On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 02:09:43 +0100, "Bill Wright"
 wrote:

>
>"Steve Terry"  wrote in message 
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>> Had Mr Hilter and his friends succeeded in 1940 there would have been
>> strong rebellion against the loss of liberty and freedom.
>>
>> and that is what many fear now from those holding foreign religious 
>> beliefs,
>> that they also have no allegiance to personal liberty and freedom.
>
>What a tragedy that after our heroic national struggle to keep our way of 
>life and our principles intact we are now -- thanks to stupidly liberal 
>policies on immigration -- about to throw it all away. Those brave men and 
>women who gave their lives for our freedom must be turning in their graves. 
>We have let them -- and the massive numbers of civilian casualties -- down 
>in a shocking way. We are now about to enter a period of dark struggle, when 
>the anti-democratic forces of evil will attempt to take control of this 
>country.
>We must have been mad, literally mad, as a nation to have permitted such an 
>influx. It is like watching a nation busily engaged in heaping up its own 
>funeral pyre. As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding. Like the Roman, 
>I seem to see the River Tiber foaming with much blood.
>
Try these two articles.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article4615213.ece
 
and then

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/camilla_cavendish/article4669816.ece


-- 
brightside S9

"brightside S9" <address@replyto_is_not.invalid> wrote in message 
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> On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 02:09:43 +0100, "Bill Wright"
>  wrote:
>
>>What a tragedy that after our heroic national struggle to keep our way of
>>life and our principles intact we are now -- thanks to stupidly liberal
>>policies on immigration -- about to throw it all away. Those brave men and
>>women who gave their lives for our freedom must be turning in their 
>>graves.
>>We have let them -- and the massive numbers of civilian casualties -- down
>>in a shocking way. We are now about to enter a period of dark struggle, 
>>when
>>the anti-democratic forces of evil will attempt to take control of this
>>country.
>>We must have been mad, literally mad, as a nation to have permitted such 
>>an
>>influx. It is like watching a nation busily engaged in heaping up its own
>>funeral pyre. As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding. Like the 
>>Roman,
>>I seem to see the River Tiber foaming with much blood.
>>
> Try these two articles.
>
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article4615213.ece
>
> and then
>
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/camilla_cavendish/article4669816.ece
>
>


You seem to be ignoring the 'enrichment' 'diversity' and 'vibrancy' that a 
hugely increased size of the population of these small islands will bring.

I appreciate that large number of dinosaurs from previous generations don't 
want to see meadowland gobbled up by three new cities the size of London, 
however one has to put it into context and think positively, i.e. all of the 
extra 'consumers', jobs and taxation that will ultimately accrue.

Of course there is a school of thought among the more pessimistic that if 
say oil does go irretrievably into decline within the next 30 years, forcing 
the global economy into a state of near collapse, then where will the money 
come from for all of the Giro cheques that will be required to keep tens of 
millions of our population in the style to which they've become accustomed?

On that particular score my own strongly held belief is that the complete 
opposite of a breakdown in social cohesion would occur, instead I would 
suggest that the aforementioned 'diverse and vibrant communities' will 
become all embracing and a wartime spirit will prevail, this will enable us 
to all work towards a common goal, just as in the last war when millions of 
our population were perfectly prepared to queue for hours in all winds and 
weathers (clutching their ration books) for a few meager ounces of cheese or 
butter.

>
>>

"A. Bocialist"  wrote in message
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>
> "brightside S9" <address@replyto_is_not.invalid> wrote in message
> news:0br1c4p18nqdrpdpg1ehgqim07hu60e4sn@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 02:09:43 +0100, "Bill Wright"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>What a tragedy that after our heroic national struggle to keep our way of
>>>life and our principles intact we are now -- thanks to stupidly liberal
>>>policies on immigration -- about to throw it all away. Those brave men
>>>and
>>>women who gave their lives for our freedom must be turning in their
>>>graves.
>>>We have let them -- and the massive numbers of civilian casualties --
>>>down
>>>in a shocking way. We are now about to enter a period of dark struggle,
>>>when
>>>the anti-democratic forces of evil will attempt to take control of this
>>>country.
>>>We must have been mad, literally mad, as a nation to have permitted such
>>>an
>>>influx. It is like watching a nation busily engaged in heaping up its own
>>>funeral pyre. As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding. Like the
>>>Roman,
>>>I seem to see the River Tiber foaming with much blood.
>>>
>> Try these two articles.
>>
>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article4615213.ece
>>
>> and then
>>
>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/camilla_cavendish/article4669816.ece
>
> You seem to be ignoring the 'enrichment' 'diversity' and 'vibrancy' that a
> hugely increased size of the population of these small islands will bring.
>
> I appreciate that large number of dinosaurs from previous generations
> don't want to see meadowland gobbled up by three new cities the size of
> London, however one has to put it into context and think positively, i.e.
> all of the extra 'consumers', jobs and taxation that will ultimately
> accrue.
>
> Of course there is a school of thought among the more pessimistic that if
> say oil does go irretrievably into decline within the next 30 years,
> forcing the global economy into a state of near collapse, then where will
> the money come from for all of the Giro cheques that will be required to
> keep tens of millions of our population in the style to which they've
> become accustomed?
>
>
As far as i can see the only possible next recovery will be from the
unlimited cheap power of Fusion such as the French are working on
at ITER.

If that fails, then i think all we can look forward to is a slow painful
decline of the economy and society.

Steve Terry