I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent performance. What 
do you guys recommend I go for please?

On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent performance. What
> do you guys recommend I go for please?

If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
close.

What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
there are some easily solved problems.

On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent performance. What
> do you guys recommend I go for please?

If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
close.

What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
there are some easily solved problems.

"widgitt"  wrote in message 
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> On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
>> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent performance. 
>> What
>> do you guys recommend I go for please?
>
> If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
> close.
>
> What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
> there are some easily solved problems.
>

It freezes regularly and only the power cable being taken out of the back 
for 30 seconds or so clears it. It is mainly for sky recordings so I'll just 
have to wait until an improved version appears then.

Thanks for the reply

"Topref"  wrote in message 
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>
> "widgitt"  wrote in message 
> news:1183508810.794267.131870@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>> On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
>>> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent performance. 
>>> What
>>> do you guys recommend I go for please?
>>
>> If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
>> close.
>>
>> What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
>> there are some easily solved problems.
>>
>
> It freezes regularly and only the power cable being taken out of the back 
> for 30 seconds or so clears it. It is mainly for sky recordings so I'll 
> just have to wait until an improved version appears then.

TIVO. Great bit of equipment.

"Steven Campbell"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Topref"  wrote in message 
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>>
>> "widgitt"  wrote in message 
>> news:1183508810.794267.131870@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>>> On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
>>>> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent performance. 
>>>> What
>>>> do you guys recommend I go for please?
>>>
>>> If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
>>> close.
>>>
>>> What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
>>> there are some easily solved problems.
>>>
>>
>> It freezes regularly and only the power cable being taken out of the back 
>> for 30 seconds or so clears it. It is mainly for sky recordings so I'll 
>> just have to wait until an improved version appears then.
>
> TIVO. Great bit of equipment.
>
So does TIVO record sky progs? And I assume that I still pay the £10 to sky 
for the priviledge!

Topref wrote:
> "Steven Campbell"  wrote in message 
> news:468b73e3$0$8753$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
>> "Topref"  wrote in message 
>> news:5f14v5F38rikrU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> "widgitt"  wrote in message 
>>> news:1183508810.794267.131870@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
>>>>> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent performance. 
>>>>> What
>>>>> do you guys recommend I go for please?
>>>> If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
>>>> close.
>>>>
>>>> What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
>>>> there are some easily solved problems.
>>>>
>>> It freezes regularly and only the power cable being taken out of the back 
>>> for 30 seconds or so clears it. It is mainly for sky recordings so I'll 
>>> just have to wait until an improved version appears then.
>> TIVO. Great bit of equipment.
>>
> So does TIVO record sky progs? And I assume that I still pay the £10 to sky 
> for the priviledge! 
> 
> 
Tivo can record sky, no problem....your biggest issue is getting hold of 
a Tivo as they are no longer produced in this country.  Any box you may 
find will more than likely be second hand.  That said I've been running 
my Tivo since 2003 and have yet to have a single problem or crash, the 
only down time I've had with it is when there has been a power cut and 
that's saying something !

I've yet to find another box that matches up to a Tivo and the 
technology is around 6 years old.  The down side is that it only has a 
single analogue tuner in it (because of it's age) but I record via scart 
from a freeview box.  If you are a $ky + user you may miss the ability 
to record 2 progs at once but apart from that you won't miss a thing 
(unless you have HD).  Tivo has a subscription model which is £10/month 
or £200 for a lifetime subscription.  I took the lifetime sub and 
obviously am quid's in now.  Another thing, Tivo is very easy to upgrade 
  and you can even put a web server on it to control the box remotely.

Certainly worth a punt if you can find one on Ebay at a price you like. 
  Look for one that has had a Hdd upgrade as a minimum.

In message , Phil Hoggins 
<Phil_hoggins@yahoodorcodotuk.?.invalid> writes
>Topref wrote:
>> "Steven Campbell"  wrote in message 
>>news:468b73e3$0$8753$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
>>> "Topref"  wrote in message 
>>>news:5f14v5F38rikrU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> "widgitt"  wrote in message 
>>>>news:1183508810.794267.131870@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
>>>>>> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent 
>>>>>>performance.  What
>>>>>> do you guys recommend I go for please?
>>>>> If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
>>>>> close.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
>>>>> there are some easily solved problems.
>>>>>
>>>> It freezes regularly and only the power cable being taken out of 
>>>>the back  for 30 seconds or so clears it. It is mainly for sky 
>>>>recordings so I'll  just have to wait until an improved version 
>>>>appears then.
>>> TIVO. Great bit of equipment.
>>>
>> So does TIVO record sky progs? And I assume that I still pay the £10 
>>to sky  for the priviledge!
>Tivo can record sky, no problem....your biggest issue is getting hold 
>of a Tivo as they are no longer produced in this country.  Any box you 
>may find will more than likely be second hand.  That said I've been 
>running my Tivo since 2003 and have yet to have a single problem or 
>crash, the only down time I've had with it is when there has been a 
>power cut and that's saying something !
>
>I've yet to find another box that matches up to a Tivo and the 
>technology is around 6 years old.  The down side is that it only has a 
>single analogue tuner in it (because of it's age) but I record via 
>scart from a freeview box.  If you are a $ky + user you may miss the 
>ability to record 2 progs at once but apart from that you won't miss a 
>thing (unless you have HD).  Tivo has a subscription model which is 
>£10/month or £200 for a lifetime subscription.  I took the lifetime sub 
>and obviously am quid's in now.  Another thing, Tivo is very easy to 
>upgrade  and you can even put a web server on it to control the box remotely.
>
>Certainly worth a punt if you can find one on Ebay at a price you like. 
>Look for one that has had a Hdd upgrade as a minimum.
>
>
It doesn't forget your series links either (season passes on TiVo) if 
the programme misses a week.

I've got Sky HD too, which I only use for watching HD stuff and as 
backup for TiVo on the rare occasion of a recoding clash with no repeat. 
Original plan was to replace TiVo with Sky+ years ago, but I couldn't do 
it :-) Now the Sky+ has been replaced with Sky HD, but I still can't 
bring myself to ditch the TiVo.
-- 
Sean Black

On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent performance. What
> do you guys recommend I go for please?

If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
close.

What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
there are some easily solved problems.

"widgitt"  wrote in message 
news:1183508810.794267.131870@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
> On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
>> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent performance. 
>> What
>> do you guys recommend I go for please?
>
> If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
> close.
>
> What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
> there are some easily solved problems.
>

It freezes regularly and only the power cable being taken out of the back 
for 30 seconds or so clears it. It is mainly for sky recordings so I'll just 
have to wait until an improved version appears then.

Thanks for the reply

"Topref"  wrote in message 
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>
> "widgitt"  wrote in message 
> news:1183508810.794267.131870@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>> On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
>>> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent performance. 
>>> What
>>> do you guys recommend I go for please?
>>
>> If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
>> close.
>>
>> What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
>> there are some easily solved problems.
>>
>
> It freezes regularly and only the power cable being taken out of the back 
> for 30 seconds or so clears it. It is mainly for sky recordings so I'll 
> just have to wait until an improved version appears then.

TIVO. Great bit of equipment.

"Steven Campbell"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Topref"  wrote in message 
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>>
>> "widgitt"  wrote in message 
>> news:1183508810.794267.131870@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>>> On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
>>>> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent performance. 
>>>> What
>>>> do you guys recommend I go for please?
>>>
>>> If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
>>> close.
>>>
>>> What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
>>> there are some easily solved problems.
>>>
>>
>> It freezes regularly and only the power cable being taken out of the back 
>> for 30 seconds or so clears it. It is mainly for sky recordings so I'll 
>> just have to wait until an improved version appears then.
>
> TIVO. Great bit of equipment.
>
So does TIVO record sky progs? And I assume that I still pay the £10 to sky 
for the priviledge!

Topref wrote:
> "Steven Campbell"  wrote in message 
> news:468b73e3$0$8753$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
>> "Topref"  wrote in message 
>> news:5f14v5F38rikrU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> "widgitt"  wrote in message 
>>> news:1183508810.794267.131870@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
>>>>> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent performance. 
>>>>> What
>>>>> do you guys recommend I go for please?
>>>> If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
>>>> close.
>>>>
>>>> What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
>>>> there are some easily solved problems.
>>>>
>>> It freezes regularly and only the power cable being taken out of the back 
>>> for 30 seconds or so clears it. It is mainly for sky recordings so I'll 
>>> just have to wait until an improved version appears then.
>> TIVO. Great bit of equipment.
>>
> So does TIVO record sky progs? And I assume that I still pay the £10 to sky 
> for the priviledge! 
> 
> 
Tivo can record sky, no problem....your biggest issue is getting hold of 
a Tivo as they are no longer produced in this country.  Any box you may 
find will more than likely be second hand.  That said I've been running 
my Tivo since 2003 and have yet to have a single problem or crash, the 
only down time I've had with it is when there has been a power cut and 
that's saying something !

I've yet to find another box that matches up to a Tivo and the 
technology is around 6 years old.  The down side is that it only has a 
single analogue tuner in it (because of it's age) but I record via scart 
from a freeview box.  If you are a $ky + user you may miss the ability 
to record 2 progs at once but apart from that you won't miss a thing 
(unless you have HD).  Tivo has a subscription model which is £10/month 
or £200 for a lifetime subscription.  I took the lifetime sub and 
obviously am quid's in now.  Another thing, Tivo is very easy to upgrade 
  and you can even put a web server on it to control the box remotely.

Certainly worth a punt if you can find one on Ebay at a price you like. 
  Look for one that has had a Hdd upgrade as a minimum.

In message , Phil Hoggins 
<Phil_hoggins@yahoodorcodotuk.?.invalid> writes
>Topref wrote:
>> "Steven Campbell"  wrote in message 
>>news:468b73e3$0$8753$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
>>> "Topref"  wrote in message 
>>>news:5f14v5F38rikrU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> "widgitt"  wrote in message 
>>>>news:1183508810.794267.131870@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
>>>>>> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent 
>>>>>>performance.  What
>>>>>> do you guys recommend I go for please?
>>>>> If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
>>>>> close.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
>>>>> there are some easily solved problems.
>>>>>
>>>> It freezes regularly and only the power cable being taken out of 
>>>>the back  for 30 seconds or so clears it. It is mainly for sky 
>>>>recordings so I'll  just have to wait until an improved version 
>>>>appears then.
>>> TIVO. Great bit of equipment.
>>>
>> So does TIVO record sky progs? And I assume that I still pay the £10 
>>to sky  for the priviledge!
>Tivo can record sky, no problem....your biggest issue is getting hold 
>of a Tivo as they are no longer produced in this country.  Any box you 
>may find will more than likely be second hand.  That said I've been 
>running my Tivo since 2003 and have yet to have a single problem or 
>crash, the only down time I've had with it is when there has been a 
>power cut and that's saying something !
>
>I've yet to find another box that matches up to a Tivo and the 
>technology is around 6 years old.  The down side is that it only has a 
>single analogue tuner in it (because of it's age) but I record via 
>scart from a freeview box.  If you are a $ky + user you may miss the 
>ability to record 2 progs at once but apart from that you won't miss a 
>thing (unless you have HD).  Tivo has a subscription model which is 
>£10/month or £200 for a lifetime subscription.  I took the lifetime sub 
>and obviously am quid's in now.  Another thing, Tivo is very easy to 
>upgrade  and you can even put a web server on it to control the box remotely.
>
>Certainly worth a punt if you can find one on Ebay at a price you like. 
>Look for one that has had a Hdd upgrade as a minimum.
>
>
It doesn't forget your series links either (season passes on TiVo) if 
the programme misses a week.

I've got Sky HD too, which I only use for watching HD stuff and as 
backup for TiVo on the rare occasion of a recoding clash with no repeat. 
Original plan was to replace TiVo with Sky+ years ago, but I couldn't do 
it :-) Now the Sky+ has been replaced with Sky HD, but I still can't 
bring myself to ditch the TiVo.
-- 
Sean Black

TIVO does record Sky but only from a Sky Box so you still have one of
these with the usual potential for freezing and locking up in the way
that all Sky boxes do.
The TIVO sends commands to the Sky box to switch channel as necessary
for recording but you cannot then watch a different Sky channel at the
same time.

No, there is no payment to Sky for the recording function, any more
than there would be for using a VCR.....BUT.....Sky have just dropped
the £10 charge for Sky Plus from the 1st of July so long as you are a
subscriber to even the most basic Sky package of channels.

On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent performance. What
> do you guys recommend I go for please?

If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
close.

What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
there are some easily solved problems.

"widgitt"  wrote in message 
news:1183508810.794267.131870@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
> On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
>> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent performance. 
>> What
>> do you guys recommend I go for please?
>
> If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
> close.
>
> What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
> there are some easily solved problems.
>

It freezes regularly and only the power cable being taken out of the back 
for 30 seconds or so clears it. It is mainly for sky recordings so I'll just 
have to wait until an improved version appears then.

Thanks for the reply

"Topref"  wrote in message 
news:5f14v5F38rikrU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "widgitt"  wrote in message 
> news:1183508810.794267.131870@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>> On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
>>> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent performance. 
>>> What
>>> do you guys recommend I go for please?
>>
>> If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
>> close.
>>
>> What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
>> there are some easily solved problems.
>>
>
> It freezes regularly and only the power cable being taken out of the back 
> for 30 seconds or so clears it. It is mainly for sky recordings so I'll 
> just have to wait until an improved version appears then.

TIVO. Great bit of equipment.

"Steven Campbell"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Topref"  wrote in message 
> news:5f14v5F38rikrU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> "widgitt"  wrote in message 
>> news:1183508810.794267.131870@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>>> On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
>>>> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent performance. 
>>>> What
>>>> do you guys recommend I go for please?
>>>
>>> If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
>>> close.
>>>
>>> What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
>>> there are some easily solved problems.
>>>
>>
>> It freezes regularly and only the power cable being taken out of the back 
>> for 30 seconds or so clears it. It is mainly for sky recordings so I'll 
>> just have to wait until an improved version appears then.
>
> TIVO. Great bit of equipment.
>
So does TIVO record sky progs? And I assume that I still pay the £10 to sky 
for the priviledge!

Topref wrote:
> "Steven Campbell"  wrote in message 
> news:468b73e3$0$8753$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
>> "Topref"  wrote in message 
>> news:5f14v5F38rikrU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> "widgitt"  wrote in message 
>>> news:1183508810.794267.131870@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
>>>>> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent performance. 
>>>>> What
>>>>> do you guys recommend I go for please?
>>>> If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
>>>> close.
>>>>
>>>> What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
>>>> there are some easily solved problems.
>>>>
>>> It freezes regularly and only the power cable being taken out of the back 
>>> for 30 seconds or so clears it. It is mainly for sky recordings so I'll 
>>> just have to wait until an improved version appears then.
>> TIVO. Great bit of equipment.
>>
> So does TIVO record sky progs? And I assume that I still pay the £10 to sky 
> for the priviledge! 
> 
> 
Tivo can record sky, no problem....your biggest issue is getting hold of 
a Tivo as they are no longer produced in this country.  Any box you may 
find will more than likely be second hand.  That said I've been running 
my Tivo since 2003 and have yet to have a single problem or crash, the 
only down time I've had with it is when there has been a power cut and 
that's saying something !

I've yet to find another box that matches up to a Tivo and the 
technology is around 6 years old.  The down side is that it only has a 
single analogue tuner in it (because of it's age) but I record via scart 
from a freeview box.  If you are a $ky + user you may miss the ability 
to record 2 progs at once but apart from that you won't miss a thing 
(unless you have HD).  Tivo has a subscription model which is £10/month 
or £200 for a lifetime subscription.  I took the lifetime sub and 
obviously am quid's in now.  Another thing, Tivo is very easy to upgrade 
  and you can even put a web server on it to control the box remotely.

Certainly worth a punt if you can find one on Ebay at a price you like. 
  Look for one that has had a Hdd upgrade as a minimum.

In message , Phil Hoggins 
<Phil_hoggins@yahoodorcodotuk.?.invalid> writes
>Topref wrote:
>> "Steven Campbell"  wrote in message 
>>news:468b73e3$0$8753$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
>>> "Topref"  wrote in message 
>>>news:5f14v5F38rikrU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> "widgitt"  wrote in message 
>>>>news:1183508810.794267.131870@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
>>>>>> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent 
>>>>>>performance.  What
>>>>>> do you guys recommend I go for please?
>>>>> If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
>>>>> close.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
>>>>> there are some easily solved problems.
>>>>>
>>>> It freezes regularly and only the power cable being taken out of 
>>>>the back  for 30 seconds or so clears it. It is mainly for sky 
>>>>recordings so I'll  just have to wait until an improved version 
>>>>appears then.
>>> TIVO. Great bit of equipment.
>>>
>> So does TIVO record sky progs? And I assume that I still pay the £10 
>>to sky  for the priviledge!
>Tivo can record sky, no problem....your biggest issue is getting hold 
>of a Tivo as they are no longer produced in this country.  Any box you 
>may find will more than likely be second hand.  That said I've been 
>running my Tivo since 2003 and have yet to have a single problem or 
>crash, the only down time I've had with it is when there has been a 
>power cut and that's saying something !
>
>I've yet to find another box that matches up to a Tivo and the 
>technology is around 6 years old.  The down side is that it only has a 
>single analogue tuner in it (because of it's age) but I record via 
>scart from a freeview box.  If you are a $ky + user you may miss the 
>ability to record 2 progs at once but apart from that you won't miss a 
>thing (unless you have HD).  Tivo has a subscription model which is 
>£10/month or £200 for a lifetime subscription.  I took the lifetime sub 
>and obviously am quid's in now.  Another thing, Tivo is very easy to 
>upgrade  and you can even put a web server on it to control the box remotely.
>
>Certainly worth a punt if you can find one on Ebay at a price you like. 
>Look for one that has had a Hdd upgrade as a minimum.
>
>
It doesn't forget your series links either (season passes on TiVo) if 
the programme misses a week.

I've got Sky HD too, which I only use for watching HD stuff and as 
backup for TiVo on the rare occasion of a recoding clash with no repeat. 
Original plan was to replace TiVo with Sky+ years ago, but I couldn't do 
it :-) Now the Sky+ has been replaced with Sky HD, but I still can't 
bring myself to ditch the TiVo.
-- 
Sean Black

TIVO does record Sky but only from a Sky Box so you still have one of
these with the usual potential for freezing and locking up in the way
that all Sky boxes do.
The TIVO sends commands to the Sky box to switch channel as necessary
for recording but you cannot then watch a different Sky channel at the
same time.

No, there is no payment to Sky for the recording function, any more
than there would be for using a VCR.....BUT.....Sky have just dropped
the £10 charge for Sky Plus from the 1st of July so long as you are a
subscriber to even the most basic Sky package of channels.

"widgitt"  wrote in message
news:1183594932.484957.195080@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>No, there is no payment to Sky for the recording function, any more
>than there would be for using a VCR.....

That is quite correct, however if you don't pay Sky the £10 subscription you
will have a crippled service.
It won't download the EPG which in turn means you can't activate a season
pass (series link).
Plus I think anything you record won't be labelled.
I'm sure there are other negatives for not subscribing.

Steven.

On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent performance. What
> do you guys recommend I go for please?

If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
close.

What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
there are some easily solved problems.

"widgitt"  wrote in message 
news:1183508810.794267.131870@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
> On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
>> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent performance. 
>> What
>> do you guys recommend I go for please?
>
> If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
> close.
>
> What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
> there are some easily solved problems.
>

It freezes regularly and only the power cable being taken out of the back 
for 30 seconds or so clears it. It is mainly for sky recordings so I'll just 
have to wait until an improved version appears then.

Thanks for the reply

"Topref"  wrote in message 
news:5f14v5F38rikrU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "widgitt"  wrote in message 
> news:1183508810.794267.131870@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>> On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
>>> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent performance. 
>>> What
>>> do you guys recommend I go for please?
>>
>> If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
>> close.
>>
>> What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
>> there are some easily solved problems.
>>
>
> It freezes regularly and only the power cable being taken out of the back 
> for 30 seconds or so clears it. It is mainly for sky recordings so I'll 
> just have to wait until an improved version appears then.

TIVO. Great bit of equipment.

"Steven Campbell"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Topref"  wrote in message 
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>>
>> "widgitt"  wrote in message 
>> news:1183508810.794267.131870@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>>> On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
>>>> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent performance. 
>>>> What
>>>> do you guys recommend I go for please?
>>>
>>> If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
>>> close.
>>>
>>> What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
>>> there are some easily solved problems.
>>>
>>
>> It freezes regularly and only the power cable being taken out of the back 
>> for 30 seconds or so clears it. It is mainly for sky recordings so I'll 
>> just have to wait until an improved version appears then.
>
> TIVO. Great bit of equipment.
>
So does TIVO record sky progs? And I assume that I still pay the £10 to sky 
for the priviledge!

Topref wrote:
> "Steven Campbell"  wrote in message 
> news:468b73e3$0$8753$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
>> "Topref"  wrote in message 
>> news:5f14v5F38rikrU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> "widgitt"  wrote in message 
>>> news:1183508810.794267.131870@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
>>>>> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent performance. 
>>>>> What
>>>>> do you guys recommend I go for please?
>>>> If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
>>>> close.
>>>>
>>>> What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
>>>> there are some easily solved problems.
>>>>
>>> It freezes regularly and only the power cable being taken out of the back 
>>> for 30 seconds or so clears it. It is mainly for sky recordings so I'll 
>>> just have to wait until an improved version appears then.
>> TIVO. Great bit of equipment.
>>
> So does TIVO record sky progs? And I assume that I still pay the £10 to sky 
> for the priviledge! 
> 
> 
Tivo can record sky, no problem....your biggest issue is getting hold of 
a Tivo as they are no longer produced in this country.  Any box you may 
find will more than likely be second hand.  That said I've been running 
my Tivo since 2003 and have yet to have a single problem or crash, the 
only down time I've had with it is when there has been a power cut and 
that's saying something !

I've yet to find another box that matches up to a Tivo and the 
technology is around 6 years old.  The down side is that it only has a 
single analogue tuner in it (because of it's age) but I record via scart 
from a freeview box.  If you are a $ky + user you may miss the ability 
to record 2 progs at once but apart from that you won't miss a thing 
(unless you have HD).  Tivo has a subscription model which is £10/month 
or £200 for a lifetime subscription.  I took the lifetime sub and 
obviously am quid's in now.  Another thing, Tivo is very easy to upgrade 
  and you can even put a web server on it to control the box remotely.

Certainly worth a punt if you can find one on Ebay at a price you like. 
  Look for one that has had a Hdd upgrade as a minimum.

In message , Phil Hoggins 
<Phil_hoggins@yahoodorcodotuk.?.invalid> writes
>Topref wrote:
>> "Steven Campbell"  wrote in message 
>>news:468b73e3$0$8753$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
>>> "Topref"  wrote in message 
>>>news:5f14v5F38rikrU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> "widgitt"  wrote in message 
>>>>news:1183508810.794267.131870@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
>>>>>> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent 
>>>>>>performance.  What
>>>>>> do you guys recommend I go for please?
>>>>> If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
>>>>> close.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
>>>>> there are some easily solved problems.
>>>>>
>>>> It freezes regularly and only the power cable being taken out of 
>>>>the back  for 30 seconds or so clears it. It is mainly for sky 
>>>>recordings so I'll  just have to wait until an improved version 
>>>>appears then.
>>> TIVO. Great bit of equipment.
>>>
>> So does TIVO record sky progs? And I assume that I still pay the £10 
>>to sky  for the priviledge!
>Tivo can record sky, no problem....your biggest issue is getting hold 
>of a Tivo as they are no longer produced in this country.  Any box you 
>may find will more than likely be second hand.  That said I've been 
>running my Tivo since 2003 and have yet to have a single problem or 
>crash, the only down time I've had with it is when there has been a 
>power cut and that's saying something !
>
>I've yet to find another box that matches up to a Tivo and the 
>technology is around 6 years old.  The down side is that it only has a 
>single analogue tuner in it (because of it's age) but I record via 
>scart from a freeview box.  If you are a $ky + user you may miss the 
>ability to record 2 progs at once but apart from that you won't miss a 
>thing (unless you have HD).  Tivo has a subscription model which is 
>£10/month or £200 for a lifetime subscription.  I took the lifetime sub 
>and obviously am quid's in now.  Another thing, Tivo is very easy to 
>upgrade  and you can even put a web server on it to control the box remotely.
>
>Certainly worth a punt if you can find one on Ebay at a price you like. 
>Look for one that has had a Hdd upgrade as a minimum.
>
>
It doesn't forget your series links either (season passes on TiVo) if 
the programme misses a week.

I've got Sky HD too, which I only use for watching HD stuff and as 
backup for TiVo on the rare occasion of a recoding clash with no repeat. 
Original plan was to replace TiVo with Sky+ years ago, but I couldn't do 
it :-) Now the Sky+ has been replaced with Sky HD, but I still can't 
bring myself to ditch the TiVo.
-- 
Sean Black

TIVO does record Sky but only from a Sky Box so you still have one of
these with the usual potential for freezing and locking up in the way
that all Sky boxes do.
The TIVO sends commands to the Sky box to switch channel as necessary
for recording but you cannot then watch a different Sky channel at the
same time.

No, there is no payment to Sky for the recording function, any more
than there would be for using a VCR.....BUT.....Sky have just dropped
the £10 charge for Sky Plus from the 1st of July so long as you are a
subscriber to even the most basic Sky package of channels.

"widgitt"  wrote in message
news:1183594932.484957.195080@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>No, there is no payment to Sky for the recording function, any more
>than there would be for using a VCR.....

That is quite correct, however if you don't pay Sky the £10 subscription you
will have a crippled service.
It won't download the EPG which in turn means you can't activate a season
pass (series link).
Plus I think anything you record won't be labelled.
I'm sure there are other negatives for not subscribing.

Steven.

On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent performance. What
> do you guys recommend I go for please?

If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
close.

What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
there are some easily solved problems.

"widgitt"  wrote in message 
news:1183508810.794267.131870@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
> On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
>> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent performance. 
>> What
>> do you guys recommend I go for please?
>
> If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
> close.
>
> What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
> there are some easily solved problems.
>

It freezes regularly and only the power cable being taken out of the back 
for 30 seconds or so clears it. It is mainly for sky recordings so I'll just 
have to wait until an improved version appears then.

Thanks for the reply

"Topref"  wrote in message 
news:5f14v5F38rikrU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "widgitt"  wrote in message 
> news:1183508810.794267.131870@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>> On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
>>> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent performance. 
>>> What
>>> do you guys recommend I go for please?
>>
>> If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
>> close.
>>
>> What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
>> there are some easily solved problems.
>>
>
> It freezes regularly and only the power cable being taken out of the back 
> for 30 seconds or so clears it. It is mainly for sky recordings so I'll 
> just have to wait until an improved version appears then.

TIVO. Great bit of equipment.

"Steven Campbell"  wrote in message 
news:468b73e3$0$8753$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
>
> "Topref"  wrote in message 
> news:5f14v5F38rikrU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> "widgitt"  wrote in message 
>> news:1183508810.794267.131870@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>>> On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
>>>> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent performance. 
>>>> What
>>>> do you guys recommend I go for please?
>>>
>>> If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
>>> close.
>>>
>>> What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
>>> there are some easily solved problems.
>>>
>>
>> It freezes regularly and only the power cable being taken out of the back 
>> for 30 seconds or so clears it. It is mainly for sky recordings so I'll 
>> just have to wait until an improved version appears then.
>
> TIVO. Great bit of equipment.
>
So does TIVO record sky progs? And I assume that I still pay the £10 to sky 
for the priviledge!

Topref wrote:
> "Steven Campbell"  wrote in message 
> news:468b73e3$0$8753$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
>> "Topref"  wrote in message 
>> news:5f14v5F38rikrU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> "widgitt"  wrote in message 
>>> news:1183508810.794267.131870@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
>>>>> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent performance. 
>>>>> What
>>>>> do you guys recommend I go for please?
>>>> If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
>>>> close.
>>>>
>>>> What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
>>>> there are some easily solved problems.
>>>>
>>> It freezes regularly and only the power cable being taken out of the back 
>>> for 30 seconds or so clears it. It is mainly for sky recordings so I'll 
>>> just have to wait until an improved version appears then.
>> TIVO. Great bit of equipment.
>>
> So does TIVO record sky progs? And I assume that I still pay the £10 to sky 
> for the priviledge! 
> 
> 
Tivo can record sky, no problem....your biggest issue is getting hold of 
a Tivo as they are no longer produced in this country.  Any box you may 
find will more than likely be second hand.  That said I've been running 
my Tivo since 2003 and have yet to have a single problem or crash, the 
only down time I've had with it is when there has been a power cut and 
that's saying something !

I've yet to find another box that matches up to a Tivo and the 
technology is around 6 years old.  The down side is that it only has a 
single analogue tuner in it (because of it's age) but I record via scart 
from a freeview box.  If you are a $ky + user you may miss the ability 
to record 2 progs at once but apart from that you won't miss a thing 
(unless you have HD).  Tivo has a subscription model which is £10/month 
or £200 for a lifetime subscription.  I took the lifetime sub and 
obviously am quid's in now.  Another thing, Tivo is very easy to upgrade 
  and you can even put a web server on it to control the box remotely.

Certainly worth a punt if you can find one on Ebay at a price you like. 
  Look for one that has had a Hdd upgrade as a minimum.

In message , Phil Hoggins 
<Phil_hoggins@yahoodorcodotuk.?.invalid> writes
>Topref wrote:
>> "Steven Campbell"  wrote in message 
>>news:468b73e3$0$8753$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
>>> "Topref"  wrote in message 
>>>news:5f14v5F38rikrU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> "widgitt"  wrote in message 
>>>>news:1183508810.794267.131870@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
>>>>>> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent 
>>>>>>performance.  What
>>>>>> do you guys recommend I go for please?
>>>>> If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
>>>>> close.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
>>>>> there are some easily solved problems.
>>>>>
>>>> It freezes regularly and only the power cable being taken out of 
>>>>the back  for 30 seconds or so clears it. It is mainly for sky 
>>>>recordings so I'll  just have to wait until an improved version 
>>>>appears then.
>>> TIVO. Great bit of equipment.
>>>
>> So does TIVO record sky progs? And I assume that I still pay the £10 
>>to sky  for the priviledge!
>Tivo can record sky, no problem....your biggest issue is getting hold 
>of a Tivo as they are no longer produced in this country.  Any box you 
>may find will more than likely be second hand.  That said I've been 
>running my Tivo since 2003 and have yet to have a single problem or 
>crash, the only down time I've had with it is when there has been a 
>power cut and that's saying something !
>
>I've yet to find another box that matches up to a Tivo and the 
>technology is around 6 years old.  The down side is that it only has a 
>single analogue tuner in it (because of it's age) but I record via 
>scart from a freeview box.  If you are a $ky + user you may miss the 
>ability to record 2 progs at once but apart from that you won't miss a 
>thing (unless you have HD).  Tivo has a subscription model which is 
>£10/month or £200 for a lifetime subscription.  I took the lifetime sub 
>and obviously am quid's in now.  Another thing, Tivo is very easy to 
>upgrade  and you can even put a web server on it to control the box remotely.
>
>Certainly worth a punt if you can find one on Ebay at a price you like. 
>Look for one that has had a Hdd upgrade as a minimum.
>
>
It doesn't forget your series links either (season passes on TiVo) if 
the programme misses a week.

I've got Sky HD too, which I only use for watching HD stuff and as 
backup for TiVo on the rare occasion of a recoding clash with no repeat. 
Original plan was to replace TiVo with Sky+ years ago, but I couldn't do 
it :-) Now the Sky+ has been replaced with Sky HD, but I still can't 
bring myself to ditch the TiVo.
-- 
Sean Black

TIVO does record Sky but only from a Sky Box so you still have one of
these with the usual potential for freezing and locking up in the way
that all Sky boxes do.
The TIVO sends commands to the Sky box to switch channel as necessary
for recording but you cannot then watch a different Sky channel at the
same time.

No, there is no payment to Sky for the recording function, any more
than there would be for using a VCR.....BUT.....Sky have just dropped
the £10 charge for Sky Plus from the 1st of July so long as you are a
subscriber to even the most basic Sky package of channels.

"widgitt"  wrote in message
news:1183594932.484957.195080@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>No, there is no payment to Sky for the recording function, any more
>than there would be for using a VCR.....

That is quite correct, however if you don't pay Sky the £10 subscription you
will have a crippled service.
It won't download the EPG which in turn means you can't activate a season
pass (series link).
Plus I think anything you record won't be labelled.
I'm sure there are other negatives for not subscribing.

Steven.

You need to subscribe to Sky for their programme package but they have
stopped the £10 extra subscription for Sky Plus altogether from 1/7/07
as long as you are a subscriber to at least the basic "2 mix" from the
family pack.

On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent performance. What
> do you guys recommend I go for please?

If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
close.

What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
there are some easily solved problems.

"widgitt"  wrote in message 
news:1183508810.794267.131870@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
> On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
>> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent performance. 
>> What
>> do you guys recommend I go for please?
>
> If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
> close.
>
> What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
> there are some easily solved problems.
>

It freezes regularly and only the power cable being taken out of the back 
for 30 seconds or so clears it. It is mainly for sky recordings so I'll just 
have to wait until an improved version appears then.

Thanks for the reply

"Topref"  wrote in message 
news:5f14v5F38rikrU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "widgitt"  wrote in message 
> news:1183508810.794267.131870@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>> On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
>>> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent performance. 
>>> What
>>> do you guys recommend I go for please?
>>
>> If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
>> close.
>>
>> What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
>> there are some easily solved problems.
>>
>
> It freezes regularly and only the power cable being taken out of the back 
> for 30 seconds or so clears it. It is mainly for sky recordings so I'll 
> just have to wait until an improved version appears then.

TIVO. Great bit of equipment.

"Steven Campbell"  wrote in message 
news:468b73e3$0$8753$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
>
> "Topref"  wrote in message 
> news:5f14v5F38rikrU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> "widgitt"  wrote in message 
>> news:1183508810.794267.131870@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>>> On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
>>>> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent performance. 
>>>> What
>>>> do you guys recommend I go for please?
>>>
>>> If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
>>> close.
>>>
>>> What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
>>> there are some easily solved problems.
>>>
>>
>> It freezes regularly and only the power cable being taken out of the back 
>> for 30 seconds or so clears it. It is mainly for sky recordings so I'll 
>> just have to wait until an improved version appears then.
>
> TIVO. Great bit of equipment.
>
So does TIVO record sky progs? And I assume that I still pay the £10 to sky 
for the priviledge!

Topref wrote:
> "Steven Campbell"  wrote in message 
> news:468b73e3$0$8753$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
>> "Topref"  wrote in message 
>> news:5f14v5F38rikrU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> "widgitt"  wrote in message 
>>> news:1183508810.794267.131870@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
>>>>> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent performance. 
>>>>> What
>>>>> do you guys recommend I go for please?
>>>> If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
>>>> close.
>>>>
>>>> What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
>>>> there are some easily solved problems.
>>>>
>>> It freezes regularly and only the power cable being taken out of the back 
>>> for 30 seconds or so clears it. It is mainly for sky recordings so I'll 
>>> just have to wait until an improved version appears then.
>> TIVO. Great bit of equipment.
>>
> So does TIVO record sky progs? And I assume that I still pay the £10 to sky 
> for the priviledge! 
> 
> 
Tivo can record sky, no problem....your biggest issue is getting hold of 
a Tivo as they are no longer produced in this country.  Any box you may 
find will more than likely be second hand.  That said I've been running 
my Tivo since 2003 and have yet to have a single problem or crash, the 
only down time I've had with it is when there has been a power cut and 
that's saying something !

I've yet to find another box that matches up to a Tivo and the 
technology is around 6 years old.  The down side is that it only has a 
single analogue tuner in it (because of it's age) but I record via scart 
from a freeview box.  If you are a $ky + user you may miss the ability 
to record 2 progs at once but apart from that you won't miss a thing 
(unless you have HD).  Tivo has a subscription model which is £10/month 
or £200 for a lifetime subscription.  I took the lifetime sub and 
obviously am quid's in now.  Another thing, Tivo is very easy to upgrade 
  and you can even put a web server on it to control the box remotely.

Certainly worth a punt if you can find one on Ebay at a price you like. 
  Look for one that has had a Hdd upgrade as a minimum.

In message , Phil Hoggins 
<Phil_hoggins@yahoodorcodotuk.?.invalid> writes
>Topref wrote:
>> "Steven Campbell"  wrote in message 
>>news:468b73e3$0$8753$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
>>> "Topref"  wrote in message 
>>>news:5f14v5F38rikrU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> "widgitt"  wrote in message 
>>>>news:1183508810.794267.131870@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
>>>>>> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent 
>>>>>>performance.  What
>>>>>> do you guys recommend I go for please?
>>>>> If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
>>>>> close.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
>>>>> there are some easily solved problems.
>>>>>
>>>> It freezes regularly and only the power cable being taken out of 
>>>>the back  for 30 seconds or so clears it. It is mainly for sky 
>>>>recordings so I'll  just have to wait until an improved version 
>>>>appears then.
>>> TIVO. Great bit of equipment.
>>>
>> So does TIVO record sky progs? And I assume that I still pay the £10 
>>to sky  for the priviledge!
>Tivo can record sky, no problem....your biggest issue is getting hold 
>of a Tivo as they are no longer produced in this country.  Any box you 
>may find will more than likely be second hand.  That said I've been 
>running my Tivo since 2003 and have yet to have a single problem or 
>crash, the only down time I've had with it is when there has been a 
>power cut and that's saying something !
>
>I've yet to find another box that matches up to a Tivo and the 
>technology is around 6 years old.  The down side is that it only has a 
>single analogue tuner in it (because of it's age) but I record via 
>scart from a freeview box.  If you are a $ky + user you may miss the 
>ability to record 2 progs at once but apart from that you won't miss a 
>thing (unless you have HD).  Tivo has a subscription model which is 
>£10/month or £200 for a lifetime subscription.  I took the lifetime sub 
>and obviously am quid's in now.  Another thing, Tivo is very easy to 
>upgrade  and you can even put a web server on it to control the box remotely.
>
>Certainly worth a punt if you can find one on Ebay at a price you like. 
>Look for one that has had a Hdd upgrade as a minimum.
>
>
It doesn't forget your series links either (season passes on TiVo) if 
the programme misses a week.

I've got Sky HD too, which I only use for watching HD stuff and as 
backup for TiVo on the rare occasion of a recoding clash with no repeat. 
Original plan was to replace TiVo with Sky+ years ago, but I couldn't do 
it :-) Now the Sky+ has been replaced with Sky HD, but I still can't 
bring myself to ditch the TiVo.
-- 
Sean Black

TIVO does record Sky but only from a Sky Box so you still have one of
these with the usual potential for freezing and locking up in the way
that all Sky boxes do.
The TIVO sends commands to the Sky box to switch channel as necessary
for recording but you cannot then watch a different Sky channel at the
same time.

No, there is no payment to Sky for the recording function, any more
than there would be for using a VCR.....BUT.....Sky have just dropped
the £10 charge for Sky Plus from the 1st of July so long as you are a
subscriber to even the most basic Sky package of channels.

"widgitt"  wrote in message
news:1183594932.484957.195080@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>No, there is no payment to Sky for the recording function, any more
>than there would be for using a VCR.....

That is quite correct, however if you don't pay Sky the £10 subscription you
will have a crippled service.
It won't download the EPG which in turn means you can't activate a season
pass (series link).
Plus I think anything you record won't be labelled.
I'm sure there are other negatives for not subscribing.

Steven.

You need to subscribe to Sky for their programme package but they have
stopped the £10 extra subscription for Sky Plus altogether from 1/7/07
as long as you are a subscriber to at least the basic "2 mix" from the
family pack.

"widgitt"  wrote in message 
news:1183679308.979708.131600@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
You need to subscribe to Sky for their programme package but they have
stopped the £10 extra subscription for Sky Plus altogether from 1/7/07
as long as you are a subscriber to at least the basic "2 mix" from the
family pack.

**************

And that has what to do with Tivo?

T

"Tony" <UaintGetting@it> wrote in message 
news:468e0ff0$0$8758$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
> "widgitt"  wrote in message 
> news:1183679308.979708.131600@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> You need to subscribe to Sky for their programme package but they have
> stopped the £10 extra subscription for Sky Plus altogether from 1/7/07
> as long as you are a subscriber to at least the basic "2 mix" from the
> family pack.
>
> **************
>
> And that has what to do with Tivo?
>
> T
>
>
>

Nothing that I can see - should it have? I must have missed that bit

On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent performance. What
> do you guys recommend I go for please?

If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
close.

What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
there are some easily solved problems.

"widgitt"  wrote in message 
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> On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
>> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent performance. 
>> What
>> do you guys recommend I go for please?
>
> If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
> close.
>
> What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
> there are some easily solved problems.
>

It freezes regularly and only the power cable being taken out of the back 
for 30 seconds or so clears it. It is mainly for sky recordings so I'll just 
have to wait until an improved version appears then.

Thanks for the reply

"Topref"  wrote in message 
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>
> "widgitt"  wrote in message 
> news:1183508810.794267.131870@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>> On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
>>> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent performance. 
>>> What
>>> do you guys recommend I go for please?
>>
>> If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
>> close.
>>
>> What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
>> there are some easily solved problems.
>>
>
> It freezes regularly and only the power cable being taken out of the back 
> for 30 seconds or so clears it. It is mainly for sky recordings so I'll 
> just have to wait until an improved version appears then.

TIVO. Great bit of equipment.

"Steven Campbell"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Topref"  wrote in message 
> news:5f14v5F38rikrU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> "widgitt"  wrote in message 
>> news:1183508810.794267.131870@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>>> On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
>>>> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent performance. 
>>>> What
>>>> do you guys recommend I go for please?
>>>
>>> If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
>>> close.
>>>
>>> What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
>>> there are some easily solved problems.
>>>
>>
>> It freezes regularly and only the power cable being taken out of the back 
>> for 30 seconds or so clears it. It is mainly for sky recordings so I'll 
>> just have to wait until an improved version appears then.
>
> TIVO. Great bit of equipment.
>
So does TIVO record sky progs? And I assume that I still pay the £10 to sky 
for the priviledge!

Topref wrote:
> "Steven Campbell"  wrote in message 
> news:468b73e3$0$8753$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
>> "Topref"  wrote in message 
>> news:5f14v5F38rikrU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> "widgitt"  wrote in message 
>>> news:1183508810.794267.131870@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
>>>>> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent performance. 
>>>>> What
>>>>> do you guys recommend I go for please?
>>>> If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
>>>> close.
>>>>
>>>> What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
>>>> there are some easily solved problems.
>>>>
>>> It freezes regularly and only the power cable being taken out of the back 
>>> for 30 seconds or so clears it. It is mainly for sky recordings so I'll 
>>> just have to wait until an improved version appears then.
>> TIVO. Great bit of equipment.
>>
> So does TIVO record sky progs? And I assume that I still pay the £10 to sky 
> for the priviledge! 
> 
> 
Tivo can record sky, no problem....your biggest issue is getting hold of 
a Tivo as they are no longer produced in this country.  Any box you may 
find will more than likely be second hand.  That said I've been running 
my Tivo since 2003 and have yet to have a single problem or crash, the 
only down time I've had with it is when there has been a power cut and 
that's saying something !

I've yet to find another box that matches up to a Tivo and the 
technology is around 6 years old.  The down side is that it only has a 
single analogue tuner in it (because of it's age) but I record via scart 
from a freeview box.  If you are a $ky + user you may miss the ability 
to record 2 progs at once but apart from that you won't miss a thing 
(unless you have HD).  Tivo has a subscription model which is £10/month 
or £200 for a lifetime subscription.  I took the lifetime sub and 
obviously am quid's in now.  Another thing, Tivo is very easy to upgrade 
  and you can even put a web server on it to control the box remotely.

Certainly worth a punt if you can find one on Ebay at a price you like. 
  Look for one that has had a Hdd upgrade as a minimum.

In message , Phil Hoggins 
<Phil_hoggins@yahoodorcodotuk.?.invalid> writes
>Topref wrote:
>> "Steven Campbell"  wrote in message 
>>news:468b73e3$0$8753$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
>>> "Topref"  wrote in message 
>>>news:5f14v5F38rikrU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> "widgitt"  wrote in message 
>>>>news:1183508810.794267.131870@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
>>>>>> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent 
>>>>>>performance.  What
>>>>>> do you guys recommend I go for please?
>>>>> If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
>>>>> close.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
>>>>> there are some easily solved problems.
>>>>>
>>>> It freezes regularly and only the power cable being taken out of 
>>>>the back  for 30 seconds or so clears it. It is mainly for sky 
>>>>recordings so I'll  just have to wait until an improved version 
>>>>appears then.
>>> TIVO. Great bit of equipment.
>>>
>> So does TIVO record sky progs? And I assume that I still pay the £10 
>>to sky  for the priviledge!
>Tivo can record sky, no problem....your biggest issue is getting hold 
>of a Tivo as they are no longer produced in this country.  Any box you 
>may find will more than likely be second hand.  That said I've been 
>running my Tivo since 2003 and have yet to have a single problem or 
>crash, the only down time I've had with it is when there has been a 
>power cut and that's saying something !
>
>I've yet to find another box that matches up to a Tivo and the 
>technology is around 6 years old.  The down side is that it only has a 
>single analogue tuner in it (because of it's age) but I record via 
>scart from a freeview box.  If you are a $ky + user you may miss the 
>ability to record 2 progs at once but apart from that you won't miss a 
>thing (unless you have HD).  Tivo has a subscription model which is 
>£10/month or £200 for a lifetime subscription.  I took the lifetime sub 
>and obviously am quid's in now.  Another thing, Tivo is very easy to 
>upgrade  and you can even put a web server on it to control the box remotely.
>
>Certainly worth a punt if you can find one on Ebay at a price you like. 
>Look for one that has had a Hdd upgrade as a minimum.
>
>
It doesn't forget your series links either (season passes on TiVo) if 
the programme misses a week.

I've got Sky HD too, which I only use for watching HD stuff and as 
backup for TiVo on the rare occasion of a recoding clash with no repeat. 
Original plan was to replace TiVo with Sky+ years ago, but I couldn't do 
it :-) Now the Sky+ has been replaced with Sky HD, but I still can't 
bring myself to ditch the TiVo.
-- 
Sean Black

TIVO does record Sky but only from a Sky Box so you still have one of
these with the usual potential for freezing and locking up in the way
that all Sky boxes do.
The TIVO sends commands to the Sky box to switch channel as necessary
for recording but you cannot then watch a different Sky channel at the
same time.

No, there is no payment to Sky for the recording function, any more
than there would be for using a VCR.....BUT.....Sky have just dropped
the £10 charge for Sky Plus from the 1st of July so long as you are a
subscriber to even the most basic Sky package of channels.

"widgitt"  wrote in message
news:1183594932.484957.195080@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>No, there is no payment to Sky for the recording function, any more
>than there would be for using a VCR.....

That is quite correct, however if you don't pay Sky the £10 subscription you
will have a crippled service.
It won't download the EPG which in turn means you can't activate a season
pass (series link).
Plus I think anything you record won't be labelled.
I'm sure there are other negatives for not subscribing.

Steven.

You need to subscribe to Sky for their programme package but they have
stopped the £10 extra subscription for Sky Plus altogether from 1/7/07
as long as you are a subscriber to at least the basic "2 mix" from the
family pack.

"widgitt"  wrote in message 
news:1183679308.979708.131600@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
You need to subscribe to Sky for their programme package but they have
stopped the £10 extra subscription for Sky Plus altogether from 1/7/07
as long as you are a subscriber to at least the basic "2 mix" from the
family pack.

**************

And that has what to do with Tivo?

T

"Tony" <UaintGetting@it> wrote in message 
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> "widgitt"  wrote in message 
> news:1183679308.979708.131600@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> You need to subscribe to Sky for their programme package but they have
> stopped the £10 extra subscription for Sky Plus altogether from 1/7/07
> as long as you are a subscriber to at least the basic "2 mix" from the
> family pack.
>
> **************
>
> And that has what to do with Tivo?
>
> T
>
>
>

Nothing that I can see - should it have? I must have missed that bit

> > And that has what to do with Tivo?
>
> > T
>
> Nothing that I can see - should it have? I must have missed that bit

I don't think it's got anything to do with TIVO either but Steven
Campbell seeme to think it has.

On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent performance. What
> do you guys recommend I go for please?

If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
close.

What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
there are some easily solved problems.

"widgitt"  wrote in message 
news:1183508810.794267.131870@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
> On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
>> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent performance. 
>> What
>> do you guys recommend I go for please?
>
> If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
> close.
>
> What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
> there are some easily solved problems.
>

It freezes regularly and only the power cable being taken out of the back 
for 30 seconds or so clears it. It is mainly for sky recordings so I'll just 
have to wait until an improved version appears then.

Thanks for the reply

"Topref"  wrote in message 
news:5f14v5F38rikrU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "widgitt"  wrote in message 
> news:1183508810.794267.131870@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>> On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
>>> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent performance. 
>>> What
>>> do you guys recommend I go for please?
>>
>> If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
>> close.
>>
>> What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
>> there are some easily solved problems.
>>
>
> It freezes regularly and only the power cable being taken out of the back 
> for 30 seconds or so clears it. It is mainly for sky recordings so I'll 
> just have to wait until an improved version appears then.

TIVO. Great bit of equipment.

"Steven Campbell"  wrote in message 
news:468b73e3$0$8753$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
>
> "Topref"  wrote in message 
> news:5f14v5F38rikrU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> "widgitt"  wrote in message 
>> news:1183508810.794267.131870@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>>> On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
>>>> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent performance. 
>>>> What
>>>> do you guys recommend I go for please?
>>>
>>> If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
>>> close.
>>>
>>> What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
>>> there are some easily solved problems.
>>>
>>
>> It freezes regularly and only the power cable being taken out of the back 
>> for 30 seconds or so clears it. It is mainly for sky recordings so I'll 
>> just have to wait until an improved version appears then.
>
> TIVO. Great bit of equipment.
>
So does TIVO record sky progs? And I assume that I still pay the £10 to sky 
for the priviledge!

Topref wrote:
> "Steven Campbell"  wrote in message 
> news:468b73e3$0$8753$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
>> "Topref"  wrote in message 
>> news:5f14v5F38rikrU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> "widgitt"  wrote in message 
>>> news:1183508810.794267.131870@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
>>>>> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent performance. 
>>>>> What
>>>>> do you guys recommend I go for please?
>>>> If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
>>>> close.
>>>>
>>>> What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
>>>> there are some easily solved problems.
>>>>
>>> It freezes regularly and only the power cable being taken out of the back 
>>> for 30 seconds or so clears it. It is mainly for sky recordings so I'll 
>>> just have to wait until an improved version appears then.
>> TIVO. Great bit of equipment.
>>
> So does TIVO record sky progs? And I assume that I still pay the £10 to sky 
> for the priviledge! 
> 
> 
Tivo can record sky, no problem....your biggest issue is getting hold of 
a Tivo as they are no longer produced in this country.  Any box you may 
find will more than likely be second hand.  That said I've been running 
my Tivo since 2003 and have yet to have a single problem or crash, the 
only down time I've had with it is when there has been a power cut and 
that's saying something !

I've yet to find another box that matches up to a Tivo and the 
technology is around 6 years old.  The down side is that it only has a 
single analogue tuner in it (because of it's age) but I record via scart 
from a freeview box.  If you are a $ky + user you may miss the ability 
to record 2 progs at once but apart from that you won't miss a thing 
(unless you have HD).  Tivo has a subscription model which is £10/month 
or £200 for a lifetime subscription.  I took the lifetime sub and 
obviously am quid's in now.  Another thing, Tivo is very easy to upgrade 
  and you can even put a web server on it to control the box remotely.

Certainly worth a punt if you can find one on Ebay at a price you like. 
  Look for one that has had a Hdd upgrade as a minimum.

In message , Phil Hoggins 
<Phil_hoggins@yahoodorcodotuk.?.invalid> writes
>Topref wrote:
>> "Steven Campbell"  wrote in message 
>>news:468b73e3$0$8753$ed2619ec@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
>>> "Topref"  wrote in message 
>>>news:5f14v5F38rikrU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> "widgitt"  wrote in message 
>>>>news:1183508810.794267.131870@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> On 3 Jul, 11:18, "Topref"  wrote:
>>>>>> I am looking to replace my sky+ box due to its indifferent 
>>>>>>performance.  What
>>>>>> do you guys recommend I go for please?
>>>>> If it's actual Sky recordings you have no options which come anywhere
>>>>> close.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do you mean by "indifferent performance" by the way. Perhaps
>>>>> there are some easily solved problems.
>>>>>
>>>> It freezes regularly and only the power cable being taken out of 
>>>>the back  for 30 seconds or so clears it. It is mainly for sky 
>>>>recordings so I'll  just have to wait until an improved version 
>>>>appears then.
>>> TIVO. Great bit of equipment.
>>>
>> So does TIVO record sky progs? And I assume that I still pay the £10 
>>to sky  for the priviledge!
>Tivo can record sky, no problem....your biggest issue is getting hold 
>of a Tivo as they are no longer produced in this country.  Any box you 
>may find will more than likely be second hand.  That said I've been 
>running my Tivo since 2003 and have yet to have a single problem or 
>crash, the only down time I've had with it is when there has been a 
>power cut and that's saying something !
>
>I've yet to find another box that matches up to a Tivo and the 
>technology is around 6 years old.  The down side is that it only has a 
>single analogue tuner in it (because of it's age) but I record via 
>scart from a freeview box.  If you are a $ky + user you may miss the 
>ability to record 2 progs at once but apart from that you won't miss a 
>thing (unless you have HD).  Tivo has a subscription model which is 
>£10/month or £200 for a lifetime subscription.  I took the lifetime sub 
>and obviously am quid's in now.  Another thing, Tivo is very easy to 
>upgrade  and you can even put a web server on it to control the box remotely.
>
>Certainly worth a punt if you can find one on Ebay at a price you like. 
>Look for one that has had a Hdd upgrade as a minimum.
>
>
It doesn't forget your series links either (season passes on TiVo) if 
the programme misses a week.

I've got Sky HD too, which I only use for watching HD stuff and as 
backup for TiVo on the rare occasion of a recoding clash with no repeat. 
Original plan was to replace TiVo with Sky+ years ago, but I couldn't do 
it :-) Now the Sky+ has been replaced with Sky HD, but I still can't 
bring myself to ditch the TiVo.
-- 
Sean Black

TIVO does record Sky but only from a Sky Box so you still have one of
these with the usual potential for freezing and locking up in the way
that all Sky boxes do.
The TIVO sends commands to the Sky box to switch channel as necessary
for recording but you cannot then watch a different Sky channel at the
same time.

No, there is no payment to Sky for the recording function, any more
than there would be for using a VCR.....BUT.....Sky have just dropped
the £10 charge for Sky Plus from the 1st of July so long as you are a
subscriber to even the most basic Sky package of channels.

"widgitt"  wrote in message
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