It's a Samsung DVD-V6800 VCR-DVD combi, and it looked like a bargain
at 69ukp.
But its DVD player seems incapable of producing a normal interlaced
output at 50fps - instead it crudely deinterlaces everything to 25fps
progressive, and then sends a "film effect" signal to its SCART
outputs, with no movement between the pairs of interlaced fields.

Have any of you guys had this issue with DVD players before, and does
anyone know if it's actually possible to enable normal interlaced
50fps output?

I'm constantly amazed at just how bad all this DVD and DVB stuff
actually is, and it hasn't improved one bit in the last ten years or
so.

jamie_p84@excite.com wrote:
> It's a Samsung DVD-V6800 VCR-DVD combi, and it looked like a bargain
> at 69ukp.
> But its DVD player seems incapable of producing a normal interlaced
> output at 50fps - instead it crudely deinterlaces everything to 25fps
> progressive, and then sends a "film effect" signal to its SCART
> outputs, with no movement between the pairs of interlaced fields.
> 

I know you are connected by SCART but does fooling about with the 
component progressive / interlace settings on the DVD setup menu have 
any effect? Is your TV really reading the SCART input as RGB, or 
component over SCART?

Or, could this be a zooming / aspect ratio rescaling side effect? Or 
some flicker reduction attempt on the TV. What TV?

-- 
Adrian C

"Adrian C" <email@here.invalid> wrote in message 
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> jamie_p84@excite.com wrote:
>> It's a Samsung DVD-V6800 VCR-DVD combi, and it looked like a bargain
>> at 69ukp.
>> But its DVD player seems incapable of producing a normal interlaced
>> output at 50fps - instead it crudely deinterlaces everything to 25fps
>> progressive, and then sends a "film effect" signal to its SCART
>> outputs, with no movement between the pairs of interlaced fields.
>>
>
> I know you are connected by SCART but does fooling about with the 
> component progressive / interlace settings on the DVD setup menu have any 
> effect? Is your TV really reading the SCART input as RGB, or component 
> over SCART?
>
> Or, could this be a zooming / aspect ratio rescaling side effect? Or some 
> flicker reduction attempt on the TV. What TV?
>
> -- 
> Adrian C
>


most half decent discs will be progressive rather than interlaced too - who 
wants an interlaced transfer of a film?



-- 
Gareth.

that fly...... is your magic wand....

"Adrian C" <email@here.invalid> wrote in message 
news:6jpi1kF447vdU1@mid.individual.net...
> jamie_p84@excite.com wrote:
>> It's a Samsung DVD-V6800 VCR-DVD combi, and it looked like a bargain
>> at 69ukp.
>> But its DVD player seems incapable of producing a normal interlaced
>> output at 50fps - instead it crudely deinterlaces everything to 25fps
>> progressive, and then sends a "film effect" signal to its SCART
>> outputs, with no movement between the pairs of interlaced fields.
>>
>
> I know you are connected by SCART but does fooling about with the 
> component progressive / interlace settings on the DVD setup menu have any 
> effect? Is your TV really reading the SCART input as RGB, or component 
> over SCART?
>
> Or, could this be a zooming / aspect ratio rescaling side effect? Or some 
> flicker reduction attempt on the TV. What TV?
>
> -- 
> Adrian C
>


most half decent discs will be progressive rather than interlaced too - who 
wants an interlaced transfer of a film?



-- 
Gareth.

that fly...... is your magic wand....

On Sep 22, 1:40 pm, Adrian C <em...@here.invalid> wrote:
> jamie_...@excite.com wrote:
> > It's a Samsung DVD-V6800 VCR-DVD combi, and it looked like a bargain
> > at 69ukp.
> > But its DVD player seems incapable of producing a normal interlaced
> > output at 50fps - instead it crudely deinterlaces everything to 25fps
> > progressive, and then sends a "film effect" signal to its SCART
> > outputs, with no movement between the pairs of interlaced fields.
>
> I know you are connected by SCART but does fooling about with the
> component progressive / interlace settings on the DVD setup menu have
> any effect? Is your TV really reading the SCART input as RGB, or
> component over SCART?

> Or, could this be a zooming / aspect ratio rescaling side effect? Or
> some flicker reduction attempt on the TV. What TV?

I have switched between the three outputs modes on the player -
component interlaced, component progressive and scart-RGB.  None of
them had any effect on the SCART output. :(

The TV is just a standard 4:3 50Hz CRT, so it doesn't have any image
processing inside it.
The same effect is also present on the RF output from the player, too.

To answer "The dog from that film you saw's" point, my test DVD isn't
a movie disc - it's a video clip with scrolling text, which is
perfectly smooth on all my other players, and juddery and unreadable
on this Samsung(!).

This is rather unfortunate, as I've just advised a school to buy ten
of the things to replace all their worn out VCRs from the 90s - more
fool me, for automatically assuming that a DVD player could actually
*play DVDs* properly...

thanks,
jamie

wrote in message 
news:9a1ba72e-aa29-4cf3-a314-ce517d341bac@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> It's a Samsung DVD-V6800 VCR-DVD combi, and it looked like a bargain
> at 69ukp.
> But its DVD player seems incapable of producing a normal interlaced
> output at 50fps - instead it crudely deinterlaces everything to 25fps
> progressive, and then sends a "film effect" signal to its SCART
> outputs, with no movement between the pairs of interlaced fields.
>
> Have any of you guys had this issue with DVD players before, and does
> anyone know if it's actually possible to enable normal interlaced
> 50fps output?
>
> I'm constantly amazed at just how bad all this DVD and DVB stuff
> actually is, and it hasn't improved one bit in the last ten years or
> so.

Have you tried looking at the settings and seeing if there is one for 
interlaced mode or no processing?

wrote in message 
news:9a1ba72e-aa29-4cf3-a314-ce517d341bac@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> It's a Samsung DVD-V6800 VCR-DVD combi, and it looked like a bargain
> at 69ukp.
> But its DVD player seems incapable of producing a normal interlaced
> output at 50fps - instead it crudely deinterlaces everything to 25fps
> progressive, and then sends a "film effect" signal to its SCART
> outputs, with no movement between the pairs of interlaced fields.
>
> Have any of you guys had this issue with DVD players before, and does
> anyone know if it's actually possible to enable normal interlaced
> 50fps output?

What does the manual say about selecting progressive mode?

I have installed quite a few of these and have not noticed a problem.
I will try to remember to bring a stock one home and try it. I would
have thought it was in progressive mode. I will play with it and see.

On Sep 23, 8:15 pm, widgitt  wrote:
> I have installed quite a few of these and have not noticed a problem.
> I will try to remember to bring a stock one home and try it. I would
> have thought it was in progressive mode. I will play with it and see.

Try it with scolling text (eg. a recording from Sky News or similar)
and you'll find it's jerky.