New Topfield model due yet?
Just considering buying a Topfield TF5800PVR from John Lewis but wondered if
there is likely to be a replacement model out in the next couple of
weeks/months.
This usually happens when I eventually buy in to a technology (I got rid of my
Phillips V2000 machine a few years ago...)
Geo
date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 19:07:24 GMT
author: Geo
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 19:07:24 GMT, Geo
wrote:
>Just considering buying a Topfield TF5800PVR from John Lewis but wondered if
>there is likely to be a replacement model out in the next couple of
>weeks/months.
>This usually happens when I eventually buy in to a technology (I got rid of my
>Phillips V2000 machine a few years ago...)
I can't see why there would be a new model, the existing one works
great, and until the HDTV issue is worked out, I can't see the need
for a new one.
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date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:36:08 +0100
author: Andrew
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:36:08 +0100, Andrew wrote:
>I can't see why there would be a new model, the existing one works
>great, and until the HDTV issue is worked out, I can't see the need
>for a new one.
I was wondering about them bringing out a wireless-connected model similar to
their TF6000PVR. My computer isnot in the same room as the TV etc so USB is a
bit difficult (and I have a wireless network).
date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 13:26:28 GMT
author: Geo
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
Geo wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:36:08 +0100, Andrew wrote:
>
>> I can't see why there would be a new model, the existing one works
>> great, and until the HDTV issue is worked out, I can't see the need
>> for a new one.
>
> I was wondering about them bringing out a wireless-connected model similar to
> their TF6000PVR. My computer isnot in the same room as the TV etc so USB is a
> bit difficult (and I have a wireless network).
Using something like the NSLU2 is the generally accepted work around for
this.
Geoff
date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 14:42:31 +0100
author: Geoff Winkless
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
On 04/06/2007, Geo wrote in message
:
> Just considering buying a Topfield TF5800PVR from John Lewis but
> wondered if there is likely to be a replacement model out in the next
> couple of weeks/months.
Not that we know of.
More than you could ever want to know about that model:
<http://www.toppy.org.uk/>
Simon.
--
http://www.hearsay.demon.co.uk
date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:36:49 +0100
author: Simon Slavin
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:36:49 +0100, Simon Slavin
wrote:
>More than you could ever want to know about that model:
>
><http://www.toppy.org.uk/>
>
Yes I spent a few hours there and found out that Currys are selling them for
£250. Checked via the web site that they were in stock and drove 10 miles to the
store. Nothing on display so asked the assistant in the TV area if they had a
Topfield PVR. He starts looking at the kettles - so I said no, its a topfield
personal video recorder. He says is that a top-loader? I said no, that is the
manufacturer. I told him about their lying website and drove back home to email
their customer services. The web site still says they are in-stock at this
particular store...
Geo
date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:36:58 GMT
author: Geo
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
"Geo" wrote in message
news:679g635seki79h9tp98p9mbbllga0uqdiu@4ax.com...
>drove back home to email
> their customer services. The web site still says they are in-stock at this
> particular store...
>
>
> Geo
Yes... But they live electricals ;-)
I had a conversation a couple of weeks back with one of their sales monkeys.
I was trying to read all the spec on the label of a Tosh widescreen when I
was 'helpfully' interupted by one of the afforementioned.
He felt it his duty to tell me that 'HE' had just reduced its price and now
would be absolutely the best time to buy.
I explained my situation that I would be looking at a Sony or Tosh LCD as
soon as my old set coughs its last, and added my expectation that 'HE' would
probably have had to reduce it some more by then.
"OH NO, they aren't ever going to get any cheaper than this!"
We had to agree to disagree on that one, after all twenty five years in the
trade can't compete with the ignorance imparted by one or two sales
pep-talks.
Djimbo.
--
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date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 09:18:07 +0100
author: djimbo
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
djimbo wrote:
> "OH NO, they aren't ever going to get any cheaper than this!"
It probably won't, in Currys. They'll sell at that price and then
they'll get the new models in.
Geoff
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:50:08 +0100
author: Geoff Winkless
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 19:07:24 GMT, Geo
wrote:
>Just considering buying a Topfield TF5800PVR from John Lewis but wondered if
>there is likely to be a replacement model out in the next couple of
>weeks/months.
>This usually happens when I eventually buy in to a technology (I got rid of my
>Phillips V2000 machine a few years ago...)
I can't see why there would be a new model, the existing one works
great, and until the HDTV issue is worked out, I can't see the need
for a new one.
--
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date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:36:08 +0100
author: Andrew
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:36:08 +0100, Andrew wrote:
>I can't see why there would be a new model, the existing one works
>great, and until the HDTV issue is worked out, I can't see the need
>for a new one.
I was wondering about them bringing out a wireless-connected model similar to
their TF6000PVR. My computer isnot in the same room as the TV etc so USB is a
bit difficult (and I have a wireless network).
date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 13:26:28 GMT
author: Geo
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
Geo wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:36:08 +0100, Andrew wrote:
>
>> I can't see why there would be a new model, the existing one works
>> great, and until the HDTV issue is worked out, I can't see the need
>> for a new one.
>
> I was wondering about them bringing out a wireless-connected model similar to
> their TF6000PVR. My computer isnot in the same room as the TV etc so USB is a
> bit difficult (and I have a wireless network).
Using something like the NSLU2 is the generally accepted work around for
this.
Geoff
date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 14:42:31 +0100
author: Geoff Winkless
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
On 04/06/2007, Geo wrote in message
:
> Just considering buying a Topfield TF5800PVR from John Lewis but
> wondered if there is likely to be a replacement model out in the next
> couple of weeks/months.
Not that we know of.
More than you could ever want to know about that model:
<http://www.toppy.org.uk/>
Simon.
--
http://www.hearsay.demon.co.uk
date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:36:49 +0100
author: Simon Slavin
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:36:49 +0100, Simon Slavin
wrote:
>More than you could ever want to know about that model:
>
><http://www.toppy.org.uk/>
>
Yes I spent a few hours there and found out that Currys are selling them for
£250. Checked via the web site that they were in stock and drove 10 miles to the
store. Nothing on display so asked the assistant in the TV area if they had a
Topfield PVR. He starts looking at the kettles - so I said no, its a topfield
personal video recorder. He says is that a top-loader? I said no, that is the
manufacturer. I told him about their lying website and drove back home to email
their customer services. The web site still says they are in-stock at this
particular store...
Geo
date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:36:58 GMT
author: Geo
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
"Geo" wrote in message
news:679g635seki79h9tp98p9mbbllga0uqdiu@4ax.com...
>drove back home to email
> their customer services. The web site still says they are in-stock at this
> particular store...
>
>
> Geo
Yes... But they live electricals ;-)
I had a conversation a couple of weeks back with one of their sales monkeys.
I was trying to read all the spec on the label of a Tosh widescreen when I
was 'helpfully' interupted by one of the afforementioned.
He felt it his duty to tell me that 'HE' had just reduced its price and now
would be absolutely the best time to buy.
I explained my situation that I would be looking at a Sony or Tosh LCD as
soon as my old set coughs its last, and added my expectation that 'HE' would
probably have had to reduce it some more by then.
"OH NO, they aren't ever going to get any cheaper than this!"
We had to agree to disagree on that one, after all twenty five years in the
trade can't compete with the ignorance imparted by one or two sales
pep-talks.
Djimbo.
--
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date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 09:18:07 +0100
author: djimbo
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
djimbo wrote:
> "OH NO, they aren't ever going to get any cheaper than this!"
It probably won't, in Currys. They'll sell at that price and then
they'll get the new models in.
Geoff
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:50:08 +0100
author: Geoff Winkless
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 19:07:24 GMT, Geo
wrote:
>Just considering buying a Topfield TF5800PVR from John Lewis but wondered if
>there is likely to be a replacement model out in the next couple of
>weeks/months.
>This usually happens when I eventually buy in to a technology (I got rid of my
>Phillips V2000 machine a few years ago...)
I can't see why there would be a new model, the existing one works
great, and until the HDTV issue is worked out, I can't see the need
for a new one.
--
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date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:36:08 +0100
author: Andrew
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:36:08 +0100, Andrew wrote:
>I can't see why there would be a new model, the existing one works
>great, and until the HDTV issue is worked out, I can't see the need
>for a new one.
I was wondering about them bringing out a wireless-connected model similar to
their TF6000PVR. My computer isnot in the same room as the TV etc so USB is a
bit difficult (and I have a wireless network).
date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 13:26:28 GMT
author: Geo
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
Geo wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:36:08 +0100, Andrew wrote:
>
>> I can't see why there would be a new model, the existing one works
>> great, and until the HDTV issue is worked out, I can't see the need
>> for a new one.
>
> I was wondering about them bringing out a wireless-connected model similar to
> their TF6000PVR. My computer isnot in the same room as the TV etc so USB is a
> bit difficult (and I have a wireless network).
Using something like the NSLU2 is the generally accepted work around for
this.
Geoff
date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 14:42:31 +0100
author: Geoff Winkless
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
On 04/06/2007, Geo wrote in message
:
> Just considering buying a Topfield TF5800PVR from John Lewis but
> wondered if there is likely to be a replacement model out in the next
> couple of weeks/months.
Not that we know of.
More than you could ever want to know about that model:
<http://www.toppy.org.uk/>
Simon.
--
http://www.hearsay.demon.co.uk
date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:36:49 +0100
author: Simon Slavin
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:36:49 +0100, Simon Slavin
wrote:
>More than you could ever want to know about that model:
>
><http://www.toppy.org.uk/>
>
Yes I spent a few hours there and found out that Currys are selling them for
£250. Checked via the web site that they were in stock and drove 10 miles to the
store. Nothing on display so asked the assistant in the TV area if they had a
Topfield PVR. He starts looking at the kettles - so I said no, its a topfield
personal video recorder. He says is that a top-loader? I said no, that is the
manufacturer. I told him about their lying website and drove back home to email
their customer services. The web site still says they are in-stock at this
particular store...
Geo
date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:36:58 GMT
author: Geo
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
"Geo" wrote in message
news:679g635seki79h9tp98p9mbbllga0uqdiu@4ax.com...
>drove back home to email
> their customer services. The web site still says they are in-stock at this
> particular store...
>
>
> Geo
Yes... But they live electricals ;-)
I had a conversation a couple of weeks back with one of their sales monkeys.
I was trying to read all the spec on the label of a Tosh widescreen when I
was 'helpfully' interupted by one of the afforementioned.
He felt it his duty to tell me that 'HE' had just reduced its price and now
would be absolutely the best time to buy.
I explained my situation that I would be looking at a Sony or Tosh LCD as
soon as my old set coughs its last, and added my expectation that 'HE' would
probably have had to reduce it some more by then.
"OH NO, they aren't ever going to get any cheaper than this!"
We had to agree to disagree on that one, after all twenty five years in the
trade can't compete with the ignorance imparted by one or two sales
pep-talks.
Djimbo.
--
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date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 09:18:07 +0100
author: djimbo
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
djimbo wrote:
> "OH NO, they aren't ever going to get any cheaper than this!"
It probably won't, in Currys. They'll sell at that price and then
they'll get the new models in.
Geoff
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:50:08 +0100
author: Geoff Winkless
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 19:07:24 GMT, Geo
wrote:
>Just considering buying a Topfield TF5800PVR from John Lewis but wondered if
>there is likely to be a replacement model out in the next couple of
>weeks/months.
>This usually happens when I eventually buy in to a technology (I got rid of my
>Phillips V2000 machine a few years ago...)
I can't see why there would be a new model, the existing one works
great, and until the HDTV issue is worked out, I can't see the need
for a new one.
--
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date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:36:08 +0100
author: Andrew
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:36:08 +0100, Andrew wrote:
>I can't see why there would be a new model, the existing one works
>great, and until the HDTV issue is worked out, I can't see the need
>for a new one.
I was wondering about them bringing out a wireless-connected model similar to
their TF6000PVR. My computer isnot in the same room as the TV etc so USB is a
bit difficult (and I have a wireless network).
date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 13:26:28 GMT
author: Geo
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
Geo wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:36:08 +0100, Andrew wrote:
>
>> I can't see why there would be a new model, the existing one works
>> great, and until the HDTV issue is worked out, I can't see the need
>> for a new one.
>
> I was wondering about them bringing out a wireless-connected model similar to
> their TF6000PVR. My computer isnot in the same room as the TV etc so USB is a
> bit difficult (and I have a wireless network).
Using something like the NSLU2 is the generally accepted work around for
this.
Geoff
date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 14:42:31 +0100
author: Geoff Winkless
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
On 04/06/2007, Geo wrote in message
:
> Just considering buying a Topfield TF5800PVR from John Lewis but
> wondered if there is likely to be a replacement model out in the next
> couple of weeks/months.
Not that we know of.
More than you could ever want to know about that model:
<http://www.toppy.org.uk/>
Simon.
--
http://www.hearsay.demon.co.uk
date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:36:49 +0100
author: Simon Slavin
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:36:49 +0100, Simon Slavin
wrote:
>More than you could ever want to know about that model:
>
><http://www.toppy.org.uk/>
>
Yes I spent a few hours there and found out that Currys are selling them for
£250. Checked via the web site that they were in stock and drove 10 miles to the
store. Nothing on display so asked the assistant in the TV area if they had a
Topfield PVR. He starts looking at the kettles - so I said no, its a topfield
personal video recorder. He says is that a top-loader? I said no, that is the
manufacturer. I told him about their lying website and drove back home to email
their customer services. The web site still says they are in-stock at this
particular store...
Geo
date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:36:58 GMT
author: Geo
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
"Geo" wrote in message
news:679g635seki79h9tp98p9mbbllga0uqdiu@4ax.com...
>drove back home to email
> their customer services. The web site still says they are in-stock at this
> particular store...
>
>
> Geo
Yes... But they live electricals ;-)
I had a conversation a couple of weeks back with one of their sales monkeys.
I was trying to read all the spec on the label of a Tosh widescreen when I
was 'helpfully' interupted by one of the afforementioned.
He felt it his duty to tell me that 'HE' had just reduced its price and now
would be absolutely the best time to buy.
I explained my situation that I would be looking at a Sony or Tosh LCD as
soon as my old set coughs its last, and added my expectation that 'HE' would
probably have had to reduce it some more by then.
"OH NO, they aren't ever going to get any cheaper than this!"
We had to agree to disagree on that one, after all twenty five years in the
trade can't compete with the ignorance imparted by one or two sales
pep-talks.
Djimbo.
--
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date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 09:18:07 +0100
author: djimbo
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
djimbo wrote:
> "OH NO, they aren't ever going to get any cheaper than this!"
It probably won't, in Currys. They'll sell at that price and then
they'll get the new models in.
Geoff
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:50:08 +0100
author: Geoff Winkless
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 19:07:24 GMT, Geo
wrote:
>Just considering buying a Topfield TF5800PVR from John Lewis but wondered if
>there is likely to be a replacement model out in the next couple of
>weeks/months.
>This usually happens when I eventually buy in to a technology (I got rid of my
>Phillips V2000 machine a few years ago...)
I can't see why there would be a new model, the existing one works
great, and until the HDTV issue is worked out, I can't see the need
for a new one.
--
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date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:36:08 +0100
author: Andrew
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:36:08 +0100, Andrew wrote:
>I can't see why there would be a new model, the existing one works
>great, and until the HDTV issue is worked out, I can't see the need
>for a new one.
I was wondering about them bringing out a wireless-connected model similar to
their TF6000PVR. My computer isnot in the same room as the TV etc so USB is a
bit difficult (and I have a wireless network).
date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 13:26:28 GMT
author: Geo
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
Geo wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:36:08 +0100, Andrew wrote:
>
>> I can't see why there would be a new model, the existing one works
>> great, and until the HDTV issue is worked out, I can't see the need
>> for a new one.
>
> I was wondering about them bringing out a wireless-connected model similar to
> their TF6000PVR. My computer isnot in the same room as the TV etc so USB is a
> bit difficult (and I have a wireless network).
Using something like the NSLU2 is the generally accepted work around for
this.
Geoff
date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 14:42:31 +0100
author: Geoff Winkless
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
On 04/06/2007, Geo wrote in message
:
> Just considering buying a Topfield TF5800PVR from John Lewis but
> wondered if there is likely to be a replacement model out in the next
> couple of weeks/months.
Not that we know of.
More than you could ever want to know about that model:
<http://www.toppy.org.uk/>
Simon.
--
http://www.hearsay.demon.co.uk
date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:36:49 +0100
author: Simon Slavin
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:36:49 +0100, Simon Slavin
wrote:
>More than you could ever want to know about that model:
>
><http://www.toppy.org.uk/>
>
Yes I spent a few hours there and found out that Currys are selling them for
£250. Checked via the web site that they were in stock and drove 10 miles to the
store. Nothing on display so asked the assistant in the TV area if they had a
Topfield PVR. He starts looking at the kettles - so I said no, its a topfield
personal video recorder. He says is that a top-loader? I said no, that is the
manufacturer. I told him about their lying website and drove back home to email
their customer services. The web site still says they are in-stock at this
particular store...
Geo
date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:36:58 GMT
author: Geo
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
"Geo" wrote in message
news:679g635seki79h9tp98p9mbbllga0uqdiu@4ax.com...
>drove back home to email
> their customer services. The web site still says they are in-stock at this
> particular store...
>
>
> Geo
Yes... But they live electricals ;-)
I had a conversation a couple of weeks back with one of their sales monkeys.
I was trying to read all the spec on the label of a Tosh widescreen when I
was 'helpfully' interupted by one of the afforementioned.
He felt it his duty to tell me that 'HE' had just reduced its price and now
would be absolutely the best time to buy.
I explained my situation that I would be looking at a Sony or Tosh LCD as
soon as my old set coughs its last, and added my expectation that 'HE' would
probably have had to reduce it some more by then.
"OH NO, they aren't ever going to get any cheaper than this!"
We had to agree to disagree on that one, after all twenty five years in the
trade can't compete with the ignorance imparted by one or two sales
pep-talks.
Djimbo.
--
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date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 09:18:07 +0100
author: djimbo
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
djimbo wrote:
> "OH NO, they aren't ever going to get any cheaper than this!"
It probably won't, in Currys. They'll sell at that price and then
they'll get the new models in.
Geoff
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:50:08 +0100
author: Geoff Winkless
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 19:07:24 GMT, Geo
wrote:
>Just considering buying a Topfield TF5800PVR from John Lewis but wondered if
>there is likely to be a replacement model out in the next couple of
>weeks/months.
>This usually happens when I eventually buy in to a technology (I got rid of my
>Phillips V2000 machine a few years ago...)
I can't see why there would be a new model, the existing one works
great, and until the HDTV issue is worked out, I can't see the need
for a new one.
--
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date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:36:08 +0100
author: Andrew
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:36:08 +0100, Andrew wrote:
>I can't see why there would be a new model, the existing one works
>great, and until the HDTV issue is worked out, I can't see the need
>for a new one.
I was wondering about them bringing out a wireless-connected model similar to
their TF6000PVR. My computer isnot in the same room as the TV etc so USB is a
bit difficult (and I have a wireless network).
date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 13:26:28 GMT
author: Geo
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
Geo wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:36:08 +0100, Andrew wrote:
>
>> I can't see why there would be a new model, the existing one works
>> great, and until the HDTV issue is worked out, I can't see the need
>> for a new one.
>
> I was wondering about them bringing out a wireless-connected model similar to
> their TF6000PVR. My computer isnot in the same room as the TV etc so USB is a
> bit difficult (and I have a wireless network).
Using something like the NSLU2 is the generally accepted work around for
this.
Geoff
date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 14:42:31 +0100
author: Geoff Winkless
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
On 04/06/2007, Geo wrote in message
:
> Just considering buying a Topfield TF5800PVR from John Lewis but
> wondered if there is likely to be a replacement model out in the next
> couple of weeks/months.
Not that we know of.
More than you could ever want to know about that model:
<http://www.toppy.org.uk/>
Simon.
--
http://www.hearsay.demon.co.uk
date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:36:49 +0100
author: Simon Slavin
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:36:49 +0100, Simon Slavin
wrote:
>More than you could ever want to know about that model:
>
><http://www.toppy.org.uk/>
>
Yes I spent a few hours there and found out that Currys are selling them for
£250. Checked via the web site that they were in stock and drove 10 miles to the
store. Nothing on display so asked the assistant in the TV area if they had a
Topfield PVR. He starts looking at the kettles - so I said no, its a topfield
personal video recorder. He says is that a top-loader? I said no, that is the
manufacturer. I told him about their lying website and drove back home to email
their customer services. The web site still says they are in-stock at this
particular store...
Geo
date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:36:58 GMT
author: Geo
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
"Geo" wrote in message
news:679g635seki79h9tp98p9mbbllga0uqdiu@4ax.com...
>drove back home to email
> their customer services. The web site still says they are in-stock at this
> particular store...
>
>
> Geo
Yes... But they live electricals ;-)
I had a conversation a couple of weeks back with one of their sales monkeys.
I was trying to read all the spec on the label of a Tosh widescreen when I
was 'helpfully' interupted by one of the afforementioned.
He felt it his duty to tell me that 'HE' had just reduced its price and now
would be absolutely the best time to buy.
I explained my situation that I would be looking at a Sony or Tosh LCD as
soon as my old set coughs its last, and added my expectation that 'HE' would
probably have had to reduce it some more by then.
"OH NO, they aren't ever going to get any cheaper than this!"
We had to agree to disagree on that one, after all twenty five years in the
trade can't compete with the ignorance imparted by one or two sales
pep-talks.
Djimbo.
--
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date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 09:18:07 +0100
author: djimbo
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
djimbo wrote:
> "OH NO, they aren't ever going to get any cheaper than this!"
It probably won't, in Currys. They'll sell at that price and then
they'll get the new models in.
Geoff
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:50:08 +0100
author: Geoff Winkless
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 19:07:24 GMT, Geo
wrote:
>Just considering buying a Topfield TF5800PVR from John Lewis but wondered if
>there is likely to be a replacement model out in the next couple of
>weeks/months.
>This usually happens when I eventually buy in to a technology (I got rid of my
>Phillips V2000 machine a few years ago...)
I can't see why there would be a new model, the existing one works
great, and until the HDTV issue is worked out, I can't see the need
for a new one.
--
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date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:36:08 +0100
author: Andrew
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:36:08 +0100, Andrew wrote:
>I can't see why there would be a new model, the existing one works
>great, and until the HDTV issue is worked out, I can't see the need
>for a new one.
I was wondering about them bringing out a wireless-connected model similar to
their TF6000PVR. My computer isnot in the same room as the TV etc so USB is a
bit difficult (and I have a wireless network).
date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 13:26:28 GMT
author: Geo
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
Geo wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:36:08 +0100, Andrew wrote:
>
>> I can't see why there would be a new model, the existing one works
>> great, and until the HDTV issue is worked out, I can't see the need
>> for a new one.
>
> I was wondering about them bringing out a wireless-connected model similar to
> their TF6000PVR. My computer isnot in the same room as the TV etc so USB is a
> bit difficult (and I have a wireless network).
Using something like the NSLU2 is the generally accepted work around for
this.
Geoff
date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 14:42:31 +0100
author: Geoff Winkless
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
On 04/06/2007, Geo wrote in message
:
> Just considering buying a Topfield TF5800PVR from John Lewis but
> wondered if there is likely to be a replacement model out in the next
> couple of weeks/months.
Not that we know of.
More than you could ever want to know about that model:
<http://www.toppy.org.uk/>
Simon.
--
http://www.hearsay.demon.co.uk
date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:36:49 +0100
author: Simon Slavin
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:36:49 +0100, Simon Slavin
wrote:
>More than you could ever want to know about that model:
>
><http://www.toppy.org.uk/>
>
Yes I spent a few hours there and found out that Currys are selling them for
£250. Checked via the web site that they were in stock and drove 10 miles to the
store. Nothing on display so asked the assistant in the TV area if they had a
Topfield PVR. He starts looking at the kettles - so I said no, its a topfield
personal video recorder. He says is that a top-loader? I said no, that is the
manufacturer. I told him about their lying website and drove back home to email
their customer services. The web site still says they are in-stock at this
particular store...
Geo
date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:36:58 GMT
author: Geo
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
"Geo" wrote in message
news:679g635seki79h9tp98p9mbbllga0uqdiu@4ax.com...
>drove back home to email
> their customer services. The web site still says they are in-stock at this
> particular store...
>
>
> Geo
Yes... But they live electricals ;-)
I had a conversation a couple of weeks back with one of their sales monkeys.
I was trying to read all the spec on the label of a Tosh widescreen when I
was 'helpfully' interupted by one of the afforementioned.
He felt it his duty to tell me that 'HE' had just reduced its price and now
would be absolutely the best time to buy.
I explained my situation that I would be looking at a Sony or Tosh LCD as
soon as my old set coughs its last, and added my expectation that 'HE' would
probably have had to reduce it some more by then.
"OH NO, they aren't ever going to get any cheaper than this!"
We had to agree to disagree on that one, after all twenty five years in the
trade can't compete with the ignorance imparted by one or two sales
pep-talks.
Djimbo.
--
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date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 09:18:07 +0100
author: djimbo
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
djimbo wrote:
> "OH NO, they aren't ever going to get any cheaper than this!"
It probably won't, in Currys. They'll sell at that price and then
they'll get the new models in.
Geoff
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:50:08 +0100
author: Geoff Winkless
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 19:07:24 GMT, Geo
wrote:
>Just considering buying a Topfield TF5800PVR from John Lewis but wondered if
>there is likely to be a replacement model out in the next couple of
>weeks/months.
>This usually happens when I eventually buy in to a technology (I got rid of my
>Phillips V2000 machine a few years ago...)
I can't see why there would be a new model, the existing one works
great, and until the HDTV issue is worked out, I can't see the need
for a new one.
--
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date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:36:08 +0100
author: Andrew
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:36:08 +0100, Andrew wrote:
>I can't see why there would be a new model, the existing one works
>great, and until the HDTV issue is worked out, I can't see the need
>for a new one.
I was wondering about them bringing out a wireless-connected model similar to
their TF6000PVR. My computer isnot in the same room as the TV etc so USB is a
bit difficult (and I have a wireless network).
date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 13:26:28 GMT
author: Geo
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
Geo wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:36:08 +0100, Andrew wrote:
>
>> I can't see why there would be a new model, the existing one works
>> great, and until the HDTV issue is worked out, I can't see the need
>> for a new one.
>
> I was wondering about them bringing out a wireless-connected model similar to
> their TF6000PVR. My computer isnot in the same room as the TV etc so USB is a
> bit difficult (and I have a wireless network).
Using something like the NSLU2 is the generally accepted work around for
this.
Geoff
date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 14:42:31 +0100
author: Geoff Winkless
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
On 04/06/2007, Geo wrote in message
:
> Just considering buying a Topfield TF5800PVR from John Lewis but
> wondered if there is likely to be a replacement model out in the next
> couple of weeks/months.
Not that we know of.
More than you could ever want to know about that model:
<http://www.toppy.org.uk/>
Simon.
--
http://www.hearsay.demon.co.uk
date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:36:49 +0100
author: Simon Slavin
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:36:49 +0100, Simon Slavin
wrote:
>More than you could ever want to know about that model:
>
><http://www.toppy.org.uk/>
>
Yes I spent a few hours there and found out that Currys are selling them for
£250. Checked via the web site that they were in stock and drove 10 miles to the
store. Nothing on display so asked the assistant in the TV area if they had a
Topfield PVR. He starts looking at the kettles - so I said no, its a topfield
personal video recorder. He says is that a top-loader? I said no, that is the
manufacturer. I told him about their lying website and drove back home to email
their customer services. The web site still says they are in-stock at this
particular store...
Geo
date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:36:58 GMT
author: Geo
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
"Geo" wrote in message
news:679g635seki79h9tp98p9mbbllga0uqdiu@4ax.com...
>drove back home to email
> their customer services. The web site still says they are in-stock at this
> particular store...
>
>
> Geo
Yes... But they live electricals ;-)
I had a conversation a couple of weeks back with one of their sales monkeys.
I was trying to read all the spec on the label of a Tosh widescreen when I
was 'helpfully' interupted by one of the afforementioned.
He felt it his duty to tell me that 'HE' had just reduced its price and now
would be absolutely the best time to buy.
I explained my situation that I would be looking at a Sony or Tosh LCD as
soon as my old set coughs its last, and added my expectation that 'HE' would
probably have had to reduce it some more by then.
"OH NO, they aren't ever going to get any cheaper than this!"
We had to agree to disagree on that one, after all twenty five years in the
trade can't compete with the ignorance imparted by one or two sales
pep-talks.
Djimbo.
--
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date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 09:18:07 +0100
author: djimbo
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
djimbo wrote:
> "OH NO, they aren't ever going to get any cheaper than this!"
It probably won't, in Currys. They'll sell at that price and then
they'll get the new models in.
Geoff
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:50:08 +0100
author: Geoff Winkless
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 19:07:24 GMT, Geo
wrote:
>Just considering buying a Topfield TF5800PVR from John Lewis but wondered if
>there is likely to be a replacement model out in the next couple of
>weeks/months.
>This usually happens when I eventually buy in to a technology (I got rid of my
>Phillips V2000 machine a few years ago...)
I can't see why there would be a new model, the existing one works
great, and until the HDTV issue is worked out, I can't see the need
for a new one.
--
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date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:36:08 +0100
author: Andrew
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:36:08 +0100, Andrew wrote:
>I can't see why there would be a new model, the existing one works
>great, and until the HDTV issue is worked out, I can't see the need
>for a new one.
I was wondering about them bringing out a wireless-connected model similar to
their TF6000PVR. My computer isnot in the same room as the TV etc so USB is a
bit difficult (and I have a wireless network).
date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 13:26:28 GMT
author: Geo
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
Geo wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:36:08 +0100, Andrew wrote:
>
>> I can't see why there would be a new model, the existing one works
>> great, and until the HDTV issue is worked out, I can't see the need
>> for a new one.
>
> I was wondering about them bringing out a wireless-connected model similar to
> their TF6000PVR. My computer isnot in the same room as the TV etc so USB is a
> bit difficult (and I have a wireless network).
Using something like the NSLU2 is the generally accepted work around for
this.
Geoff
date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 14:42:31 +0100
author: Geoff Winkless
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
On 04/06/2007, Geo wrote in message
:
> Just considering buying a Topfield TF5800PVR from John Lewis but
> wondered if there is likely to be a replacement model out in the next
> couple of weeks/months.
Not that we know of.
More than you could ever want to know about that model:
<http://www.toppy.org.uk/>
Simon.
--
http://www.hearsay.demon.co.uk
date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:36:49 +0100
author: Simon Slavin
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:36:49 +0100, Simon Slavin
wrote:
>More than you could ever want to know about that model:
>
><http://www.toppy.org.uk/>
>
Yes I spent a few hours there and found out that Currys are selling them for
£250. Checked via the web site that they were in stock and drove 10 miles to the
store. Nothing on display so asked the assistant in the TV area if they had a
Topfield PVR. He starts looking at the kettles - so I said no, its a topfield
personal video recorder. He says is that a top-loader? I said no, that is the
manufacturer. I told him about their lying website and drove back home to email
their customer services. The web site still says they are in-stock at this
particular store...
Geo
date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:36:58 GMT
author: Geo
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
"Geo" wrote in message
news:679g635seki79h9tp98p9mbbllga0uqdiu@4ax.com...
>drove back home to email
> their customer services. The web site still says they are in-stock at this
> particular store...
>
>
> Geo
Yes... But they live electricals ;-)
I had a conversation a couple of weeks back with one of their sales monkeys.
I was trying to read all the spec on the label of a Tosh widescreen when I
was 'helpfully' interupted by one of the afforementioned.
He felt it his duty to tell me that 'HE' had just reduced its price and now
would be absolutely the best time to buy.
I explained my situation that I would be looking at a Sony or Tosh LCD as
soon as my old set coughs its last, and added my expectation that 'HE' would
probably have had to reduce it some more by then.
"OH NO, they aren't ever going to get any cheaper than this!"
We had to agree to disagree on that one, after all twenty five years in the
trade can't compete with the ignorance imparted by one or two sales
pep-talks.
Djimbo.
--
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date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 09:18:07 +0100
author: djimbo
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
djimbo wrote:
> "OH NO, they aren't ever going to get any cheaper than this!"
It probably won't, in Currys. They'll sell at that price and then
they'll get the new models in.
Geoff
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:50:08 +0100
author: Geoff Winkless
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 19:07:24 GMT, Geo
wrote:
>Just considering buying a Topfield TF5800PVR from John Lewis but wondered if
>there is likely to be a replacement model out in the next couple of
>weeks/months.
>This usually happens when I eventually buy in to a technology (I got rid of my
>Phillips V2000 machine a few years ago...)
I can't see why there would be a new model, the existing one works
great, and until the HDTV issue is worked out, I can't see the need
for a new one.
--
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date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:36:08 +0100
author: Andrew
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:36:08 +0100, Andrew wrote:
>I can't see why there would be a new model, the existing one works
>great, and until the HDTV issue is worked out, I can't see the need
>for a new one.
I was wondering about them bringing out a wireless-connected model similar to
their TF6000PVR. My computer isnot in the same room as the TV etc so USB is a
bit difficult (and I have a wireless network).
date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 13:26:28 GMT
author: Geo
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
Geo wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 08:36:08 +0100, Andrew wrote:
>
>> I can't see why there would be a new model, the existing one works
>> great, and until the HDTV issue is worked out, I can't see the need
>> for a new one.
>
> I was wondering about them bringing out a wireless-connected model similar to
> their TF6000PVR. My computer isnot in the same room as the TV etc so USB is a
> bit difficult (and I have a wireless network).
Using something like the NSLU2 is the generally accepted work around for
this.
Geoff
date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 14:42:31 +0100
author: Geoff Winkless
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
On 04/06/2007, Geo wrote in message
:
> Just considering buying a Topfield TF5800PVR from John Lewis but
> wondered if there is likely to be a replacement model out in the next
> couple of weeks/months.
Not that we know of.
More than you could ever want to know about that model:
<http://www.toppy.org.uk/>
Simon.
--
http://www.hearsay.demon.co.uk
date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:36:49 +0100
author: Simon Slavin
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:36:49 +0100, Simon Slavin
wrote:
>More than you could ever want to know about that model:
>
><http://www.toppy.org.uk/>
>
Yes I spent a few hours there and found out that Currys are selling them for
£250. Checked via the web site that they were in stock and drove 10 miles to the
store. Nothing on display so asked the assistant in the TV area if they had a
Topfield PVR. He starts looking at the kettles - so I said no, its a topfield
personal video recorder. He says is that a top-loader? I said no, that is the
manufacturer. I told him about their lying website and drove back home to email
their customer services. The web site still says they are in-stock at this
particular store...
Geo
date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:36:58 GMT
author: Geo
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
"Geo" wrote in message
news:679g635seki79h9tp98p9mbbllga0uqdiu@4ax.com...
>drove back home to email
> their customer services. The web site still says they are in-stock at this
> particular store...
>
>
> Geo
Yes... But they live electricals ;-)
I had a conversation a couple of weeks back with one of their sales monkeys.
I was trying to read all the spec on the label of a Tosh widescreen when I
was 'helpfully' interupted by one of the afforementioned.
He felt it his duty to tell me that 'HE' had just reduced its price and now
would be absolutely the best time to buy.
I explained my situation that I would be looking at a Sony or Tosh LCD as
soon as my old set coughs its last, and added my expectation that 'HE' would
probably have had to reduce it some more by then.
"OH NO, they aren't ever going to get any cheaper than this!"
We had to agree to disagree on that one, after all twenty five years in the
trade can't compete with the ignorance imparted by one or two sales
pep-talks.
Djimbo.
--
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date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 09:18:07 +0100
author: djimbo
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
djimbo wrote:
> "OH NO, they aren't ever going to get any cheaper than this!"
It probably won't, in Currys. They'll sell at that price and then
they'll get the new models in.
Geoff
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:50:08 +0100
author: Geoff Winkless
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 22:36:49 +0100, Simon Slavin
wrote:
>More than you could ever want to know about that model:
>
><http://www.toppy.org.uk/>
>
Yes I spent a few hours there and found out that Currys are selling them for
£250. Checked via the web site that they were in stock and drove 10 miles to the
store. Nothing on display so asked the assistant in the TV area if they had a
Topfield PVR. He starts looking at the kettles - so I said no, its a topfield
personal video recorder. He says is that a top-loader? I said no, that is the
manufacturer. I told him about their lying website and drove back home to email
their customer services. The web site still says they are in-stock at this
particular store...
Geo
date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 15:36:58 GMT
author: Geo
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
"Geo" wrote in message
news:679g635seki79h9tp98p9mbbllga0uqdiu@4ax.com...
>drove back home to email
> their customer services. The web site still says they are in-stock at this
> particular store...
>
>
> Geo
Yes... But they live electricals ;-)
I had a conversation a couple of weeks back with one of their sales monkeys.
I was trying to read all the spec on the label of a Tosh widescreen when I
was 'helpfully' interupted by one of the afforementioned.
He felt it his duty to tell me that 'HE' had just reduced its price and now
would be absolutely the best time to buy.
I explained my situation that I would be looking at a Sony or Tosh LCD as
soon as my old set coughs its last, and added my expectation that 'HE' would
probably have had to reduce it some more by then.
"OH NO, they aren't ever going to get any cheaper than this!"
We had to agree to disagree on that one, after all twenty five years in the
trade can't compete with the ignorance imparted by one or two sales
pep-talks.
Djimbo.
--
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date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 09:18:07 +0100
author: djimbo
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
djimbo wrote:
> "OH NO, they aren't ever going to get any cheaper than this!"
It probably won't, in Currys. They'll sell at that price and then
they'll get the new models in.
Geoff
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:50:08 +0100
author: Geoff Winkless
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
"Geo" wrote in message
news:679g635seki79h9tp98p9mbbllga0uqdiu@4ax.com...
>drove back home to email
> their customer services. The web site still says they are in-stock at this
> particular store...
>
>
> Geo
Yes... But they live electricals ;-)
I had a conversation a couple of weeks back with one of their sales monkeys.
I was trying to read all the spec on the label of a Tosh widescreen when I
was 'helpfully' interupted by one of the afforementioned.
He felt it his duty to tell me that 'HE' had just reduced its price and now
would be absolutely the best time to buy.
I explained my situation that I would be looking at a Sony or Tosh LCD as
soon as my old set coughs its last, and added my expectation that 'HE' would
probably have had to reduce it some more by then.
"OH NO, they aren't ever going to get any cheaper than this!"
We had to agree to disagree on that one, after all twenty five years in the
trade can't compete with the ignorance imparted by one or two sales
pep-talks.
Djimbo.
--
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date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 09:18:07 +0100
author: djimbo
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
djimbo wrote:
> "OH NO, they aren't ever going to get any cheaper than this!"
It probably won't, in Currys. They'll sell at that price and then
they'll get the new models in.
Geoff
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:50:08 +0100
author: Geoff Winkless
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
"Geo" wrote in message
news:679g635seki79h9tp98p9mbbllga0uqdiu@4ax.com...
>drove back home to email
> their customer services. The web site still says they are in-stock at this
> particular store...
>
>
> Geo
Yes... But they live electricals ;-)
I had a conversation a couple of weeks back with one of their sales monkeys.
I was trying to read all the spec on the label of a Tosh widescreen when I
was 'helpfully' interupted by one of the afforementioned.
He felt it his duty to tell me that 'HE' had just reduced its price and now
would be absolutely the best time to buy.
I explained my situation that I would be looking at a Sony or Tosh LCD as
soon as my old set coughs its last, and added my expectation that 'HE' would
probably have had to reduce it some more by then.
"OH NO, they aren't ever going to get any cheaper than this!"
We had to agree to disagree on that one, after all twenty five years in the
trade can't compete with the ignorance imparted by one or two sales
pep-talks.
Djimbo.
--
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date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 09:18:07 +0100
author: djimbo
|
Re: New Topfield model due yet?
djimbo wrote:
> "OH NO, they aren't ever going to get any cheaper than this!"
It probably won't, in Currys. They'll sell at that price and then
they'll get the new models in.
Geoff
date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:50:08 +0100
author: Geoff Winkless
|