Hi Folks
New to the group and hope this is the right place to ask?.
I am thinking of getting Freesat and wondered if the available
receivers can pick up the other channels from Astra 28.2 ?.
Cheers
Steve
Ps I have been told its 28.2 not sure if thats correct.

"Steve"  wrote in message 
news:4ac9dde9-844b-4a95-bdda-df1eac19bc0e@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> Hi Folks
> New to the group and hope this is the right place to ask?.
> I am thinking of getting Freesat and wondered if the available
> receivers can pick up the other channels from Astra 28.2 ?.
> Cheers
> Steve
> Ps I have been told its 28.2 not sure if thats correct.
>




only the humax one  - it has the option to switch between freesat and the 
ability to tune into any free channels.
normally a freesat box will only let you view the channels that have paid to 
be on their guide - not the other free ones.
and of course no freesat box at all can let you watch the pay channels ( 
just in case that was what you were hoping).



-- 
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that fly...... is your magic wand....

The dog from that film you saw wrote:

> only the humax one  - it has the option to switch between freesat and 
> the ability to tune into any free channels.

No, the Alba/Grundig/Bush/Goodmans models now have that facility too.

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Steve wrote:
> Hi Folks
> New to the group and hope this is the right place to ask?.
> I am thinking of getting Freesat and wondered if the available
> receivers can pick up the other channels from Astra 28.2 ?.
> Cheers
> Steve
> Ps I have been told its 28.2 not sure if thats correct.

Yes you can get all the FTA channels with manual tune.
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<uk.tech.digital-tv>
<Steve>
<Sun, 10 Aug 2008 05:35:54 -0700 (PDT)>


> New to the group and hope this is the right place to ask?.
> I am thinking of getting Freesat and wondered if the available
> receivers can pick up the other channels from Astra 28.2 ?.
> 

TMK freesat and sky use the same bunch of satellites .

But its a silly situation as sky freesat gives you loads of channels now 
while normal freesat is slowly adding them a couple at a time .

Mud is being thrown at sky for slowing things down - but skys argument 
is that it needs to be done this way so theres no technical glitches 
that could cause disruption .


-- 
www.skyepg.co.uk
(sky freesat channel listing)

So, in effect in the end, both Sky Freesat and Freesat will probably have 
the same channels, but the people who went with the sky package will have a 
box which they can use for subscription and the rest wont. So what is the 
position on high def boxes. Not having any Sky folk  around, will the 
situation be much the same as far as free to air is concerned.

Just wondering, if all this actually works, why the heck are we wasting our 
time with terrestrial transmitters?

Also how does one put on the audio description on the freesat no slot type 
boxes? Not seen that discussed, only that its possible.

Are they standard or is it a software dependent system. Also, is the channel 
seperatable via headphone output, something that Panasonic have been doing 
on their TVs which has gone down well with families with only one blind 
person in it!

Brian

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"Krustov"  wrote in message 
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> <uk.tech.digital-tv>
> <Steve>
> <Sun, 10 Aug 2008 05:35:54 -0700 (PDT)>
> 
>
>> New to the group and hope this is the right place to ask?.
>> I am thinking of getting Freesat and wondered if the available
>> receivers can pick up the other channels from Astra 28.2 ?.
>>
>
> TMK freesat and sky use the same bunch of satellites .
>
> But its a silly situation as sky freesat gives you loads of channels now
> while normal freesat is slowly adding them a couple at a time .
>
> Mud is being thrown at sky for slowing things down - but skys argument
> is that it needs to be done this way so theres no technical glitches
> that could cause disruption .
>
>
> -- 
> www.skyepg.co.uk
> (sky freesat channel listing)

Brian Gaff wrote:

> Also how does one put on the audio description on the freesat no slot type 
> boxes? Not seen that discussed, only that its possible.

On the Bush HD Freesat box, it's a single dedicated button on the remote 
control. I suspect the Bush (and clones) SD box is the same ?

> Also, is the channel 
> seperatable via headphone output,

No.


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In message , Mark Carver 
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote
>Brian Gaff wrote:
>
>> Also how does one put on the audio description on the freesat no slot 
>>type  boxes? Not seen that discussed, only that its possible.
>
>On the Bush HD Freesat box, it's a single dedicated button on the 
>remote control. I suspect the Bush (and clones) SD box is the same ?
>

On the Humax Foxsat a button on the remote brings up the option for 
Audio description.
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"Krustov"  wrote in message 
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> <uk.tech.digital-tv>
\
> TMK freesat and sky use the same bunch of satellites .
>
> But its a silly situation as sky freesat gives you loads of channels now
> while normal freesat is slowly adding them a couple at a time .
>
> Mud is being thrown at sky for slowing things down - but skys argument
> is that it needs to be done this way so theres no technical glitches
> that could cause disruption .



i thought it was the fact that freesat wants the channels to pay rather than 
anything to do with sky?



-- 
Gareth.

that fly...... is your magic wand....

The dog from that film you saw  wrote:

: i thought it was the fact that freesat wants the channels to pay rather than 
: anything to do with sky?

That's part of it!!!

HOWEVER some Freesat EPG data streams need to get added to each transponder 
through data adapter hubs that Sky run. Sky have a limit on new services
they will add each month (even for themselves!) to ensure stability - so 
Freesat has a limit to the rate that they can launch channels which are 
prepared to pay!

"Brian McIlwrath"  wrote in message 
news:g7nb8g$1f7$1@south.jnrs.ja.net...
> The dog from that film you saw  wrote:
>
> : i thought it was the fact that freesat wants the channels to pay rather 
> than
> : anything to do with sky?
>
> That's part of it!!!
>
> HOWEVER some Freesat EPG data streams need to get added to each 
> transponder
> through data adapter hubs that Sky run. Sky have a limit on new services
> they will add each month (even for themselves!) to ensure stability - so
> Freesat has a limit to the rate that they can launch channels which are
> prepared to pay!
>


i do wonder how many freesat boxes have been sold so far - if it's not that 
many it's a bit of a cheek for them to be asked to fork over 100 thousand 
( i think) to be included on an unproven service for a year.



-- 
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that fly...... is your magic wand....

"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:6g88jkFdfuc9U1@mid.individual.net
> The dog from that film you saw wrote:
>
>> only the humax one  - it has the option to switch between freesat 
>> and
>> the ability to tune into any free channels.
>
> No, the Alba/Grundig/Bush/Goodmans models now have that facility 
> too.


Have existing receivers had that ability added via a software update, 
or does it only apply to newer models in the shops?



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"The dog from that film you saw"  
wrote in
message news:6g8u51Fer3bhU1@mid.individual.net
> "Brian McIlwrath"  wrote in message
> news:g7nb8g$1f7$1@south.jnrs.ja.net...
>> The dog from that film you saw  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> i thought it was the fact that freesat wants the channels to pay 
>>> rather
>> than
>>> anything to do with sky?
>>
>> That's part of it!!!
>>
>> HOWEVER some Freesat EPG data streams need to get added to each
>> transponder
>> through data adapter hubs that Sky run. Sky have a limit on new 
>> services
>> they will add each month (even for themselves!) to ensure 
>> stability - so
>> Freesat has a limit to the rate that they can launch channels which 
>> are
>> prepared to pay!
>>
>
>
> i do wonder how many freesat boxes have been sold so far - if it's 
> not
> that many it's a bit of a cheek for them to be asked to fork over 
> 100
> thousand ( i think) to be included on an unproven service for a 
> year.


How long does £100,000 get you included on the Freesat EPG for? And 
where did you find out how much it costs?



-- 
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The adoption of DAB was the most incompetent technical
decision ever made in the history of UK broadcasting:
http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/dab/incompetent_adoption_of_dab.htm

DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
> "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:6g88jkFdfuc9U1@mid.individual.net
>> The dog from that film you saw wrote:
>>
>>> only the humax one  - it has the option to switch between freesat 
>>> and
>>> the ability to tune into any free channels.
>> No, the Alba/Grundig/Bush/Goodmans models now have that facility 
>> too.
> 
> 
> Have existing receivers had that ability added via a software update, 
> or does it only apply to newer models in the shops?

No, AIUI there's been an OTA software update.

"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:6gagndFevrhbU1@mid.individual.net
> DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
>> "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:6g88jkFdfuc9U1@mid.individual.net
>>> The dog from that film you saw wrote:
>>>
>>>> only the humax one  - it has the option to switch between freesat
>>>> and
>>>> the ability to tune into any free channels.
>>> No, the Alba/Grundig/Bush/Goodmans models now have that facility
>>> too.
>>
>>
>> Have existing receivers had that ability added via a software 
>> update,
>> or does it only apply to newer models in the shops?
>
> No, AIUI there's been an OTA software update.


Right. I should hope so too.



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The adoption of DAB was the most incompetent technical
decision ever made in the history of UK broadcasting:
http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/dab/incompetent_adoption_of_dab.htm

DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
> "The dog from that film you saw"  

>> i do wonder how many freesat boxes have been sold so far - if it's 
>> not
>> that many it's a bit of a cheek for them to be asked to fork over 
>> 100
>> thousand ( i think) to be included on an unproven service for a 
>> year.
> 
> 
> How long does £100,000 get you included on the Freesat EPG for? And 
> where did you find out how much it costs?

I don't think it's 100k is it ?

Sky seem to charge about 65k, and that's per year.

http://media.corporate-ir.net/media_files/irol/10/104016/presentations/BSkyB_SSSL_Published_PriceList.pdf

Couldn't find any such data on Freesat's website, just marketing fluff.

In message <JJTnk.31648$GP7.9724@newsfe23.ams2>, DAB sounds worse than 
FM <dab.is@dead.?.invalid> wrote
>"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>news:6g88jkFdfuc9U1@mid.individual.net
>> The dog from that film you saw wrote:
>>
>>> only the humax one  - it has the option to switch between freesat
>>> and
>>> the ability to tune into any free channels.
>>
>> No, the Alba/Grundig/Bush/Goodmans models now have that facility
>> too.
>
>
>Have existing receivers had that ability added via a software update,
>or does it only apply to newer models in the shops?
>

As far as I'm aware all Freesat box can be upgraded over the air. Unlike 
Freeview, when there is an update it is broadcast continuously so you 
cannot miss it.

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In message , Mark Carver 
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote
>DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
>> "The dog from that film you saw" 
>
>>> i do wonder how many freesat boxes have been sold so far - if it's 
>>>not
>>> that many it's a bit of a cheek for them to be asked to fork over 
>>>100
>>> thousand ( i think) to be included on an unproven service for a 
>>>year.
>>   How long does £100,000 get you included on the Freesat EPG for? And 
>>where did you find out how much it costs?
>
>I don't think it's 100k is it ?
>

The figures being quoted elsewhere are around 30k per year - or about 
the same cost as getting a 'personality' to present around an hour of 
TV.


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"Alan"  wrote in message 
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> In message <JJTnk.31648$GP7.9724@newsfe23.ams2>, DAB sounds worse than FM 
> <dab.is@dead.?.invalid> wrote
>>"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>news:6g88jkFdfuc9U1@mid.individual.net
>>> The dog from that film you saw wrote:
>>>
>>>> only the humax one  - it has the option to switch between freesat
>>>> and
>>>> the ability to tune into any free channels.
>>>
>>> No, the Alba/Grundig/Bush/Goodmans models now have that facility
>>> too.

I have to buy a batch of these tomorrow, and I don't know which make to get. 
I've only had experience of the Humax HD one, except for one Grundig SD 
which died.

Bill

In message , Bill Wright 
 wrote
>
>I have to buy a batch of these tomorrow, and I don't know which make to get.
>I've only had experience of the Humax HD one, except for one Grundig SD
>which died.
>
>Bill
>

There are only two brands for Freesat boxes - Humax and Alba and I don't 
believe Humax do a SD box.  There are other free to air boxes that are 
not Freesat branded.

I  believe all the Alba SD boxes are electronically/software identical 
with the only difference being the badge and perhaps the price. 
Similarly the Alba HD boxes are just re-badged identical units.

Alba = Bush, Grundig and Goodmans

For SD boxes go for the cheapest. For HD boxes either go for the Humax 
or the cheapest Alba product.

Bush, Goodmans and Grundig have the .pdf manuals on their (uk) web 
sites. All 3 SD manuals (links below) have the same date stamp printed 
in the documents and the time stamps differ by 15 minutes!

<http://www.bushdigital.co.uk/downloads/Bush%20BFSAT01SD%20IB_Rev1-140308
.pdf>

<http://www.goodmans.co.uk/content/ug/GFSAT100SD.pdf?language=en-GB>

<http://www.grundig.co.uk/content/ug/GUFSAT01SD.pdf?language=en-GB>

The Humax HD manual can be downloaded from
http://www.humaxdigital.com/freesat/support.asp
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