I quote:

I did a job for a customer today (asian family) the remit was to move the 
sky box from lounge to kitchen and move a sky plus box from a bedroom to the 
newly converted garage The sky box was moved and connected , the customer 
commented that channel 783 and 784 were not there , software download I 
thought rechecked after and they were not on the planner, the red banner 
channel unavailable (or whatever it says) popped up for both channels the 
woman made a passing comment that before they had multi room installed and 
the sky Plus installed the channels suddenly appeared!

so sure enough once the sky plus boxed was installed the channels suddenly 
appeared on the sky box

Only thing I can equate it to is that the sky plus box is sending extra 
power to the LNB to help switch to whatever polarity is needed for the sky 
box????

Explain



Bill

"Bill Wright"  wrote in message 
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>I quote:
>
> I did a job for a customer today (asian family) the remit was to move the 
> sky box from lounge to kitchen and move a sky plus box from a bedroom to 
> the newly converted garage The sky box was moved and connected , the 
> customer commented that channel 783 and 784 were not there , software 
> download I thought rechecked after and they were not on the planner, the 
> red banner channel unavailable (or whatever it says) popped up for both 
> channels the woman made a passing comment that before they had multi room 
> installed and the sky Plus installed the channels suddenly appeared!
>
> so sure enough once the sky plus boxed was installed the channels suddenly 
> appeared on the sky box
>
> Only thing I can equate it to is that the sky plus box is sending extra 
> power to the LNB to help switch to whatever polarity is needed for the sky 
> box????
>
> Explain


I know the 4 outputs of a quad are not as isolated from each other as you
might think.
I used to repair digiboxes in a workshop situation, I had 2 minidishes
each fitted with a Philips quad lnb, and the 8 feeds came into the workshop.
If I connected a box up to an lnb that had one of its other feeds
already in operation, that picture would momentarily break up.
Also IIRC as long as one box had LNB power enabled, the other
three would work with LNB power switched off, but presumably
only one polarisation would have been available. Actually the 4
outputs might have worked like that in two pairs rather than across
all 4 IYSWIM its been some time since I was involved.

So it might be that the LNB was faulty, but the extra power
from the second box masked the symptoms.
-- 
Graham

%Profound_observation%

"Graham."  wrote in message 
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> I know the 4 outputs of a quad are not as isolated from each other as you
> might think.
> I used to repair digiboxes in a workshop situation, I had 2 minidishes
> each fitted with a Philips quad lnb, and the 8 feeds came into the 
> workshop.
> If I connected a box up to an lnb that had one of its other feeds
> already in operation, that picture would momentarily break up.
> Also IIRC as long as one box had LNB power enabled, the other
> three would work with LNB power switched off, but presumably
> only one polarisation would have been available. Actually the 4
> outputs might have worked like that in two pairs rather than across
> all 4 IYSWIM its been some time since I was involved.
>
> So it might be that the LNB was faulty, but the extra power
> from the second box masked the symptoms.
> -- 
> Graham

Cheers. I'll pass it on.

Bill

"Bill Wright"  wrote in message 
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>I quote:
>
> I did a job for a customer today (asian family) the remit was to move the 
> sky box from lounge to kitchen and move a sky plus box from a bedroom to 
> the newly converted garage The sky box was moved and connected , the 
> customer commented that channel 783 and 784 were not there , software 
> download I thought rechecked after and they were not on the planner, the 
> red banner channel unavailable (or whatever it says) popped up for both 
> channels the woman made a passing comment that before they had multi room 
> installed and the sky Plus installed the channels suddenly appeared!
>
> so sure enough once the sky plus boxed was installed the channels suddenly 
> appeared on the sky box
>
> Only thing I can equate it to is that the sky plus box is sending extra 
> power to the LNB to help switch to whatever polarity is needed for the sky 
> box????
>
> Explain
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
Why have you put "asian family" in brackets in your thread?  Does this have 
a bearing on anything?

diy-newby wrote:
> "Bill Wright"  wrote in message
> news:spCdnYp6KtbVwBjanZ2dnUVZ8vCdnZ2d@pipex.net...
>> I quote:
>>
>> I did a job for a customer today (asian family) the remit was to
>> move the sky box from lounge to kitchen and move a sky plus box from
>> a bedroom to the newly converted garage The sky box was moved and
>> connected , the customer commented that channel 783 and 784 were not
>> there , software download I thought rechecked after and they were
>> not on the planner, the red banner channel unavailable (or whatever
>> it says) popped up for both channels the woman made a passing
>> comment that before they had multi room installed and the sky Plus
>> installed the channels suddenly appeared! so sure enough once the sky 
>> plus boxed was installed the channels
>> suddenly appeared on the sky box
>>
>> Only thing I can equate it to is that the sky plus box is sending
>> extra power to the LNB to help switch to whatever polarity is needed
>> for the sky box????
>>
>> Explain
>>
>>
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
> Why have you put "asian family" in brackets in your thread?  Does
> this have a bearing on anything?

Maybe the reason they wanted asian channels?

"Adrian"  wrote in message 
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> diy-newby wrote:
>> "Bill Wright"  wrote in message
>> news:spCdnYp6KtbVwBjanZ2dnUVZ8vCdnZ2d@pipex.net...
>>> I quote:
>>>
>>> I did a job for a customer today (asian family) the remit was to
>>> move the sky box from lounge to kitchen and move a sky plus box from
>>> a bedroom to the newly converted garage The sky box was moved and
>>> connected , the customer commented that channel 783 and 784 were not
>>> there , software download I thought rechecked after and they were
>>> not on the planner, the red banner channel unavailable (or whatever
>>> it says) popped up for both channels the woman made a passing
>>> comment that before they had multi room installed and the sky Plus
>>> installed the channels suddenly appeared! so sure enough once the sky 
>>> plus boxed was installed the channels
>>> suddenly appeared on the sky box
>>>
>>> Only thing I can equate it to is that the sky plus box is sending
>>> extra power to the LNB to help switch to whatever polarity is needed
>>> for the sky box????
>>>
>>> Explain
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>> Why have you put "asian family" in brackets in your thread?  Does
>> this have a bearing on anything?
>
> Maybe the reason they wanted asian channels?
>
That explains it.  Didn't realise 783 / 784 were asian channels

"diy-newby"  wrote in message news:fm4tci$dso$1@aioe.org...
>
> Why have you put "asian family" in brackets in your thread?  Does this 
> have a bearing on anything?

Firstly I must say that I was quoting directly.

Secondly, the relevance was that the channels are ethnic ones that are only 
of interest to Asians, so the fault (if it is channel-specific) might not be 
well known.

Thirdly, I'll say just what I like in my emails. I'll decide what I want to 
put, not you. If I want to mention that the family are Asian, for no reason 
whatsoever that you can discern, then I will. If I want to mention that they 
keep a tortoise in the garden or play the flute in the cellar I'll mention 
that as well. How dare you presume to tell me what I can say on the grounds 
of your prodnosed politically correct attitudes? People like you remind me 
of George Orwell's thought police. Fuck off and mind your own damned 
business.

Bill

"diy-newby"  wrote in message news:fm502k$md1$1@aioe.org...
>>> Why have you put "asian family" in brackets in your thread?  Does
>>> this have a bearing on anything?
>>
>> Maybe the reason they wanted asian channels?
>>
> That explains it.  Didn't realise 783 / 784 were asian channels

Yes, well next time try to operate your brain before you allow your 
knee-jerk PC reactions to take over.

Bill

"Bill Wright"  wrote in message 
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>
> "diy-newby"  wrote in message news:fm4tci$dso$1@aioe.org...
>>
>
> Thirdly, I'll say just what I like in my emails. I'll decide what I want 
> to put, not you. If I want to mention that the family are Asian, for no 
> reason whatsoever that you can discern, then I will. If I want to mention 
> that they keep a tortoise in the garden or play the flute in the cellar 
> I'll mention that as well. Bill

I do hope they aren't keeping their tortoise outside at this time of year.
It should be in a box of straw in the garage !


(sorry I really couldn't resist that !)
cmwb.

On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 07:27:14 -0000, "cmwb" 
wrote:

>
>"Bill Wright"  wrote in message 
>news:P9ydncBZAI6qkxvanZ2dnUVZ8sylnZ2d@pipex.net...
>>
>> "diy-newby"  wrote in message news:fm4tci$dso$1@aioe.org...
>>>
>>
>> Thirdly, I'll say just what I like in my emails. I'll decide what I want 
>> to put, not you. If I want to mention that the family are Asian, for no 
>> reason whatsoever that you can discern, then I will. If I want to mention 
>> that they keep a tortoise in the garden or play the flute in the cellar 
>> I'll mention that as well. Bill
>
>I do hope they aren't keeping their tortoise outside at this time of year.
>It should be in a box of straw in the garage !
>

I'm not sure we can tolerate flautism in this group, either -
underground or not.


-- 

Ian D

"cmwb"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Bill Wright"  wrote in message 
> news:P9ydncBZAI6qkxvanZ2dnUVZ8sylnZ2d@pipex.net...
>>
>> "diy-newby"  wrote in message 
>> news:fm4tci$dso$1@aioe.org...
>>>
>>
>> Thirdly, I'll say just what I like in my emails. I'll decide what I want 
>> to put, not you. If I want to mention that the family are Asian, for no 
>> reason whatsoever that you can discern, then I will. If I want to mention 
>> that they keep a tortoise in the garden or play the flute in the cellar 
>> I'll mention that as well. Bill
>
> I do hope they aren't keeping their tortoise outside at this time of year.
> It should be in a box of straw in the garage !
>



Mine went to sleep in the shed in the winter of 1963 and never woke up.

-- 
Graham

%Profound_observation%

On Jan 11, 12:26 pm, "Graham."  wrote:
> "cmwb"  wrote in message

> > I do hope they aren't keeping their tortoise outside at this time of year.
> > It should be in a box of straw in the garage !
>
> Mine went to sleep in the shed in the winter of 1963 and never woke up.

I was born in the winter of 1963, so perhaps I'm the reincarnation of
your tortoise ?

Mark Carver wrote:
:: On Jan 11, 12:26 pm, "Graham."  wrote:
::: "cmwb"  wrote in message
::
:::: I do hope they aren't keeping their tortoise outside at this time
:::: of year. It should be in a box of straw in the garage !
:::
::: Mine went to sleep in the shed in the winter of 1963 and never woke
::: up.
::
:: I was born in the winter of 1963, so perhaps I'm the reincarnation of
:: your tortoise ?

Bit slow on the uptake wernt ya ;-)

-- 
daZza
mr.dazza@"BUT_PLUG"gmail.com
(remove "BUT_PLUG" to reply)
*www.thekellyhouse.co.uk*

>{daZza}< wrote:
> Mark Carver wrote:
> :: On Jan 11, 12:26 pm, "Graham."  wrote:
> ::: "cmwb"  wrote in message
> ::
> :::: I do hope they aren't keeping their tortoise outside at this time
> :::: of year. It should be in a box of straw in the garage !
> :::
> ::: Mine went to sleep in the shed in the winter of 1963 and never woke
> ::: up.
> ::
> :: I was born in the winter of 1963, so perhaps I'm the reincarnation of
> :: your tortoise ?
> 
> Bit slow on the uptake wernt ya ;-)
> 
Give him a break. It is still winter.
;-)

"Graham."  wrote in message 
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> Mine went to sleep in the shed in the winter of 1963 and never woke up.

Don't give up hope.

Bill

> Mine went to sleep in the shed in the winter of 1963 and never woke up.

same here!!

"soundmix"  wrote in message 
news:j6_hj.76049$c_1.12721@text.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
>> Mine went to sleep in the shed in the winter of 1963 and never woke up.
>
> same here!!

Well I bet your Dad didn't paint "Danger High Explosives Keep Out"
And a skull & crossbones...
...on the *shed* where do you think I meant?

-- 
Graham

%Profound_observation%

"Bill Wright"  wrote in message
news:spCdnYp6KtbVwBjanZ2dnUVZ8vCdnZ2d@pipex.net...
> I quote:
>
> I did a job for a customer today (asian family) the remit was to move the
> sky box from lounge to kitchen and move a sky plus box from a bedroom to
the
> newly converted garage The sky box was moved and connected , the customer
> commented that channel 783 and 784 were not there , software download I
> thought rechecked after and they were not on the planner, the red banner
> channel unavailable (or whatever it says) popped up for both channels the
> woman made a passing comment that before they had multi room installed and
> the sky Plus installed the channels suddenly appeared!
>
> so sure enough once the sky plus boxed was installed the channels suddenly
> appeared on the sky box
>
> Only thing I can equate it to is that the sky plus box is sending extra
> power to the LNB to help switch to whatever polarity is needed for the sky
> box????
>
> Explain
>
>
>
> Bill
>

Some kind of grounding issue? are alls Sky boxes double insulated?
Perhaps the unconnected feed from the LNB was picking up interference?

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:23:17 -0000, "CWatters"
 wrote:

>
>"Bill Wright"  wrote in message
>news:spCdnYp6KtbVwBjanZ2dnUVZ8vCdnZ2d@pipex.net...
>> I quote:
>>
>> I did a job for a customer today (asian family) the remit was to move the
>> sky box from lounge to kitchen and move a sky plus box from a bedroom to
>the
>> newly converted garage The sky box was moved and connected , the customer
>> commented that channel 783 and 784 were not there , software download I
>> thought rechecked after and they were not on the planner, the red banner
>> channel unavailable (or whatever it says) popped up for both channels the
>> woman made a passing comment that before they had multi room installed and
>> the sky Plus installed the channels suddenly appeared!
>>
>> so sure enough once the sky plus boxed was installed the channels suddenly
>> appeared on the sky box
>>
>> Only thing I can equate it to is that the sky plus box is sending extra
>> power to the LNB to help switch to whatever polarity is needed for the sky
>> box????
>>
>> Explain
>>
>
>Some kind of grounding issue? are alls Sky boxes double insulated?
>Perhaps the unconnected feed from the LNB was picking up interference?
>
Possibly the use of double insulation and the lack of a definite earth
on the low voltage side could allow some strange effects when you have
two DodgyBoxes and a stray earth somewhere ? The opportunity for
electricity taking "wrong" and possibly circuitous routes with
unearthed supplies is one of the reasons why telecommunications power
and public mains supplies are required to have one pole connected to
earth. A spare fag-packet (back of) and a pencil might be required.