Can anyone tell me why there are TWO scart sockets on the back of the box? I 
appreciate that the top one is to connect to a separate recording machine 
but why the bottom one when the TV uses an HDMI cable?

Would it output standard definition of HD channels, perhaps useful for 
someone whose HD set has not arrived?

DW

David Westerman wrote:
> Can anyone tell me why there are TWO scart sockets on the back of the
> box? I appreciate that the top one is to connect to a separate
> recording machine but why the bottom one when the TV uses an HDMI
> cable?
> Would it output standard definition of HD channels, perhaps useful for
> someone whose HD set has not arrived?
>
> DW

You've answered your own question.

In article , Adrian 
 writes
>David Westerman wrote:
>> Can anyone tell me why there are TWO scart sockets on the back of the
>> box? I appreciate that the top one is to connect to a separate
>> recording machine but why the bottom one when the TV uses an HDMI
>> cable?
>> Would it output standard definition of HD channels, perhaps useful for
>> someone whose HD set has not arrived?
>>
>> DW
>
>You've answered your own question.
>
>
Further more the VCR socket is really only suitable for:
a) recording to a VCR, not HDD or DVD, since it does not provide RGB;
b) relaying signals from another box (unspecified).
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On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 15:24:14 -0000, "David Westerman"
 wrote:

>Can anyone tell me why there are TWO scart sockets on the back of the box? I 
>appreciate that the top one is to connect to a separate recording machine 
>but why the bottom one when the TV uses an HDMI cable?
>
>Would it output standard definition of HD channels, perhaps useful for 
>someone whose HD set has not arrived?

One to your TV, one to your VCR/TiVo.  The SCART sockets output
standard def stuff but not everyone who has a HD box has a HDTV.
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"David Westerman"  wrote in message
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> Can anyone tell me why there are TWO scart sockets on the back of the box?
I
> appreciate that the top one is to connect to a separate recording machine
> but why the bottom one when the TV uses an HDMI cable?
>
> Would it output standard definition of HD channels, perhaps useful for
> someone whose HD set has not arrived?
>
> DW
>
>

Pass through?

"Peter Pratten"  wrote in message 
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> In article , Adrian 
>  writes
>>David Westerman wrote:
>>> Can anyone tell me why there are TWO scart sockets on the back of the
>>> box? I appreciate that the top one is to connect to a separate
>>> recording machine but why the bottom one when the TV uses an HDMI
>>> cable?
>>> Would it output standard definition of HD channels, perhaps useful for
>>> someone whose HD set has not arrived?
>>>
>>> DW
>>
>>You've answered your own question.
>>
>>
> Further more the VCR socket is really only suitable for:
> a) recording to a VCR, not HDD or DVD, since it does not provide RGB;
> b) relaying signals from another box (unspecified).
> -- 
> Peter Pratten
> Please reply in group only

Further furthermore HDMI does not support aspect ratio switching - which is 
important for SD viewing. Therefore I use HDMI for HD and SCART for SD

Malcolm H wrote:

> Further furthermore HDMI does not support aspect ratio switching - which is 
> important for SD viewing. Therefore I use HDMI for HD and SCART for SD 

As there are no 4:3 TV sets with an HDMI input, then WSS is not needed, as 
long as the originating device (D-Sat box, DVD player etc) presents 4:3 
material, as a pillarbox image within a 16:9 frame ?

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>
> Further furthermore HDMI does not support aspect ratio switching - which 
> is important for SD viewing. Therefore I use HDMI for HD and SCART for SD

Set the HD Resolution Output to Automatic for HDMI aspect ratio switching.

"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
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> Malcolm H wrote:
>
>> Further furthermore HDMI does not support aspect ratio switching - which 
>> is important for SD viewing. Therefore I use HDMI for HD and SCART for SD
>
> As there are no 4:3 TV sets with an HDMI input, then WSS is not needed, as 
> long as the originating device (D-Sat box, DVD player etc) presents 4:3 
> material, as a pillarbox image within a 16:9 frame ?
>
> -- 
> Mark

Virtually no 4:3 material is presented in a 16:9 frame therefore aspect 
ratio switching is essential for SD.

"remblancecouk"  wrote in message 
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> >
>> Further furthermore HDMI does not support aspect ratio switching - which 
>> is important for SD viewing. Therefore I use HDMI for HD and SCART for SD
>
> Set the HD Resolution Output to Automatic for HDMI aspect ratio switching.

This doesn't work with my Pioneer plasma.

"Malcolm H"  wrote in message 
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>
> "remblancecouk"  wrote in message 
> news:dq6dnXMrnrmlQR7aRVnyiQA@bt.com...
>> >
>>> Further furthermore HDMI does not support aspect ratio switching - which 
>>> is important for SD viewing. Therefore I use HDMI for HD and SCART for 
>>> SD
>>
>> Set the HD Resolution Output to Automatic for HDMI aspect ratio 
>> switching.
>
> This doesn't work with my Pioneer plasma.
>
Well it does for my Sony Bravia.

Malcolm H wrote:
> "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:5ui43mF1i52b1U1@mid.individual.net...
>> Malcolm H wrote:
>>
>>> Further furthermore HDMI does not support aspect ratio switching - which 
>>> is important for SD viewing. Therefore I use HDMI for HD and SCART for SD
>> As there are no 4:3 TV sets with an HDMI input, then WSS is not needed, as 
>> long as the originating device (D-Sat box, DVD player etc) presents 4:3 
>> material, as a pillarbox image within a 16:9 frame ?

> 
> Virtually no 4:3 material is presented in a 16:9 frame therefore aspect 
> ratio switching is essential for SD. 

I've just put a 4:3 DVD into my PS3. It forced the TV into 576p, and the image 
is being displayed as a 4:3 picture pillarboxed into 16:9. The connection is 
via HDMI.

The same DVD put into an SD DVD player, gives a 4:3 WSS from that player's 
scart connector.


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Malcolm H  wrote:

: Further furthermore HDMI does not support aspect ratio switching - which is 
: important for SD viewing. Therefore I use HDMI for HD and SCART for SD 

That is too sweeping a statement!. Most TVs support aspect-switching using
HDMI when used with a SkyHD STB....but *only* when the HDMI output is set
to "Automatic" (and not forced to 720p or 1080i)

"Brian McIlwrath"  wrote in message 
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> Malcolm H  wrote:
>
> : Further furthermore HDMI does not support aspect ratio switching - which 
> is
> : important for SD viewing. Therefore I use HDMI for HD and SCART for SD
>
> That is too sweeping a statement!. Most TVs support aspect-switching using
> HDMI when used with a SkyHD STB....but *only* when the HDMI output is set
> to "Automatic" (and not forced to 720p or 1080i)
>

This definitely does NOT work with my Pioneer PDP434HDE (which was modified 
by Pioneer to the laterst HDMI standard about 12 months ago - free of 
charge)

I have had numerous telephone and other communication with Pioneer tech 
support, and they insist that HDMI will not support aspect ratio switching. 
I have personally read the HDMI specification (about 30 pages!) and, 
although it is very difficult to understand, I formed the opinion that HDMI 
should support aspect switching.

I would be most interested to learn of any TVs have definitely been proved 
to switch aspect automically when fed via HDMI.

Malcolm H  wrote:

: I would be most interested to learn of any TVs have definitely been proved 
: to switch aspect automically when fed via HDMI. 

My previous Panasonic (TX32LXD500) (2005 vintage) and my current Sony 
(KDL40X2000) for two!

"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
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> Malcolm H wrote:
>> "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
>> news:5ui43mF1i52b1U1@mid.individual.net...
>>> Malcolm H wrote:
>>>
>>>> Further furthermore HDMI does not support aspect ratio switching - 
>>>> which is important for SD viewing. Therefore I use HDMI for HD and 
>>>> SCART for SD
>>> As there are no 4:3 TV sets with an HDMI input, then WSS is not needed, 
>>> as long as the originating device (D-Sat box, DVD player etc) presents 
>>> 4:3 material, as a pillarbox image within a 16:9 frame ?
>
>>
>> Virtually no 4:3 material is presented in a 16:9 frame therefore aspect 
>> ratio switching is essential for SD.
>
> I've just put a 4:3 DVD into my PS3. It forced the TV into 576p, and the 
> image is being displayed as a 4:3 picture pillarboxed into 16:9. The 
> connection is via HDMI.
>
> The same DVD put into an SD DVD player, gives a 4:3 WSS from that player's 
> scart connector.
>
>
> -- 
> Mark

Seems that the DVD did present the 4:3 material as 16:9 with side bars. This 
is not generally the case with broadcast SD material.

On 09/01/2008 in message <Ga0hj.27549$ov2.11653@newsfe5-win.ntli.net> 
Malcolm H wrote:

>I would be most interested to learn of any TVs have definitely been proved 
>to switch aspect automically when fed via HDMI.

My Panasonic Viera does.

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On Jan 9, 11:45 am, "Malcolm H"  wrote:
> "Mark Carver" <mark.car...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message

> > I've just put a 4:3 DVD into my PS3. It forced the TV into 576p, and the
> > image is being displayed as a 4:3 picture pillarboxed into 16:9. The
> > connection is via HDMI.
>
> > The same DVD put into an SD DVD player, gives a 4:3 WSS from that player's
> > scart connector.

> Seems that the DVD did present the 4:3 material as 16:9 with side bars. This
> is not generally the case with broadcast SD material.


I don't know whether the DVD player (a Sony PS3) is adding the side
bars to the 4:3 image, and sending that to the TV via HDMI, or the TV
(Sony Bravia KDL-40W3000) is responding to the widescreen signalling
that others in this thread have mentioned. I'll take a look at the set
up menus later.

Malcolm H wrote:
> "Brian McIlwrath"  wrote in message 
> news:fm114s$k3a$1@south.jnrs.ja.net...
>> Malcolm H  wrote:
>>
>> : Further furthermore HDMI does not support aspect ratio switching - which 
>> is
>> : important for SD viewing. Therefore I use HDMI for HD and SCART for SD
>>
>> That is too sweeping a statement!. Most TVs support aspect-switching using
>> HDMI when used with a SkyHD STB....but *only* when the HDMI output is set
>> to "Automatic" (and not forced to 720p or 1080i)
>>
> 
> This definitely does NOT work with my Pioneer PDP434HDE (which was modified 
> by Pioneer to the laterst HDMI standard about 12 months ago - free of 
> charge)
> 
> I have had numerous telephone and other communication with Pioneer tech 
> support, and they insist that HDMI will not support aspect ratio switching. 
> I have personally read the HDMI specification (about 30 pages!) and, 
> although it is very difficult to understand, I formed the opinion that HDMI 
> should support aspect switching.
> 
> I would be most interested to learn of any TVs have definitely been proved 
> to switch aspect automically when fed via HDMI. 
> 
> 
Well my Philips TV does. I only have an hdmi connection into it. Shows
4:3 automatically when required.

Ian Pawson wrote:
> Malcolm H wrote:
>> "Brian McIlwrath"  wrote in message
>> news:fm114s$k3a$1@south.jnrs.ja.net...
>>> Malcolm H  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Further furthermore HDMI does not support aspect ratio switching -
>>>> which is important for SD viewing. Therefore I use HDMI for HD and
>>>> SCART for SD
>>>
>>> That is too sweeping a statement!. Most TVs support
>>> aspect-switching using HDMI when used with a SkyHD STB....but
>>> *only* when the HDMI output is set to "Automatic" (and not forced
>>> to 720p or 1080i)
>>>
>>
>> This definitely does NOT work with my Pioneer PDP434HDE (which was
>> modified by Pioneer to the laterst HDMI standard about 12 months ago
>> - free of charge)
>>
>> I have had numerous telephone and other communication with Pioneer
>> tech support, and they insist that HDMI will not support aspect
>> ratio switching. I have personally read the HDMI specification
>> (about 30 pages!) and, although it is very difficult to understand,
>> I formed the opinion that HDMI should support aspect switching.
>>
>> I would be most interested to learn of any TVs have definitely been
>> proved to switch aspect automically when fed via HDMI.
>>
>>
> Well my Philips TV does. I only have an hdmi connection into it. Shows
> 4:3 automatically when required.

Maybe the only one that doesn't is the Pioneer PDP434HDE ;-)

On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 20:29:36 GMT, "Malcolm H" 
wrote:

>>> Further furthermore HDMI does not support aspect ratio switching - which 
>>> is important for SD viewing. Therefore I use HDMI for HD and SCART for SD
>>
>> Set the HD Resolution Output to Automatic for HDMI aspect ratio switching.
>
>This doesn't work with my Pioneer plasma. 

So you're saying that even though the SkyHD box does support aspect
ratio switching via HDMI, your TV doesn't?

Buy a less pikey TV.
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Mark Carver wrote:
> On Jan 9, 11:45 am, "Malcolm H"  wrote:
>> "Mark Carver" <mark.car...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> 
>>> I've just put a 4:3 DVD into my PS3. It forced the TV into 576p, and the
>>> image is being displayed as a 4:3 picture pillarboxed into 16:9. The
>>> connection is via HDMI.
>>> The same DVD put into an SD DVD player, gives a 4:3 WSS from that player's
>>> scart connector.
> 
>> Seems that the DVD did present the 4:3 material as 16:9 with side bars. This
>> is not generally the case with broadcast SD material.
> 
> 
> I don't know whether the DVD player (a Sony PS3) is adding the side
> bars to the 4:3 image, and sending that to the TV via HDMI, or the TV
> (Sony Bravia KDL-40W3000) is responding to the widescreen signalling
> that others in this thread have mentioned. I'll take a look at the set
> up menus later.

Me again. My Bravia seems to have 'Auto Format' on. I don't remember setting 
that ever, so perhaps that's the factory default on the HDMI input set up.

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"Ian Pawson"  wrote in message 
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> Malcolm H wrote:
>> "Brian McIlwrath"  wrote in message
>> news:fm114s$k3a$1@south.jnrs.ja.net...
>>> Malcolm H  wrote:
>>>
>>> : Further furthermore HDMI does not support aspect ratio switching - 
>>> which
>>> is
>>> : important for SD viewing. Therefore I use HDMI for HD and SCART for SD
>>>
>>> That is too sweeping a statement!. Most TVs support aspect-switching 
>>> using
>>> HDMI when used with a SkyHD STB....but *only* when the HDMI output is 
>>> set
>>> to "Automatic" (and not forced to 720p or 1080i)
>>>
>>
>> This definitely does NOT work with my Pioneer PDP434HDE (which was 
>> modified
>> by Pioneer to the laterst HDMI standard about 12 months ago - free of
>> charge)
>>
>> I have had numerous telephone and other communication with Pioneer tech
>> support, and they insist that HDMI will not support aspect ratio 
>> switching.
>> I have personally read the HDMI specification (about 30 pages!) and,
>> although it is very difficult to understand, I formed the opinion that 
>> HDMI
>> should support aspect switching.
>>
>> I would be most interested to learn of any TVs have definitely been 
>> proved
>> to switch aspect automically when fed via HDMI.
>>
>>
> Well my Philips TV does. I only have an hdmi connection into it. Shows
> 4:3 automatically when required.

Thank you gentlemen for all your inputs. After further discussion with 
Pioneer it appears that they are now only prepared to claim that aspect 
switching via HDMI works properly with their latest (Kuro) range of TVs

In <kyshj.38050$745.22633@newsfe1-win.ntli.net>, "Malcolm H"
 wrote:

>Thank you gentlemen for all your inputs. After further discussion with 
>Pioneer it appears that they are now only prepared to claim that aspect 
>switching via HDMI works properly with their latest (Kuro) range of TVs 

Sale of Goods Act, "unfit for purpose", then. Sorted.

"Malcolm H"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Ian Pawson"  wrote in message 
> news:fm30k6$qmt$1@registered.motzarella.org...

>> Well my Philips TV does. I only have an hdmi connection into it. 
>> Shows
>> 4:3 automatically when required.
>
> Thank you gentlemen for all your inputs. After further discussion with 
> Pioneer it appears that they are now only prepared to claim that 
> aspect switching via HDMI works properly with their latest (Kuro) 
> range of TVs

That will be because they have no old models to test and they will be 
too lazy to consult an old manual. IME Pioneer support is entirely 
useless and I think this is another example.

I haven't a Sky box to test but with a DVD player connected via HDMI 
only to a Pioneer TV two generations earlier than the Kuro it switches 
aspect ratio. A DVD of an old TV programme shows 4:3 and simply swapping 
to a modern DVD sets it back to widescreen again. Repeat add 
infinitum...   No buttons pressed apart from the Open/Close drawer on 
the player.
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