This is a naive question.  If kind enough to reply, please understand 
that I have no technical knowledge about anything.

I have a freeview box (Topfield) in the sitting room.  The reception and 
picture quality are excellent.  It runs from an aerial which was put in 
for digital and is not the aerial I used previously for analogue.  I 
still use this older aerial for the bedroom tv which is just analogue.

The "digital" aerial has (I believe) no amplifier attached.

If I want to add freeview to the bedroom tv, I believe I can use an 
amplifier or splitter or gizmo to run the signal from the "digital" 
aerial to the bedroom in addition to the sitting room.  Is that so? 
More importantly, will it affect the signal quality, picture etc in the 
sitting room?

Many thanks.
-- 
Trevor Wright

On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 09:58:37 +0100, Trevor Wright
 wrote:

>I have a freeview box (Topfield) in the sitting room.  The reception and 
>picture quality are excellent.  It runs from an aerial which was put in 
>for digital and is not the aerial I used previously for analogue.  I 
>still use this older aerial for the bedroom tv which is just analogue.

Have you tried using the Toppy with the "analogue" aerial?
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In message , Andrew 
 writes
>On Sun, 7 Sep 2008 09:58:37 +0100, Trevor Wright
> wrote:
>
>>I have a freeview box (Topfield) in the sitting room.  The reception and
>>picture quality are excellent.  It runs from an aerial which was put in
>>for digital and is not the aerial I used previously for analogue.  I
>>still use this older aerial for the bedroom tv which is just analogue.
>
>Have you tried using the Toppy with the "analogue" aerial?

Oh yes, and its Pace predecessor.  Gets very few channels very badly.

-- 
Trevor Wright

Depends on where you are, how good the aerial(s) are and run lenghts etc.

Assuming a decent aerial and not to long a run then you should be able to 
loop through the first box to the second.

BTW there is no such thing as a "digital" aerial.
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"Trevor Wright"  wrote in message 
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> This is a naive question.  If kind enough to reply, please understand that 
> I have no technical knowledge about anything.
>
> I have a freeview box (Topfield) in the sitting room.  The reception and 
> picture quality are excellent.  It runs from an aerial which was put in 
> for digital and is not the aerial I used previously for analogue.  I still 
> use this older aerial for the bedroom tv which is just analogue.
>
> The "digital" aerial has (I believe) no amplifier attached.
>
> If I want to add freeview to the bedroom tv, I believe I can use an 
> amplifier or splitter or gizmo to run the signal from the "digital" aerial 
> to the bedroom in addition to the sitting room.  Is that so? More 
> importantly, will it affect the signal quality, picture etc in the sitting 
> room?
>
> Many thanks.
> -- 
> Trevor Wright

"Trevor Wright"  wrote in message 
news:zCT5YoB9e5wIFA8o@trevorwright.demon.co.uk...
> I have a freeview box (Topfield) in the sitting room.  The reception and 
> picture quality are excellent.  It runs from an aerial which was put in 
> for digital and is not the aerial I used previously for analogue.  I still 
> use this older aerial for the bedroom tv which is just analogue.
>
> The "digital" aerial has (I believe) no amplifier attached.
>
> If I want to add freeview to the bedroom tv, I believe I can use an 
> amplifier or splitter or gizmo to run the signal from the "digital" aerial 
> to the bedroom in addition to the sitting room.  Is that so? More 
> importantly, will it affect the signal quality, picture etc in the sitting 
> room?

If the cable layout would be convenient try running a cable from the aerial 
out socket on box 1 to box 2. Put the boxes in the order that gives the 
shortest/most convenient cable runs.

If it is more convenient to run two cables to the aerial use a small 
inductive splitter of the type with 'f' connectors, and CAI-approved cable. 
It's most unlikely that the signal loss caused by the splitter will matter, 
but if it does we will then discuss with you various methods of boosting the 
signal before the split.

Bill

I would try simply looping through the Toppy - that is, run a coax from the 
Toppy's RF out to the upstairs TV.

This arrangement works perfectly for me (though mine's a Humax).

Only if that doesn't work should you consider an amp with two outputs.

SteveT

Bill Wright wrote:
> "Trevor Wright"  wrote in message 
> news:zCT5YoB9e5wIFA8o@trevorwright.demon.co.uk...
>> I have a freeview box (Topfield) in the sitting room.  The reception and 
>> picture quality are excellent.  It runs from an aerial which was put in 
>> for digital and is not the aerial I used previously for analogue.  I still 
>> use this older aerial for the bedroom tv which is just analogue.
>>
>> The "digital" aerial has (I believe) no amplifier attached.
>>
>> If I want to add freeview to the bedroom tv, I believe I can use an 
>> amplifier or splitter or gizmo to run the signal from the "digital" aerial 
>> to the bedroom in addition to the sitting room.  Is that so? More 
>> importantly, will it affect the signal quality, picture etc in the sitting 
>> room?
> 
> If the cable layout would be convenient try running a cable from the aerial 
> out socket on box 1 to box 2. Put the boxes in the order that gives the 
> shortest/most convenient cable runs.
> 
> If it is more convenient to run two cables to the aerial use a small 
> inductive splitter of the type with 'f' connectors, and CAI-approved cable. 
> It's most unlikely that the signal loss caused by the splitter will matter, 
> but if it does we will then discuss with you various methods of boosting the 
> signal before the split.
> 
> Bill
> 
You can check whether the splitter will cause any problems before you 
install it by connecting it between the aerial and the Toppy. Make sure 
the unused output is terminated in 75 ohms, though.

Terry

In message <LqPwk.326515$ah4.222735@newsfe15.ams2>, Terry Casey 
<k.type@example.invalid> wrote
>Bill Wright wrote:
>>
>You can check whether the splitter will cause any problems before you 
>install it by connecting it between the aerial and the Toppy. Make sure 
>the unused output is terminated in 75 ohms, though.


Which can be achieved by connecting the 2 off Toppy inputs to the two 
outputs of the splitter (i.e. ditch the Toppy's short connecting cable 
during the test)
-- 
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In message , Steve Thackery 
 writes
>I would try simply looping through the Toppy - that is, run a coax from 
>the Toppy's RF out to the upstairs TV.
This would be to the freeview box upstairs?  (Rather than the tv 
itself?)
-- 
Trevor Wright

In message , Bill Wright 
 writes
>
>If the cable layout would be convenient try running a cable from the aerial
>out socket on box 1 to box 2. Put the boxes in the order that gives the
>shortest/most convenient cable runs.
Right, yes, I'll try this.  This allows you to watch different channels 
at the same time on the two boxes?  (I did explain that I have no 
technical knowledge).
-- 
Trevor Wright

Steve Thackery wrote:
> I would try simply looping through the Toppy - that is, run a coax from 
> the Toppy's RF out to the upstairs TV.

It would need to be from 'RF LOOP 2 OUT'. The 'RF OUT' socket only has the 
Toppy's own modulated output on it, added to whatever (if anything) is 
connected to the 'RF IN' socket. Or at least that's how my 2005 model is.


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In message , Trevor Wright 
 wrote

>This allows you to watch different channels at the same time on the two 
>boxes?

Yes,

The Tuner 2 output from your Toppy will contain the same information 
that originally came from the aerial.



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"Terry Casey" <k.type@example.invalid> wrote in message 
news:LqPwk.326515$ah4.222735@newsfe15.ams2...
> You can check whether the splitter will cause any problems before you 
> install it by connecting it between the aerial and the Toppy. Make sure 
> the unused output is terminated in 75 ohms, though.

We're assuming that the second downlead isn't unusually long.

Bill

In message , Alan 
 writes
>In message , Trevor Wright 
> wrote
>
>>This allows you to watch different channels at the same time on the 
>>two boxes?
>
>Yes,
>
>The Tuner 2 output from your Toppy will contain the same information 
>that originally came from the aerial.

I'm getting confused now.  The Toppy has RF loop 2.  This is currently 
connected to my dvd recorder.

It also has RF out which is not in use.

Which do I use?  If it's RF2, what happens to my dvd recorder?

(It is also connected with scart, of course).
-- 
Trevor Wright

Trevor Wright wrote:

> I'm getting confused now.  The Toppy has RF loop 2.  This is currently 
> connected to my dvd recorder.
> 
> It also has RF out which is not in use.
> 
> Which do I use?  If it's RF2, what happens to my dvd recorder?

Ah, you didn't mention you also had a DVD recorder ! I presume you also record 
Freeview and/or analogue TV with that too ?

It could all get rather messy, looks like a multiway splitter might be needed, 
  and then separately feed from it the two RF Loop In sockets on Toppy, 
(removing the need for that link cable) the DVD Recorder, your upstairs feed, 
and possibly the living room TV.

However, before all of that, perhaps it might be useful to give a complete 
listing of all present equipment.


-- 
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In message , Mark Carver 
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> writes
>Trevor Wright wrote:
>
>> I'm getting confused now.  The Toppy has RF loop 2.  This is 
>>currently connected to my dvd recorder.
>>  It also has RF out which is not in use.
>>  Which do I use?  If it's RF2, what happens to my dvd recorder?
>
>Ah, you didn't mention you also had a DVD recorder ! I presume you also 
>record Freeview and/or analogue TV with that too ?
>
>It could all get rather messy, looks like a multiway splitter might be 
>needed, and then separately feed from it the two RF Loop In sockets on 
>Toppy, (removing the need for that link cable) the DVD Recorder, your 
>upstairs feed, and possibly the living room TV.
>
>However, before all of that, perhaps it might be useful to give a 
>complete listing of all present equipment.
OK

I don't use analogue on the main TV at all.

The aerial is connected to the Topfield.  This is connected to the DVD 
recorder.  The DVD is connected to the TV.

The Topfield is also connected directly to the TV (via a scart).

Yes, the DVD records from the Topfield.  Mainly to archive PVR 
recordings.

Oddly, the Topfield "TV" scart connects to the DVD.  The Topfield "VCR" 
scart connects direct to the TV.  Aerial leads run between the RF2 out 
and the DVD; and the DVD and the TV.  A third scart runs between the DVD 
and the TV.

I don't know how I ended up with this set-up but it has worked 
impeccably for about three years and must have been originally arrived 
at with advice from this group or the Toppy web site forums.  It does 
seem odd that the two Toppy scarts are back-to-front, as it were??
-- 
Trevor Wright

Trevor Wright wrote:
> I don't use analogue on the main TV at all.

Do you watch Freeview on it directly though, does it have its own Freeview tuner ?


> The aerial is connected to the Topfield.  This is connected to the DVD 
> recorder.  The DVD is connected to the TV.
> 
> The Topfield is also connected directly to the TV (via a scart).
> 
> Yes, the DVD records from the Topfield.  Mainly to archive PVR recordings.

In that case the DVD requires no aerial input at all.

> Oddly, the Topfield "TV" scart connects to the DVD.  The Topfield "VCR" 
> scart connects direct to the TV. 

That's bad. The Topfield 'VCR' Scart does not output RGB, so you're getting an 
inferior composite PAL picture on your TV .

> Aerial leads run between the RF2 out 
> and the DVD; and the DVD and the TV.  A third scart runs between the DVD 
> and the TV.

My advice is for the following Scart connections :-

Toppy TV Scart >>>>>>>  DVD  Input Scart

DVD Output Scart >>>>>> TV's Input Scart

Then, with the DVD in Standby, your Toppy RGB output signal will pass straight 
through to the TV. If you wish to record from the Toppy to DVD, then you still 
can using exactly the same connections. You need to set RGB on from the 
Toppy's set up menu (AV Output Setting) its default is the inferior quality CVBS.

As far as RF connections go, (assuming that you are not using any tuner built 
into the TV or DVD) then the simplest arrangement is:-

Aerial into 'ANT 1' connector on Toppy, Loop cable from 'RF LOOP 1 OUT' to 
'ANT 2', and then feed the upstairs from 'RF LOOP 2 OUT'. Forget about 
connecting the DVD and TV up to any RF/aerial.

-- 
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In message , Mark Carver 
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> writes
>Trevor Wright wrote:
>> I don't use analogue on the main TV at all.
>
>Do you watch Freeview on it directly though, does it have its own 
>Freeview tuner ?
Both.  Sometimes I use the TV's own freeview, for example when the Toppy 
is recording tow channels.  I wouldn't want to lose this facility.
>
>> Oddly, the Topfield "TV" scart connects to the DVD.  The Topfield 
>>"VCR" scart connects direct to the TV.
>
>That's bad. The Topfield 'VCR' Scart does not output RGB, so you're 
>getting an inferior composite PAL picture on your TV .
Yes, I'm bewildered why it's like this but, as I say, somebody must have 
advised this.  And I should add that the picture is absolutely excellent 
and of equal quality to the TV tuner.
>
>My advice is for the following Scart connections :-
>
>Toppy TV Scart >>>>>>>  DVD  Input Scart
>
>DVD Output Scart >>>>>> TV's Input Scart
Yes, that's what I've already got, except that I also have a scart 
running between the Toppy (DVD output) and the TV.
>
>As far as RF connections go, (assuming that you are not using any tuner 
>built into the TV or DVD)
But sometimes I am - the TV tuner.( I don't use the DVD tuner - it has 
no digital tuner).
> then the simplest arrangement is:-
>
>Aerial into 'ANT 1' connector on Toppy, Loop cable from 'RF LOOP 1 OUT' 
>to 'ANT 2', and then feed the upstairs from 'RF LOOP 2 OUT'. Forget 
>about connecting the DVD and TV up to any RF/aerial.
So, if i still want to be able to use the TV tuner, I can't do this?

(Forgive my bewilderment).
>

-- 
Trevor Wright

Trevor Wright wrote:
>> Aerial into 'ANT 1' connector on Toppy, Loop cable from 'RF LOOP 1 
>> OUT' to 'ANT 2', and then feed the upstairs from 'RF LOOP 2 OUT'. 
>> Forget about connecting the DVD and TV up to any RF/aerial.
> So, if i still want to be able to use the TV tuner, I can't do this?

No, if you want to feed the TV as well, then you need some sort of splitter.

I suggest the Toppy then an onward feed from that to the upstairs on one 
output, and the downstairs TV on the other.

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"Trevor Wright"  wrote in message 
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> (Forgive my bewilderment).

It often happens, this.You have a simple little problem and ask the experts, 
and suddenly you are being improved and upgraded from top to bottom. Never 
mind, it'll be worth it.

Bill

"Bill Wright"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Trevor Wright"  wrote in message 
> news:e5DCWwJ51AxIFACH@trevorwright.demon.co.uk...
>> (Forgive my bewilderment).
>
> It often happens, this.You have a simple little problem and ask the 
> experts, and suddenly you are being improved and upgraded from top to 
> bottom. Never mind, it'll be worth it.
>
> Bill

Re-reading this, I see that it is a rather accurate and literal description 
of my latest visit to the doctor's.

Bill

In message , Bill Wright 
 writes
>It often happens, this.You have a simple little problem and ask the experts,
>and suddenly you are being improved and upgraded from top to bottom. Never
>mind, it'll be worth it.
Yes.

Of course, you're assuming that I wasn't bewildered before we started.
-- 
Trevor Wright

>>I would try simply looping through the Toppy - that is, run a coax from 
>>the Toppy's RF out to the upstairs TV.
> This would be to the freeview box upstairs?  (Rather than the tv itself?)

Sorry!  Yes, I meant to the *freeview box* upstairs.

Actually my second Freeview box (a DVD/HD recorder with digital and analogue 
tuners) sits right on top of the other Hummy, and it loops through that, 
too, to my BT Vision box.  I can record five Freeview programmes 
simultaneously!

Never needed to, of course, but the point is it all works just fine.

SteveT

Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Trevor Wright wrote:
> > 
> > Yes, the DVD records from the Topfield.  Mainly to archive PVR recordings.
> 
> In that case the DVD requires no aerial input at all.

If it's an analogue-only DVR (have we established that?) then it will
want to be able to set its time from BBC1 analogue Ceefax.

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In message 
<1imyo06.btkr9s1d9gfhgN%Spambox@pembers.freeserve.co.uk.invalid>, Alan 
Pemberton <Spambox@pembers.freeserve.co.uk.invalid> writes
>Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Trevor Wright wrote:
>> >
>> > Yes, the DVD records from the Topfield.  Mainly to archive PVR recordings.
>>
>> In that case the DVD requires no aerial input at all.
>
>If it's an analogue-only DVR (have we established that?)
Yes, it is.

>then it will
>want to be able to set its time from BBC1 analogue Ceefax.
Well, not really,  It's never used for timer recordings.
>

-- 
Trevor Wright

In message , Mark Carver 
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> writes
>Trevor Wright wrote:
>>> Aerial into 'ANT 1' connector on Toppy, Loop cable from 'RF LOOP 1 
>>>OUT' to 'ANT 2', and then feed the upstairs from 'RF LOOP 2 OUT'. 
>>>Forget about connecting the DVD and TV up to any RF/aerial.
>> So, if i still want to be able to use the TV tuner, I can't do this?
>
>No, if you want to feed the TV as well, then you need some sort of splitter.
>
>I suggest the Toppy then an onward feed from that to the upstairs on 
>one output, and the downstairs TV on the other.
>
OK, so where exactly do I put the splitter?  In the loop 2 output?

(Serious question, jokes obviously available).
-- 
Trevor Wright

Trevor Wright wrote:
> In message , Mark Carver 
> <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> writes
>> Trevor Wright wrote:
>>>> Aerial into 'ANT 1' connector on Toppy, Loop cable from 'RF LOOP 1 
>>>> OUT' to 'ANT 2', and then feed the upstairs from 'RF LOOP 2 OUT'. 
>>>> Forget about connecting the DVD and TV up to any RF/aerial.
>>> So, if i still want to be able to use the TV tuner, I can't do this?
>>
>> No, if you want to feed the TV as well, then you need some sort of 
>> splitter.
>>
>> I suggest the Toppy then an onward feed from that to the upstairs on 
>> one output, and the downstairs TV on the other.
>>
> OK, so where exactly do I put the splitter?  In the loop 2 output?

You could do, but I was thinking of this:-

                             >>>>>>>Toppy ANT 1:Loop 2>>>>>> upstairs
Rooftop aerial>>>>>> Splitter
                             >>>>>>>Downstairs TV

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