any good open source editors I can play with 
> till I get used to it? Or until I can decide whether it's worth the 
> bother? It's a bit of a palaver just to chop out some adverts.  Probably 
> easier to just hit the ad skip button half a dozen times.
>
> Many thanks for your comments.  I hope I don't sound ungrateful.  It's 
> come as a bit of a shock, that's all.  After hearing so much glowing 
> praise for the thing I didn't expect it to be so basic.
>
> Is Sky Plus like this?

"Ivan" <ivan'H'older@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message 
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>
>>
>
> <http://www.videohelp.com/tools/HDTVtoMPEG2>
>
> Allows file conversion and basic editing which I then burn to a DVD with 
> Nero with excellent results. I have recently found that simply changing 
> the.ts file extension to .mpg allows it to be played with the Nero player, 
> seemingly without any problems, although as yet I haven't tried importing 
> them directly and seeing if Nero burns a DVD with them.
>
>
> <http://www.videolan.org/>
>
>
Thanks Ivan.

I already use VLC for playing QuickTime files, or anything else WMP doesn't 
like.  HDTVtoMPEG was one of the first things that came up in Google, so 
I'll give that a go.  Might have a go at renaming it to .mpg first, and see 
if WMM can deal with it.

You know what's annoying in all this?  Before I went out and bought the 
thing I downloaded the user manual and it had far more comprehensive editing 
options (older software level) than the one I got, including frame-by-frame 
selection of start and end points (that's all I really wanted; I could live 
with it not being perfect).  They really ought to remove that document from 
the web site and replace it with a newer one - it's misleading.

Still can't help feeling somewhat swindled.

Thanks again for all your help, guys.

"Rojo Habe"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Ivan" <ivan'H'older@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message 
> news:RAQNi.26986$c_1.6004@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>>
>>>
>>
>> <http://www.videohelp.com/tools/HDTVtoMPEG2>
>>
>> Allows file conversion and basic editing which I then burn to a DVD with 
>> Nero with excellent results. I have recently found that simply changing 
>> the.ts file extension to .mpg allows it to be played with the Nero 
>> player, seemingly without any problems, although as yet I haven't tried 
>> importing them directly and seeing if Nero burns a DVD with them.
>>
>>
>> <http://www.videolan.org/>
>>
>>
> Thanks Ivan.
>
> I already use VLC for playing QuickTime files, or anything else WMP 
> doesn't like.  HDTVtoMPEG was one of the first things that came up in 
> Google, so I'll give that a go.  Might have a go at renaming it to .mpg 
> first, and see if WMM can deal with it.
>
> You know what's annoying in all this?  Before I went out and bought the 
> thing I downloaded the user manual and it had far more comprehensive 
> editing options (older software level) than the one I got, including 
> frame-by-frame selection of start and end points (that's all I really 
> wanted; I could live with it not being perfect).  They really ought to 
> remove that document from the web site and replace it with a newer one - 
> it's misleading.
>

We bought our Humax back in July and knowing very little about PVRs at the
time I was a bit apprehensive until I asked for advice on a couple of 
newsgroups, however I have to say that I reckon it must
rate as one of the best pieces of kit (next to our first colour TV back in
1968) that I've ever owned, how anyone could ever think about reverting back
to a VHS recorder after using a PVR I just don't know!
Actually loading the .ts files into the HD converter and using the simple
editing technique is very speedy indeed and if you've got a fast burner then
you'll probably be pretty impressed at just how quickly you can produce a
DVD.

HTH Ivan


> Still can't help feeling somewhat swindled.
>
> Thanks again for all your help, guys.
>
>

the dog from that film you saw wrote:

> "Rojo Habe"  wrote
>> OK, so I only got it this morning, but can someone please tell me
>> how to make frame-accurate edits on a Humax PVR-9200TB?

> mpeg2 broadcasts are not encoded as separate frames -  so it's just
> not possible to do what you ask.

Of course it is. Software packages such as "Womble MPEG-2 Video Wizard", 
"TMPGEnc MPEG Editor", and "VideoReDo" do frame-accurate MPEG-2 editing 
without any problems.

But frame-accurate MPEG-2 editing requires that the editor be able to 
recompress the GOP where the edit occurred - and this kind of advanced 
"local recompression" / MPEG-2 "smart editing" capability just isn't 
something that the PVR makers currently seem to support.

-- 
znark

Rojo Habe  wrote:

> You know what's annoying in all this?  Before I went out and bought the
> thing I downloaded the user manual and it had far more comprehensive editing
> options (older software level) than the one I got, including frame-by-frame
> selection of start and end points (that's all I really wanted; I could live
> with it not being perfect).  They really ought to remove that document from
> the web site and replace it with a newer one - it's misleading.

Yes, for some reason this facility was downgraded when the rest of the
software was improved.

When there are several programs following each other on the same channel
I usually make a manual schedule covering all the programs, and then use
the edit facility to split into separate programs.

That's about all it's good for.

Usually I select an approximate splitting point in playback mode (when
there are fast forward and reverse, and jump to position controls), stop
the playback, and then do the edit. The editing playback will start
where the normal playback was stopped, and I just let it run for a short
time before selecting a split point.
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"Ivan" <ivan'H'older@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message 
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>

>
> We bought our Humax back in July and knowing very little about PVRs at the
> time I was a bit apprehensive until I asked for advice on a couple of 
> newsgroups, however I have to say that I reckon it must
> rate as one of the best pieces of kit (next to our first colour TV back in
> 1968) that I've ever owned, how anyone could ever think about reverting 
> back
> to a VHS recorder after using a PVR I just don't know!
> Actually loading the .ts files into the HD converter and using the simple
> editing technique is very speedy indeed and if you've got a fast burner 
> then
> you'll probably be pretty impressed at just how quickly you can produce a
> DVD.
>


Well, I spent an afternoon and evening at it.  After failing to download a 
2GB file onto my laptop several times I decided perhaps for some reason it 
didn't like copying to a shared folder, so I changed to My Documents\My 
Videos: success.  It took about half an hour.   I then spent another twenty 
minutes transferring the file to my main PC.  With the absence of a help 
file I couldn't find out how to edit it in HDTVtoMPEG so I used that 
software to convert it to an mpg file.  The result was three files of 2GB or 
less, none of which would play in Windows Media Player, nor would they 
import into Windows Movie Maker.  So I scrapped the lot and dubbed it to the 
Sony in HQ mode, where I could easily make the edits and dub to DVD.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's a useless machine.  It's nice to 
know that, with a bit of planning, I'll never miss the start or end of a 
recording again, nor have to worry about overlaps.  I certainly wasn't 
thinking of reverting to VHS!  It's just that I had hoped it would replace 
my HDD/DVD recorder (the plan being to either get a cheap DVD only machine 
for archiving, or just burn them on the PC as you suggest), rather than be 
an addition to it.  I'll use it for day-to-day viewing and time-shifting, 
and keep the Sony (which has an intermittent fault and can't be relied upon 
to successfully record something any more) for editing/archiving purposes.

"Rojo Habe"  wrote...
>
> [...]  With the absence of a help file I couldn't find out how to edit 
> it in HDTVtoMPEG so I used that software to convert it to an mpg file. 
> The result was three files of 2GB or less, none of which would play in 
> Windows Media Player, nor would they import into Windows Movie Maker. 
> So I scrapped the lot and dubbed it to the Sony in HQ mode, where I 
> could easily make the edits and dub to DVD.

Like I said:  make a small investment in a copy of VideoReDo for your 
editing, and use freeware like GUIforDVDAuthor to produce high-quality 
compressed DVDs.  You won't regret it, especially when your old Sony 
packs it in.

Matti

"Rojo Habe"  wrote in message 
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> Well, I spent an afternoon and evening at it.  After failing to download a 
> 2GB file onto my laptop several times I decided perhaps for some reason it 
> didn't like copying to a shared folder, so I changed to My Documents\My 
> Videos: success.  It took about half an hour.   I then spent another 
> twenty minutes transferring the file to my main PC.  With the absence of a 
> help file I couldn't find out how to edit it in HDTVtoMPEG so I used that 
> software to convert it to an mpg file.  The result was three files of 2GB 
> or less, none of which would play in Windows Media Player, nor would they 
> import into Windows Movie Maker.  So I scrapped the lot and dubbed it to 
> the Sony in HQ mode, where I could easily make the edits and dub to DVD.
>
> Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's a useless machine.  It's nice to 
> know that, with a bit of planning, I'll never miss the start or end of a 
> recording again, nor have to worry about overlaps.  I certainly wasn't 
> thinking of reverting to VHS!  It's just that I had hoped it would replace 
> my HDD/DVD recorder (the plan being to either get a cheap DVD only machine 
> for archiving, or just burn them on the PC as you suggest), rather than be 
> an addition to it.  I'll use it for day-to-day viewing and time-shifting, 
> and keep the Sony (which has an intermittent fault and can't be relied 
> upon to successfully record something any more) for editing/archiving 
> purposes.

You might find this helpful 
http://www.hummy.org.uk/invison/index.php?showtopic=785 (although the Hummy 
website appears to be off the air at this minute).

I use the TStoDVD 'package' very successfully for converting and editing my 
Humax films etc. In particular, Cuttermaran is a very good freeware editor 
http://www.cuttermaran.de/Default.aspx?lang=en

The Hummy.org.uk website has a lot of good general advice on such matters.

V

Thanks, that looks like a very useful site.

Unfortunately it's backfired a bit.  Reading a few of the posts on there 
have made me realise just how buggy this box is (and gone some way to 
explaining just why one particular weekly schedule of mine completely fails 
to record for no apparent reason).  I've learned that when you update the 
software you lose your recording schedule; I've discovered all manner of 
horrors that a consumer should never come across.

Say what you like: despite the superior functionality that the twin tuners 
offer, this product cannot come close to the ease of use and 
doing-what-it-says-on-the-tin that a decent HDD/DVD combi provides.

Still, I've bought the thing now.  Can't get my money back 'cos it's not 
actually faulty.  Might think about giving it to the parents for 
Christmas...


"Victor Delta"  wrote in message 
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> "Rojo Habe"  wrote in message 
> news:DI2Oi.24739$aN2.3297@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net...
>> Well, I spent an afternoon and evening at it.  After failing to download 
>> a 2GB file onto my laptop several times I decided perhaps for some reason 
>> it didn't like copying to a shared folder, so I changed to My 
>> Documents\My Videos: success.  It took about half an hour.   I then spent 
>> another twenty minutes transferring the file to my main PC.  With the 
>> absence of a help file I couldn't find out how to edit it in HDTVtoMPEG 
>> so I used that software to convert it to an mpg file.  The result was 
>> three files of 2GB or less, none of which would play in Windows Media 
>> Player, nor would they import into Windows Movie Maker.  So I scrapped 
>> the lot and dubbed it to the Sony in HQ mode, where I could easily make 
>> the edits and dub to DVD.
>>
>> Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's a useless machine.  It's nice to 
>> know that, with a bit of planning, I'll never miss the start or end of a 
>> recording again, nor have to worry about overlaps.  I certainly wasn't 
>> thinking of reverting to VHS!  It's just that I had hoped it would 
>> replace my HDD/DVD recorder (the plan being to either get a cheap DVD 
>> only machine for archiving, or just burn them on the PC as you suggest), 
>> rather than be an addition to it.  I'll use it for day-to-day viewing and 
>> time-shifting, and keep the Sony (which has an intermittent fault and 
>> can't be relied upon to successfully record something any more) for 
>> editing/archiving purposes.
>
> You might find this helpful 
> http://www.hummy.org.uk/invison/index.php?showtopic=785 (although the 
> Hummy website appears to be off the air at this minute).
>
> I use the TStoDVD 'package' very successfully for converting and editing 
> my Humax films etc. In particular, Cuttermaran is a very good freeware 
> editor http://www.cuttermaran.de/Default.aspx?lang=en
>
> The Hummy.org.uk website has a lot of good general advice on such matters.
>
> V

"Rojo Habe"  wrote in message 
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> Thanks, that looks like a very useful site.
>
> Unfortunately it's backfired a bit.  Reading a few of the posts on there 
> have made me realise just how buggy this box is (and gone some way to 
> explaining just why one particular weekly schedule of mine completely 
> fails to record for no apparent reason).  I've learned that when you 
> update the software you lose your recording schedule; I've discovered all 
> manner of horrors that a consumer should never come across.
>
> Say what you like: despite the superior functionality that the twin tuners 
> offer, this product cannot come close to the ease of use and 
> doing-what-it-says-on-the-tin that a decent HDD/DVD combi provides.
>
> Still, I've bought the thing now.  Can't get my money back 'cos it's not 
> actually faulty.  Might think about giving it to the parents for 
> Christmas...

OK, but give it time and you may find your views change. I certainly 
wouldn't swop my Hummy now - despite one or two minor imperfections (like 
most things in life!). ;-)

V

Rojo Habe  wrote:

> Unfortunately it's backfired a bit.  Reading a few of the posts on there
> have made me realise just how buggy this box is (and gone some way to
> explaining just why one particular weekly schedule of mine completely fails
> to record for no apparent reason).  I've learned that when you update the
> software you lose your recording schedule; I've discovered all manner of
> horrors that a consumer should never come across.

I think you may have misunderstood about losing recording schedule. You
certainly lose it when you rescan for new channels, and I think that is
unavoidable. I'm not sure that you lose it on a software upgrade.

Anyway this is not hugely signifcant, as one does either of these fairly
infrequently, and just need to time the scan/update when there isn't
much scheduled. For instance, I choose to set my schedule on Saturday
mornings, and did the rescan (because UK History has moved) this morning
before setting up the week's schedules.

And for most of the bugs/weaknesses there are tolerable workarounds. The
slow loading of the EPG doesn't affect me, though some find they can't
live with it, one needs to know that for consecutive programmes to work
properly there is a need to enter the earlier one first (or sometimes to
manually change the start or end of one programme).

I know of only one real bug, which is being looked at currently. That's
the lockup when certains ads are played live.
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"Daniel Cohen"  wrote in message 
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> Rojo Habe  wrote:
> I think you may have misunderstood about losing recording schedule. You
> certainly lose it when you rescan for new channels, and I think that is
> unavoidable. I'm not sure that you lose it on a software upgrade.

You don't automatically lose it when you do an upgrade. However, after an 
upgrade you should do a reset and then you do lose it!

V

Victor Delta  wrote:

> You don't automatically lose it when you do an upgrade. However, after an
> upgrade you should do a reset and then you do lose it!

OK, I had forgotten the advisability of a reset.

But, as I said, one can choose when to perform the upgrade, and pick a
time when very little is scheduled. Annoying, but not a major issue.
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"Victor Delta"  wrote in message 
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> OK, but give it time and you may find your views change. I certainly 
> wouldn't swop my Hummy now - despite one or two minor imperfections (like 
> most things in life!). ;-)
>
> V

I'm certainly giving it time.  It's a bit of a love/hate relationship at the 
moment.  Every time I miss what someone's just said, the ability to just hit 
rewind (without previously having entered Chasing Playback mode as you have 
to do on DVDRs) just blows me away.  The way it just gets on with recording 
stuff in the background, and even lets you watch a third channel providing 
it's in the same mux, is brilliant!

Then on the other side of the coin, watching a two-hour film, only to find 
out the EPG hasn't updated at all while in playback: that's just poor.  Not 
caching the EPG while in Standby, equally so.  It reminds me of when I had 
cable.  I'd also like to see how much space I have left on the Recorded 
Programmes list, rather than having a separate menu for it.

I know what I'll end up doing.  I'll end up keeping it, AND buying a new 
HDD/DVDR as well!  Have the best of both worlds.  Hmmm.. that 
top-of-the-range £1000 Pioneer is calling to me...

Trouble with that is I'll end up recording so much stuff I'll never have 
time to watch it all.