They tell you to look for uneven lettering on the edge. I have one here that 
has no lettering on the edge! There's just a diamond pattern, and that is 
very uneven. Also, the queen looks like a bloke!

Anyone else seen any dodgy attempts at forgery?

Bill

"Bill Wright"  wrote in message 
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> They tell you to look for uneven lettering on the edge. I have one here 
> that has no lettering on the edge! There's just a diamond pattern, and 
> that is very uneven. Also, the queen looks like a bloke!
>
> Anyone else seen any dodgy attempts at forgery?
>
> Bill
That's got to be worth more than a pound, Bill!

"Ian" <ian@spam&beans.com> wrote in message 
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>
> "Bill Wright"  wrote in message 
> news:A_adnbiLwb5NA0TVnZ2dnUVZ8qLinZ2d@pipex.net...
>> They tell you to look for uneven lettering on the edge. I have one here 
>> that has no lettering on the edge! There's just a diamond pattern, and 
>> that is very uneven. Also, the queen looks like a bloke!
>>
>> Anyone else seen any dodgy attempts at forgery?
>>
>> Bill
> That's got to be worth more than a pound, Bill!
>

That would be the Irish ones, apparently when taking into consideration the 
combined cost of materials, energy, labour, time and distribution involved 
in their manufacture, it's been estimated that they cost around £1.20p each 
to produce.

On 24/09/2008 02:58, Bill Wright wrote:

> They tell you to look for uneven lettering on the edge. I have one here that 
> has no lettering on the edge! There's just a diamond pattern, and that is 
> very uneven. Also, the queen looks like a bloke!

Bung it in a parking meter!

> Anyone else seen any dodgy attempts at forgery?

Not recently, despite the news that about 2% of those in circulation are 
supposed to be hooky.

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Bill Wright   wrote:

> They tell you to look for uneven lettering on the edge. I have one
> here that has no lettering on the edge! There's just a diamond
> pattern, and that is very uneven. Also, the queen looks like a bloke!
>
> Anyone else seen any dodgy attempts at forgery?
>
> Bill

When I first heard the story, I checked the three £1 coins which I had in my 
pocket - and *two* of them seemed to fit the 'fake' criteria! One had just a 
knurled edge with no lettering at all. On the other, the image on the back 
was rotated about 15 degrees relative to the Queen's head.

Anyway, I spent them in a bar with no questions asked!

It's been said that some won't work in machines which take coins - like 
parking meters. But presumably, as long as they weigh the same as proper 
ones there shouldn't be any problem with paying them into a bank amongst a 
bag of 20 £1 coins. I can't see bank clerks opening every bag to check! By 
the same token, fakes are likely to be re-issued to other customers by 
banks. Short of scrapping *all* £1 coins and coming up with a totally 
different design, I can't see what can be done about it. The cost to the 
treasury of withdrawing £1 coins and issuing new ones would probably be 
greater than putting up with 2% of fakes!
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...snip...>

The cost to the
> treasury of withdrawing £1 coins and issuing new ones would probably be 
> greater than putting up with 2% of fakes!
> -- 

As metal prices keep rising, the cost of raw materials will soon be more 
that £1.00, putting forgers out of business ;-).

Amusingly, the US didn't have "don't deface currency" laws until recently 
giving rise to a very lucrative "mining" venture which collected 1cent 
coins, melted down the older copper ones and bagged and returned the newer 
"coated steel" coins to the treasury for recirculation.

Even more amusingly, the US put in laws to stop this but only applied this 
to 1cent coins - so the "miners" moved onto the 5cent coin (the "nickel"). 
Cue more headless rushing around by the legislators.

In fact steel prices means that even the newer coins are close to being 
worth more as scrap than face value.  The 1cent has only one set of 
backers - "Americans for common cents <sic>", and they're bankrolled by the 
company that sells blanks to the treasury!

Paul DS.

"Paul D.Smith"  wrote in message 
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> ...snip...>
>
> The cost to the
>> treasury of withdrawing £1 coins and issuing new ones would probably be 
>> greater than putting up with 2% of fakes!
>> -- 
>
> As metal prices keep rising, the cost of raw materials will soon be more 
> that £1.00, putting forgers out of business ;-).
>
> Amusingly, the US didn't have "don't deface currency" laws until recently 
> giving rise to a very lucrative "mining" venture which collected 1cent 
> coins, melted down the older copper ones and bagged and returned the newer 
> "coated steel" coins to the treasury for recirculation.
>
> Even more amusingly, the US put in laws to stop this but only applied this 
> to 1cent coins - so the "miners" moved onto the 5cent coin (the "nickel"). 
> Cue more headless rushing around by the legislators.
>
> In fact steel prices means that even the newer coins are close to being 
> worth more as scrap than face value.  The 1cent has only one set of 
> backers - "Americans for common cents <sic>", and they're bankrolled by 
> the company that sells blanks to the treasury!
>


I think it's true to say that much of our old silver coinage (such as as the 
old florin) very quickly disappeared from circulation when it was realized 
that the silver content was worth far more than their face value.

>

>
> Anyway, I spent them in a bar with no questions asked!

Which, if true, would be a criminal offence i.e. passing on fake coin
of the realm!

John

rushing around by the legislators.
>
> In fact steel prices means that even the newer coins are close to being
> worth more as scrap than face value.  The 1cent has only one set of
> backers - "Americans for common cents <sic>", and they're bankrolled by the
> company that sells blanks to the treasury!

In Italy, there used to be coins of five and ten Lire which were worth
less than a penny at nominal/face value.  The metal content was worth
more.  Consequently, many/most of those coins in circulation
disappeared to Switzerland, so I have heard it say, where they were
melted down and used to make the backs of watches!

As a result, if you bought something that required, say, five Lire
change, shopkeepers would give customers a sweet, rather than a coin!
Unfortunately, they would not take them back as legal tender.

John

"Roger Mills"  wrote in message 
news:6judrdF559fcU1@mid.individual.net...
> different design, I can't see what can be done about it. The cost to the 
> treasury of withdrawing £1 coins and issuing new ones would probably be 
> greater than putting up with 2% of fakes!

It's very serious though, forgery. Since it's hard to detect the answer is 
severe penalties. Make examples of a few. Personally I'd bring back hard 
labour and flogging.

Bill

In message 
fef4559c-6374-477a-b315-55a08bcf8019@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com,
JOHN PORCELLA  Proclaimed from the tallest tower:

>> Anyway, I spent them in a bar with no questions asked!
>
> Which, if true, would be a criminal offence i.e. passing on fake coin
> of the realm!
>
> John

What would you do then, if you found a few 'dodgy' pound coins in your 
pocket? I must admit, I'd be tempted to try and pass them off, rather than 
losing several quid!

-- 
Regards,
Chris.
(Remove Elvis's shoes to email me)

...snip...

> It's very serious though, forgery. Since it's hard to detect the answer is 
> severe penalties. Make examples of a few. Personally I'd bring back hard 
> labour and flogging.

Perhaps a variant on the old witch and pond.  Fill their pockets full of 
their dodgy coins and...

Paul DS.

On 24 Sep, 14:33, "Bill Wright"  wrote:
> "Roger Mills"  wrote in message
>
> news:6judrdF559fcU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> > different design, I can't see what can be done about it. The cost to the
> > treasury of withdrawing £1 coins and issuing new ones would probably be
> > greater than putting up with 2% of fakes!
>
> It's very serious though, forgery. Since it's hard to detect the answer is
> severe penalties. Make examples of a few. Personally I'd bring back hard
> labour and flogging.
>
> Bill

Wasn't it hanging for forgery? Much more fun.

On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:52:03 +0100, "ChrisM"
 wrote:

>What would you do then, if you found a few 'dodgy' pound coins in your 
>pocket? I must admit, I'd be tempted to try and pass them off, rather than 
>losing several quid!

One a week at the supermarket trolly, when it's crowded!

Not that I'd do such a thing, I have a keyring tolken for the
trolley...

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
JOHN PORCELLA   wrote:

>> Anyway, I spent them in a bar with no questions asked!
>
> Which, if true, would be a criminal offence i.e. passing on fake coin
> of the realm!
>
> John

Well I'm not sure they *were* fake - they just seemed to fit the 
description. But I had forgotten about the whole thing by the time I spent 
them - it was pure co-incidence that I happened to spend these particular 
two!

If a bank unknowingly accepts fakes in a bag of £1 coins and re-issues the 
bag - complete with fakes - to another customer, is the bank guilty of 
criminal offence?
-- 
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Roger
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"Bill Wright"  wrote:

>They tell you to look for uneven lettering on the edge. I have one here that 
>has no lettering on the edge! There's just a diamond pattern, and that is 
>very uneven. Also, the queen looks like a bloke!
>
>Anyone else seen any dodgy attempts at forgery?

I've no idea how variable the side marking is supposed to be.  This from
my pocket just now:

http://i35.tinypic.com/2j7a1j.jpg

And I've also found the diamond pattern on a 2006 coin.  Dunno if that's
an accepted variation either.

-- 
Dave Farrance

In article ,
Roger Mills  wrote:

>When I first heard the story, I checked the three £1 coins which I had in my 
>pocket - and *two* of them seemed to fit the 'fake' criteria! One had just a 
>knurled edge with no lettering at all.

The 2004-2007 pound coins - which have pictures of bridges on them -
have no words on the edge, just a pattern of lines resembling the
Forth Bridge.

The 2008 coins have DECUS ET TUTAMEN.

-- Richard
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"Andy"  wrote in message 
news:5blkd4totnm775rgpfint2r8q31gbsuci1@ara.com...
> On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:52:03 +0100, "ChrisM"
>  wrote:
>
>>What would you do then, if you found a few 'dodgy' pound coins in your
>>pocket? I must admit, I'd be tempted to try and pass them off, rather than
>>losing several quid!
>
> One a week at the supermarket trolly, when it's crowded!

Except that you get the same pound back.

Unless you 'sell' the trolley to some kid for 50p.

-- 
Max Demian

ChrisM wrote:
> In message
> fef4559c-6374-477a-b315-55a08bcf8019@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com,
> JOHN PORCELLA  Proclaimed from the tallest tower:
>
>>> Anyway, I spent them in a bar with no questions asked!
>>
>> Which, if true, would be a criminal offence i.e. passing on fake coin
>> of the realm!
>>
>> John
>
> What would you do then, if you found a few 'dodgy' pound coins in your
> pocket? I must admit, I'd be tempted to try and pass them off, rather
> than losing several quid!

I think that's probably true of the majority, I've never knowingly passed on 
a forgery but then I seldom look that closely to notice.

"Dave Farrance"  wrote in message 
news:aiqkd45go7kfcel96cqcuek4ges55se8h0@4ax.com...
> "Bill Wright"  wrote:
>
>>They tell you to look for uneven lettering on the edge. I have one here 
>>that
>>has no lettering on the edge! There's just a diamond pattern, and that is
>>very uneven. Also, the queen looks like a bloke!
>>
>>Anyone else seen any dodgy attempts at forgery?
>
> I've no idea how variable the side marking is supposed to be.  This from
> my pocket just now:
>
> http://i35.tinypic.com/2j7a1j.jpg

Ohh your nails are clean! Are you unemployed? Anyway, those coins are fakes, 
but as a concession if you post them to me I'll send you a genuine 50p.

>
> And I've also found the diamond pattern on a 2006 coin.  Dunno if that's
> an accepted variation either.
I think it must be.

Bill

Bill Wright wrote:
> "Dave Farrance"  wrote in message 

>>
>> http://i35.tinypic.com/2j7a1j.jpg
> 
> Ohh your nails are clean! Are you unemployed? 

Perhaps Dave has 'Photoshoped' the grime under his nails away ?

-- 
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"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
news:6jvh5qF4rdquU1@mid.individual.net...
> Bill Wright wrote:
>> "Dave Farrance"  wrote in 
>> message
>
>>>
>>> http://i35.tinypic.com/2j7a1j.jpg
>>
>> Ohh your nails are clean! Are you unemployed?
>
> Perhaps Dave has 'Photoshoped' the grime under his nails away ?

Probably used someone else's hand. Like you do, given half a chance.

Bill

Bill Wright wrote:
> "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:6jvh5qF4rdquU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Bill Wright wrote:
>>> "Dave Farrance"  wrote in 
>>> message
>>>> http://i35.tinypic.com/2j7a1j.jpg
>>> Ohh your nails are clean! Are you unemployed?
>> Perhaps Dave has 'Photoshoped' the grime under his nails away ?
> 
> Probably used someone else's hand. Like you do, given half a chance.

...well that's right, it's often easier than cutting off the circulation in mine.

-- 
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"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
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> Bill Wright wrote:
>> "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
>> news:6jvh5qF4rdquU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> Bill Wright wrote:
>>>> "Dave Farrance"  wrote in 
>>>> message
>>>>> http://i35.tinypic.com/2j7a1j.jpg
>>>> Ohh your nails are clean! Are you unemployed?
>>> Perhaps Dave has 'Photoshoped' the grime under his nails away ?
>>
>> Probably used someone else's hand. Like you do, given half a chance.
>
> ...well that's right, it's often easier than cutting off the circulation 
> in mine.

I reckon that was Burke and Hare was all about.

Bill

In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Richard Tobin   wrote:

> In article ,
> Roger Mills  wrote:
>
>> When I first heard the story, I checked the three £1 coins which I
>> had in my pocket - and *two* of them seemed to fit the 'fake'
>> criteria! One had just a knurled edge with no lettering at all.
>
> The 2004-2007 pound coins - which have pictures of bridges on them -
> have no words on the edge, just a pattern of lines resembling the
> Forth Bridge.
>
> The 2008 coins have DECUS ET TUTAMEN.
>

Are there any genuine ones with nothing - no letters, no diamonds, etc. - 
round the edge other than the knurling?
-- 
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Roger
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In article ,
Roger Mills  wrote:
>Are there any genuine ones with nothing - no letters, no diamonds, etc. - 
>round the edge other than the knurling?

Not if the list in this article is to be believed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_one_pound_coin

-- Richard
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In an earlier contribution to this discussion,
Richard Tobin   wrote:

> In article ,
> Roger Mills  wrote:
>> Are there any genuine ones with nothing - no letters, no diamonds,
>> etc. - round the edge other than the knurling?
>
> Not if the list in this article is to be believed:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_one_pound_coin
>

An interesting article - thanks.
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Max Demian wrote:

>"Andy"  wrote in message 
>news:5blkd4totnm775rgpfint2r8q31gbsuci1@ara.com...
>> On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:52:03 +0100, "ChrisM"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>What would you do then, if you found a few 'dodgy' pound coins in your
>>>pocket? I must admit, I'd be tempted to try and pass them off, rather than
>>>losing several quid!
>>
>> One a week at the supermarket trolly, when it's crowded!
>
>Except that you get the same pound back.
>
>Unless you 'sell' the trolley to some kid for 50p.

What you do is offer the trolley to somebody in exchange for their
pound to save them the hassle of getting a trolley from the trolley
park.
-- 
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

In message OvGdndIpDOZY9kfVnZ2dnUVZ8qfinZ2d@brightview.com,
Adrian  Proclaimed from the tallest tower:

> ChrisM wrote:
>> In message
>> fef4559c-6374-477a-b315-55a08bcf8019@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com,
>> JOHN PORCELLA  Proclaimed from the tallest
>> tower:
>>>> Anyway, I spent them in a bar with no questions asked!
>>>
>>> Which, if true, would be a criminal offence i.e. passing on fake
>>> coin of the realm!
>>>
>>> John
>>
>> What would you do then, if you found a few 'dodgy' pound coins in
>> your pocket? I must admit, I'd be tempted to try and pass them off,
>> rather than losing several quid!
>
> I think that's probably true of the majority, I've never knowingly
> passed on a forgery but then I seldom look that closely to notice.

Then my question remains,
What would you do is you KNEW some of the pound coins were fake???  :-)

-- 
Regards,
Chris.
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In message aiqkd45go7kfcel96cqcuek4ges55se8h0@4ax.com,
Dave Farrance  Proclaimed from the 
tallest tower:

> "Bill Wright"  wrote:
>
>> They tell you to look for uneven lettering on the edge. I have one
>> here that has no lettering on the edge! There's just a diamond
>> pattern, and that is very uneven. Also, the queen looks like a bloke!
>>
>> Anyone else seen any dodgy attempts at forgery?
>
> I've no idea how variable the side marking is supposed to be.  This
> from my pocket just now:
>
> http://i35.tinypic.com/2j7a1j.jpg
>
> And I've also found the diamond pattern on a 2006 coin.  Dunno if
> that's an accepted variation either.

That's definitely a fake!!
Send it to me, and I'll dispose of it for you.  :-)

-- 
Regards,
Chris.
(Remove Elvis's shoes to email me)

"Richard Tobin"  wrote in message
news:gbeh3l$2ajb$1@pc-news.cogsci.ed.ac.uk...
> In article ,
> Roger Mills  wrote:
>>Are there any genuine ones with nothing - no letters, no diamonds, etc. -
>>round the edge other than the knurling?
>
> Not if the list in this article is to be believed:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_one_pound_coin
>
>
which links to:
http://www.wbcc.fsnet.co.uk/af-swa.htm

Right does anyone know of a bureau de change that has
Swaziland 1 Lilangeni coins ? ;-)

Steve Terry

"Steve Terry"  wrote in message 
news:gbip61$qbq$1@news.albasani.net...
> "Richard Tobin"  wrote in message
> news:gbeh3l$2ajb$1@pc-news.cogsci.ed.ac.uk...
>> In article ,
>> Roger Mills  wrote:
>>>Are there any genuine ones with nothing - no letters, no diamonds, etc. -
>>>round the edge other than the knurling?
>>
>> Not if the list in this article is to be believed:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_one_pound_coin
>>
>>
> which links to:
> http://www.wbcc.fsnet.co.uk/af-swa.htm
>
> Right does anyone know of a bureau de change that has
> Swaziland 1 Lilangeni coins ? ;-)

I've got one I was given in change. You can have it for £1.

-- 
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"Max Demian"  wrote in message
news:6k4kfuF62m9bU1@mid.individual.net...
> "Steve Terry"  wrote in message
> news:gbip61$qbq$1@news.albasani.net...
>> "Richard Tobin"  wrote in message
>> news:gbeh3l$2ajb$1@pc-news.cogsci.ed.ac.uk...
>>> In article ,
>>> Roger Mills  wrote:
>>>>Are there any genuine ones with nothing - no letters, no diamonds,
>>>>etc. -
>>>>round the edge other than the knurling?
>>>
>>> Not if the list in this article is to be believed:
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_one_pound_coin
>>>
>> which links to:
>> http://www.wbcc.fsnet.co.uk/af-swa.htm
>>
>> Right does anyone know of a bureau de change that has
>> Swaziland 1 Lilangeni coins ? ;-)
>
> I've got one I was given in change. You can have it for £1.
> Max Demian
>
EasyJet ought to lay on flights there, the excess baggage costs
back might be a bit of a sod? ;-)

Steve Terry

On Fri, 26 Sep 2008 09:57:20 +0100, Phil Cook 
wrote:

>>>>What would you do then, if you found a few 'dodgy' pound coins in your
>>>>pocket? I must admit, I'd be tempted to try and pass them off, rather than
>>>>losing several quid!

Do to somebody else as somebody else did to you.

>>> One a week at the supermarket trolly, when it's crowded!
>>
>>Except that you get the same pound back.
>>
>>Unless you 'sell' the trolley to some kid for 50p.
> 
> What you do is offer the trolley to somebody in exchange for their
> pound to save them the hassle of getting a trolley from the trolley
> park.

Having first checked that they are not offering you a fake coin of
course. That might give the game away though...

Bill Wright;441288 Wrote: 
> "Roger Mills" watt.tyler@googlemail.com wrote in message 
> news:6judrdF559fcU1@mid.individual.net...-
> different design, I can't see what can be done about it. The cost to
> the 
> treasury of withdrawing £1 coins and issuing new ones would probably
> be 
> greater than putting up with 2% of fakes!-
> 
> It's very serious though, forgery. Since it's hard to detect the answer
> is 
> severe penalties. Make examples of a few. Personally I'd bring back
> hard 
> labour and flogging.
> 
> Bill


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