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Virgin Media is to reshuffle its presence on Sky's electronic programme 
guide on Wednesday, February 20.

The shake-up will see Virgin 1 and its one-hour timeshift replace Bravo and 
Bravo+1 on channels 121 and 122, giving Virgin 1 a far more prominent spot 
on page two of the EPG compared to its current position at 153.

To accommodate the changes, Bravo will move to 123, Bravo+1 to 124 and 
Challenge will move to 125. Challenge+1 and Bravo 2 will take Virgin 1 and 
Virgin 1+1's old slots at 153 and 154.

On 31/01/2008 in message <fnshdj$om8$1@news.albasani.net> Salbi wrote:

>Virgin Media is to reshuffle its presence on Sky's electronic programme 
>guide on Wednesday, February 20.

How weird, who gives a toss about channel numbers?

-- 
Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK
If you ever find something you like buy a lifetime supply because they 
will stop making it

On 31 Jan 2008 15:05:10 GMT, "Jeff Gaines"
 wrote:

>On 31/01/2008 in message <fnshdj$om8$1@news.albasani.net> Salbi wrote:
>
>>Virgin Media is to reshuffle its presence on Sky's electronic programme 
>>guide on Wednesday, February 20.
>
>How weird, who gives a toss about channel numbers?

I do, as I use digiguide, and tv software to record on my computer

On 31/01/2008 in message  
Andrew Gill wrote:

>On 31 Jan 2008 15:05:10 GMT, "Jeff Gaines"
> wrote:
>
>>On 31/01/2008 in message <fnshdj$om8$1@news.albasani.net> Salbi wrote:
>>
>>>Virgin Media is to reshuffle its presence on Sky's electronic programme
>>>guide on Wednesday, February 20.
>>
>>How weird, who gives a toss about channel numbers?
>
>I do, as I use digiguide, and tv software to record on my computer

But presumably you can put channel 153 in as easily as 120???

-- 
Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK
All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand.

On 31 Jan 2008 20:14:33 GMT, "Jeff Gaines"
 wrote:

>On 31/01/2008 in message  
>Andrew Gill wrote:
>
>>On 31 Jan 2008 15:05:10 GMT, "Jeff Gaines"
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 31/01/2008 in message <fnshdj$om8$1@news.albasani.net> Salbi wrote:
>>>
>>>>Virgin Media is to reshuffle its presence on Sky's electronic programme
>>>>guide on Wednesday, February 20.
>>>
>>>How weird, who gives a toss about channel numbers?
>>
>>I do, as I use digiguide, and tv software to record on my computer
>
>But presumably you can put channel 153 in as easily as 120???

Yes I can, but I use a red eye on the sky box, and then tell digiguide
what I want to record..it sends the info to the tv software, which
turns the digibox over.

"Andrew Gill"  wrote in message 
news:qvf4q3l5mh52cl62jd9sj47uup07gmkeqs@4ax.com...
> On 31 Jan 2008 20:14:33 GMT, "Jeff Gaines"
>  wrote:
>
>>On 31/01/2008 in message 
>>Andrew Gill wrote:
>>
>>>On 31 Jan 2008 15:05:10 GMT, "Jeff Gaines"
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 31/01/2008 in message <fnshdj$om8$1@news.albasani.net> Salbi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Virgin Media is to reshuffle its presence on Sky's electronic programme
>>>>>guide on Wednesday, February 20.
>>>>
>>>>How weird, who gives a toss about channel numbers?
>>>
>>>I do, as I use digiguide, and tv software to record on my computer
>>
>>But presumably you can put channel 153 in as easily as 120???
>
> Yes I can, but I use a red eye on the sky box, and then tell digiguide
> what I want to record..it sends the info to the tv software, which
> turns the digibox over.

Position on the EPG can make the difference between 10,000 viewers and 
1,000,000 viewers. Look at ITV, easily 90% of its output is at best, equal 
to pretty much any of the minor digital channels, but its position on the 
epg (and inertia) means that it gets huge numbers.

If you ran an episode of say, a popular show, such as law and order, 
simultaneously on Hallmark and ITV, one will get four million viewers and 
the other will get fourteen thousand viewers.

Gaz

In article , Gaz  
writes
>Position on the EPG can make the difference between 10,000 viewers and 
>1,000,000 viewers. Look at ITV, easily 90% of its output is at best, 
>equal to pretty much any of the minor digital channels, but its 
>position on the epg (and inertia) means that it gets huge numbers.
>
There is a hint in Radio Times which states that all programmes on 
digital channels are repeats unless otherwise stated - which doesn't 
happen very often.  This is not so with the main five channels - they do 
have repeats, it is true, but not to such a high extent.  That, IMHO, is 
the reason.

>If you ran an episode of say, a popular show, such as law and order, 
>simultaneously on Hallmark and ITV, one will get four million viewers 
>and the other will get fourteen thousand viewers.
>
No one would believe they were both the latest episode.  Popular believe 
would be that the Hallmark one was an old episode.  Besides there are 
still a lot of viewers without Sky so the possible viewing figures could 
never be as high.

I consider looking at possible ITV figures is irrelevant to the possible 
impact of moving Virgin 1.
-- 
Peter Pratten
Please reply in group only

"Peter Pratten"  wrote in message 
news:oTAxK7A0AKpHFwKf@pratten.demon.co.uk...
> In article , Gaz  
> writes
>>Position on the EPG can make the difference between 10,000 viewers and 
>>1,000,000 viewers. Look at ITV, easily 90% of its output is at best, equal 
>>to pretty much any of the minor digital channels, but its position on the 
>>epg (and inertia) means that it gets huge numbers.
>>
> There is a hint in Radio Times which states that all programmes on digital 
> channels are repeats unless otherwise stated - which doesn't happen very 
> often.  This is not so with the main five channels - they do have repeats, 
> it is true, but not to such a high extent.  That, IMHO, is the reason.
>
>>If you ran an episode of say, a popular show, such as law and order, 
>>simultaneously on Hallmark and ITV, one will get four million viewers and 
>>the other will get fourteen thousand viewers.
>>
> No one would believe they were both the latest episode.  Popular believe 
> would be that the Hallmark one was an old episode.  Besides there are 
> still a lot of viewers without Sky so the possible viewing figures could 
> never be as high.
>
> I consider looking at possible ITV figures is irrelevant to the possible 
> impact of moving Virgin 1.
> -- 
> Peter Pratten
> Please reply in group only

While plenty of your points are valid, and maybe it was a poor example by 
myself, but you seriously underestimate the impact of marketing and 
positioning. Getting to the top of the list (or next to another important 
channel), makes a huge difference to viewing figures, most people dont even 
know whats on some channel at 194 never mind actively making the choice to 
view it.

Gaz

Gaz